Official 2018-2019 Cardiology Fellowship Application Cycle

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Ever hear of anyone matching with one interview ?

I'd make sure to tell everyone in that program that they are your number 1 choice. #suicidematch

 

[AMST]

How would you guys rank these programs,

CCF FL
UCSD
Tufts
Univ of Kentucky
Loma Linda Univ
West Virginia Uni
Univ of Toledo
Creighton Univ
UCSF Fresno

Future plan: Non-invasive (Imaging or HF)

 

[Dr.Speedy1050]

Ever hear of anyone matching with one interview ?

Yes, I’ve heard of it, and also people not matching after ranking half a dozen or more.

Does anyone know when the rank order list feature of ERAS opens?

 

[Egghead34]

Yes, I’ve heard of it, and also people not matching after ranking half a dozen or more.

Does anyone know when the rank order list feature of ERAS opens?

Do you mean NRMP? Because of so it’s been up for a day or two

 

[Dr.Speedy1050]

Do you mean NRMP? Because of so it’s been up for a day or two

Forgot about that step. Registered on NRMP and started my ROL.

One of the programs I interviewed at is not on the NRMP site. Does that mean they’re not part of the match?

 

[cardss2019]

It's that time of the season now I think. Interviews have dried up so trying to figure out what I should do. How would you rank the following. No major future plans. I'd be okay with General. Thanks in advance:

Mayo clinic Rochester
UCSD
UCLA
UC Davis
U Pitt (UPMC)
Baylor Houston
Baylor Dallas
Northwestern
Vanderbilt
University of Arizona Tucson
Northshore/Northwell LIJ
Georgetown/Washington hospital center
Dartmouth
UVA
Montefiore Bronx
NYU
UC Irvine
VCU
Cooper

 

[BMW M5]

How would you guys drink these programs? Career goal is interventional and structural.


- University of Cincinnati
- University of Arizona Phoenix
- LVHN
- Kettering Medical Center
- Medical College of Georgia
- University of South Dakota
- Ascension Providence (Detroit)
- Orlando Regional Medical Center

 

[EPADHA]

It's that time of the season now I think. Interviews have dried up so trying to figure out what I should do. How would you rank the following. No major future plans. I'd be okay with General. Thanks in advance:

Mayo clinic Rochester
UCSD
UCLA
UC Davis
U Pitt (UPMC)
Baylor Houston
Baylor Dallas
Northwestern
Vanderbilt
University of Arizona Tucson
Northshore/Northwell LIJ
Georgetown/Washington hospital center
Dartmouth
UVA
Montefiore Bronx
NYU
UC Irvine
VCU
Cooper

This is a great list! Several solid programs...As is obvious Northwestern, Vandy, UPMC, Baylor (actually both Baylors), UCLA, Mayo, NYU, UVA and montefiore stand out. I would rank it based on where you would like to practice. If its west coast wd put UCLA, UCSD and UC Davis higher. If you dont care about location Vandy, Mayo Rochester and UVA are great too. Some of the famous places may not give you level 2 cath in a 3 year fellowship (if that is what you want to do). But the days of diagnostic angiographers may be coming to an end.. would make sure you get trained in echo, nuc and CT if gen cards is what you wish to do.

 

[EPADHA]

I’m thinking between a top program like Cleveland clinic (top tier but location is not ideal) vs. UC Davis (Would love to be in California) in terms of ranking 1. Will Cleveland really give that much of an advantage compared to UC Davis? I feel like if I just want a job and not some academic power house both would give equal opportunities. Any thoughts?

CCF >>> UC Davis. UC Davis has a good structural program. That's it and its a state-run university hospital in a relatively underserved area. so they will have patients. It cannot hold a candle to the cardiology division/department at Cleveland Clinic, imho.

 

[EPADHA]

How would you compare CCF to other programs in California like UCLA, UCSD, UCSF? Are none of them in a similar tier?

If you wish to do academics, can not go wrong with UCSF..... UCLA, UCSF should have good clinical training too, but i would think not at the same level at CCF. CCF is more formal, no nonsense kind of place. so would take in to account your learning style and personality as well.

 

[throwaway1939]

It's that time of the season now I think. Interviews have dried up so trying to figure out what I should do. How would you rank the following. No major future plans. I'd be okay with General. Thanks in advance:

Mayo clinic Rochester
UCSD
UCLA
UC Davis
U Pitt (UPMC)
Baylor Houston
Baylor Dallas
Northwestern
Vanderbilt
University of Arizona Tucson
Northshore/Northwell LIJ
Georgetown/Washington hospital center
Dartmouth
UVA
Montefiore Bronx
NYU
UC Irvine
VCU
Cooper

What do you want to do? Be honest with yourself.

Half of those programs are geared towards producing academic cardiologists. The other half train you well for private practice.

Don't rank on reputation. For example, Mayo Rochester is trash if you want to do private practice.

Personally, my favorite programs were UPMC, VCU, Baylors, Vandy; all get you broad training, have all the subspecialties, get level 2 in everything you need. Didn't care much for NWern (fancier part of town though, can't afford it with family, +/- autonomy compared to other peer programs), UCLA (too expensive, heavy on research), UVA (lower volumes, heavy on research, poor transplant exposure IMO). Don't know about the rest.

 

[throwaway1939]

How would you guys drink these programs? Career goal is interventional and structural.


- University of Cincinnati
- University of Arizona Phoenix
- LVHN
- Kettering Medical Center
- Medical College of Georgia
- University of South Dakota
- Ascension Providence (Detroit)
- Orlando Regional Medical Center

U Cincinnati stands out from that group.

 

[cardss2019]

Hey guys thanks a lot for taking the time to respond. I guess I need to figure my life out soon because honestly I don't know what I want to do academic vs. private practice. I just wanted to pick an institute where all the options are open. I will say that yeah Mayo is completely geared towards academic medicine to the point where they force you to do a research year and subspecialize so I need to reevaluate stuff.

 

[throwaway1939]

Hey guys thanks a lot for taking the time to respond. I guess I need to figure my life out soon because honestly I don't know what I want to do academic vs. private practice. I just wanted to pick an institute where all the options are open. I will say that yeah Mayo is completely geared towards academic medicine to the point where they force you to do a research year and subspecialize so I need to reevaluate stuff.

What kind of academics? No one really explores this question but everyone says "I want to do academics". Research? Education? Clinical?

Research -> basically 99% of research is junk. Do you want to do be doing low powered, garbage retrospective studies for the rest of your life? Statistically, only a small percentage of cardiologists actually produce meaningful research that moves the field. Everyone else is cranking researching for the sake of doing so without thought to what is actually being produced. Basic science is even worse. Success rates in the single digits if you want to go down the K -> R pathway. At that point, you essentially stop being a clinician. Nearly every basic science clinician I've met has been garbage; wouldn't trust them with a simple cellulitis. Being a great clinician takes as much work as being a great researcher.

Education -> Have you done any curriculum design? Do you have a 5 year plan in place to get to a place of success (eg aPD/PD). Teaching doesn't mean much and it doesn't command a salary in the academic world. You supplement teaching with clinical work. Do you really want to be answering dumb emails all day about minutiae relating to protocols and educational theory? Are you willing to spend an extra year or two getting a masters of education?

Clinical -> private practice workload for academic pay and none of the actual respect. The university respects researchers, not those in the trenches making the actual money for the university. I learned that our pulm/cc guys make ~140k/year because the expectation is that you supplement your salary with grants.

Academics has a ton of bull****, pomp and circumstance attached to it. It's great for the cases, but is it worth 200k+/year more? Something you can only decide. I just hate hearing "academics!!!" without a clear sense of why you want to do academics.

 

[pcards77]

What kind of academics? No one really explores this question but everyone says "I want to do academics". Research? Education? Clinical?

Research -> basically 99% of research is junk. Do you want to do be doing low powered, garbage retrospective studies for the rest of your life? Statistically, only a small percentage of cardiologists actually produce meaningful research that moves the field. Everyone else is cranking researching for the sake of doing so without thought to what is actually being produced. Basic science is even worse. Success rates in the single digits if you want to go down the K -> R pathway. At that point, you essentially stop being a clinician. Nearly every basic science clinician I've met has been garbage; wouldn't trust them with a simple cellulitis. Being a great clinician takes as much work as being a great researcher.

Education -> Have you done any curriculum design? Do you have a 5 year plan in place to get to a place of success (eg aPD/PD). Teaching doesn't mean much and it doesn't command a salary in the academic world. You supplement teaching with clinical work. Do you really want to be answering dumb emails all day about minutiae relating to protocols and educational theory? Are you willing to spend an extra year or two getting a masters of education?

Clinical -> private practice workload for academic pay and none of the actual respect. The university respects researchers, not those in the trenches making the actual money for the university. I learned that our pulm/cc guys make ~140k/year because the expectation is that you supplement your salary with grants.

Academics has a ton of bull****, pomp and circumstance attached to it. It's great for the cases, but is it worth 200k+/year more? Something you can only decide. I just hate hearing "academics!!!" without a clear sense of why you want to do academics.

You should probably just work at Goldman-Sachs

 

[IMreshopeful]

What kind of academics? No one really explores this question but everyone says "I want to do academics". Research? Education? Clinical?

Research -> basically 99% of research is junk. Do you want to do be doing low powered, garbage retrospective studies for the rest of your life? Statistically, only a small percentage of cardiologists actually produce meaningful research that moves the field. Everyone else is cranking researching for the sake of doing so without thought to what is actually being produced. Basic science is even worse. Success rates in the single digits if you want to go down the K -> R pathway. At that point, you essentially stop being a clinician. Nearly every basic science clinician I've met has been garbage; wouldn't trust them with a simple cellulitis. Being a great clinician takes as much work as being a great researcher.

Education -> Have you done any curriculum design? Do you have a 5 year plan in place to get to a place of success (eg aPD/PD). Teaching doesn't mean much and it doesn't command a salary in the academic world. You supplement teaching with clinical work. Do you really want to be answering dumb emails all day about minutiae relating to protocols and educational theory? Are you willing to spend an extra year or two getting a masters of education?

Clinical -> private practice workload for academic pay and none of the actual respect. The university respects researchers, not those in the trenches making the actual money for the university. I learned that our pulm/cc guys make ~140k/year because the expectation is that you supplement your salary with grants.

Academics has a ton of bull****, pomp and circumstance attached to it. It's great for the cases, but is it worth 200k+/year more? Something you can only decide. I just hate hearing "academics!!!" without a clear sense of why you want to do academics.

Agree wholeheartedly with the above

I think people usually go into academics with the hope of teaching and becoming involved with education. I like mentoring residents as well but I won’t do it for terrible pay and with an expectation for research that I’m not interested in.

 

[IMreshopeful]

You should probably just work at Goldman-Sachs

You’re telling me finance shouldn’t be a consideration in a career?

 

[throwaway1939]

You should probably just work at Goldman-Sachs

Look at the most competitive specialties. There's a reason why there's a prevailing theme. I'll leave it as an exercise to the reader to figure what that is.

 

[Maggie Maggie]

AMG:
OHSU 7/16
Morristown 7/16
Yale 7/19, 7/24
University of Texas-Houston 7/20, 7/27
University of Arkansas 7/23
Baylor Dallas 7/23
Albany Medical College 7/24
University of Hawaii 7/25
Loyola University Chicago 7/26
Maine Medical Center 07/30
U Mass 7/30
UVA 7/30, 8/1
Columbia 7/30
Baylor/Texas Heart Institute 7/30, 8/6, 8/8
U Florida (Gainesville) 7/30
Stony Brook 7/30
Stanford 7/30, 8/13
Orlando Health 07/31
Indiana University 7/31
University of Rochester 7/31
NYU Winthrop 7/31
Baylor Houston 7/31
Spectrum Health 8/1
University of Miami Miller School of Medicine Palm Beach Regional Campus 8/1
Cornell 8/3
University of California Irvine 8/3
Duke 8/4
North Shore LIJ 8/6
Georgetown/Washington Hospital Center 8/6
University of Chicago 8/6
University of Pittsburgh 8/6, 8/7, 8/8
UT-Southwestern 8/6
Beth Israel 8/6
Boston University 8/6
Tulane 8/6
Robert Packer Hospital/Guthrie Program 8/7
Thomas Jefferson 8/7
University of Michigan 8/7, 8/13
University of Buffalo 8/7
University of Florida-Jacksonville 8/7, 8/14
University of Louisville 8/7
Cleveland Clinic 8/7, 8/14
UH/CWRU 8/7
University of Nebraska 8/8
Emory 8/8
Hopkins 8/8
Henry Ford 8/9
MCW 8/9
Wash U 8/9
USF 8/9
University of Wisconsin 8/10
MUSC 8/10
Ohio State 8/10
Cedars-Sinai 8/10
Beaumont (Royal Oaks) 8/10
George Washington 8/13
NYU 8/13
University of Maryland 8/13
University of Chicago Northshore 8/13
Mayo Clinic (Rochester, MN) 8/13
UCSD 8/13
Rutgers-RWJ 8/13
Scripps 8/13
Kentucky 8/13
Methodist - Houston 8/13, 8/16
Montefiore 8/14
Dartmouth 8/14
UCLA 8/14
UNC 8/15
U Arizona - Tuscon 8/15
USC 8/15
Wake Forest 8/16
University of Oklahoma 8/16
Mount Sinai (academic track) 8/17
Vanderbilt 8/17
University of Minnesota 8/17
Kaiser SF 8/19
BWH 8/20
MGH 820
Rush 8/20
UC Davis 8/21
U Washington 8/24
U Colorado 8/27
UCSF 8/28
Jersey Shore 8/28
Saint Louis University 8/27
Christiana Care 8/28
UMKC/Mid-America Heart Institute 8/28
Northwestern 8/29
Dartmouth 8/30 (2nd wave)
VCU/MCV 8/30
UIC 8/31
UAB 8/31
UPenn 9/11
INOVA Fairfax 9/26

DO:
University of Rochester 7/31
Leigh Valley Health Network 8/2
University of Louisville 8/6
University at Buffalo 8/7
Texas A&M-Scott & White Medical Ctr 8/7
University of Kentucky 8/7, 8/10
MetroHealth/CWRU 8/8
Henry Ford 8/9
Beaumont 8/10
Allegheny 8/14
St. Vincent (Indianapolis) 8/14
WVU 8/15
University of Cincinnati 8/16
Medical College of Georgia (Augusta University) 8/16
University of Toledo 8/20
University of Pittsburgh 8/20
Charleston Area Medical Center/WVU 8/20
UH/CWRU 8/21
University of New Mexico 8/23
University of Missouri-Columbia 8/27
Summa Health 8/28
Christiana Care 8/28
UT-Knoxville 8/29
Samaritan Health Services 9/4
Penn State 9/5
Drexel 9/5
University of Arizona - Phoenix 9/5
Carilion Clinic-Virginia Tech 9/5
Kettering Medical Center 9/5
Aurora 9/9
OHSU 9/18
University of Arkansas 9/20

IMG w/o Visa Required:
Baylor 7/25
UT Houston 7/26
Yale 7/30
University of Florida (Gainesville) 7/30
Broward Health Medical Center 7/31, 8/2
University of Miami 8/1
Orange Park Medical Center 8/1
UT San Antonio 8/3
Medical City Forth Worth 8/3
Texas Tech El Paso 8/6
Boston University 8/6
University of Louisville 8/6
Emory University 8/8
Loma Linda 8/13
UCLA 8/14
Ochsner clinic (New Orleans) 8/16
University of Indiana 8/16
WVU 8/16
UCR 8/16
LSU NOLA 8/17
Dell Medical School 8/17
Tuft 8/17
Creighton 8/17
University of Iowa 8/17
Mayo Clinic Arizona 8/17
University of Toledo 8/20
Carilion Clinic-Virginia Tech 8/22
Florida Atlantic University 8/23
Nassau Univ Med Program 8/23
University of Kentucky 8/24
St. Louis University School of Medicine 8/27
UCSF Fresno 8/27
Christiana Care 8/28
University of Tennessee-Knoxville 8/29
St Elizabeth Brighton 8/29
Mt Sinai (Brooklyn) 8/31
Einstein Philadelphia 8/31
Ascension St. John 8/31
University of Arkansas 8/31
East Carolina/ VCU 9/12
Northside Hospital, Florida 9/13
Howard University 9/13

IMG Requiring Visa:
Geisinger medical center 7/20
Yale 7/19
Baylor College of Medicine Houston 7/25
SUNY Upstate 7/25
UT Houston 7/26
Montefiore Medical Center 7/26, 08/14
Loyola University Chicago 7/26
U Mass 7/26
Columbia 7/30
Spectrum health 8/1
UVA 8/2, 07/31
Duke 8/4
Georgetown/Washington Hospital Center 8/6
Tulane 8/6
University of Kentucky 8/7
University of Louisville 8/7
Palmetto Health USC SOM 8/8
MetroHealth/CWRU 8/8
Univ of Nebraska 8/8
Hopkins 8/8
MUSC 8/9
MCW 8/9, 08/14
Wash U 8/9
HenryFord Hospital 8/9
USF 8/9
Ohio State University
Morehouse School of Medicine 8/13
Univ of Maryland 8/13
Cleveland Clinic 8/13
Univ. of Michigan 8/13
Univ of Chicago North Shore 8/13
Rutgers Robert Wood Johnson 8/13
University of Hawaii 08/02, 8/13
Loma Linda 08/13
Mayo Rochester 8/13
Allegheny general 8/14
WVU 8/15
Univ Cincinnati 8/17
WMC/NYMC 8/17
Creighton University 8/17
Univ of Minnesota 8/17
Vanderbilt 8/17
University of Iowa 8/17
Mayo Clinic Arizona 8/17
UCLA 8/17
University of Connecticut - Farmington 8/17
University of Pittsburgh- 8/20
Charleston Area Medical Center/WVU 8/20
MGH 8/20
University of Southern Illinois 8/21
Summa Health 8/23
Jackson Memorial Hospital 8/24
University of Washington, Seattle 8/24
Lankenau Medical Center 8/24
University of Colorado 8/27
Christiana Care 8/28
Providence Hospital, Michigan 8/28
NYU 8/28
Marshall University College of Medicine 8/28
St Elizabeth Brighton 8/29
University of Miami Miller School of Medicine 8/29
UNLV 8/29
Mayo Clinic Florida 8/30
John H. Stroger Hospital of Cook County 9/4
University of Kansas Medical Center 9/4
University of Miami Jackson Memorial 9/4
University of Cooper Hospital 9/5
Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center 9/5
Danbury 9/11
Detroit Medical Center/Wayne State University 9/18
CCF Florida 9/25
TTUHSC Lubbock 10/5

Waitlist:
Boston U 8/7
Hopkins 8/8
Cornell 8/9
U Mass 8/15
Brown 8/15
Penn State 8/20
Westchester 8/20
East Carolina/Vidant 9/26

Acknowledgments:
Newark Beth Israel 8/13
Southern Illinois University 8/29

Rejections:
Vidant 7/23
Columbia 7/30
University of Chicago 8/2, 8/15
Boston University 8/6
Duke 8/8
University of Nebraska 8/8
Georgetown University/MedStar Washington 8/14
Beaumont Hospital, Royal Oak 8/14
Indiana University 8/14
Medical College of Wisconsin 8/15
Brown 8/15
Texas A&M Scott and White 8/15
Kaiser San Francisco Medical Center 8/15
UC San Diego 8/16
Orange Park Medical Center Program 08/16
University of Florida - Jacksonville 8/16
U Mass 8/16
UTMB 08/17
Harbor UCLA 8/17
Rush 8/20
Geisinger 8/20
Loma Linda 8/20
Penn State Milton S Hershey 8/20
BWH 8/21
U Wisconsin 8/21
Wash U 8/22
West Virginia University 8/23
Mayo Rochester 8/23
Creighton University 8/24
BIDMC 8/24
University of Washington 8/24
University of Texas at Austin Dell 8/24
MGH 8/27
UCSF 8/28
UT Southwestern 8/28
University of Colorado 8/28
OSU 8/29
University of Michigan 8/30
LSU 9/4
University of Kansas 9/5
Marshall University 9/12
UF Jacksonville 9/13
University of Buffalo 9/13
UCLA 9/13
Northwestern 9/14
University of Arizona 9/17
University of Southern California 9/17
University of South Florida Morsani 9/18
St. Elizabeth's 9/18
Danbury 9/18
Baylor Dallas 9/18
Aventura Hospital 9/19
University of Tennessee 9/20
Vanderbilt 9/20
University of Illinois at Chicago 9/20
Cook County 9/24
University of Kentucky Bowling Green 9/24
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center 9/27
University of Maryland 9/28
University of Louisville 10/1
University of Minnesota 10/5

 

[Livsal2018]

What do you guys thinking about ranking the programs below:
1. Rochester/Strong Memorial
2. Henry Ford
3. Loyola University Chicago
4.University of South Florida, Tampa
5. Tulane University New Orleans
6. University of Connecticut Farmington
7. West Virginia University
8. University of Vermont
9. University of Tennessee Memphis

 

[cardsguy2017]

This is a great list! Several solid programs...As is obvious Northwestern, Vandy, UPMC, Baylor (actually both Baylors), UCLA, Mayo, NYU, UVA and montefiore stand out. I would rank it based on where you would like to practice. If its west coast wd put UCLA, UCSD and UC Davis higher. If you dont care about location Vandy, Mayo Rochester and UVA are great too. Some of the famous places may not give you level 2 cath in a 3 year fellowship (if that is what you want to do). But the days of diagnostic angiographers may be coming to an end.. would make sure you get trained in echo, nuc and CT if gen cards is what you wish to do.

I'm wondering if CT is a regional thing, is it a big thing with gen cards where you are? It's not really a thing where I am. Same thing for diagnostic cath, it doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon where I am. Unless you meant the days of gen cards doing diagnostic caths is going away, which I can see. With that said, if a program lacks CT training I don't think it's a huge deal since there's courses that get you level 2/3.

What kind of academics? No one really explores this question but everyone says "I want to do academics". Research? Education? Clinical?

Research -> basically 99% of research is junk. Do you want to do be doing low powered, garbage retrospective studies for the rest of your life? Statistically, only a small percentage of cardiologists actually produce meaningful research that moves the field. Everyone else is cranking researching for the sake of doing so without thought to what is actually being produced. Basic science is even worse. Success rates in the single digits if you want to go down the K -> R pathway. At that point, you essentially stop being a clinician. Nearly every basic science clinician I've met has been garbage; wouldn't trust them with a simple cellulitis. Being a great clinician takes as much work as being a great researcher.

Education -> Have you done any curriculum design? Do you have a 5 year plan in place to get to a place of success (eg aPD/PD). Teaching doesn't mean much and it doesn't command a salary in the academic world. You supplement teaching with clinical work. Do you really want to be answering dumb emails all day about minutiae relating to protocols and educational theory? Are you willing to spend an extra year or two getting a masters of education?

Clinical -> private practice workload for academic pay and none of the actual respect. The university respects researchers, not those in the trenches making the actual money for the university. I learned that our pulm/cc guys make ~140k/year because the expectation is that you supplement your salary with grants.

Academics has a ton of bull****, pomp and circumstance attached to it. It's great for the cases, but is it worth 200k+/year more? Something you can only decide. I just hate hearing "academics!!!" without a clear sense of why you want to do academics.

Harsh truth, but agree. Research/education is important for sure, but it certainly can be shoved down our throats as if it's the only type of career one can have, despite a majority ending up in PP.

 

[Goforheart]

What do you guys thinking about ranking the programs below:
1. Rochester/Strong Memorial
2. Henry Ford
3. Loyola University Chicago
4.University of South Florida, Tampa
5. Tulane University New Orleans
6. University of Connecticut Farmington
7. West Virginia University
8. University of Vermont
9. University of Tennessee Memphis

I think it depends on where you’re located and what you want to do in future

 

[IMreshopeful]

I'm wondering if CT is a regional thing, is it a big thing with gen cards where you are? It's not really a thing where I am. Same thing for diagnostic cath, it doesn't seem to be going away anytime soon where I am. Unless you meant the days of gen cards doing diagnostic caths is going away, which I can see. With that said, if a program lacks CT training I don't think it's a huge deal since there's courses that get you level 2/3.



Harsh truth, but agree. Research/education is important for sure, but it certainly can be shoved down our throats as if it's the only type of career one can have, despite a majority ending up in PP.

I agree, don’t think CT is an absolute. If you want to learn it and get boarded as you said there’s a bunch of courses where you can do it anyway - not super hard to read lol

Nuclear and echo are a must, Vascular is a plus

 

[karl009123]

What do you guys thinking about ranking the programs below:
1. Rochester/Strong Memorial
2. Henry Ford
3. Loyola University Chicago
4.University of South Florida, Tampa
5. Tulane University New Orleans
6. University of Connecticut Farmington
7. West Virginia University
8. University of Vermont
9. University of Tennessee Memphis

I think Henry Ford, Loyola, USF ,Univ of vermont and Farmington definitely stand out from the rest. best of luck!

 

[richuh11huh]

Need advice. Goals: ok with doing research during fellowship but not a major part of my career. Clinically inclined towards interventional.
Please rank the following:
Univ Kentucky
Henry Ford
Brown
Univ Minnesota
UMKC
Indiana
Baylor Houston
Case Western / University Hospitals
UAB
UPMC
Wake Forest

 

[AMST]

Guys, I really appreciate your thought about these programs.

CCF FL
UCSD
Tufts Univ
Univ of Kentucky
Loma Linda Univ
West Virginia Univ
Univ of Toledo
Creighton Univ
UCSF Fresno
UC Riverside

Future plan: Non-invasive (Imaging > HF)

 

[EPADHA]

Need advice. Goals: ok with doing research during fellowship but not a major part of my career. Clinically inclined towards interventional.
Please rank the following:
Univ Kentucky
Henry Ford
Brown
Univ Minnesota
UMKC
Indiana
Baylor Houston
Case Western / University Hospitals
UAB
UPMC
Wake Forest

Henry Ford, Baylor, Case, Kentucky etc should be good from an interventional standpoint.

 

[SoCalHeart]

Guys, I really appreciate your thought about these programs.

CCF FL
UCSD
Tufts Univ
Univ of Kentucky
Loma Linda Univ
West Virginia Univ
Univ of Toledo
Creighton Univ
UCSF Fresno
UC Riverside

Future plan: Non-invasive (Imaging > HF)

Rank the locations near where you would like to end up! You have many great options on this list. In terms of academic prestige, UCSD it the best on your list....but academic prestige has limited value.

In terms of reputation, the CA programs on your list are:
1. UCSD
2. UC Riverside
3/4. UCSF Fresno/Loma Linda

Honestly, though, all on your list are all really great programs. As someone who just finished cardiology fellowship...let me tell you: You should be very happy with this list!

Best of luck with your decision!

 

[SoCalHeart]

Hey guys thanks a lot for taking the time to respond. I guess I need to figure my life out soon because honestly I don't know what I want to do academic vs. private practice. I just wanted to pick an institute where all the options are open. I will say that yeah Mayo is completely geared towards academic medicine to the point where they force you to do a research year and subspecialize so I need to reevaluate stuff.

Welcome to a tough decision! I chose to go to an academic place (and recently finished fellowship). I did not continue to do a lot of research during cardiology fellowship, but did decide to pursue sub-specialty (IC) training. I was pleasantly surprised that my program did a great job at preparing me clinically.

If you KNOW that you want to be in academics, look for a program that gets you there. That means that you should be doing a deep-dive into their offerings to see what mentors they have, their success rate with academic appointments, etc.

If you are NOT SURE that you want to do academics, make sure that you choose a program that prepares you for clinical practice (to keep your options open...and to be a better cardiologist). You need to be able to be independent in Echo, nuclear and dx cath. You may decide to be academic or purely clinical along the way.

Either way. You should keep the following in mind:
1. Region matters. Out here is California, no one from Minnesota was calling me with job offers. I'm pretty sure that not many people in Rochester are getting job offers in CA. If you know what region you want to end up in, weight that heavily.
2. As long as you get solid clinical training (echo, cath, nuc, CCU, clinic, etc), coming from a university (especially a known one) or another big-name place (CCF, Mayo, etc.) will maximize your post-fellowship opportunities not only in the academic world, but also in the private practice world.

Don't overthink it. You'll have opportunities to find a great life no matter where you end up!

 

[SoCalHeart]

I agree, don’t think CT is an absolute. If you want to learn it and get boarded as you said there’s a bunch of courses where you can do it anyway - not super hard to read lol

Nuclear and echo are a must, Vascular is a plus

Agree. I was lucky enough to go to a program where I could get certified in all of these (echo, vascular and nuc through the program and CT through a local affiliate that runs one of these "CT training programs"). Echo definitely a "must". If you are not echo certified, you better have a solid research grant. Nuclear you should have the opportunity get so you can incorporate it into your practice. Vascular/RPVI is "nice to have", but you can get it later if you need it.

Do not worry about CT. Currently (until next year) you can take a 1-week course during or after fellowship and become board certified in CT. After that, an imaging advanced fellowship will be required. Furthermore, the economics of CT are not favorable to most cardiology practices...so unless you choose to be an academic imager, this will likely not be a marketable skill.

 

[SoCalHeart]

Need advice. Goals: ok with doing research during fellowship but not a major part of my career. Clinically inclined towards interventional.
Please rank the following:
Univ Kentucky
Henry Ford
Brown
Univ Minnesota
UMKC
Indiana
Baylor Houston
Case Western / University Hospitals
UAB
UPMC
Wake Forest

Find out which programs have good interventional programs and go there. Most people stay at their general fellowship institution for subspecialty fellowship. These are excellent programs. Henry Ford is famous in the IC world, but with so many great options, you don't have to put them at the top of the list if you don't like them otherwise.

 

[SoCalHeart]

What kind of academics? No one really explores this question but everyone says "I want to do academics". Research? Education? Clinical?

Research -> basically 99% of research is junk. Do you want to do be doing low powered, garbage retrospective studies for the rest of your life? Statistically, only a small percentage of cardiologists actually produce meaningful research that moves the field. Everyone else is cranking researching for the sake of doing so without thought to what is actually being produced. Basic science is even worse. Success rates in the single digits if you want to go down the K -> R pathway. At that point, you essentially stop being a clinician. Nearly every basic science clinician I've met has been garbage; wouldn't trust them with a simple cellulitis. Being a great clinician takes as much work as being a great researcher.

Education -> Have you done any curriculum design? Do you have a 5 year plan in place to get to a place of success (eg aPD/PD). Teaching doesn't mean much and it doesn't command a salary in the academic world. You supplement teaching with clinical work. Do you really want to be answering dumb emails all day about minutiae relating to protocols and educational theory? Are you willing to spend an extra year or two getting a masters of education?

Clinical -> private practice workload for academic pay and none of the actual respect. The university respects researchers, not those in the trenches making the actual money for the university. I learned that our pulm/cc guys make ~140k/year because the expectation is that you supplement your salary with grants.

Academics has a ton of bull****, pomp and circumstance attached to it. It's great for the cases, but is it worth 200k+/year more? Something you can only decide. I just hate hearing "academics!!!" without a clear sense of why you want to do academics.

Fair points. However, if you don't plan to do academics (or don't have a "5 year plan"), you should still consider "academic" programs for training because, in general, they have big names (that help you get jobs), they have sick patients (that you can learn from), they have sub-specialty training programs (if that is what you end up wanting to do) and if you decided to become academic...that is available too.

I recommend that, wherever you end up, you explore every unique opportunity that the place has to offer. It's a bad idea to be "tied" to academics, though.

 

[Cardsforlife1]

Which one of those is better for IC:
UT Health
Baylor
Methodist

 

[cardss2019]

Which Baylor ?

 

[AMST]

AMG:
OHSU 7/16
Morristown 7/16
Yale 7/19, 7/24
University of Texas-Houston 7/20, 7/27
University of Arkansas 7/23
Baylor Dallas 7/23
Albany Medical College 7/24
University of Hawaii 7/25
Loyola University Chicago 7/26
Maine Medical Center 07/30
U Mass 7/30
UVA 7/30, 8/1
Columbia 7/30
Baylor/Texas Heart Institute 7/30, 8/6, 8/8
U Florida (Gainesville) 7/30
Stony Brook 7/30
Stanford 7/30, 8/13
Orlando Health 07/31
Indiana University 7/31
University of Rochester 7/31
NYU Winthrop 7/31
Baylor Houston 7/31
Spectrum Health 8/1
University of Miami Miller School of Medicine Palm Beach Regional Campus 8/1
Cornell 8/3
University of California Irvine 8/3
Duke 8/4
North Shore LIJ 8/6
Georgetown/Washington Hospital Center 8/6
University of Chicago 8/6
University of Pittsburgh 8/6, 8/7, 8/8
UT-Southwestern 8/6
Beth Israel 8/6
Boston University 8/6
Tulane 8/6
Robert Packer Hospital/Guthrie Program 8/7
Thomas Jefferson 8/7
University of Michigan 8/7, 8/13
University of Buffalo 8/7
University of Florida-Jacksonville 8/7, 8/14
University of Louisville 8/7
Cleveland Clinic 8/7, 8/14
UH/CWRU 8/7
University of Nebraska 8/8
Emory 8/8
Hopkins 8/8
Henry Ford 8/9
MCW 8/9
Wash U 8/9
USF 8/9
University of Wisconsin 8/10
MUSC 8/10
Ohio State 8/10
Cedars-Sinai 8/10
Beaumont (Royal Oaks) 8/10
George Washington 8/13
NYU 8/13
University of Maryland 8/13
University of Chicago Northshore 8/13
Mayo Clinic (Rochester, MN) 8/13
UCSD 8/13
Rutgers-RWJ 8/13
Scripps 8/13
Kentucky 8/13
Methodist - Houston 8/13, 8/16
Montefiore 8/14
Dartmouth 8/14
UCLA 8/14
UNC 8/15
U Arizona - Tuscon 8/15
USC 8/15
Wake Forest 8/16
University of Oklahoma 8/16
Mount Sinai (academic track) 8/17
Vanderbilt 8/17
University of Minnesota 8/17
Kaiser SF 8/19
BWH 8/20
MGH 820
Rush 8/20
UC Davis 8/21
U Washington 8/24
U Colorado 8/27
UCSF 8/28
Jersey Shore 8/28
Saint Louis University 8/27
Christiana Care 8/28
UMKC/Mid-America Heart Institute 8/28
Northwestern 8/29
Dartmouth 8/30 (2nd wave)
VCU/MCV 8/30
UIC 8/31
UAB 8/31
UPenn 9/11
INOVA Fairfax 9/26

DO:
University of Rochester 7/31
Leigh Valley Health Network 8/2
University of Louisville 8/6
University at Buffalo 8/7
Texas A&M-Scott & White Medical Ctr 8/7
University of Kentucky 8/7, 8/10
MetroHealth/CWRU 8/8
Henry Ford 8/9
Beaumont 8/10
Allegheny 8/14
St. Vincent (Indianapolis) 8/14
WVU 8/15
University of Cincinnati 8/16
Medical College of Georgia (Augusta University) 8/16
University of Toledo 8/20
University of Pittsburgh 8/20
Charleston Area Medical Center/WVU 8/20
UH/CWRU 8/21
University of New Mexico 8/23
University of Missouri-Columbia 8/27
Summa Health 8/28
Christiana Care 8/28
UT-Knoxville 8/29
Samaritan Health Services 9/4
Penn State 9/5
Drexel 9/5
University of Arizona - Phoenix 9/5
Carilion Clinic-Virginia Tech 9/5
Kettering Medical Center 9/5
Aurora 9/9
OHSU 9/18
University of Arkansas 9/20

IMG w/o Visa Required:
Baylor 7/25
UT Houston 7/26
Yale 7/30
University of Florida (Gainesville) 7/30
Broward Health Medical Center 7/31, 8/2
University of Miami 8/1
Orange Park Medical Center 8/1
UT San Antonio 8/3
Medical City Forth Worth 8/3
Texas Tech El Paso 8/6
Boston University 8/6
University of Louisville 8/6
Emory University 8/8
Loma Linda 8/13
UCLA 8/14
Ochsner clinic (New Orleans) 8/16
University of Indiana 8/16
WVU 8/16
UCR 8/16
LSU NOLA 8/17
Dell Medical School 8/17
Tuft 8/17
Creighton 8/17
University of Iowa 8/17
Mayo Clinic Arizona 8/17
University of Toledo 8/20
Carilion Clinic-Virginia Tech 8/22
Florida Atlantic University 8/23
Nassau Univ Med Program 8/23
University of Kentucky 8/24
St. Louis University School of Medicine 8/27
UCSF Fresno 8/27
Christiana Care 8/28
University of Tennessee-Knoxville 8/29
St Elizabeth Brighton 8/29
Mt Sinai (Brooklyn) 8/31
Einstein Philadelphia 8/31
Ascension St. John 8/31
University of Arkansas 8/31
East Carolina/ VCU 9/12
Northside Hospital, Florida 9/13
Howard University 9/13
MSU 10/8

IMG Requiring Visa:
Geisinger medical center 7/20
Yale 7/19
Baylor College of Medicine Houston 7/25
SUNY Upstate 7/25
UT Houston 7/26
Montefiore Medical Center 7/26, 08/14
Loyola University Chicago 7/26
U Mass 7/26
Columbia 7/30
Spectrum health 8/1
UVA 8/2, 07/31
Duke 8/4
Georgetown/Washington Hospital Center 8/6
Tulane 8/6
University of Kentucky 8/7
University of Louisville 8/7
Palmetto Health USC SOM 8/8
MetroHealth/CWRU 8/8
Univ of Nebraska 8/8
Hopkins 8/8
MUSC 8/9
MCW 8/9, 08/14
Wash U 8/9
HenryFord Hospital 8/9
USF 8/9
Ohio State University
Morehouse School of Medicine 8/13
Univ of Maryland 8/13
Cleveland Clinic 8/13
Univ. of Michigan 8/13
Univ of Chicago North Shore 8/13
Rutgers Robert Wood Johnson 8/13
University of Hawaii 08/02, 8/13
Loma Linda 08/13
Mayo Rochester 8/13
Allegheny general 8/14
WVU 8/15
Univ Cincinnati 8/17
WMC/NYMC 8/17
Creighton University 8/17
Univ of Minnesota 8/17
Vanderbilt 8/17
University of Iowa 8/17
Mayo Clinic Arizona 8/17
UCLA 8/17
University of Connecticut - Farmington 8/17
University of Pittsburgh- 8/20
Charleston Area Medical Center/WVU 8/20
MGH 8/20
University of Southern Illinois 8/21
Summa Health 8/23
Jackson Memorial Hospital 8/24
University of Washington, Seattle 8/24
Lankenau Medical Center 8/24
University of Colorado 8/27
Christiana Care 8/28
Providence Hospital, Michigan 8/28
NYU 8/28
Marshall University College of Medicine 8/28
St Elizabeth Brighton 8/29
University of Miami Miller School of Medicine 8/29
UNLV 8/29
Mayo Clinic Florida 8/30
John H. Stroger Hospital of Cook County 9/4
University of Kansas Medical Center 9/4
University of Miami Jackson Memorial 9/4
University of Cooper Hospital 9/5
Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center 9/5
Danbury 9/11
Detroit Medical Center/Wayne State University 9/18
CCF Florida 9/25
TTUHSC Lubbock 10/5

Waitlist:
Boston U 8/7
Hopkins 8/8
Cornell 8/9
U Mass 8/15
Brown 8/15
Penn State 8/20
Westchester 8/20
East Carolina/Vidant 9/26

Acknowledgments:
Newark Beth Israel 8/13
Southern Illinois University 8/29

Rejections:
Vidant 7/23
Columbia 7/30
University of Chicago 8/2, 8/15
Boston University 8/6
Duke 8/8
University of Nebraska 8/8
Georgetown University/MedStar Washington 8/14
Beaumont Hospital, Royal Oak 8/14
Indiana University 8/14
Medical College of Wisconsin 8/15
Brown 8/15
Texas A&M Scott and White 8/15
Kaiser San Francisco Medical Center 8/15
UC San Diego 8/16
Orange Park Medical Center Program 08/16
University of Florida - Jacksonville 8/16
U Mass 8/16
UTMB 08/17
Harbor UCLA 8/17
Rush 8/20
Geisinger 8/20
Loma Linda 8/20
Penn State Milton S Hershey 8/20
BWH 8/21
U Wisconsin 8/21
Wash U 8/22
West Virginia University 8/23
Mayo Rochester 8/23
Creighton University 8/24
BIDMC 8/24
University of Washington 8/24
University of Texas at Austin Dell 8/24
MGH 8/27
UCSF 8/28
UT Southwestern 8/28
University of Colorado 8/28
OSU 8/29
University of Michigan 8/30
LSU 9/4
University of Kansas 9/5
Marshall University 9/12
UF Jacksonville 9/13
University of Buffalo 9/13
UCLA 9/13
Northwestern 9/14
University of Arizona 9/17
University of Southern California 9/17
University of South Florida Morsani 9/18
St. Elizabeth's 9/18
Danbury 9/18
Baylor Dallas 9/18
Aventura Hospital 9/19
University of Tennessee 9/20
Vanderbilt 9/20
University of Illinois at Chicago 9/20
Cook County 9/24
University of Kentucky Bowling Green 9/24
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center 9/27
University of Maryland 9/28
University of Louisville 10/1
University of Minnesota 10/5

 

[GallavardinP]

wow, invites still being sent out...

 

[AMST]

wow, invites still being sent out...

Any thoughts about MSU?

 

[Livsal2018]

Currently a fellow at the West Virginia University. I guess program is still not well known to outsiders. We have expanded our heart and vascular services a lot and in fact have a dedicated tower where we have all our labs, OR, hybrid ORs for structural cases, floors, CVICU etc. The program is pretty big in terms of volume and you will nearly see most pathology in your training. Cath lab is very busy and fellows get lots of exposure in Cath labs. You also get significant autonomy in Cath labs even though there is a dedicated interventional cardiology program. Structural is good and we are doing everything from TAVRs, watchman, amulet, Mitra clip to tendyne mitral valve replacements. EP volume is also good and all EP procedures are offered. In terms of advanced heart failure, we have started LVAD program and planning on heart transplant next year. Imaging is heavy and echo labs are pretty busy (about 60+ TTEs each day and nearly 7-8 TEEs). Cardiac MRI and CTs are gearing up as well. Usually we do about 7-8 nuclear stress tests every day as well. So bottomline, you will get overall good training. I am personally planning on an academic career in EP but program gives you a solid foundation for private practice as well. PM me if any questions.

Thanks a lot. Yeah I was very impressed by the program with the amount of growth in last 2 years. That is among my top choice especially after interviewing there. Was very impressed.

 

[Livsal2018]

I think Henry Ford, Loyola, USF ,Univ of vermont and Farmington definitely stand out from the rest. best of luck!

Thanks a lot

 

[Applicant_2018]

What kind of academics? No one really explores this question but everyone says "I want to do academics". Research? Education? Clinical?

Research -> basically 99% of research is junk. Do you want to do be doing low powered, garbage retrospective studies for the rest of your life? Statistically, only a small percentage of cardiologists actually produce meaningful research that moves the field. Everyone else is cranking researching for the sake of doing so without thought to what is actually being produced. Basic science is even worse. Success rates in the single digits if you want to go down the K -> R pathway. At that point, you essentially stop being a clinician. Nearly every basic science clinician I've met has been garbage; wouldn't trust them with a simple cellulitis. Being a great clinician takes as much work as being a great researcher.

Education -> Have you done any curriculum design? Do you have a 5 year plan in place to get to a place of success (eg aPD/PD). Teaching doesn't mean much and it doesn't command a salary in the academic world. You supplement teaching with clinical work. Do you really want to be answering dumb emails all day about minutiae relating to protocols and educational theory? Are you willing to spend an extra year or two getting a masters of education?

Clinical -> private practice workload for academic pay and none of the actual respect. The university respects researchers, not those in the trenches making the actual money for the university. I learned that our pulm/cc guys make ~140k/year because the expectation is that you supplement your salary with grants.

Academics has a ton of bull****, pomp and circumstance attached to it. It's great for the cases, but is it worth 200k+/year more? Something you can only decide. I just hate hearing "academics!!!" without a clear sense of why you want to do academics.

My experience with physician-scientists have been different. They are very smart people and seem to excel both in research and clinical, atleast from what I have seen. Academic programs mostly have high volume and so far what I have seen is that big names have more than enough numbers for everything. I thought the same as you mentioned, but I found that to be incorrect. Bottom line big places have excellent didactic, they invite experts in each field to deliver lectures etc. Always aim for a big name, as that name will stay with you for the rest of your professional life; and they will provide you with most up-to-date evidence based learning. I do agree that making a career in academics is much tougher than private practice, though you stay relevant in the field. I do not think most of the research published in big journals is useless; all of this adds to a pool of knowledge which is essential to design more comprehensive prospective studies.

 

[tdsbar]

Hey guys, really appreciate your thought about these programs.

UofRochester, UNC, USC, USF, Temple, Jefferson, Mayo AZ, Beaumont.

Goals: Looking at Advanced Echo/Imaging or HF/Transplant.

 

[heartattackmilliontimes]

My experience with physician-scientists have been different. They are very smart people and seem to excel both in research and clinical, atleast from what I have seen. Academic programs mostly have high volume and so far what I have seen is that big names have more than enough numbers for everything. I thought the same as you mentioned, but I found that to be incorrect. Bottom line big places have excellent didactic, they invite experts in each field to deliver lectures etc. Always aim for a big name, as that name will stay with you for the rest of your professional life; and they will provide you with most up-to-date evidence based learning. I do agree that making a career in academics is much tougher than private practice, though you stay relevant in the field. I do not think most of the research published in big journals is useless; all of this adds to a pool of knowledge which is essential to design more comprehensive prospective studies.

Agree

 

[Maggie Maggie]

AMG:
OHSU 7/16
Morristown 7/16
Yale 7/19, 7/24
University of Texas-Houston 7/20, 7/27
University of Arkansas 7/23
Baylor Dallas 7/23
Albany Medical College 7/24
University of Hawaii 7/25
Loyola University Chicago 7/26
Maine Medical Center 07/30
U Mass 7/30
UVA 7/30, 8/1
Columbia 7/30
Baylor/Texas Heart Institute 7/30, 8/6, 8/8
U Florida (Gainesville) 7/30
Stony Brook 7/30
Stanford 7/30, 8/13
Orlando Health 07/31
Indiana University 7/31
University of Rochester 7/31
NYU Winthrop 7/31
Baylor Houston 7/31
Spectrum Health 8/1
University of Miami Miller School of Medicine Palm Beach Regional Campus 8/1
Cornell 8/3
University of California Irvine 8/3
Duke 8/4
North Shore LIJ 8/6
Georgetown/Washington Hospital Center 8/6
University of Chicago 8/6
University of Pittsburgh 8/6, 8/7, 8/8
UT-Southwestern 8/6
Beth Israel 8/6
Boston University 8/6
Tulane 8/6
Robert Packer Hospital/Guthrie Program 8/7
Thomas Jefferson 8/7
University of Michigan 8/7, 8/13
University of Buffalo 8/7
University of Florida-Jacksonville 8/7, 8/14
University of Louisville 8/7
Cleveland Clinic 8/7, 8/14
UH/CWRU 8/7
University of Nebraska 8/8
Emory 8/8
Hopkins 8/8
Henry Ford 8/9
MCW 8/9
Wash U 8/9
USF 8/9
University of Wisconsin 8/10
MUSC 8/10
Ohio State 8/10
Cedars-Sinai 8/10
Beaumont (Royal Oaks) 8/10
George Washington 8/13
NYU 8/13
University of Maryland 8/13
University of Chicago Northshore 8/13
Mayo Clinic (Rochester, MN) 8/13
UCSD 8/13
Rutgers-RWJ 8/13
Scripps 8/13
Kentucky 8/13
Methodist - Houston 8/13, 8/16
Montefiore 8/14
Dartmouth 8/14
UCLA 8/14
UNC 8/15
U Arizona - Tuscon 8/15
USC 8/15
Wake Forest 8/16
University of Oklahoma 8/16
Mount Sinai (academic track) 8/17
Vanderbilt 8/17
University of Minnesota 8/17
Kaiser SF 8/19
BWH 8/20
MGH 820
Rush 8/20
UC Davis 8/21
U Washington 8/24
U Colorado 8/27
UCSF 8/28
Jersey Shore 8/28
Saint Louis University 8/27
Christiana Care 8/28
UMKC/Mid-America Heart Institute 8/28
Northwestern 8/29
Dartmouth 8/30 (2nd wave)
VCU/MCV 8/30
UIC 8/31
UAB 8/31
UPenn 9/11
INOVA Fairfax 9/26

DO:
University of Rochester 7/31
Leigh Valley Health Network 8/2
University of Louisville 8/6
University at Buffalo 8/7
Texas A&M-Scott & White Medical Ctr 8/7
University of Kentucky 8/7, 8/10
MetroHealth/CWRU 8/8
Henry Ford 8/9
Beaumont 8/10
Allegheny 8/14
St. Vincent (Indianapolis) 8/14
WVU 8/15
University of Cincinnati 8/16
Medical College of Georgia (Augusta University) 8/16
University of Toledo 8/20
University of Pittsburgh 8/20
Charleston Area Medical Center/WVU 8/20
UH/CWRU 8/21
University of New Mexico 8/23
University of Missouri-Columbia 8/27
Summa Health 8/28
Christiana Care 8/28
UT-Knoxville 8/29
Samaritan Health Services 9/4
Penn State 9/5
Drexel 9/5
University of Arizona - Phoenix 9/5
Carilion Clinic-Virginia Tech 9/5
Kettering Medical Center 9/5
Aurora 9/9
OHSU 9/18
University of Arkansas 9/20

IMG w/o Visa Required:
Baylor 7/25
UT Houston 7/26
Yale 7/30
University of Florida (Gainesville) 7/30
Broward Health Medical Center 7/31, 8/2
University of Miami 8/1
Orange Park Medical Center 8/1
UT San Antonio 8/3
Medical City Forth Worth 8/3
Texas Tech El Paso 8/6
Boston University 8/6
University of Louisville 8/6
Emory University 8/8
Loma Linda 8/13
UCLA 8/14
Ochsner clinic (New Orleans) 8/16
University of Indiana 8/16
WVU 8/16
UCR 8/16
LSU NOLA 8/17
Dell Medical School 8/17
Tuft 8/17
Creighton 8/17
University of Iowa 8/17
Mayo Clinic Arizona 8/17
University of Toledo 8/20
Carilion Clinic-Virginia Tech 8/22
Florida Atlantic University 8/23
Nassau Univ Med Program 8/23
University of Kentucky 8/24
St. Louis University School of Medicine 8/27
UCSF Fresno 8/27
Christiana Care 8/28
University of Tennessee-Knoxville 8/29
St Elizabeth Brighton 8/29
Mt Sinai (Brooklyn) 8/31
Einstein Philadelphia 8/31
Ascension St. John 8/31
University of Arkansas 8/31
East Carolina/ VCU 9/12
Northside Hospital, Florida 9/13
Howard University 9/13
MSU 10/8

IMG Requiring Visa:
Geisinger medical center 7/20
Yale 7/19
Baylor College of Medicine Houston 7/25
SUNY Upstate 7/25
UT Houston 7/26
Montefiore Medical Center 7/26, 08/14
Loyola University Chicago 7/26
U Mass 7/26
Columbia 7/30
Spectrum health 8/1
UVA 8/2, 07/31
Duke 8/4
Georgetown/Washington Hospital Center 8/6
Tulane 8/6
University of Kentucky 8/7
University of Louisville 8/7
Palmetto Health USC SOM 8/8
MetroHealth/CWRU 8/8
Univ of Nebraska 8/8
Hopkins 8/8
MUSC 8/9
MCW 8/9, 08/14
Wash U 8/9
HenryFord Hospital 8/9
USF 8/9
Ohio State University
Morehouse School of Medicine 8/13
Univ of Maryland 8/13
Cleveland Clinic 8/13
Univ. of Michigan 8/13
Univ of Chicago North Shore 8/13
Rutgers Robert Wood Johnson 8/13
University of Hawaii 08/02, 8/13
Loma Linda 08/13
Mayo Rochester 8/13
Allegheny general 8/14
WVU 8/15
Univ Cincinnati 8/17
WMC/NYMC 8/17
Creighton University 8/17
Univ of Minnesota 8/17
Vanderbilt 8/17
University of Iowa 8/17
Mayo Clinic Arizona 8/17
UCLA 8/17
University of Connecticut - Farmington 8/17
University of Pittsburgh- 8/20
Charleston Area Medical Center/WVU 8/20
MGH 8/20
University of Southern Illinois 8/21
Summa Health 8/23
Jackson Memorial Hospital 8/24
University of Washington, Seattle 8/24
Lankenau Medical Center 8/24
University of Colorado 8/27
Christiana Care 8/28
Providence Hospital, Michigan 8/28
NYU 8/28
Marshall University College of Medicine 8/28
St Elizabeth Brighton 8/29
University of Miami Miller School of Medicine 8/29
UNLV 8/29
Mayo Clinic Florida 8/30
John H. Stroger Hospital of Cook County 9/4
University of Kansas Medical Center 9/4
University of Miami Jackson Memorial 9/4
University of Cooper Hospital 9/5
Advocate Illinois Masonic Medical Center 9/5
Danbury 9/11
Detroit Medical Center/Wayne State University 9/18
CCF Florida 9/25
TTUHSC Lubbock 10/5

Waitlist:
Boston U 8/7
Hopkins 8/8
Cornell 8/9
U Mass 8/15
Brown 8/15
Penn State 8/20
East Carolina/Vidant 9/26

Acknowledgments:
Newark Beth Israel 8/13
Southern Illinois University 8/29

Rejections:
Vidant 7/23
Columbia 7/30
University of Chicago 8/2, 8/15
Boston University 8/6
Duke 8/8
University of Nebraska 8/8
Georgetown University/MedStar Washington 8/14
Beaumont Hospital, Royal Oak 8/14
Indiana University 8/14
Medical College of Wisconsin 8/15
Brown 8/15
Texas A&M Scott and White 8/15
Kaiser San Francisco Medical Center 8/15
UC San Diego 8/16
Orange Park Medical Center Program 08/16
University of Florida - Jacksonville 8/16
U Mass 8/16
UTMB 08/17
Harbor UCLA 8/17
Rush 8/20
Geisinger 8/20
Loma Linda 8/20
Penn State Milton S Hershey 8/20
BWH 8/21
U Wisconsin 8/21
Wash U 8/22
West Virginia University 8/23
Mayo Rochester 8/23
Creighton University 8/24
BIDMC 8/24
University of Washington 8/24
University of Texas at Austin Dell 8/24
MGH 8/27
UCSF 8/28
UT Southwestern 8/28
University of Colorado 8/28
OSU 8/29
University of Michigan 8/30
LSU 9/4
University of Kansas 9/5
Marshall University 9/12
UF Jacksonville 9/13
University of Buffalo 9/13
UCLA 9/13
Northwestern 9/14
University of Arizona 9/17
University of Southern California 9/17
University of South Florida Morsani 9/18
St. Elizabeth's 9/18
Danbury 9/18
Baylor Dallas 9/18
Aventura Hospital 9/19
University of Tennessee 9/20
Vanderbilt 9/20
University of Illinois at Chicago 9/20
Cook County 9/24
University of Kentucky Bowling Green 9/24
University of Pittsburgh Medical Center 9/27
University of Maryland 9/28
University of Louisville 10/1
University of Minnesota 10/5
CCF Ohio 10/8
Westchester 10/8

 

[IMreshopeful]

My experience with physician-scientists have been different. They are very smart people and seem to excel both in research and clinical, atleast from what I have seen. Academic programs mostly have high volume and so far what I have seen is that big names have more than enough numbers for everything. I thought the same as you mentioned, but I found that to be incorrect. Bottom line big places have excellent didactic, they invite experts in each field to deliver lectures etc. Always aim for a big name, as that name will stay with you for the rest of your professional life; and they will provide you with most up-to-date evidence based learning. I do agree that making a career in academics is much tougher than private practice, though you stay relevant in the field. I do not think most of the research published in big journals is useless; all of this adds to a pool of knowledge which is essential to design more comprehensive prospective studies.

Lot of faculty I’ve met who are physician scientists are utterly atrocious clinically if they spend most of their time in a research lab. Those who spend most of their time doing clinical work with some research tend to be much better clinically.

Didactics I find useless at this point. If I have to sit through another grand rounds about some new genetic study on X or Y or on some protein then that seems like a terrible use of time. Some lectures might be good - these can usually be found at any program with good clinical teaching

High volume =\= good fellow experience if you can’t take advantage of it and spend most of your time doing five years of research which is meaningless towards a career in PP which is ultimately what most people do. I interviewed at some brand name programs which had very low clinical volumes and touted their research heavily - immediate red flag. Yes there are many academic programs with a good balance but you have to be wary of the “top” ones (particularly the Harvard ones) as you cannot sustain a non academic career after if that’s what you choose

 

[AMST]

Anyone here willing to swap the interview date for Michigan State University? Mine is 11/01/2018.
Pls let me know. Thanks in advance!

 

[Livsal2018]

Hey guys, really appreciate your thought about these programs.

UofRochester, UNC, USC, USF, Temple, Jefferson, Mayo AZ, Beaumont.

Goals: Looking at Advanced Echo/Imaging or HF/Transplant.

University of North Carolina and Mayo Clinic Arizona has a big name. Is it Thomas Jefferson in PA?, if it is that's a really good program.

 

[throwaway1939]

My experience with physician-scientists have been different. They are very smart people and seem to excel both in research and clinical, atleast from what I have seen. Academic programs mostly have high volume and so far what I have seen is that big names have more than enough numbers for everything. I thought the same as you mentioned, but I found that to be incorrect. Bottom line big places have excellent didactic, they invite experts in each field to deliver lectures etc. Always aim for a big name, as that name will stay with you for the rest of your professional life; and they will provide you with most up-to-date evidence based learning. I do agree that making a career in academics is much tougher than private practice, though you stay relevant in the field. I do not think most of the research published in big journals is useless; all of this adds to a pool of knowledge which is essential to design more comprehensive prospective studies.

I never advocated not doing fellowship at an academic center (although as others have said, it needs to at the right one that emphasizes clinical excellence). Nor did I advocate against going into academics. My point was that you need to have a real plan (eg 100% committed to T32 to K to R pathway with XYZ researcher because of his/her success in getting juniors funded) when you commit to academics, otherwise you'll just be clinician faculty earning half of what you should be and getting no respect from the University system because you don't contribute anything to the brand. You think BWH gives a **** about the in-the-trenches nephrologist who doesn't do any research (hint they don't, pay is ca 100k).

 

[mm3794]

For me the best part ( and I only do clinical research projects) about research is you get to remember most of literature (land mark trials etc.) when you work in specific area of your interest. I guess clinical research and clinical practice go hand in hand as usually you create your research questions on seeing patients. It also gets you better at critically reviewing the literature and as mentioned retrospective studies (properly done) do become an impetus for randomized trials in future.

 

[Applicant_2018]

I never advocated not doing fellowship at an academic center (although as others have said, it needs to at the right one that emphasizes clinical excellence). Nor did I advocate against going into academics. My point was that you need to have a real plan (eg 100% committed to T32 to K to R pathway with XYZ researcher because of his/her success in getting juniors funded) when you commit to academics, otherwise you'll just be clinician faculty earning half of what you should be and getting no respect from the University system because you don't contribute anything to the brand. You think BWH gives a **** about the in-the-trenches nephrologist who doesn't do any research (hint they don't, pay is ca 100k).

That's True !

 

[ghccc]

any insight regarding ochsner clinic, UT houston programs?