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I've always wanted to start one of these...So here we go!
My stats:
M2
Test time: June 2018
Goal score: 270
My stats:
M2
Test time: June 2018
Goal score: 270
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It's simply not realistic for the vast majority of people to memorize every single word of a 700+ word review book. But doing so would constitute an interesting experiment, offering insight into the percentage of step 1 questions that are covered by first aid. I curious as to whether memorizing firstaid - and understanding the concepts therein - would net a 265 or 270. Surely test-taking skills must influence performance as well, though. How have your latest practice tests gone?
It sounds like you've basically mastered the content, but suboptimal test-taking skills are preventing you from achieving extremely high scores. Best advice I can give is to read every question and answer choice slowly and carefully, paying careful attention to words such as "increase," "decrease," "higher," "lower," etc. Make sure you understand exactly what the question is asking and the answer choice is saying before you choose one. Double and triple check all questions involving arithmetic. Of course, to be extra careful when reading questions, you'll need to be able to reason and use logic quickly, in order to finish with enough time.Well, I got a 262 on UWSA1 today, which I am not too thrilled about because it is my understanding that UWSA1 tends to over-predict. Interestingly, the vast majority of my incorrects were extremely careless errors. For example, there was one question where they gave you the pO2 in the different chambers of the heart, and you had to simply identify that there was an ASD (a very easy problem which I solved many, many times in different q banks), but I assumed they were giving chamber pressure (also measured in mm Hg), thus turning it into an unintelligible problem...In another question, it asked for the location of the slowest segment of the cardiac conduction system, and I misread it as asking for the fastest. Another one was a simple biostats arithmetic error that my 8 year-old nephew could solve.
I don't know if I should be glad that I don't have any content knowledge deficiencies or if I should be discouraged that I am continuing to make the most idiotically careless errors.
And in regard to your comment, I honestly feel that my knowledge of FA at this point approaches 99%+. In addition to fully maturing Zanki, which was already extremely comprehensive to begin with, I went through FA page by page and made additional cards of every single detail that I was unfamiliar with (i.e. not covered in Zanki, which surprisingly came out to hundreds of cards), including things that most people never even see, like a 1 word label of an obscure enzyme in a diagram that needs to be searched on Wikipedia (e.g. protein kinase R on page 201).
Indeed, my threshold for deciding what to memorize is extremely low. It's only things like the Kozak consensus sequence being (gcc)gccRccAUGG (from UW) that I really hesitate on. However, when it comes to FA, I am confident I will be able to tell you with extreme accuracy what % of my exam could be answered with FA.
Do you guys think it's overkill to memorize every detail in UWorld? For example, I just encountered a question in UWSA1 where the explanations for the wrong choices go into several uncommon porphyrias, such as variegate porphyria and congenital erythropoietic porphyria. Judging by the fact that most people balk at even memorizing the details of FA, I am pretty sure that 99.9% of people aren't trying to learn the uber-minutiae of UW. Even I skipped these minutiae on my first pass months ago, but now, 2 weeks out from the big day, I am trying my hardest to memorize every last word on my second pass. Usually each question will contain at least one esoteric gem, usually buried in the explanations for the wrong choices. I highly doubt these will show up on my test, but then again you always hear about those "wtf questions" and the so-called "experimental questions" (which, on test day, will be indistinguishable from really random, difficult questions that actually do count).
Well, I got a 262 on UWSA1 today, which I am not too thrilled about because it is my understanding that UWSA1 tends to over-predict. Interestingly, the vast majority of my incorrects were extremely careless errors. For example, there was one question where they gave you the pO2 in the different chambers of the heart, and you had to simply identify that there was an ASD (a very easy problem which I solved many, many times in different q banks), but I assumed they were giving chamber pressure (also measured in mm Hg), thus turning it into an unintelligible problem...In another question, it asked for the location of the slowest segment of the cardiac conduction system, and I misread it as asking for the fastest. Another one was a simple biostats arithmetic error that my 8 year-old nephew could solve.
I don't know if I should be glad that I don't have any content knowledge deficiencies or if I should be discouraged that I am continuing to make the most idiotically careless errors.
And in regard to your comment, I honestly feel that my knowledge of FA at this point approaches 99%+. In addition to fully maturing Zanki, which was already extremely comprehensive to begin with, I went through FA page by page and made additional cards of every single detail that I was unfamiliar with (i.e. not covered in Zanki, which surprisingly came out to hundreds of cards), including things that most people never even see, like a 1 word label of an obscure enzyme in a diagram that needs to be searched on Wikipedia (e.g. protein kinase R on page 201).
Indeed, my threshold for deciding what to memorize is extremely low. It's only things like the Kozak consensus sequence being (gcc)gccRccAUGG (from UW) that I really hesitate on. However, when it comes to FA, I am confident I will be able to tell you with extreme accuracy what % of my exam could be answered with FA.
Let’s not forget that UWorld knows it is teaching thousands of students medicine. The NBME, AMA, etc. all know that the process of studying for and preparing for STEP is in itself teaching medicine.
I keep this in mind when encountering random factoids as you guys have referenced (UWorld etc.).
is there a consistent weakness that you have??? your best bet is to work on nothing but weak areasJust finished nbme 18 myself today. It's frustrating to do these and not see your score go up.
nbme 13 - 209
nbme 15 - 236
nbme 16 - 223
nbme 17 - 230
nbme 18 - 230
Does this mean I'll probably not even break 230 on the real thing
Just finished nbme 18 myself today. It's frustrating to do these and not see your score go up.
nbme 13 - 209
nbme 15 - 236
nbme 16 - 223
nbme 17 - 230
nbme 18 - 230
Does this mean I'll probably not even break 230 on the real thing
I focused on UWorld and made Anki cards for everything I didn’t already know. I used Zanki (and kept up with all reviews from day one), so I didn’t feel the need to review FA, Pathoma, or sketchy again.
Was there a point that you stopped doing Zanki before step?
I stopped with not much time left before step because I thought my time was better spent reviewing weak areas rather than focus on 900+ Zanki cards.. my deck is like 95% mature at least. Hopefully this decision doesn't hurt me.
is there a consistent weakness that you have??? your best bet is to work on nothing but weak areas
also second what @The.Supinator said and when is your exam?
Yeah, I am realizing now that UWorld actually contains a staggering amount of detail. I am starting to wonder if all those people who claim they had topics on their tests that "weren't in UFAP" actually just didn't read UWorld carefully enough. Seriously, adenine phosphoribosyltransferase deficiency? I bet if you ask the average person who finished UW what that is, they wouldn't know or would think it wasn't ever mentioned, but in reality it's right there in the answer explanations for a Lesch-Nyhan question, plain as day. I think what people actually mean when they say that something "wasn't in UW" is that it wasn't featured as a primary learning objective of one of the ~2500 questions.
This is really creating a conundrum for me in terms of my remaining study time. Part of me wants to keep doing this slow, methodical second pass, but as any reasonable person would be, I am also filled with doubt that I may in fact just be wasting my time when in reality the test will just be a giant high-yield buzzword fest provided you learned all the main UW objectives + FA-level detail.
I kept up with all of the reviews until my test day, never skipped a day. I just figured if it’s gotten me this far, why stop now? My review count was only ~600/day by the end though, I might have changed my strategy if I was in the 900’sWas there a point that you stopped doing Zanki before step?
I stopped with not much time left before step because I thought my time was better spent reviewing weak areas rather than focus on 900+ Zanki cards.. my deck is like 95% mature at least. Hopefully this decision doesn't hurt me.
I think the power of Anki comes from doing it every day - consistently - for long term retention. Probably not worth trying to pick it back up so close to your test date, instead use it to make cards for everything you come across in qbanks that you don’t know.Ah, that explains it. I wish I kept up with Zanki. I've matured almost all of it. Not sure if its worth maybe picking a deck a day and doing it, maybe just the pathology decks? Been struggling with this because Zanki was a huge part of my study routine for my school exams and that always allowed me to perform well. Any thoughts?
I have to chime in and share my experience with this. I took the test about 4 weeks ago and scored a 259 (posted my experience a few pages back).Yeah, I am realizing now that UWorld actually contains a staggering amount of detail. I am starting to wonder if all those people who claim they had topics on their tests that "weren't in UFAP" actually just didn't read UWorld carefully enough. Seriously, adenine phosphoribosyltransferase deficiency? I bet if you ask the average person who finished UW what that is, they wouldn't know or would think it wasn't ever mentioned, but in reality it's right there in the answer explanations for a Lesch-Nyhan question, plain as day. I think what people actually mean when they say that something "wasn't in UW" is that it wasn't featured as a primary learning objective of one of the ~2500 questions.
This is really creating a conundrum for me in terms of my remaining study time. Part of me wants to keep doing this slow, methodical second pass, but as any reasonable person would be, I am also filled with doubt that I may in fact just be wasting my time when in reality the test will just be a giant high-yield buzzword fest provided you learned all the main UW objectives + FA-level detail.
I have to chime in and share my experience with this. I took the test about 4 weeks ago and scored a 259 (posted my experience a few pages back).
I have a crazy ability to remember peculiar details (UWorld) over short periods of time (weeks to months). I also have a really good memory when it comes to recalling questions and all answer choices on a test for questions I was not sure on.
On my test, I instantly could recognize a true "WTF" question that had not ever shown up in any UFAP area, even as a minute detail in UWorld. I verified these questions at home after the test and could not find the answers anywhere. For these kinds of questions, you just have to remember we all prepare with the same resources so if it wasn't in UFAP odds are most others are missing it so it truly won't affect your score much by missing the question.
Secondly, I want to discuss this whole "memorize every word of first aid" thing. While I was taking my exam, I had this overwhelming feeling of "I could have studied another month and it would have been a complete waste of time". I can count on one hand the number of difficult WTF questions that were truly random factoids that came up once in school or were a single line in first aid. To be honest, I only had 80-90% of first aid memorized, and even that was a bit overboard.
If you prepared well, which most people on here have exceeded, you will get the 4 out of 5 easy questions correct if you trust your gut and don't second guess, which I would estimate gets you to the low 240s. The remaining 1 out of 5 questions I feel like is the most controversial on this site. I strongly believe these questions cannot be adequately prepared for by studying more, memorizing more lines in first aid, or adding additional resources to your study plan. These 250+ defining questions are purely testing your ability to interpret information and think critically.
These 1 out of 5 questions are all the questions I went home and wrote down and spent days googling and looking through UFAP to see what made them so difficult. An overwhelming majority of these questions were pure thinking questions: take a very basic process and test whether you really understand it. The remaining few were not found in UFAP, and for these I wouldn't sweat them at all. There really aren't many on the test.
What I'm trying to say is, I think people on here make a big flaw by thinking that more studying/memorizing more small facts is what will push them into the 250+ range. While this may work for a minority of people, I want to assure those people with a methodical, logical, and well-developed thinking style that that alone combined with adequate preparation at home will be enough to succeed on test day.
I did not pass through first aid 3 times trying to memorize. Each pass of first aid was to test my understanding. If I understood everything on the page, I moved on. I promise this was enough for me on test day.
I would focus on biostat the most, it will give you the best return on investment of time at this point5 days from now. Looking at my nbme breakdowns, the only real section where I’m consistently bad is stats. Asides from that, it’s probably cell bio/biochem/genetics - I can never figure out what exactly they’re asking for if they ask me for some DNA related mechanism or if I get some TCA cycle question. I have those scheduled tomorrow and then nbme 19 on Tuesday
Yeah, I am realizing now that UWorld actually contains a staggering amount of detail. I am starting to wonder if all those people who claim they had topics on their tests that "weren't in UFAP" actually just didn't read UWorld carefully enough. Seriously, adenine phosphoribosyltransferase deficiency? I bet if you ask the average person who finished UW what that is, they wouldn't know or would think it wasn't ever mentioned, but in reality it's right there in the answer explanations for a Lesch-Nyhan question, plain as day. I think what people actually mean when they say that something "wasn't in UW" is that it wasn't featured as a primary learning objective of one of the ~2500 questions.
This is really creating a conundrum for me in terms of my remaining study time. Part of me wants to keep doing this slow, methodical second pass, but as any reasonable person would be, I am also filled with doubt that I may in fact just be wasting my time when in reality the test will just be a giant high-yield buzzword fest provided you learned all the main UW objectives + FA-level detail.
I had similar experiences to the last two posters.
I found my exam to be frankly underwhelming but also disconcerting given how many absolute gimmes i saw.
It felt like 70% of all the questions were stuff that everybody knew, and while I felt like I knew most of them, im worried about the unforgiving curve to come.
The hard questions I encountered where mostly asking about an obvious disease process but wanting either some factoid that the typical student doesn't learn to link to the disease, or they wanted you to explain the mechanism of disease by linking it to another physiologic concept that you don't usually consider as linked. For these 'hard' questions I felt like it took mostly test-taking skills + critical thinking to figure out.
I did UWorld once, pathoma maybe 1.5x, sketchy micro but not pharm, most of BB and a small amount of Zanki.
I didn't read First Aid and given that I already knew the gimmes, giving it a full read wouldn't have significantly affected my score.
(the most challenging section for me was actually the behavioral stuff, which showed up more often than anyone would have thought - FA wouldn't have really helped for this either - the scenarios in FA are all too obvious)
Overall I felt that the exam was definitely fair if unfortunately too 'easy' in that there were too much gimmes a la old NMBEs.
I also recognized at least 2 questions and a couple of images.
My practice scores towards the end were around the low 250s, 90% on Free120
I don't think I would have done anything differently looking back. The exam felt like a combo of NBME and UWorld, with a couple of super vague/difficult questions per block. I flagged about 9-10 per block and the break times were more than plenty.
I don't regret not doing SketchyPharm and not reading FA.
How were your NBMEs and how much did you end up with?
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NBME15 (baseline 8ish weeks out)--237
Free 120 (3 weeks out)--88%
NBME 19 (one week out)--246
Real deal--263
I had a very similar experience. Test felt too easy...turns out I did well and you probably will too. Sketchy and FA are overrated, didn't use them either.
What was your dedicated period like then?just UWorld?
Got my score back the other day and home from vacation now so here's my write up...
NBME15 (baseline 8ish weeks out)--237
Free 120 (3 weeks out)--88%
NBME 19 (one week out)--246
Real deal--263
I was honestly shocked to see my score. My goal was a 250 and I never dreamed of breaking into the 260s! I've already discussed my test day experience but to recap--felt just like an NBME, very similar to 19. I must have been very lucky in retrospect because there were no major surprises and I felt like I could reason through all the questions.
Resources used (in order of importance)
Uworld--nothing groundbreaking to say here. Did a first pass before dedicated which was helpful for me (69% first pass). About 1/2 was alongside of my organ system blocks, the other half I did random mode in the months leading up to dedicated. I did not take notes or anything the first pass. Second pass during dedicated I did 60-80 questions per day, mostly random tutor mode. Second pass was 84%. I took some notes which I compiled in Excel...but nothing too crazy because I forced myself to write them in my own words without looking at Uworld. This helped solidify things. I did not do any flashcards for Uworld. I did some of my incorrects during the week of my test, especially the hated topics of biochem and neuro.
Firecracker--I could do a really long, in depth discussion of this resource but I will keep it short here and just say that I feel this is hands down the best review resource out there. It is absolutely the most comprehensive without being too detailed. It is NOT simply first aid in flashcard format (I thought this until I actually used FA a little bit lol). There are really good explanations of topics not found anywhere else that helps you not have to memorize as much (understanding mechanism and the "why" behind stuff). I used it extensively alongside classes, and I did a lot of flashcards during dedicated. I also read through topics and used it like a review book which was helpful, but forced recall is undoubtedly the way to go if you can make the time for it. 1000% would do firecracker again, worth every penny.
Goljan--discovered this gem about 2/3 through my organ system curriculum. The beauty of this book is that Goljan explains the mechanism behind just about everything--there are so soooo many "ah hah" moments where you finally get to fully understand something you have tried to rote memorize in the past. For me, I think the key to my score was memorizing as little as possible, and trying to get as much information/mechanism as I could to stick long-term. Goljan was absolutely key for this!! (but doing questions is better/just as important...). I read through all the organ system chapters in Goljan 2-3x during dedicated, and the basic science stuff 1.5x. I was really kicking myself for not having started the basic science stuff earlier because there is some GOLD in there...overall this was a great resource for me and the most enjoyable to read/use.
All other resources were used sporadically/minimally:
Pathoma: watched on the treadmill, alongside classes and during dedicated. For dedicated I only watched chapters that I was weak on (like breast cancers, bone tumors, blood cancers, glomerulopathies, etc). I also did the foundational (first three chapters stuff) more in depth because I was very weak on this stuff and it kept coming up in NBMEs.
Rx Qbank: Did probably 80-90% alongside my classes. Honestly a very solid Qbank that helps drill in the most important concepts and facts. I did a few blocks in some of my weaker areas during dedicated (a good bit of neuro).
First Aid: Did not like the formatting/content of this book at all...Just was not working for me. I think I need more than just bullet points and phrases to engage my brain...That being said, I did one pass through the basic science section in the 3 days before my test, and having done a lot of questions at that point I was able to make more connections and engage my brain a little better. But it really freaked me out when I would come across random facts and stuff that I felt like I didn't know or had not seen before (FA has plenty of LOW YIELD crap that was never in Uworld, NBME, other resoruces, etc...). Moral of the story is YOU DO NOT HAVE TO USE THIS BOOK IF YOU DONT LIKE IT!!!
Robbins Qbank and text: Used extensively alongside classes. Time would have been better spend with GOLJAN (although the questions were probably pretty helpful, but a lot are on random diseases and crap that never comes up again).
Overall, the most important things for me were understanding mechanisms behind stuff (without going too crazy here) so that I could memorize as little as possible. Most of this was done alongside my classes and just refreshed in dedicated. I also had a really, really positive attitude on test day and totally pumped myself up! (test day soundtrack--We Are The Champions, We Will Rock you, A Country Boy Can Survive, etc...)
During classes I always did reasonably well but was nowhere near the top (except on one or two blocks like micro). I usually got low A's on test or high Bs. I actually completely stopped listening to lectures during my last semester and would only read through the powerpoints maybe twice or three times...AFTER having read the textbooks. I spent a ton of time during classes reading books, doing flashcards (firecracker), and doing practice questions. I realized that doing the lecture deal took the longest and was the least helpful for me...so I prioritized accordingly.
My goal in med school has always been to just learn stuff well, and the fields I'm interested in do not require a high step score. This allowed me to break away from the UFAPs mantra and lectures, which was a major risk in my mind but absolutely paid off. Good luck to everyone studying for this beast!!!!
Didn't you already take your exam or am I thinking of someone else?
PS. How long do you dedicate to your cards per day/ do you also read FA at all along during the day?
I reviewed it the night before my beast, and there were at least ten questions that came from it that I actually didn’t know until I read it. I’d say that is a helpful thing to review the night before. It also kinda tests your preparation to use it like flash cards to see if you know it or not.To anyone that has already taken Step, how useful was the Rapid Review section at the back of First Aid?
Did anyone find it helpful for the real deal?
I would focus on biostat the most, it will give you the best return on investment of time at this point
your doing well in other subjects, its that rough NBME curve that's makes it seem like you have other weaknesses, but ya hit up biostat, do the uworld biostat form, the extra one, that is super helpful.Yeah, I agree. I spent some time today looking at my spread across all the exams and I think just spending an entire day or so on cranking out stats would probably be the best thing to do with the 5 days I have left. I'm basically trying to scrape as many points as I can at this point. I got the UWorld Biostats review and I'm planning on watching the Boards & Beyond videos on this stuff. This is the rest of my spread though and I could probably spend some time on stats as well by the looks of it.
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The ethics questions on this one were pretty wonky too.
Yes!!! Was NBME 17 the one where there was a question with a patient who asks the doctor if it's bad news, and the answer was "yes, it is."??
Yes!!! Was NBME 17 the one where there was a question with a patient who asks the doctor if it's bad news, and the answer was "yes, it is."??
That question made me lol during my review because I kept getting dinged all year in our doctoring class for not being empathetic enough and when I go and choose the empathetic answer, nbme tells me "nah, you should just get to the point"
Would anyone be receiving scores this week or are we all waiting on July 11th?
That question made me lol during my review because I kept getting dinged all year in our doctoring class for not being empathetic enough and when I go and choose the empathetic answer, nbme tells me "nah, you should just get to the point"
SPIKES protocol my friends, if he's asking what is it, you're already at the I stage. Next is K. Tell him!
I just googled that and I'm mindblown that never has this been mentioned in my 2 years in school! And it's not in first aid!
I know that people say the curve for NBME 19 is harsher, but how does it compare question difficulty wise to NBME 17?
Moderately easier, I would say. My experience in NBME difficulty (from hardest to easiest would be 18>13>17>19. Of course the curve on 19 is atrocious because of that.
Not that it's super important or even beneficial to worry so much about curves and difficulty levels, but just to satisfy my curiosity, what was your overall take on 18? What types of things made it hard? Did they ask a lot of questions out of nowhere, or were they just harder than some of the really quick/easy questions on other NBMEs and instead more like UWorld?
Also, for those that took the exam, how relevant were ECG and heart sounds. I obviously am going to review them but was just wondering how "how yield" those were
I’d like to know tooWould anyone be receiving scores this week or are we all waiting on July 11th?
It was a bit ago but I think it had a fair mix of basic science/interepret the meaning of x type questions that you couldn't necessarily study for, also harder ethics questions. In the end it was fine, but definitely less first order "name the dx/what is a likely complication" questions that they like to ask that could probably be answered straight from Pathoma.Not that it's super important or even beneficial to worry so much about curves and difficulty levels, but just to satisfy my curiosity, what was your overall take on 18? What types of things made it hard? Did they ask a lot of questions out of nowhere, or were they just harder than some of the really quick/easy questions on other NBMEs and instead more like UWorld?
Just finished NBME 19. I kind of misinterpreted the reason that everyone scores so low on 19, I thought it was because the test was so hard. Turns out it's just an easier NBME and therefore has a tough curve.
So now that I'm done with all my practice tests, my final scores are:
NBME 13: 234
CBSE: 248
UWSA1: 258
UWSA2: 256
NBME 15: 263
NBME 16: 261
NBME 17: 257
NBME 18: 255
NBME 19: 255
I'm pretty happy with that. Just a little confused though because it seems like on SDN everyone's NBME 19 score seems to way under-predict, but when I look at the self assessment/step 1 correlation thing on Reddit, a 255 on NBME 19 pretty much correlates to a 255 on the real thing. I guess 19 gets more predictive with higher scores?