USMLE Official 2014 Step 2 CK Experiences and Scores Thread

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With all the changes going on, I think it is a good time to start a new thread and keep all the scores and experiences organized in one thread. Similar thread was really helpful for step 1, so I am hoping this one will be equally great and helpful to all.

Good luck to all the Step 2 CK'ers in 2014!
 
Yes hello, I'd like to share my exam experience on 07-28-2014. I'm not going to discuss my prep because I don't recommend studying while disenchanted, burnt out, in the middle of a major depressive episode. I'd also like to disclose that I'm a sub par test taker and an even poorer student with a step 1 of 200. But I worked my ass off for this exam and really gave it everything I had. I appreciate all the support you guys have given me and so I'd like to share my thoughts.

I had two blocks that made me feel clueless, three blocks that were okay, and three blocks that I thought were really easy. Ran very tight on time for two blocks--but ran short on time overall. I had time to review all my marked questions (50-60%); I'm an anxious marker. Had two blocks of 42 (three part study/drug ad), two blocks of 43 (two part study/drug ad), and four blocks of 44. I didn't find the length of the questions to be too different from UWorld--but it was harder to "think" through the questions. I recommend trusting yourself because I had a lot of anxiety on the gimme questions: "IT CAN'T BE THIS EASY. I'M MISSING SOMETHING."

What I remember in terms of tested information is obviously really biased. I actually was pretty good at retaining a LOT of everything I learned, and there weren't many questions I was totally stumped by. But it had weird test weird ways of testing things I didn't know. Sometimes, the appropriate next steps weren't in the answer stems. Other times, the first few obvious steps were done in the question. In diagnosing, there were a bunch of ambiguous and abnormal presentations. The breadth and depth of the questions often felt beyond UWorld. I thought there were a LOT of common sense questions. The questions that stumped me and threw me for a loop seemed to indicate that my clinical experiences had been lacking--because they were so straight forward! I recall there was a LOT more infectious disease on my exam than I expected. They weren't gimmes, but the psych/epi/ethics questions were quite straight forward..there wasn't much that wasn't on UWorld (I actually thought it was easier than some UWorld questions; I choked on the drug ads though). Oh, there were epi calculations. I had two auscultations. I actually had three histo/path questions, which I didn't anticipate/prepare for.

Pass, fail, or asian fail, I'll share my score and prep thing later..

That's all I have to say about that.

Yes hello, my score just came in.
Step 1: 200
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UWorld First Pass: 60%
UWorld Second Pass: averaged 80-85%, brought cumulative up to 66% and climbing
NBME 6 (@ 2.5 months to go): 204
NBME 3 (@ 2 months to go): 180
UWSA (@ 1 month to go): 247 (did it once before seven months ago before I burned out)
NBME 4 (@ 2 weeks to go): 212
FRED 150 (@ 2 days to go): 79%
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Step 2: 230

Read MTB2 twice before doing UWorld, did Uworld 1.7x, read some First Aid CK during Uworld. That's about it. It's um first percentile of scores on this board, but whatever--I worked my butt off and I know there are people who might benefit from this.

Thanks to anyone who gave me advice. Good luck!
 
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Yes hello, my score just came in.
Step 1: 200
--
NBME 6 (@ 2.5 months to go): 204
NBME 3 (@ 2 months to go): 180
UWSA (@ 1 month to go): 247 (did it once before seven months ago before I burned out)
NBME 4 (@ 2 weeks to go): 212
FRED 150 (@ 2 days to go): 79%
--
Step 2: 230

Read MTB2 twice before doing UWorld, did Uworld 1.7x, read some First Aid CK during Uworld. That's about it. It's um first percentile of scores on this board, but whatever--I worked my butt off and I know there are people who might benefit from this.

Thanks to anyone who gave me advice. Good luck!
Congrats on that huge improvement. My test is exactly two weeks from today and I wanted to ask what you did during the 2 weeks from NBME 4 and test day? Thanks!
 
Yes hello, my score just came in.
Step 1: 200
--
NBME 6 (@ 2.5 months to go): 204
NBME 3 (@ 2 months to go): 180
UWSA (@ 1 month to go): 247 (did it once before seven months ago before I burned out)
NBME 4 (@ 2 weeks to go): 212
FRED 150 (@ 2 days to go): 79%
--
Step 2: 230

Read MTB2 twice before doing UWorld, did Uworld 1.7x, read some First Aid CK during Uworld. That's about it. It's um first percentile of scores on this board, but whatever--I worked my butt off and I know there are people who might benefit from this.

Thanks to anyone who gave me advice. Good luck!

Nice! Great improvement.
 
86% free 150
244 NBME 4
246 NBME 7
259 UWSA
254 NBME6
Uworld 72% first run during m3 and 83 in 3 weeks before test second time around. I have done basically nothing else, scores 80-95 on shelves using uworld during rotations Carib IMG.
Test on 7-28-14.
Actual score:
255. as expected, NBME and UWSA are solid predictors.
 
Congrats on that huge improvement. My test is exactly two weeks from today and I wanted to ask what you did during the 2 weeks from NBME 4 and test day? Thanks!
I did blocks of incorrect/marked questions alternating with questions from sections I was weak in (OB, surgery, peds). And then...by the last week I was doing stream of consciousness. And by that, I mean I'd freak out thinking about one thing (ie spontaneous bacterial peritonitis) and I'd search for it in UWorld. I went through a LOT of questions and information that way, but I don't know if I'd actually recommend it. It dispelled my anxiety I guess.
 
Yes hello, my score just came in.
Step 1: 200
--
UWorld First Pass: 60%
UWorld Second Pass: averaged 80-85%, brought cumulative up to 66% and climbing
NBME 6 (@ 2.5 months to go): 204
NBME 3 (@ 2 months to go): 180
UWSA (@ 1 month to go): 247 (did it once before seven months ago before I burned out)
NBME 4 (@ 2 weeks to go): 212
FRED 150 (@ 2 days to go): 79%
--
Step 2: 230

Read MTB2 twice before doing UWorld, did Uworld 1.7x, read some First Aid CK during Uworld. That's about it. It's um first percentile of scores on this board, but whatever--I worked my butt off and I know there are people who might benefit from this.

Thanks to anyone who gave me advice. Good luck!

Thank you so much for sharing your experience. It's really helpful to see correlation of NBMEs/UWSA from the lower end of the spectrum. 250+ is a (probably not attainable) dream for me and I personally would be ecstatic with a 230+, coming from a low Step 1 as well. I hope I will get good news as well in 5 weeks! (even though I took the exam just a week after you, sigh)
 
Took CK on Thurs, 7/31 and have gotten no word of score. A friend took it the day prior and has his score in hand.

Maybe next Wednesday.

EDIT: or not...just read up on the 2014 score delay.
 
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Couldn't be happier...I genuinely was concerned that I might have failed. Scrolled down on the pdf just enough to see that I had passed and was super excited/relieved to see "PASS." Then I expected to be disappointed with the score as I kept scrolling, as I was with step 1, but literally could not believe my eyes when I saw it.

Step 1: 213
Step 2: 250!

I did not take any practice tests this time aorund. Just did uworld 1.5x in 3 weeks and occasionally glanced at MTB 2 and secrets when I wanted to look something up further.

For everyone out there who remembers seemingly every question they missed after they leave the exam, use my experience to calm your nerves. I thought of about 25-30 questions (mostly easy, stupid mistakes) within the first week after taking it.

Here's my post after the test:

That's exactly my problem with all of these exams. I try to get into the head of the test maker and end up screwing myself up when they were just asking me a basic question.

Took ck today (7/29)...

Man, what a long long test. I was planning on writing up a nice post with my experience but honestly my head is still spinning right now. Hopefully I can add more later, but right now here's my impression. 90% of the topics tested were things I either knew from my shelves or from these past couple weeks of uworld. However, I felt like the questions weren't worded in the best way. I was constantly struggling with putting the answer that followed the typical algorithm for that disease or if the presentation they gave me was different and I needed to adjust my reasoning. Most things were quite vague.

I marked about 10 questions per block and after looking up answers that I remember I think I was about 50/50 on guessing right or wrong.

For perspective: I finished all of my rotations and studied uworld and only uworld for about 2.5 weeks and that's it. I got anywhere from 75-84 on my shelf exams and felt like I had a decent foundation. Completely underachieved on step 1 with a 213 after averaging 230s on nbmes. Hopefully this time will be different. I'll post my results once I get them.
 
I took this beast on 7/28 and just now got around to write a review. Just like others have mentioned, this was a very difficult and long exam. I felt time pressure on every block and had 30 seconds to answer the last question on two separate blocks. Many many questions had 2+ correct answers. Idk how many health maintenance questions involved an obese/DM pt with HTN and next step management involving both weight loss and adding ACE-I as separate answer choices.

Studied for 3 weeks
Shelf exams: 80 (lowest peds, obgyn) to 90 (psych)
NBME6: 237 (baseline)
NBME4: 250 (2 weeks out)
UWSA: 252 (1 week out)
FREE150: 89% (3 days out)
UWORLD: 78%

The actual step felt a lot like UWSA. Very vague presentations and then second order answers given. Very few gimmes. Biostats wasn't bad at all, and the pharm ads/abstracts were easy as well. Oh yea, I also had about 4 questions on preventing medical errors.

Good luck guys and I'll post my final score when I receive it. After this exam I'm just hoping that I scored above a 240.

Final Score: 253
 
I found these posts helpful.

US MD student, average pre-clinical grades, good clinical grades.
Step 1 = 245 with 4 hard weeks of prep
Shelf exams 70's to 90 over third year with Pre-test books and World as prep

NBME 4 (baseline) = 220
3 weeks of study = USMLE World x1, carefully reading the explanations. My average went from 70 to 80 percent.
UWSA = 250 ish (1 week out)

Real CK = 265

I was blown away. I found the real test very challenging. I ran out of time of nearly every block, without time for the last two or three questions. The drug ads were very challenging. There were many vague presentations. I felt like a med school drop-out walking out of the test and for a few days afterwards.

I studied about 6 hours per day during my CK time. In retrospect, I wish I would have exercised more during my study time and had gotten a better night's sleep before the test. Good luck to all.
 
I have benefited very much from all the forums on SDN so I figured i'd share my usmle experiences.
Step I: 252
Step II practice exams: NBME 4 (2 months before): 244 NBME 7 ( 1 month before): 244 USMLE world sim exam ( 1 week before): 255
Sources: I kept my sources to a minimum with step 2. Started out with onlinemeded.org videos.....excellent place to start and highly recommended!
Master the boards step 2 ck: read 2-3 times, decent source. First aid step 2: read 1-2 times, decent source. USMLE world qbank 1 time through all random with 76%. I felt very prepared going into my exam from these sources. Looking back i would say to pick one main source and annotate everything from uworld into it.
Exam day: I felt terrible walking out of this exam. I was totally shocked and felt run over by the level of difficulty of this exam. I really felt like a may have dropped 10-20 points from my step I score. Longest 3 weeks of my life waiting for this score.

Actual USMLE step II score: 254. I was very pleased. I had a goal of 260+ before taking this exam and that went out the window after taking this exam! My advice to anyone or everyone who feels terrible about how their exam went before getting your score back is RELAX! If you put in the work and used uworld thoroughly you will be fine.
 
To add a data point:
Level 1: 667
Level 2: 585
Step 1: 249
Step 2: >265

Similar effort invested in both. I loathe OMM which cost me on both exams. I am hoping we are not red flagged as ACGME applicants for a level 2 drop.

Good luck!
 
That was a nerve racking 3 weeks...

USMLE 1- 212

Used MTB 2 and FA throughout the year. Studied for the USMLE 2 for 6 weeks using UWORLD questions (went through once), Kaplan questions (did about half of them, really hard questions though!), and DIT with Step up to Step 2 (best book for focusing on the boards in my opinion, but DIT was amazing and made the book even better. Worth every penny...).

UWSA (taken 2 months before I started studying)- 200
UW questions (once through started 3 weeks before my exam)- 63%
NBME 6 (one week before the real exam)- 233

Real USMLE 2- 227

Overall, I am not a good multiple choice test taker. As indicated by every MCAT, med school exam and board exam I have ever had the pleasure of taking... When I took the NBME 6, I finished thinking I didn't miss but a few questions, and actually got 85% correct on it. When I came out of the real exam, I was in shock because even though it wasn't that hard and it was a very open concept based exam, it was just so long and I had major timing issues (especially with the long medical trial questions, which I kept leaving to the end and then with little time left just clicked answers on). I was hoping for at least a 230, however I am actually really happy with my score. Its a 15 point improvement, and for someone that has struggled with tests in the past I feel very content with what I got. Good luck to the people taking it soon!
 
That was a nerve racking 3 weeks...

USMLE 1- 212

Used MTB 2 and FA throughout the year. Studied for the USMLE 2 for 6 weeks using UWORLD questions (went through once), Kaplan questions (did about half of them, really hard questions though!), and DIT with Step up to Step 2 (best book for focusing on the boards in my opinion, but DIT was amazing and made the book even better. Worth every penny...).

UWSA (taken 2 months before I started studying)- 200
UW questions (once through started 3 weeks before my exam)- 63%
NBME 6 (one week before the real exam)- 233

Real USMLE 2- 227

Overall, I am not a good multiple choice test taker. As indicated by every MCAT, med school exam and board exam I have ever had the pleasure of taking... When I took the NBME 6, I finished thinking I didn't miss but a few questions, and actually got 85% correct on it. When I came out of the real exam, I was in shock because even though it wasn't that hard and it was a very open concept based exam, it was just so long and I had major timing issues (especially with the long medical trial questions, which I kept leaving to the end and then with little time left just clicked answers on). I was hoping for at least a 230, however I am actually really happy with my score. Its a 15 point improvement, and for someone that has struggled with tests in the past I feel very content with what I got. Good luck to the people taking it soon!


Wow great work! Did you read Step up to step 2 on your own after completing DIT?

I find it a bit dense to go through as I only have a week till my test. I was planning on just hitting up Secrets since I need a good overview of all topics (don't really suck at one subject in particular) but I may consider that since its only like 300 pages that are easily skimmable.

Did you find NBME 6 to predict exam difficulty good enough?

I took my COMLEX this week and I feel like I am not going to get the score I am hoping for with the new score change. I did not take Step 1 but I am really leaning towards taking Step 2. I did about 90% of Uworld and got around a 54% on it throughout MS3.

To anyone that used secrets, with the new changes in USMLE guidelines etc. would a 3rd edition still suffice (2010 published) or should I just get the 4th edition? I know its a dumb question but I had bought 3rd edition early last year and tried highlighting it before my shelf exams.

Thanks again
 
I wanted to write to provide another example of how you can bounce back from an ugly Step I. After practice tests (NBMEs, UWSA 1-2, etc.) and other correlations predicted my score would be in the 235-245 range, something I was content with, I pulled out a whopping 208. I was devastated. I knew I had pulled the ultimate choke job, but that didn't stop the self-doubt and confidence collapse. I knew there would be nothing I could do to tell schools that it was just a fluke, just an anomaly. It now defined me. It closed doors before I could even knock. Nonetheless I picked myself back up and dove into third year, and that's the most important point in this. Third year is such that if you are invested in the patients you see and invested in studying, then it will more than prepare you for Step 2. I'm not sure any one resource can make up for a year in which you didn't invest in learning through experience.

Step I - 208
UWSA - 235 (baseline - 3.5 weeks out)
MTB3 x 2
SU2M - (read only weaknesses - Peds, OB)
UW - 75% second time through. (First time throughout clerkships. Only finished 60% of questions second time through.)
NBME 4 - 252 (1 week out)
Step 2 - 255

I felt pretty awful like the rest coming out, but I still trusted I did better than my Step I since I didn't even remember anything walking out of that one. I still regret the fact that I did not sleep a single hour the night before either test as it could have bought me a few more points, but I'm sure I'm not alone on that one. Again, the biggest piece of advice is to dominate third year clerkships.
 
I wanted to write to provide another example of how you can bounce back from an ugly Step I. After practice tests (NBMEs, UWSA 1-2, etc.) and other correlations predicted my score would be in the 235-245 range, something I was content with, I pulled out a whopping 208. I was devastated. I knew I had pulled the ultimate choke job, but that didn't stop the self-doubt and confidence collapse. I knew there would be nothing I could do to tell schools that it was just a fluke, just an anomaly. It now defined me. It closed doors before I could even knock. Nonetheless I picked myself back up and dove into third year, and that's the most important point in this. Third year is such that if you are invested in the patients you see and invested in studying, then it will more than prepare you for Step 2. I'm not sure any one resource can make up for a year in which you didn't invest in learning through experience.

Step I - 208
UWSA - 235 (baseline - 3.5 weeks out)
MTB3 x 2
SU2M - (read only weaknesses - Peds, OB)
UW - 75% second time through. (First time throughout clerkships. Only finished 60% of questions second time through.)
NBME 4 - 252 (1 week out)
Step 2 - 255

I felt pretty awful like the rest coming out, but I still trusted I did better than my Step I since I didn't even remember anything walking out of that one. I still regret the fact that I did not sleep a single hour the night before either test as it could have bought me a few more points, but I'm sure I'm not alone on that one. Again, the biggest piece of advice is to dominate third year clerkships.

Wow, I am really happy for you. Not sure if you remember, but we had a little tete-a-tete in the Step 1 thread last year. I knew I didn't simulate too well then so I was fairly disappointed when I saw my score, but I wasn't floored. I did feel really bad for you though since you were simulating so consistently 30+ points above. I'm sure you put in the hard work this year and it really paid off. Congratulations! You went from -1 SD to +1 SD on the two exams, and I'm sure it is very well deserved.

My own scores don't come out for another month - I don't think I could pull of a feat like yours, but I am really hoping for 240+. 10 points below your score will be perfectly fine. 🙂 Again, congrats!
 
Wow great work! Did you read Step up to step 2 on your own after completing DIT?

I find it a bit dense to go through as I only have a week till my test. I was planning on just hitting up Secrets since I need a good overview of all topics (don't really suck at one subject in particular) but I may consider that since its only like 300 pages that are easily skimmable.

Did you find NBME 6 to predict exam difficulty good enough?

I took my COMLEX this week and I feel like I am not going to get the score I am hoping for with the new score change. I did not take Step 1 but I am really leaning towards taking Step 2. I did about 90% of Uworld and got around a 54% on it throughout MS3.

To anyone that used secrets, with the new changes in USMLE guidelines etc. would a 3rd edition still suffice (2010 published) or should I just get the 4th edition? I know its a dumb question but I had bought 3rd edition early last year and tried highlighting it before my shelf exams.

Thanks again

The DIT videos actually go along with the SUS2 book, so as you watch the videos they skip around the chapters of the book and point out the high yield. Since you have a week til your test, it wouldn't be that beneficial going through the book yourself. I would just re-review the materials you have been using to study so far. I personally hated secrets. I thought it was boring and kind of common sense in many of its questions and answers. However, some people swear by it. It just may be that it is not conducive to my way of learning. As for the new USMLE guidelines, I am thinking that you are referring to DSM5 and JNC8...? I didn't run into any questions on my real exam that tested these new guidelines, and really there isn't all that much that has changed that they could test, so I wouldn't worry about it. If anything this would be 1 or 2 questions on the exam and not worth the effort in my opinion.

I felt like NBME 6 was way easy, though I didn't take any other NBMEs to compare it to. Apparently it was kind of a predictor of my score since I made 5 points less than it thought I would. It was similar in its question types as the real exam, and was really good practice. However, as I said before, I got 85% correct and still only got a 233 which is below the national average... It seems like the scoring is a little off somehow.
 
The DIT videos actually go along with the SUS2 book, so as you watch the videos they skip around the chapters of the book and point out the high yield. Since you have a week til your test, it wouldn't be that beneficial going through the book yourself. I would just re-review the materials you have been using to study so far. I personally hated secrets. I thought it was boring and kind of common sense in many of its questions and answers. However, some people swear by it. It just may be that it is not conducive to my way of learning. As for the new USMLE guidelines, I am thinking that you are referring to DSM5 and JNC8...? I didn't run into any questions on my real exam that tested these new guidelines, and really there isn't all that much that has changed that they could test, so I wouldn't worry about it. If anything this would be 1 or 2 questions on the exam and not worth the effort in my opinion.

I felt like NBME 6 was way easy, though I didn't take any other NBMEs to compare it to. Apparently it was kind of a predictor of my score since I made 5 points less than it thought I would. It was similar in its question types as the real exam, and was really good practice. However, as I said before, I got 85% correct and still only got a 233 which is below the national average... It seems like the scoring is a little off somehow.


Thanks for the tips. I actually did DIT as well in June but did not read the book on my own (just pieces of it throughout third year).

I agree with you that some parts of secrets are a little boring and common sense however. I might just skim through the Step up to step 2 book real quick.

Good to know that don't have to worry about the new guidelines for cholesterol and JNC 8 however. Congrats again on the great score!
 
Stalked this for a while before I wrote CK, so I'll share my experience (since it is fresh in my mind) and maybe it will help someone else. I had a 237 on Step 1 and my goal for Step 2 started off as a 260, and then dwindled to "please just let me score higher than Step 1" by the end of studying (I definitely hit a wall of burnout during my studying).

CK 7/27/14 Experience
Managed to answer all questions without running out of time on any block (came very close though). Time management was a huge issue on this test, and no source really prepares you for it. The number of questions in each block is different which adds to the difficulty. I had all of my short blocks in the beginning, and 44 on the last 4 blocks. I will second what many others have said: save the drug ads and abstracts for last, they are a time suck. All tests will be different, mine happened to be heavy on Epi, OB most commons, thyroid (seriously? 11 thyroid questions?) and cardiology. The test itself was tricky but doable, and felt most similar to UWSA in terms of question format. I finished with 23% of the questions flagged (things I wasn't 100% certain of), so if I assume all those were wrong I got a 77%. We will see what that translates to score wise. Overall, felt really good about the first half of my exam, got really psyched out by the back half because the questions were so much harder. Not really sure what to expect score wise, just hoping for >237.

Prep
Studied for a month and a half
Sources: UW, Kaplan High Yield videos (loved these btw, worth it) with MTB2, First Aid Step 2CK (highly recommend, I couldn't believe how many questions this yielded me on the actual exam), and Conrad Fisher's Pharmacology flash cards
UW: 67% first pass timed (78% average 2 weeks to exam)
Kaplan diagnostic (at beginning of study): 237, not sure how meaningful this score is
NBME's (I personally hated them. Not worth the money. A lot of outdated material and strange questions, not similar to the real thing)
Form 6 (1 month out): 227
Form 3 (3 weeks): 221 (WTF?! This one in particular was strange and left my self esteem crippled after I took it)
Form 4 (2 weeks): 231
UWSA (1 week out): 242

Last suggestion: Shell out the $ for materials are up to date. Don't use sources from 2009, it will screw you up on a lot of the management and preventative medicine questions since so many guidelines have recently changed. I started with the older Kaplan videos, and then switched to the High Yield because of this.

I'll check back in when I get my actual score. Good luck to everyone!

Got scores back yesterday. CK 251

I will now fervently state that the NBME's suck and are not only very different than the actual exam, they are way off in terms of predictive value. IMO.
 
Step 2 date 7/28
Step 1: 270
Step 2: 276
IMG baby!!!!!!!!!
Feel free to message, but I will be posting a link to my "Journey Blog" or whatever some time in the next few days. Attached is my blurred out score report, seeing as how many doubtful users I dealt with when I posted my Step 1 post haha
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Step 2 date 7/28
Step 1: 270
Step 2: 276
IMG baby!!!!!!!!!
Feel free to message, but I will be posting a link to my "Journey Blog" or whatever some time in the next few days. Attached is my blurred out score report, seeing as how many doubtful users I dealt with when I posted my Step 1 post haha
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People bash or doubt you or whatever on here because the only time you seem to post is when you show up to do smokey donuts in front of pit row after winning the race. You're never around on fan appreciation day signing autographs and getting your photo taken 7,000 times. You did awesome on your Step exams, congrats, link to your blog or whatever, get ready for someone to piss a little bit on your parade. Such is life.
 
People bash or doubt you or whatever on here because the only time you seem to post is when you show up to do smokey donuts in front of pit row after winning the race. You're never around on fan appreciation day signing autographs and getting your photo taken 7,000 times. You did awesome on your Step exams, congrats, link to your blog or whatever, get ready for someone to piss a little bit on your parade. Such is life.

Yeah I understand that, but most peoples post are inquires, and when I have one it's usually been answered if I just search a bit. But honestly so many SDN users that have posted step advice in the past have been so helpful, I just want to give some of that back. Not sure how I could make a "regular appearance" on here, not to mention I hate blogging too much to make it a habit. Anyways, my main motivation behind these "brags" is to let the IMG students know that there are no limits to what they can do. So many posts on these networks, even though they have merit, describe that IMGs have NO CHANCE at matching Derm, Rad Onc, Neurosurgery, etc......, and students read this first semester and from then on they learn enough first aid to get by and "settle for average".. THIS IS NOT SAYING PRIMARY CARE IS AVERAGE!!!! IM SAYING SETTLING FOR LESS THAN WHAT YOU WANT BECAUSE OF ANONYMOUS BLOG OPINIONS IS AN AVERAGE WAY TO LIVE YOUR LIFE!! I want to match Rad Onc, and if I am successful I would be the first from my University to do so. Some people would say take that as a hint, but I would come back by asking how many students have applied for it- the answer is practically ZERO. Ok I'm done ranting, I'll save it for my "blog". and yes PONS, I am sure the piss storm is on its way hahaha
 
Yeah I understand that, but most peoples post are inquires, and when I have one it's usually been answered if I just search a bit. But honestly so many SDN users that have posted step advice in the past have been so helpful, I just want to give some of that back. Not sure how I could make a "regular appearance" on here, not to mention I hate blogging too much to make it a habit. Anyways, my main motivation behind these "brags" is to let the IMG students know that there are no limits to what they can do. So many posts on these networks, even though they have merit, describe that IMGs have NO CHANCE at matching Derm, Rad Onc, Neurosurgery, etc......, and students read this first semester and from then on they learn enough first aid to get by and "settle for average".. THIS IS NOT SAYING PRIMARY CARE IS AVERAGE!!!! IM SAYING SETTLING FOR LESS THAN WHAT YOU WANT BECAUSE OF ANONYMOUS BLOG OPINIONS IS AN AVERAGE WAY TO LIVE YOUR LIFE!! I want to match Rad Onc, and if I am successful I would be the first from my University to do so. Some people would say take that as a hint, but I would come back by asking how many students have applied for it- the answer is practically ZERO. Ok I'm done ranting, I'll save it for my "blog". and yes PONS, I am sure the piss storm is on its way hahaha

Congrats! You are truly inspiring. I wrote step 1 last year and got a 250. I read your post on step 1 about a week before and did not doubt you for a minute, especially with all those questions you did (13000?) I've told many of my classmates about your score and said its possible!

Really glad to know your ck score, it would have been really tough to beat that step 1 score. Hope you get your program of choice.
 
Yeah I understand that, but most peoples post are inquires, and when I have one it's usually been answered if I just search a bit. But honestly so many SDN users that have posted step advice in the past have been so helpful, I just want to give some of that back. Not sure how I could make a "regular appearance" on here, not to mention I hate blogging too much to make it a habit. Anyways, my main motivation behind these "brags" is to let the IMG students know that there are no limits to what they can do. So many posts on these networks, even though they have merit, describe that IMGs have NO CHANCE at matching Derm, Rad Onc, Neurosurgery, etc......, and students read this first semester and from then on they learn enough first aid to get by and "settle for average".. THIS IS NOT SAYING PRIMARY CARE IS AVERAGE!!!! IM SAYING SETTLING FOR LESS THAN WHAT YOU WANT BECAUSE OF ANONYMOUS BLOG OPINIONS IS AN AVERAGE WAY TO LIVE YOUR LIFE!! I want to match Rad Onc, and if I am successful I would be the first from my University to do so. Some people would say take that as a hint, but I would come back by asking how many students have applied for it- the answer is practically ZERO. Ok I'm done ranting, I'll save it for my "blog". and yes PONS, I am sure the piss storm is on its way hahaha
Just for completeness sake, some of those specialties, plastics and NSG off the top of my head, had zero IMG matches last year. Great job, and good luck pursuing rad-onc, but it's hard for everyone to match into some things, even the 270/270 folks.
 
Another long-time lurker here looking to give back and thinking a lot before posting right after all this talk of 270s (270s?! - unreal).

Step 1: 226
UWorld: 70% (only got through about 75% of Qs)
NBME 4: 208 (1 month out to get a baseline)
NBME 6: 233 (4 days before exam)
Actual Step 2 CK: 240

Used DIT, step up to step 2, and UWorld.

Good luck!
 
Congrats! You are truly inspiring. I wrote step 1 last year and got a 250. I read your post on step 1 about a week before and did not doubt you for a minute, especially with all those questions you did (13000?) I've told many of my classmates about your score and said its possible!

Really glad to know your ck score, it would have been really tough to beat that step 1 score. Hope you get your program of choice.
The kind of reply represents the kind of posts I would hope to get from fellow students.
 
I have benefited very much from all the forums on SDN so I figured i'd share my usmle experiences.
Step I: 252
Step II practice exams: NBME 4 (2 months before): 244 NBME 7 ( 1 month before): 244 USMLE world sim exam ( 1 week before): 255
Sources: I kept my sources to a minimum with step 2. Started out with onlinemeded.org videos.....excellent place to start and highly recommended!
Master the boards step 2 ck: read 2-3 times, decent source. First aid step 2: read 1-2 times, decent source. USMLE world qbank 1 time through all random with 76%. I felt very prepared going into my exam from these sources. Looking back i would say to pick one main source and annotate everything from uworld into it.
Exam day: I felt terrible walking out of this exam. I was totally shocked and felt run over by the level of difficulty of this exam. I really felt like a may have dropped 10-20 points from my step I score. Longest 3 weeks of my life waiting for this score.

Actual USMLE step II score: 254. I was very pleased. I had a goal of 260+ before taking this exam and that went out the window after taking this exam! My advice to anyone or everyone who feels terrible about how their exam went before getting your score back is RELAX! If you put in the work and used uworld thoroughly you will be fine.

Very similar experience, wanted to add a reassurance data point.
Step 1: 255 (7 to 8 weeks of hard prep)
I had an arbitrary goal to do at least 10 points better, so had an initial goal of >265.
Studied for CK for 4 weeks, 6 to 8 hours/day, see my quote below; not as dedicated as Step 1 but felt sufficient and fulfilling throughout; I do feel like I studied my tail off and did my best in this time period. As with the poster above, I also did the onlinemeded.org videos for shelf exams and Step 2 CK. I feel like these videos are the Pathoma equivalent for Step 2, highly recommend.
Uworld cumulative: ~78% first pass, ~86% second pass
Step 2 CK NBME's: NMBE 7 252 (2.5 weeks out); NBME 3 236 (1.5 weeks out)(gggrrr); NBME 6 269 (1.0 week out); UWSA 262 (5 days out); NBME 4 258 (3 days out); free 150 ~92% (~1 week out). Obviously I had roller coaster performances, the scores following NBME 6 were obviously self-disappointing but I did read on this SDN thread that #6 was over-predictive. Odd for me though to have an over-predictive NMBE, I took all the NBME's for Step 1 and the clerkship shelf exams and these self-assessments never over-predicted - on most they under-predicted my eventual shelf score (usually ~2 points, under-predicted 2 points for Step 1 score); the worst case scenario ever with an NBME was it predicted my actual score on a shelf exam (as opposed to under-predictive).

Test day: see my quote below for how bummed I was. I still feel the same, never felt so bad after a test. Time was an issue, I had little to no time to review marked (I mark alot) -- I finished all sections with ~ 5 min (not adequate to review); for Step 1 I had ~15 to 20 min each block to review. I find it unfair that some people claim they had no abstracts or drugs ads, I had a bunch and these were huge time suckers. Drugs ads weren't bad in difficulty but the abstracts were hard.

After the test I felt terrible and terrified that my score dropped from Step 1; I scrapped my goal/hopes of a 265 and just wanted a score better than Step 1. This anxiety consumed me, I'm sure I would have developed an episode of depression if I didn't keep myself busy. I would inadvertently recall questions in my head and think I got them wrong (never looked anything up). I coped with reading these experience threads with how NBME 4 and UWSA were predictive; also coped by talking to fellow med students who felt as bad as I did. These coping strategies were effective - I've never been one to whine alot but whining, complaining, and expressing fear to my classmates was therapeutic - many of them felt the same way. Seriously, Step 2 CK was a whole different beast compared to my Step 1 (in terms of how I felt). I did not feel like I had any deficits in knowledge from Uworld, the NBME self assessments, and other sources; was very confident in my medical knowledge for Step 2. ~40 to 60% test question were nothing like any of the practice material were nothing like Uworld/NBME's. As I say in my quote below, these questions were either presented in a very weird way or had >1 seemingly correct answer choice. The remaining questions were fact recall gimmes if you knew them, but that's a small percentage of gimme questions compared to the NBME's and my Step 1 experience.

Actual Step 2 CK: 259

Freaking elated, seriously not disappointed that I didn't meet my initial 265 goal at all. Kudos to people making the >265's, I seriously don't know how y'all consistently handled those wishy washy questions. As I said before, I feel like I maxed out my medical knowledge for the exam but felt blindsided in terms of difficulty.

Anyways, I just wanted to share this mainly for how I felt like utter crap but ultimately did ok. Also, the data points of NBME 4/UWSA and also the over-predictiveness of NBME 6.

Took it today.

What a hard, long test. Very difficult to choose between 2 or 3 answer choices. There were a few obscure concepts/things not in review sources, but for the most part you knew what was going on, just asked or presented in a very weird way or with >1 seemingly correct answer choice. Much fewer gimmes compared to NBME practice tests and UWSA. I felt fine coming out of Step 1, not super-confident, but not bad either. I felt terrible walking out of Step 2 - never felt so bad after a shelf or test.

Did Uworld 2 times (3 times total - once during MS3), ~85% of USMLE Rx, some MTB, some Secrets, and DIT in about a 4 week period. I thought all the sources were good, but Step 2 was just a tough, tough test. Don't think I would have gotten much more out of those sources studying any longer.

I guess everyone took the same test, we'll see. Just sincerely hope I don't make a lower score on it than Step 1 (decent score); NBME 4 and UWSA were a few points above my Step 1 score. Life will move on either way, just going to be very nervous until the score comes out.
 
The kind of reply represents the kind of posts I would hope to get from fellow students.
How many times have you replied like that to your fellow students reports of getting good scores? It's a rhetorical question, just saying.

If you need affirmation, get a dog. If you need advice, come to SDN. And maybe a little affirmation.
 
What was your uworld average after your reset?

Forgot to include that but when I went through Uworld the first time (during rotations) my average was around 75% (not exactly sure if this is right but this is what I remember). After I reset and went through Uworld during the last 3-4 weeks my average was 82%. At the end I was probably averaging 85-88% on blocks.
 
Well, mine evidently didn't go so hot.

Step 1: 244
Step 2: 237

Oh well, neither score is particularly bad. But I wish I had done a lot better on step 2 than I did. I guess if I had to choose one test to do well on, it'd be Step 1. That said, I hear it's frowned upon to do worse on Step 2 🙁
 
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Makes sense. I plan to do UW with each rotation from here on out (I started in Family, no questions in UW for that) and then do a second pass in ~4 weeks when I have dedicated study time. Is 2x through too much?

I did better than my goal for Step 1(258) so I'm also trying to figure out when I should take it. I've heard taking it early is better for those who didn't do so hot on Step 1 and need to do better on Step 2 to prove they are worthy for some interviews. Conversely, I've heard taking it later toward the fall is what most do who hit their goal on Step 1. Does it matter when you take it? And how long should I study? Of course I want to do better than I did on Step 1, so is ~4 weeks a good time frame for dedicated study?

For FM rotations I just did a combination of peds, OB, and IM questions which was good enough. That's exactly how I studied with 2nd pass in 4 weeks and no other study materials. I went up by about 10 percentile points from step 1. I think a lot of people only dedicate about 2 weeks or so and assume it's easy. Which overall it is easier but it shouldn't be blown off either. It's probably tougher for those with high step 1 scores because you want to come close or do better and the tests are pretty different. I'm a DO so for me I feel like it's ideal to have it done along with a passing PE to show that I'm less of a risk to the program. For a US MD grad with a 258 step 1 you could wait without any issues most likely.
 
Well, mine evidently didn't go so hot.

Step 1: 244
Step 2: 237

Oh well, neither score is particularly bad. But I wish I had done a lot better on step 2 than I did. I guess if I had to choose one test to do well on, it'd be Step 1. That said, I hear it's frowned upon to do worse on Step 2 🙁
I don't think a 7 point drop is considered worse. Almost within the margin of error (not sure what that is exactly)
 
What do you guys think is considered a "great improvement" in Step 1 to Step 2 scores? I was hoping to show quite a bit of difference from one score to the other and ended up having a 25 point improvement on Step 2 CK. However, the more I read these posts the more it seems that a lot of people do a lot better on CK. Do you think a 25 point improvement will stand out, or is it just kind of "meh"?
 
What do you guys think is considered a "great improvement" in Step 1 to Step 2 scores? I was hoping to show quite a bit of difference from one score to the other and ended up having a 25 point improvement on Step 2 CK. However, the more I read these posts the more it seems that a lot of people do a lot better on CK. Do you think a 25 point improvement will stand out, or is it just kind of "meh"?
An IM PD I just spoke with last week said they look for a 20 point improvement on Step 2. I told him I was unlikely to do that as I was ~250 on Step 1 and he said "Oh well, you obviously don't need a 20 point improvement." I would say it is a concern if you did not improve; and the lower your Step 1 the more they hope to see on Step 2. All of this is common sense. Programs obviously prefer applicants trending in the right direction.
 
Generally people's Step 2 CK score is always higher than their Step 1 score if their knowledge/studying remains equal. I believe this is because Step 2 CK has 1 extra block so more points on the exam, hence the higher CK average. The difference in Step 1/2 national averages is about 10. So if you beat your Step 1 by 10 it's safe to say you stayed the same. Anything above +10 over your Step 1 score is an improvement. These are just my random thoughts/observations. 😛
 
Generally people's Step 2 CK score is always higher than their Step 1 score if their knowledge/studying remains equal. I believe this is because Step 2 CK has 1 extra block so more points on the exam, hence the higher CK average. The difference in Step 1/2 national averages is about 10. So if you beat your Step 1 by 10 it's safe to say you stayed the same. Anything above +10 over your Step 1 score is an improvement. These are just my random thoughts/observations. 😛

I disagree respectfully. The extra block has no bearing on the increase in average. If anything, it simply allows them to calculate a more precise (or accurate? or both?) score. In theory, the two scores are comparable. A 250 in step 1 is equivalent to a similar performance on step 2. In reality, I dont think any of us for sure can say how the scores should be interpreted relative to each other, let alone how residency programs interpret scores.
 
You can calculate the z score yourself based on standard deviation and the average. That let's you compare performance
 
Yeah I definitely agree it's hard to tell what kind of equivalence you could put to Step 1/2. I was basing my opinion/theory off of the fact that I believe I read somewhere(possibly someone else's theory) that each question is worth a point until you approach the passing point(197 or whatever it is) then to actually pass you need to answer correctly more questions. The scoring is then similar to before the passing threshold. So with this type of scoring system if you have an additional 44 questions to answer on CK you can theoretically gain 44 more points. This all may have been based on how the practice NBME's are scored so weirdly (people with 12 wrong getting higher scores than someone with 11 etc.). Anyways, it doesn't really matter, study hard and good luck to everyone.
 
Just calculate your z score. These numbers only matter in the sense that they "rank" you relative to other applicants. The z score tells you the rough percentile of your score.
 
Any thoughts or predictions on score delay release for those who took the test on 7/31 or later? Anyone think there is a possibility of this Wednesday? Surely they can't take until 9/25.........
 
Any thoughts or predictions on score delay release for those who took the test on 7/31 or later? Anyone think there is a possibility of this Wednesday? Surely they can't take until 9/25.........
Happens every year. I would count on 9/24 or later, for your emotional health if nothing else.
 
Happens every year. I would count on 9/24 or later, for your emotional health if nothing else.


So in general it they don't drop earlier than the given date? Hell I just wish they would give me a date. If you are going to be late, fine, but tell me for sure. Which..... I guess they kind of did haha, but it seems to leave it to interpretation to some degree
 
I talked to my advisor and was told the score delay is generally just a holding period. So if you took the exam after 7/28 you will most likely get the score around that 09/24th.

but who knows.
 
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