USMLE Official 2018 Step 1 Experiences and Scores Thread

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Now that we're on the question of practice tests, can someone recommend me what test to take tomorrow?

I took NBME 13 at the start and got a 209. Now I'm three weeks out. Should I take USWA1 tomorrow and then maybe NBME 15 on Monday?

EDIT: Also just had an MI reading the past few posts, but thanks to everyone definitely feel better 🙂 Good group here.

Depends on whether a lower score will throw your game at this point in your prep. Agreed with Lannister that the UWSAs are going to help you a lot more with content explanations and should go first. I didn't do NBME 15 - perhaps someone who did can speak to that one? NBME 19 feels easy, but has a miserable curve and will stomp your confidence, so I'd get that one out of the way early relative to the other NBMEs. 17 and 18 should probably be your tune-up exams before the real deal. I'd say most of the questions that looked familiar from my exam, were from 17 and 18.
 
Does this resemble some of the questions on the exam that's freaking everyone out
Well played, friend. That and figuring out how to get from DNA to mRNA back to cDNA and predicting alterations in the polypeptide made from the mRNA made from the new cDNA. Thanks for the laugh. :laugh::laugh::laugh:
 
I think that's a good plan. To me it makes more sense to take the UWSAs earlier, as you get answer explanations. So you can learn a lot more content from them versus NBMEs.

Depends on whether a lower score will throw your game at this point in your prep. Agreed with Lannister that the UWSAs are going to help you a lot more with content explanations and should go first. I didn't do NBME 15 - perhaps someone who did can speak to that one? NBME 19 feels easy, but has a miserable curve and will stomp your confidence, so I'd get that one out of the way early relative to the other NBMEs. 17 and 18 should probably be your tune-up exams before the real deal. I'd say most of the questions that looked familiar from my exam, were from 17 and 18.

Okay sounds good to me. I think that makes good sense too. I'll maybe do 17 and 18 then the weak before my exam? Perhaps like a Monday and Friday (then my exam would be the following Friday)? I do want to do as many tests as I can because I feel my content knowledge isn't too bad, I just am not the best test taker.

Edit: Also I'm thinking of Saving USWA2 for another week because I heard its a good predictor. Yay/Nay? Should I just go ahead and get this one done. Maybe it'll tell me where I actually stand?
 
Okay sounds good to me. I think that makes good sense too. I'll maybe do 17 and 18 then the weak before my exam? Perhaps like a Monday and Friday (then my exam would be the following Friday)? I do want to do as many tests as I can because I feel my content knowledge isn't too bad, I just am not the best test taker.

Edit: Also I'm thinking of Saving USWA2 for another week because I heard its a good predictor. Yay/Nay? Should I just go ahead and get this one done. Maybe it'll tell me where I actually stand?

18 (2 or 1.5 weeks out) then 17 (1 week out) along with UWSA2 (3-4 days out).
 
Edit: Also I'm thinking of Saving USWA2 for another week because I heard its a good predictor. Yay/Nay? Should I just go ahead and get this one done. Maybe it'll tell me where I actually stand?

I think there's a lot of varying opinions about this and there's probably no wrong answer. I chose to take UWSA2 earlier for the same reason I mentioned above: more content review. I decided that I would prefer to use it as a learning tool rather than a predictor.
 
Well played, friend. That and figuring out how to get from DNA to mRNA back to cDNA and predicting alterations in the polypeptide made from the mRNA made from the new cDNA. Thanks for the laugh. :laugh::laugh::laugh:


Speaking of molecular biochemistry, do you think that the section in FA is enough.. I personally am TERRIBLE with all of that along with metabolism and have been avoiding it. If you have other good resources lmK!
 
Speaking of molecular biochemistry, do you think that the section in FA is enough.. I personally am TERRIBLE with all of that along with metabolism and have been avoiding it. If you have other good resources lmK!

The general feeling I get is my test was the minority, not the norm, but biochem was the hardest hit topic on my exam as far as non-UFAP material. There were also many "wtf?" questions that would have been more manageable with a strong biochem background. I remember looking up stuff after my test and so many of the random questions that began with "A researcher has designed an experiment..." were actually known biochem pathways. I don't think they actually expected you to have learned them, but they would have been a lot easier to navigate through if I had spent more time on biochem; if that makes sense.
 
You have to chill with these posts. I understand that you're stressed and venting, but there are hundreds of people reading these threads, a lot of whom are currently in dedicated that are looking for motivation, confidence, and a clear mind. Your posts are doing nothing to help the users who are about to sit for their exam, or the users waiting to get their scores back. I have read through hundreds of pages of posts from step threads over the past few years, and I have never read a report of a person even coming close to dropping 50 points from their NBME average. Your friend's experience is an unbelievably rare incident.

I guarantee that you will score within a few points of your NBME average and UWSA2 score, just as the other 99.9% of posters who feel that they bombed the exam do.
This is a valid point, and I think maybe I'm conveying the wrong tone here with my posts. Honestly yes I'm pissed about my friend. I'm surprised about my other friends' scores, and yes I was venting about that. However, this test has been given for years and it's way more likely that the few experiences within my friend group are outliers. I'm sorry if I'm causing anyone anxiety as that wasn't my intent.

I'm honestly not that concerned about my own score. I'm not just venting here for myself. I felt as though the NBMEs were far more representative of what I worked my butt off for with this exam, so yeah I'm still a little weird about it since I can't see the reasoning behind making the sports of changes they made. I guess I also felt like my friend's story needed to be told. These statistical outliers are exactly that: statistical outliers. My intent was for people to know that they do exist, however rare, and that this test has victims, so maybe think twice before judging someone by their score alone. My heart was reaching out to a guy who is currently on a medicine service texting me from the bathroom about how he's pretended he's got the runs today to hide his frequent panic attacks/anxiety spells. That's a living nightmare. But harping on and on about it is not productive. To anyone reading this: it won't happen to you just like you won't get struck by lightning on your way to the testing center. I've never heard of another case of a 50 point drop.

Someone asked about the style of questions, let me try to be helpful for once.

1) Questions were longer overall. This was the biggy for me as I read slowly. I'd typically finish UWorld sets at 45-48 minutes and check over answers until the timer ran out. On the real deal I think I averaged 5-7 minutes of check time, so it was flags only, which throws you off your game.

2) Questions were not meant to teach you anything, so of course they are different from UWorld. You're not going "okay, A represents MPGN, B is RPGN, etc..." It's more like, "I don't really recognize any of these pathological descriptions, which sounds most like MPGN? Maybe D? Okay we'll go with D." So you won't be eliminating all answers based on some solid factoid. Instead it's just that you'll be picking the best one. Of course POE still applies for most questions. Step just had a lot of the above relative to NBMEs.

3) Questions tested between the lines far more often than any practice materials. There's a lot of "most likely," going on, so you need some common sense. These were very vague, as sometimes you were wondering what makes one thing more likely than another. Is it overall prevalence? Risk factors? What if one answer is something common and the other answer is something that the patient has a risk factor for? Hard to answer those at the M2 level.

4) Few buzzwords, though there are more buzzword gimmes in there than anyone realizes because you fly through them.

5) More low yield than you'd expect from NBMEs. This includes non-FA anatomy or embryology, physio concepts from M1 that weren't emphasized since, etc... these questions will burn because you'll recognize them, but know that it was from some class lecture you blew off or have just forgotten.

6) Low yield within FA. The weird one-liners that never got their own UWorld question and you've likely never seen in an actual presentation before. The presentation is not always even the classic, so these were still tough in some cases, but doable if you know the disease.

7) Absolute nonsense. A small enough percentage of the test that you can effectively blow it off. Some of these are so insane they'll make you laugh. Hard to even come up with something comparable, but it would be on the order of showing you a frog's brainstem and asking you to identify an obscure nucleus. Maybe theoretically possible you could draw a comparison, but highly unlikely.

8) Lots of ethics, and far harder than NBMEs, which I found to be really easy compared to UWorld.

9) The classic "we didn't give you the information you'd always have in this workup, but here's one lab value" questions are prevalent.

Overall, I'm still not going to say it's a good test. I don't respect it so much because it wasn't a puzzle or complete clinical picture like UWorld. It was a lot of weird wording and obscure facts. It tested a lot of low yield, but 50% was still easily high yield resembling UWorld 60-70%ers. I stick by my statement that I think dedicated was helpful but not crucial if you're a Zanki/Bros user and you've got the basics down. This makes sense as most people who move the test up do well regardless of the missed studying. It really is just a broad, somewhat random sampling of your medical knowledge, but over 280 questions there is some evening out. Some people go way down or get bumped up, most don't. If you take anything from my post, it's don't freak out. You might get an easier form similar to NBMEs. You might get this new thing where they give you enormous paragraphs to read. It might be in between. Regardless, know thst most forms have some level of insanity so just buckle down and keep going.

Good luck everyone. I apologize for any heart attacks I may have caused.
 
Another question I had for those that are back from battle..

did you think that the micro section in FA with sketchy was enough.. a lot of friends telling me they had weird parasites/bugs and I am wondering how to best review.

I have been doing flashcards and uworld so far for micro and hasn't been a problem but have yet to look at sketchy or the micro section in FA which is why I am worried now.
 
Another question I had for those that are back from battle..

did you think that the micro section in FA with sketchy was enough.. a lot of friends telling me they had weird parasites/bugs and I am wondering how to best review.

I have been doing flashcards and uworld so far for micro and hasn't been a problem but have yet to look at sketchy or the micro section in FA which is why I am worried now.
Sketchy micro + FA is plenty, and there's always going to be a few bugs you don't recognize. I think a lot of people know sketchy up down and backwards, but blow off FA until later. There are a ton of bugs in FA not in sketchy, and also a ton of information regarding the principles of microbiology (e.g. lab tests, structures, characterization, etc...) that comes up in NBME material far more often than UWorld or other Qbanks.
 
Another question I had for those that are back from battle..

did you think that the micro section in FA with sketchy was enough.. a lot of friends telling me they had weird parasites/bugs and I am wondering how to best review.

I have been doing flashcards and uworld so far for micro and hasn't been a problem but have yet to look at sketchy or the micro section in FA which is why I am worried now.

I found Micro in general to be very low yield. I only had 7-8 total micro questions, about 5 of which could easily be answered with even a rudimentary understanding of sketchy. The remaining questions were so obscure that even the micro PhD at my school hadn't heard of the bugs; the amount of work it would take to get these questions right is not anywhere close to worth it.

I actually distinctly remember for one question (it still haunts my dreams over a year later) I had to read an article published in a German medical journal to find the answer. Searching said bug on pubmed returned zero hits. No idea who the **** thought this was clinically relevant.
 
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Well, I think I'm officially done with step studying! I'm nervous but I feel pretty at peace with everything at the moment. Regardless of the outcome, I feel like I've given it everything I have, and I'm proud of that. Gonna spend tomorrow baking and watching the Han Solo movie.

took me a while before I realized you meant like making cookies or whatever and not getting "baked" lol. Either way it should work out fine lol.
 
Decided to avoid coming back on here for a while for my own sake. I haven't gotten my score back, but yes the entire thing felt vague. UWorld felt solid. I felt like I was given enough time to think and enough information to give a good educated guess. The real deal felt unstable, like I was guessing and there was nothing I could really do (and not enough time) to really dig into the why.

A friend of mine got his back yesterday, had this same sort of feeling, and ended up, not kidding, 50+ points below his last NBME. He was devastated, and he deserved so much better than that. I didn't think that was even possible, but I think there are some super weird forms sitting out there right now, because another friend of mine got 20 points below practice.

I personally think they need to do a better job with this test. It's too important for the sort of stuff I saw them pull on my exam. Some really tricky, mean stuff, and huge variability among my friends in length of questions.

50 points below a recent NBME? sorry for your friend, but does that mean he failed, he went from like a 250 to a 200?, what was his last NBME?
 
Decided to avoid coming back on here for a while for my own sake. I haven't gotten my score back, but yes the entire thing felt vague. UWorld felt solid. I felt like I was given enough time to think and enough information to give a good educated guess. The real deal felt unstable, like I was guessing and there was nothing I could really do (and not enough time) to really dig into the why.

A friend of mine got his back yesterday, had this same sort of feeling, and ended up, not kidding, 50+ points below his last NBME. He was devastated, and he deserved so much better than that. I didn't think that was even possible, but I think there are some super weird forms sitting out there right now, because another friend of mine got 20 points below practice.

I personally think they need to do a better job with this test. It's too important for the sort of stuff I saw them pull on my exam. Some really tricky, mean stuff, and huge variability among my friends in length of questions.

I appreciate you getting back in here, even though I feel the same way now with wanting to stay away lol. Best of luck man and please keep me posted if you dont mind (i'm in the pooling period so its about to be forever). I really couldn't agree anymore as far as your analysis goes. Even if I score exceptionally well, I still think it was a poor representation of what I poured my heart in soul into over the last 2 years
 
Loooooong time lurker on this account coming out of the woodwork here. Just want to say that @ChordaEpiphany is definitely right when he says you won't experience a 50 point drop. It's exceedingly rare and no one has even mentioned the possibility at my school. However, I got my scores yesterday from taking it 5/7 during this "pooling period" and I'm crushed.

NBME 13 (Jan. 3): 167 (offline prior to finishing systems, but I looked up the general range afterwards)
NBME 15 (Mar. 9): 234
NBME 16 (Mar. 16): 241
NBME 17 (Mar. 30): 255
NBME 19 (Apr. 13): 250
NBME 18 (Apr. 20): 261
UWSA1 (Apr. 27): 271
UWSA2 (May 4): 260

Actual exam (May 7): 236

It's not a 50 point drop, but it feels like it right now. I knew the test went poorly. We had to wait a long time at the testing center and I got hungry and antzy for the first section. @BreakneckWalrus had the best description of the exam. Long stems. Vague answers. Vague questions.

Not trying to fear monger, but perhaps something is up with the way they are scoring this exam. My friends scored around NBME averages, but nearly all were slightly below where they expected to be. I had one friend outscore NBME 18 by 25 points (from 242 to 267). Maybe lots of experimental led to greater variance over a smaller number of questions. Who knows? I've come to terms with it, and I can still match because I've got good mentors and research, but it feels like a slap in the face.

Friend's averages (of last few) ==> scores: 254 ==> 244; 236 ==> 238; 250 ==> 246; 247 ==> 267
 
Even if I score exceptionally well, I still think it was a poor representation of what I poured my heart in soul into over the last 2 years

This is what angered me about the test I think. It's not that the questions are impossible or that it's a random dice roll, but that I spent over a thousand dollars and countless hours studying for this thing under the impression that the official practice materials would prepare me, and it didn't seem to represent what I was told to pour my heart and soul into.

50 points below a recent NBME? sorry for your friend, but does that mean he failed, he went from like a 250 to a 200?, what was his last NBME?

Apparently I was somewhat mistaken. He got 200s. His UWSA2 was 266, which he took a few days before the exam. He also took NBME 17, 18, 19, and UWSA1 before the exam one per weekish. Those scores were 225 (17), 248 (18), 241 (19), 265 (UWSA1). This makes his average a little lower, and maybe its a 40 point drop.

Again, he's an outlier, and he seemed to have some sporadic scores (though nothing to indicate 200s), and NBMEs were lower than UW. His last two were the two UWSAs, so that can give false confidence.
 
My experience with the exam was a more muted version of what's been stated by others today. It felt like a lot of the questions would have been gimmes if I had read one word on one page the night before. But I didn't. And you can't change that. And you can't know everything. So try your best and what happens happens. You can't blame yourself for not knowing all these ridiculous minutia; do not let it affect your test taking on that day!
 
This is what angered me about the test I think. It's not that the questions are impossible or that it's a random dice roll, but that I spent over a thousand dollars and countless hours studying for this thing under the impression that the official practice materials would prepare me, and it didn't seem to represent what I was told to pour my heart and soul into.



Apparently I was somewhat mistaken. He got 200s. His UWSA2 was 266, which he took a few days before the exam. He also took NBME 17, 18, 19, and UWSA1 before the exam one per weekish. Those scores were 225 (17), 248 (18), 241 (19), 265 (UWSA1). This makes his average a little lower, and maybe its a 40 point drop.

Again, he's an outlier, and he seemed to have some sporadic scores (though nothing to indicate 200s), and NBMEs were lower than UW. His last two were the two UWSAs, so that can give false confidence.
Seems based on a number of score reports I've read -- strange hobby of mine - doing extremely well on the UWSAs and then dropping 20+ points is far more common than doing extremely well on the NBMEs and performing 20+ points worse on the actual exam. Most people who break 270 on any NBME seem to break 265 on the real thing. Whereas, quite a few people breaking 270 on the USWAs fall down to the low 250s on step 1.
 
This is what angered me about the test I think. It's not that the questions are impossible or that it's a random dice roll, but that I spent over a thousand dollars and countless hours studying for this thing under the impression that the official practice materials would prepare me, and it didn't seem to represent what I was told to pour my heart and soul into.



Apparently I was somewhat mistaken. He got 200s. His UWSA2 was 266, which he took a few days before the exam. He also took NBME 17, 18, 19, and UWSA1 before the exam one per weekish. Those scores were 225 (17), 248 (18), 241 (19), 265 (UWSA1). This makes his average a little lower, and maybe its a 40 point drop.

Again, he's an outlier, and he seemed to have some sporadic scores (though nothing to indicate 200s), and NBMEs were lower than UW. His last two were the two UWSAs, so that can give false confidence.

Thanks for the breakdown, I appreciate it, but I honestly do not believe your friend, forget statistically improbable, it just doesn't make any sense to hit 200, for someone to hit 200 from 240+ he literally would have needed to forget basic high yields on exam day, if you looks at percentages correct on those forms that means he got 85% correct to 95% on those NBMEs, and the curve on the step is a lot more forgiving than those NBMEs, he literally would have had to hit 65%-70% correct to get that 200 on step 1.

According to you half the exam was high yields and a good amount was doable, lets say 70 percent was doable, and your friend got 88% of those correct (and that represents his average NBME score) he literally would have to guess the rest of the exam wrong, to get that 200.

Test anxiety gives you a bad day, it doesn't give you amnesia, unless your friend decided to take some benzos the night before the exam, its just not possible. I tried to look at it from every angle before writing this, but these numbers are not right.

Lets not forget that your friend is graded against other students taking this exam, and according to his nbmes he outperformed the average med student that took this same form by 10-20 points, and then your telling me that on exam day the average student who also had the same exact form as his ended up outperforming him my 30 points?? I am sorry but your friend is not being truthful simply because others took the same form he did in order for him to get that grade and they must have had to outperform him, in order for that to be true the average student needed to get somewhere around 85% of that impossible exam that you described correctly, and below is literally a direct statement from NBME on how the hard forms are graded.

"USMLE weights all multiple choice questions equally within each Step exam. Thus, answering relatively easy questions or relatively difficult questions correctly provides equal progress toward meeting the minimum passing score. This urban myth may derive from a misunderstanding about the statistical methods called equating that ensure that the 3-digit score is comparable regardless of what test form or what time of year a candidate tests. The statistical processes make small adjustments to scores achieved on test forms that contain relatively more or less difficult items. Scores on tests with relatively difficult items are adjusted up and those achieved on relatively easy items are adjusted down. These adjustments ensure that the scores that are awarded are comparable regardless of the particular combination of items on any examinee's test form and ensures fairness for all test takers."

So no your friend is not an outlier, he may very well be just a liar.
 
Seems based on a number of score reports I've read -- strange hobby of mine - doing extremely well on the UWSAs and then dropping 20+ points is far more common than doing extremely well on the NBMEs and performing 20+ points worse on the actual exam. Most people who break 270 on any NBME seem to break 265 on the real thing. Whereas, quite a few people breaking 270 on the USWAs fall down to the low 250s on step 1.

I'm so curious about the relationship between NBMEs on UWSAs. I think I'm in the small minority that actually didn't score higher on the UWSAs versus the NBMEs.
 
This is scary. Next 40 days are gonna be hell 🙂


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Outliers are outliers. Don't get too wrapped up in it. Know that 10 points here or there won't matter as much as connections when it comes to matching your dream specialty. Hell, I know people who actually failed who matched competitive surgical subs. They were all very well connected.

Thanks for the breakdown, I appreciate it, but I honestly do not believe your friend, forget statistically improbable, it just doesn't make any sense to hit 200, for someone to hit 200 from 240+ he literally would have needed to forget basic high yields on exam day, if you looks at percentages correct on those forms that means he got 85% correct to 95% on those NBMEs, and the curve on the step is a lot more forgiving than those NBMEs, he literally would have had to hit 65%-70% correct to get that 200 on step 1.

According to you half the exam was high yields and a good amount was doable, lets say 70 percent was doable, and your friend got 88% of those correct (and that represents his average NBME score) he literally would have to guess the rest of the exam wrong, to get that 200.

Test anxiety gives you a bad day, it doesn't give you amnesia, unless your friend decided to take some benzos the night before the exam, its just not possible. I tried to look at it from every angle before writing this, but these numbers are not right.

Lets not forget that your friend is graded against other students taking this exam, and according to his nbmes he outperformed the average med student that took this same form by 10-20 points, and then your telling me that on exam day the average student who also had the same exact form as his ended up outperforming him my 30 points?? I am sorry but your friend is not being truthful simply because others took the same form he did in order for him to get that grade and they must have had to outperform him, in order for that to be true the average student needed to get somewhere around 85% of that impossible exam that you described correctly, and below is literally a direct statement from NBME on how the hard forms are graded.

"USMLE weights all multiple choice questions equally within each Step exam. Thus, answering relatively easy questions or relatively difficult questions correctly provides equal progress toward meeting the minimum passing score. This urban myth may derive from a misunderstanding about the statistical methods called equating that ensure that the 3-digit score is comparable regardless of what test form or what time of year a candidate tests. The statistical processes make small adjustments to scores achieved on test forms that contain relatively more or less difficult items. Scores on tests with relatively difficult items are adjusted up and those achieved on relatively easy items are adjusted down. These adjustments ensure that the scores that are awarded are comparable regardless of the particular combination of items on any examinee's test form and ensures fairness for all test takers."

So no your friend is not an outlier, he may very well be just a liar.

Totally possible. Maybe a defense mechanism? Thing is I'd go over incorrects with him afterwards on a few of these, so I'm inclined to believe he was at least somewhat telling the truth here.

Like all insane results, it's usually multifactorial. Let's entertain the thought that he was shielding himself from reality and looking up 2-3 questions per section (I think beyond this everyone 100% knows they are 100% FOS, but maybe some people like to waste money and could convince themselves that their scores were real with "just a few" questions per section). So he goes from ~85% right to 80% right. You'd still have to add on some more reasons. Okay maybe he got a bad exam that really exploited his weaknesses, -5% again. Then nerves hit him and he makes a ton of stupid mistakes, -5% again. The new question style threw him off and didn't jive with him that day, -5% again. That's a lot of things to line up, but maybe it happens to someone, somewhere.

I agree, it's dubious. I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't seen his scores. He also did very well on class exams. Then all of this could be explained with -20% for exam day freakout. Everyone is nervous, maybe he didn't realize how much more nervous he was than everyone else.
 
I'm so curious about the relationship between NBMEs on UWSAs. I think I'm in the small minority that actually didn't score higher on the UWSAs versus the NBMEs.
I assume the following you provided orders the scores in terms of date taken, from earliest to latest:
NBME 13: (175/200) = 87.5% = 234
UWSA1: (130/160) = 81.25% = 258
UWSA2: (135/160) = 84.4% = 256
NBME 15: (190/200) = 95% = 261
NBME 16: (190/200) = 95% = 263
NBME 17: (189/200) = 94.5% = 257
NBME 18: (183/200) = 91.5% = 255
NBME 19: (189/200) = 94.5% = 255

It would seem that your USWAs are higher partially because you took them earlier. You did 20+ points better on the USWAs than on the one NBME you took before them. I'm curious as to how you would have done had you taken them last.
 
So no one knows ANYONE who can speak for sketchy path on their performance on the real thing? I'm getting scared as thats basically all I've done (in terms of pathology other than pathoma 1-4) I've still done Uworld and First Aid. Taking my first NBME this Saturday
 
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Outliers are outliers. Don't get too wrapped up in it. Know that 10 points here or there won't matter as much as connections when it comes to matching your dream specialty. Hell, I know people who actually failed who matched competitive surgical subs. They were all very well connected.



Totally possible. Maybe a defense mechanism? Thing is I'd go over incorrects with him afterwards on a few of these, so I'm inclined to believe he was at least somewhat telling the truth here.

Like all insane results, it's usually multifactorial. Let's entertain the thought that he was shielding himself from reality and looking up 2-3 questions per section (I think beyond this everyone 100% knows they are 100% FOS, but maybe some people like to waste money and could convince themselves that their scores were real with "just a few" questions per section). So he goes from ~85% right to 80% right. You'd still have to add on some more reasons. Okay maybe he got a bad exam that really exploited his weaknesses, -5% again. Then nerves hit him and he makes a ton of stupid mistakes, -5% again. The new question style threw him off and didn't jive with him that day, -5% again. That's a lot of things to line up, but maybe it happens to someone, somewhere.

I agree, it's dubious. I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't seen his scores. He also did very well on class exams. Then all of this could be explained with -20% for exam day freakout. Everyone is nervous, maybe he didn't realize how much more nervous he was than everyone else.


Listen bro, your saying that I am using a defense mechanism, probably intellectualization lol, but to me that says that your knowingly attempting to spread anxiety or unwanted feelings among medical students with your posts. You know exactly what your doing by making these types of posts on here, I take it that a guy like you that made it this far in life is not dumb.

Even if your friend was real, (and btw now your trying to rationalize his low score by saying he could have cheated on his nbmes by 2-3 q a block, but ok), why would you post that on here in the exam experience section of SDN?

I also have a "friend" and he thinks you and your friend are full of it. Regardless I can't wait to see your write up and how your exam went! Looking forward to it.
 
I took NBME 18 and got a 228 1.5 weeks away from my exam

Previous scores were:

NBME 15 - 230 (5 weeks)
NBME 16 - 234 (4 weeks)
NBME 17 - 234 (3 weeks)

I still have the UWorld SIMs left and about 300 uworld questions to go.

Most of my day consists of Uworld (2nd pass) and keeping up with my zanki reviews. I watch between 1-3 hours of boards and beyond/pathoma towards the end of the day, but by then I'm pretty fried and not sure how much I'm even retaining. I used both resources extensively during M2, so I've seen most of the material before. Saving chapters 1-3 of pathoma for the couple days before the real deal.

I felt like NBME 18 was a lot harder than the previous ones and they asked some questions in such a weird way. Not really sure where to go from here. >240 is the goal, but I'd be happy with >230 as well. Do you think a 240 is attainable? Any advice on what to do for this last week? I feel like I've plateaued and possibly burning out 🙁
 
So no one knows ANYONE who can speak for sketchy path on their performance on the real thing? I'm getting scared as thats basically all I've done (in terms of pathology other than pathoma 1-4) I've still done Uworld and First Aid. Taking my first NBME this Saturday

I used sketchy path as well as Zanki/FA/UWorld/Pathoma. Sketchy was good but there are MANY things not covered in Sketchy that are in FA/Pathoma/Zanki, etc. I would say probably 50-60% of my exam could have been found in Sketchy (Path, Micro, Pharm).
 
I feel like I've forgotten so much. Test day can't come soon enough. So ready to be done with all of this

Same! I feel like I'm shedding knowledge faster than Im gaining it. Its freaking me out, but I dont really know what to do about it.

I just keep doing anki and pray it works hahaha.
 
Pretty crushed with how the exam panned out- hope this info is helpful to someone:

NBME 16: 223
NBME 13: 232
NBME 15: 248
UW1: 264
NBME 19: 236
UW2: 254
NBME 18: 236

Actual May 7th administration: 234

I certainly didn't expect to see anything less than 235 to 240. Was hoping for a 245+. Just hoping this score is good enough to get me into Surgery or Anesthesia. I just keep looking at the score report as if it can't be true... Ended up bombing sections that were typically my strength. Idk what happened. I didn't feel as though it went this poorly though it was challenging.
 
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I took NBME 18 and got a 228 1.5 weeks away from my exam

Previous scores were:

NBME 15 - 230 (5 weeks)
NBME 16 - 234 (4 weeks)
NBME 17 - 234 (3 weeks)

I still have the UWorld SIMs left and about 300 uworld questions to go.

Most of my day consists of Uworld (2nd pass) and keeping up with my zanki reviews. I watch between 1-3 hours of boards and beyond/pathoma towards the end of the day, but by then I'm pretty fried and not sure how much I'm even retaining. I used both resources extensively during M2, so I've seen most of the material before. Saving chapters 1-3 of pathoma for the couple days before the real deal.

I felt like NBME 18 was a lot harder than the previous ones and they asked some questions in such a weird way. Not really sure where to go from here. >240 is the goal, but I'd be happy with >230 as well. Do you think a 240 is attainable? Any advice on what to do for this last week? I feel like I've plateaued and possibly burning out 🙁

240 is certainly attainable, but I'm having a bit of trouble figuring out why you're not there already. Zanki + two passes of UWorld should, by itself, be enough to get you to 240. Did you complete the entire deck or only part of it?

I'd recommend you identify 5 of your biggest weaknesses, and work your ass off over the next 7 days to fix them. Turn them into strengths by test day. Spend the last 2-3 days doing some sort of comprehensive content review (when I took the exam the Groover Rapid Review Anki was popular but there may be something better now). That should get you where you want, but obviously test day circumstances also play a big part.
 
I used sketchy path as well as Zanki/FA/UWorld/Pathoma. Sketchy was good but there are MANY things not covered in Sketchy that are in FA/Pathoma/Zanki, etc. I would say probably 50-60% of my exam could have been found in Sketchy (Path, Micro, Pharm).

Thanks yeah I'm 3 weeks out and just doing the zanki pathology cards (to cover FA and Pathoma) plus watching the videos and reviewing the sketchy pics. Thats reassuring that that amount of your exam was in sketchy haha. I'm still going through a chapter a day in FA and blasting UW/Kaplan Q's so hopefully that all will do the trick!
 
Pretty crushed with how the exam panned out- hope this info is helpful to someone:

NBME 16: 223
NBME 13: 232
NBME 15: 248
UW1: 264
NBME 19: 236
UW2: 254
NBME 18: 236

Actual May 7th administration: 234

I certainly didn't expect to see anything less than 235 to 240. Was hoping for a 245+. Just hoping this score is good enough to get me into Surgery or Anesthesia. I just keep looking at the score report as if it can't be true... Ended up bombing sections that were typically my strength. Idk what happened. I didn't feel as though it went this poorly though it was challenging.


sorry to hear about this. Seems like its dead on for the average of your NBME scores though. It seems like UWSA have been overestimating peoples scores lately. I am sure your score is good enough for many surgical/anesthesia programs. You did above average I wouldn't let this get you down
 
I used sketchy path as well as Zanki/FA/UWorld/Pathoma. Sketchy was good but there are MANY things not covered in Sketchy that are in FA/Pathoma/Zanki, etc. I would say probably 50-60% of my exam could have been found in Sketchy (Path, Micro, Pharm).

Did you find that there was a lot on the exam that wasn't on Sketchy Micro/Pharm? Those are my two main resources right now for pharm and micro. Still looking through FA but not hitting it as hard as those.
 
Did you find that there was a lot on the exam that wasn't on Sketchy Micro/Pharm? Those are my two main resources right now for pharm and micro. Still looking through FA but not hitting it as hard as those.

Sketchy was great for most of micro and pharm but First Aid is definitely worth going through, especially the micro systems section. Literally every drug in first aid is fair game in my opinion. First aid + Sketchy covered 100% micro/pharm for me
 
240 is certainly attainable, but I'm having a bit of trouble figuring out why you're not there already. Zanki + two passes of UWorld should, by itself, be enough to get you to 240. Did you complete the entire deck or only part of it?

I'd recommend you identify 5 of your biggest weaknesses, and work your ass off over the next 7 days to fix them. Turn them into strengths by test day. Spend the last 2-3 days doing some sort of comprehensive content review (when I took the exam the Groover Rapid Review Anki was popular but there may be something better now). That should get you where you want, but obviously test day circumstances also play a big part.

I completed about 80% of zanki, but the parts I left off are my strong suits. I agree that I feel like I should be at a 240 already. It's disheartening to put in all this work and not see the results I want, especially since it's been 4 weeks and I haven't really moved at all from my baseline. I'm not the best test-taker so that may be part of it. Looking at what I got wrong, I see that I made quite a few stupid mistakes on all of the NBMEs. I guess I just have to figure out how to limit those.

Thank you for the advice!
 
Pretty crushed with how the exam panned out- hope this info is helpful to someone:

NBME 16: 223
NBME 13: 232
NBME 15: 248
UW1: 264
NBME 19: 236
UW2: 254
NBME 18: 236

Actual May 7th administration: 234

I certainly didn't expect to see anything less than 235 to 240. Was hoping for a 245+. Just hoping this score is good enough to get me into Surgery or Anesthesia. I just keep looking at the score report as if it can't be true... Ended up bombing sections that were typically my strength. Idk what happened. I didn't feel as though it went this poorly though it was challenging.

Feel like I’m awaiting the same results but I say u definitely are more than just a step score
 
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Pt with DM, HTN, presents with stroke..

how do you differentiate a cortical infarct vs lacunar since atherosclerosis can affect both types of vessels?

Would it just be based on history and presentation or am I missing something here?
 
This description is the closest thing to my experience so far. Mine was nothing like NBMEs, and even the UFAP stuff required you to know stuff outside of UFAP. The gimmes had mad distractors, and the questions were long and vague. Got some really dicey ethics too, and I don't know how you'd prep for that honestly.

If it's any consolation, I had similar practice tests (NBME 18: 261; UWSA2: 263; free 120: 92%) within one week of the exam and I felt the same way. Also counted ~10 that are for sure wrong. I left with a horrible feeling. I was feeling okay about it until my friends' scored came back and ended up all over the place, including one guy going 50 points below NBME 18.

Yeah, a good friend of mine who consistently scores higher than I do apparently got his score back and he's not very happy with it, so I can't even console myself with that anymore... Who knows what's going to happen come July. Guess we're in it together.
 
NBME 19 spoiler:

There is a question asking about basically end of life-type care in a patient with Alzheimer's, and who should make the decisions. The correct answer was to encourage the family to come to a consensus based on their perception of the patient's wishes... I personally put "Listen to the wife" because the spouse is first in line for the next of kin order, and didn't think about it for more than a second. What am I missing here? I'm almost positive I saw a Uworld question very similar to this, and the answer was based on next of kin, not "encouraging people to come to a consensus" (even though in real life that's what I'd probably do).
 
So all this talk recently about very long stems and lots of videos and very vague answer choices on test - it wasn't like that for those who took it earlier. I suppose current version of test they used in May is a bit harder, but maybe is scored differently, not sure. Could it be they have about 4-5 different versions and just rotate them every 2-3 weeks? I really hate long stems and vague answers - I would opt for a harder test overall, but with clear answer choices and shorter question stem. You would think test like that would be curved for better scoring, but it's not.
Anyone has any hypothesis what's going on lately?
 
Seems based on a number of score reports I've read -- strange hobby of mine - doing extremely well on the UWSAs and then dropping 20+ points is far more common than doing extremely well on the NBMEs and performing 20+ points worse on the actual exam. Most people who break 270 on any NBME seem to break 265 on the real thing. Whereas, quite a few people breaking 270 on the USWAs fall down to the low 250s on step 1.

Very true.

I think UWSAs are overrated. All the reports of big score drops in this thread were people who were scoring just slightly above average on their NBMEs. A person who averaged 230s-240s on NBME should not be surprised by an average Step 1 score, even if they somehow managed 260+ on the overrated UWSAs.

Moreover I have noticed another interesting pattern in the online experience reports. The people who get super high scores tend to say that the ubiquitous study resources are more or less enough. Of course, every exam will have a small handful of esoteric and perhaps experimental questions. That's just the nature of the beast... But I think these claims of completely unrecognizable forms that we've been reading about are simply unfounded. The more parsimonious explanation is that these reports are coming from students who were relatively underprepared and thus incorrectly perceived the test as unfair. NBME loves to mask classic topics in unfamiliar contexts. If you can't see through these tricks, it's easy to misperceive the exam as being more esoteric and random than it actually is.
 
I think a major contributor is the fact that most people can't accurately gauge how well they know something. I do think this is one of the qualities that sets apart top scorers. Anyone who can more accurately detect his deficiencies is automatically in a position to improve more than the average person.
 
NBME 19 spoiler:

There is a question asking about basically end of life-type care in a patient with Alzheimer's, and who should make the decisions. The correct answer was to encourage the family to come to a consensus based on their perception of the patient's wishes... I personally put "Listen to the wife" because the spouse is first in line for the next of kin order, and didn't think about it for more than a second. What am I missing here? I'm almost positive I saw a Uworld question very similar to this, and the answer was based on next of kin, not "encouraging people to come to a consensus" (even though in real life that's what I'd probably do).

I think you should always encourage the family to reach a decision together. Better for everyone if they can all agree. But if they can't do that, then you would go with what the wife says.
 
Very true.

I think UWSAs are overrated. All the reports of big score drops in this thread were people who were scoring just slightly above average on their NBMEs. A person who averaged 230s-240s on NBME should not be surprised by an average Step 1 score, even if they somehow managed 260+ on the overrated UWSAs.

Moreover I have noticed another interesting pattern in the online experience reports. The people who get super high scores tend to say that the ubiquitous study resources are more or less enough. Of course, every exam will have a small handful of esoteric and perhaps experimental questions. That's just the nature of the beast... But I think these claims of completely unrecognizable forms that we've been reading about are simply unfounded. The more parsimonious explanation is that these reports are coming from students who were relatively underprepared and thus incorrectly perceived the test as unfair. NBME loves to mask classic topics in unfamiliar contexts. If you can't see through these tricks, it's easy to misperceive the exam as being more esoteric and random than it actually is.


LOL. At the start of this thread everyone talks about how UWSAs are awesome and how UWSA2 is most predictive, and now they are overrated because of a few anecdotes and FFs opinion. probs not the best to be labeling things as over / underrated when you haven't even taken the real test... just sayin.
 
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