USMLE Official 2018 Step 1 Experiences and Scores Thread

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Just got out. I'll definitely do a more detailed write up later, but these are my initial impressions:

-UWorld and First Aid covered >99% of the exam. There were literally only 2 question where I had absolutely no idea, but even those were arguably fair game material and I simply failed to connect the dots / recognize the underlying principle. That said, I totally see now why a lot of students think that there are "wtf questions" or experimental questions on Step. That's because about ~5% of the questions are pure logic puzzles where you have to apply UW/FA knowledge to arrive at the answer by process of elimination. For example, several times the correct answer was a drug, disease, or biochemical entity that is NOT covered in UW/FA, however you can totally nail the question if you can recognize why all the other answer choices are wrong. This category also included some questions that I would categorize as "trick" questions, where you totally recognize the disease, but there is some bit of information in the stem that totally disrupts your usual heuristic or perhaps the answer you're expecting isn't included as an option. In my opinion, one of two things could be going on in this type of question - You may have failed to study some esoteric nuance of the topic, and they want you to step out of your comfort zone and pick the "obvious answer" anyway even if it doesn't feel totally right. The other type is the antithesis of the previous form -- where they describe what seems like a classic pathology EXCEPT for some bit that doesn't fit, and this time you're not supposed to ignore it because the answer is actually a related but slightly different pathology that you've never heard of but which you can discern based on its name.

So overall, with the exception of those 2 questions that seemed completely foreign, the test seemed entirely devoid of "experimental" or "wtf" questions. If you told me that every single question counted, I would believe it.

And then about 5-10% of the exam consisted of questions that were simply very difficult but "fair game." These were mostly physiology or biochem questions where I had to do mental gymnastics to build an argument for a particular answer, and even then I wasn't totally confident in my answer. These are the type of questions where I knew I could figure it out if I had extra time but couldn't process it in time to arrive at a conclusive answer. Sometimes I had to resort to playing "which one is not like the others" with the answer choices, lol.

Finally, there were a handful of questions that weren't particularly hard and would otherwise be a slam-dunk, but I just couldn't remember something about the topic and spent way too long thinking about it. Luckily, there were only like 2-3 of these, and I think I got them right in the end. This is where memorization pays off.

Ethics, stats, imaging, and auscultation were EZ-PZ.

Stems weren't any longer.

The "Step 2" style question rumor is a complete myth. The clinical management questions were pure logic questions. Would knowing the management algorithm for X disease cold by having read UptoDate make it easier? Duh. But that's not the exam writer's intention. The questions were 100% written for pre-clinical students and can be answered with common sense if you have solid fundamentals.

A couple histology questions were tough.

Time management was only slightly tougher than practice tests. I still finished the blocks with ~20 minutes to spare, but the difference was that I marked way more questions. I mark very liberally to begin with, and today my threshold was even lower because of the high stakes. This may have been a strategic error in hindsight as I had too many marked cards to review on a few blocks. However, I settled into a strategy of "hand-marking" the ones I REALLY wanted to come back to by writing their # on my dry-erase sheet.

And finally, I totally reject what has become somewhat of a cliche expression among med students that Step 1 feels like "7 hard blocks of UW." To me, it felt like 7 blocks of really hard NBME. I think most people just say its similar to UW because the software looks just like UW. However, the "feel" of the questions, in my opinion, was pure NBME.

Thank you sooooo much for that write up, this is exactly what I was thinking about what the "WTF" questions that everyone mentions, if you study well enough process of elimination will help you rule out the disease that you do know. Very reassuring, instead of the nightmare writeups that others post on here. Thanks again and I bet your glad your done, did you think the second pass of uworld helped you out?
 
Took it today. I would say 1/3 of the questions were relatively 1st order if you knew your stuff. The other 2/3 required connecting some sort of dots (sometimes a lot of dots) and still possibly having to make an educated guess. It felt like a Uworld test where they only chose questions where less than 65% of people got them right if that makes sense. Very vague, but manageable. Hardly any biochem, neuro, repro, MSK, or micro. Just felt like a big thinking test. Part of the battle is being calm. I entered the test very at peace, and it stayed that way throughout. Actually had fun taking it to be honest, and am 100% confident I didn't miss a question due to nerves or anything like that. If I missed a question is because I didn't understand the question / didn't have the info down or guessed wrong. Feels great knowing I didn't make things harder than they needed to be.

The resources I felt paid off the most were 1. FA (read 4x) 2. Uworld (did all questions 2x) 3. Sketchy pharm 4. zanki

Have no clue how I did, but feel confident I couldn't have done any better and prepped to the best of my ability. I feel like I could end up anywhere from 230-260 lol.

Baseline (and last NBME taken) over a month ago was a 234, and both UWSAs were mid 250's for what its worth.

Its hard, but not freak out hard if you are level headed / know going in that a lot of people who score very high felt like they did a lot of guessing.
 
Took it a week ago. Made about 10 really dumb mistakes on some of the easiest first order questions of the test. So disheartening. Praying for 230 but I feel like that's out of reach. Went through uworld once and made flash cards. Some pathoma audio. No first aid.

Uworld 74%
CBSE = 248 (4 weeks out)
UWSA1 = 254 (2 weeks out)
NBME 18 = 236 (1.5 weeks out)
NBME 19 = 236 (1.5 weeks out)
NBME 17 = 246 (1 week out)
UWSA2 = 262 (5 days out)
 
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Time management was only slightly tougher than practice tests. I still finished the blocks with ~20 minutes to spare, but the difference was that I marked way more questions. I mark very liberally to begin with, and today my threshold was even lower because of the high stakes. This may have been a strategic error in hindsight as I had too many marked cards to review on a few blocks. However, I settled into a strategy of "hand-marking" the ones I REALLY wanted to come back to by writing their # on my dry-erase sheet.

I do this on every exam! Never thought another person would do the same even once.

Congrats on being done everyone!
 
For those who took the test, did you guys feel that Pathoma was also high yield? I know its a dumb question but trying to gauge how to spend the next week reviewing.

@Foot Fetish @DNC127 @drkube @Cheyenne62


I liked FA better. Most of what is in pathoma is in FA. But ya, path was high yield overall so just pick whatever resource you like best!
 
For those who took the test, did you guys feel that Pathoma was also high yield? I know its a dumb question but trying to gauge how to spend the next week reviewing.

@Foot Fetish @DNC127 @drkube @Cheyenne62

Pathoma is high yield, but it takes a bit of time to get through everything. Sattar explains the concepts really well, but if you're short on time I would just go over sections you're weak in and review everything else in FA
 
Thank you sooooo much for that write up, this is exactly what I was thinking about what the "WTF" questions that everyone mentions, if you study well enough process of elimination will help you rule out the disease that you do know. Very reassuring, instead of the nightmare writeups that others post on here. Thanks again and I bet your glad your done, did you think the second pass of uworld helped you out?

No problem. The beginning of my UW second pass was definitely helpful because it helped churn up some old fundamental concepts that I had stored in my mind a long time ago and were beginning to get rusty. I got through ~65% of the second pass but ran out of time. By the end, I did feel like I was wasting some time because I was getting 95%+ consistently. Depending on how much time you have, I would do like 500 or so random to start off and determine if you have any holes in your knowledge, and then do 500 more of just the topics you think need to be improved and see where you're at.

For those who took the test, did you guys feel that Pathoma was also high yield? I know its a dumb question but trying to gauge how to spend the next week reviewing.

@Foot Fetish @DNC127 @drkube @Cheyenne62

I did not use Pathoma except for watching the first 3 chapters in M1. Personally, I never got much out of it as it felt too passive watching videos when I could be answering questions. I would stick with UW and FA during dedicated. They contain everything that Pathoma has and then some.
 
Hi all

Took nbme 19 today and got 240..
Nbme 16 and 17 both were 240 2 weeks ago..
Target score 250..
Is it still achievable?
Exam in 2 weeks .
Need advice
 
Just got out. I'll definitely do a more detailed write up later, but these are my initial impressions:

-UWorld and First Aid covered >99% of the exam. There were literally only 2 question where I had absolutely no idea, but even those were arguably fair game material and I simply failed to connect the dots / recognize the underlying principle. That said, I totally see now why a lot of students think that there are "wtf questions" or experimental questions on Step. That's because about ~5% of the questions are pure logic puzzles where you have to apply UW/FA knowledge to arrive at the answer by process of elimination. For example, several times the correct answer was a drug, disease, or biochemical entity that is NOT covered in UW/FA, however you can totally nail the question if you can recognize why all the other answer choices are wrong. This category also included some questions that I would categorize as "trick" questions, where you totally recognize the disease, but there is some bit of information in the stem that totally disrupts your usual heuristic or perhaps the answer you're expecting isn't included as an option. In my opinion, one of two things could be going on in this type of question - You may have failed to study some esoteric nuance of the topic, and they want you to step out of your comfort zone and pick the "obvious answer" anyway even if it doesn't feel totally right. The other type is the antithesis of the previous form -- where they describe what seems like a classic pathology EXCEPT for some bit that doesn't fit, and this time you're not supposed to ignore it because the answer is actually a related but slightly different pathology that you've never heard of but which you can discern based on its name.

So overall, with the exception of those 2 questions that seemed completely foreign, the test seemed entirely devoid of "experimental" or "wtf" questions. If you told me that every single question counted, I would believe it.

And then about 5-10% of the exam consisted of questions that were simply very difficult but "fair game." These were mostly physiology or biochem questions where I had to do mental gymnastics to build an argument for a particular answer, and even then I wasn't totally confident in my answer. These are the type of questions where I knew I could figure it out if I had extra time but couldn't process it in time to arrive at a conclusive answer. Sometimes I had to resort to playing "which one is not like the others" with the answer choices, lol.

Finally, there were a handful of questions that weren't particularly hard and would otherwise be a slam-dunk, but I just couldn't remember something about the topic and spent way too long thinking about it. Luckily, there were only like 2-3 of these, and I think I got them right in the end. This is where memorization pays off.

Ethics, stats, imaging, and auscultation were EZ-PZ.

Stems weren't any longer.

The "Step 2" style question rumor is a complete myth. The clinical management questions were pure logic questions. Would knowing the management algorithm for X disease cold by having read UptoDate make it easier? Duh. But that's not the exam writer's intention. The questions were 100% written for pre-clinical students and can be answered with common sense if you have solid fundamentals.

A couple histology questions were tough.

Time management was only slightly tougher than practice tests. I still finished the blocks with ~20 minutes to spare, but the difference was that I marked way more questions. I mark very liberally to begin with, and today my threshold was even lower because of the high stakes. This may have been a strategic error in hindsight as I had too many marked cards to review on a few blocks. However, I settled into a strategy of "hand-marking" the ones I REALLY wanted to come back to by writing their # on my dry-erase sheet.

And finally, I totally reject what has become somewhat of a cliche expression among med students that Step 1 feels like "7 hard blocks of UW." To me, it felt like 7 blocks of really hard NBME. I think most people just say its similar to UW because the software looks just like UW. However, the "feel" of the questions, in my opinion, was pure NBME.
Thanks for the write up. Was probably the most anticipated one of the year.

4 questions:
1. Assuming one knows the FA 2018, how would you recommend to prepare for the thinking questions?
2. Can you please make up an ideal study plan?
3. Retrospectively - what would you do/not do?
4. What resources would you use/not use/use in a different way or sequence?

thanks!
 
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Trying to run through one more full pass of FA in the next 3 days, along with one full pass of Sketchy micro, pharm, and Pathoma (may leave this out... as it is another 200 pages of content...)

Gonna cool off the morning before my exam by reviewing the rapid review section while my mommy drives me to the testing center.

Any suggestions/critique/advice for those of y'all who made one final pass of FA before the exam?
 
Test is in 3 days. What should I do? I'm taking NBME 18 today. I know I still need to review a couple renal and neuro topics I'm not strong in. Honestly if I could go back and do this all over again I would. I don't think I had the best strategy and now I'm worried. I know probably 2/3rd of FA decently. Did UW 1.5x with like a 64% first pass (I knew nothing), and now I'm like a 76%. Did pathoma and I might review a couple topics in there as well. I think what really messed me up was spending my first 3 weeks of dedicated doing DIT and I got nothing out of it.

My practice scores have been the 220s-low 230 consistently.
 
Relax, be happy with what you have and stay focused. A realistic goal with consistency is more important than stressing! 🙂
 
Just got out. I'll definitely do a more detailed write up later, but these are my initial impressions

Thanks a lot for posting such a detailed test experience. It cleared things up regarding the so called wtf questions everyone's talking about and certainly dispelled a lot of the fearmongering going on in the last few pages.
 
Relax, be happy with what you have and stay focused. A realistic goal with consistency is more important than stressing! 🙂
That's the plan. I think I'm more scared that I will get everything on the real deal that I don't know and none of what I know really well. More of my friends took it yesterday and said it was pretty much all antiviral therapy, renal and respiratory and that was it haha. I'm sure thats not 100% true but I don't understand why USMLE doesn't a lot an even number of questions to each topic. It seems like it would make way more sense to test us across the playing field.
 
Good to know! Thanks! I think I still need to cover the first half of FA. Missing some of those easier questions.

I read the first half (all the stuff before systems start) 3 times in the last 2 weeks before the test and it paid dividends. Overall there wasn't a ton of questions on that stuff (maybe 30 is total) but I am I am pretty sure I got most of them right. Highly recommend.
 
That's the plan. I think I'm more scared that I will get everything on the real deal that I don't know and none of what I know really well. More of my friends took it yesterday and said it was pretty much all antiviral therapy, renal and respiratory and that was it haha. I'm sure thats not 100% true but I don't understand why USMLE doesn't a lot an even number of questions to each topic. It seems like it would make way more sense to test us across the playing field.

I took it yesterday and mine wasnt like that at all. Dont trip!
 
I took it yesterday and mine wasnt like that at all. Dont trip!
I'm trying not to. Taking a quick 10 minute break right now halfway through NBME 18. I'm hoping its in the 230s. I will feel pretty okay about taking the test in a couple days if it is. So far I am noticing that things I did a few weeks ago I'm starting to forget so tonight and tomorrow will be big weak spot review days for me.
 
Hey everybody! Its my first time on here and was looking for some advice. I am a below average student and have 3.5 months before my Step 1 exam in october. I feel like I do not remember anything at all from medical school and am completely lost on how to get started on studying. Is it possible to start from scratch and achieve a decent score on my Step 1 exam(~210) in 3.5 months? I was wondering if anybody had any advice on what resources to use to essentially relearn medicine? I am not an anki user as I feel like it just has never worked for me. I would really appreciate any advice from the SDN community! Thank you!
 
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Just got out. I'll definitely do a more detailed write up later, but these are my initial impressions:

-UWorld and First Aid covered >99% of the exam. There were literally only 2 question where I had absolutely no idea, but even those were arguably fair game material and I simply failed to connect the dots / recognize the underlying principle. That said, I totally see now why a lot of students think that there are "wtf questions" or experimental questions on Step. That's because about ~5% of the questions are pure logic puzzles where you have to apply UW/FA knowledge to arrive at the answer by process of elimination. For example, several times the correct answer was a drug, disease, or biochemical entity that is NOT covered in UW/FA, however you can totally nail the question if you can recognize why all the other answer choices are wrong. This category also included some questions that I would categorize as "trick" questions, where you totally recognize the disease, but there is some bit of information in the stem that totally disrupts your usual heuristic or perhaps the answer you're expecting isn't included as an option. In my opinion, one of two things could be going on in this type of question - You may have failed to study some esoteric nuance of the topic, and they want you to step out of your comfort zone and pick the "obvious answer" anyway even if it doesn't feel totally right. The other type is the antithesis of the previous form -- where they describe what seems like a classic pathology EXCEPT for some bit that doesn't fit, and this time you're not supposed to ignore it because the answer is actually a related but slightly different pathology that you've never heard of but which you can discern based on its name.

So overall, with the exception of those 2 questions that seemed completely foreign, the test seemed entirely devoid of "experimental" or "wtf" questions. If you told me that every single question counted, I would believe it.

And then about 5-10% of the exam consisted of questions that were simply very difficult but "fair game." These were mostly physiology or biochem questions where I had to do mental gymnastics to build an argument for a particular answer, and even then I wasn't totally confident in my answer. These are the type of questions where I knew I could figure it out if I had extra time but couldn't process it in time to arrive at a conclusive answer. Sometimes I had to resort to playing "which one is not like the others" with the answer choices, lol.

Finally, there were a handful of questions that weren't particularly hard and would otherwise be a slam-dunk, but I just couldn't remember something about the topic and spent way too long thinking about it. Luckily, there were only like 2-3 of these, and I think I got them right in the end. This is where memorization pays off.

Ethics, stats, imaging, and auscultation were EZ-PZ.

Stems weren't any longer.

The "Step 2" style question rumor is a complete myth. The clinical management questions were pure logic questions. Would knowing the management algorithm for X disease cold by having read UptoDate make it easier? Duh. But that's not the exam writer's intention. The questions were 100% written for pre-clinical students and can be answered with common sense if you have solid fundamentals.

A couple histology questions were tough.

Time management was only slightly tougher than practice tests. I still finished the blocks with ~20 minutes to spare, but the difference was that I marked way more questions. I mark very liberally to begin with, and today my threshold was even lower because of the high stakes. This may have been a strategic error in hindsight as I had too many marked cards to review on a few blocks. However, I settled into a strategy of "hand-marking" the ones I REALLY wanted to come back to by writing their # on my dry-erase sheet.

And finally, I totally reject what has become somewhat of a cliche expression among med students that Step 1 feels like "7 hard blocks of UW." To me, it felt like 7 blocks of really hard NBME. I think most people just say its similar to UW because the software looks just like UW. However, the "feel" of the questions, in my opinion, was pure NBME.

A more "detailed" write-up?!

Thank you for taking the time to write this!
 
Welp.... just took my last NBME. NBME 18. Made a 230.
Hopefully if I cover enough of my weak points over the next two days I'll do okay on the real thing. My goal was a mid 230s-240. I just want to do IM. I have a feeling I'll probably get more like a 220 though. Or fail. The defeated feeling has finally hit me.
 
Welp.... just took my last NBME. NBME 18. Made a 230.
Hopefully if I cover enough of my weak points over the next two days I'll do okay on the real thing. My goal was a mid 230s-240. I just want to do IM. I have a feeling I'll probably get more like a 220 though. Or fail. The defeated feeling has finally hit me.
You can still get IM with a 220.
 
Yea I think Uworld has a pattern in the way they test things and explain, especially the classics, that may give a false sense of security. There’s a lot more to the disease than FA/UW discusses. I think this is why it’s worth it to “understand” the whole disease like some people say.

Tbh people say it felt like NBME style or Uworld style - I felt like it was more unique And not super comparable to either.
FWIW I think the better prepared you are, the worse it feels due to the differences between UW/NBME and the real deal. I completely agree with your assessment of the test and my NBME18/UWSA2 average was a 262. Still no results, but it's hard not to feel like you got rocked by the length of Qs, lack of time to check non-flags, and ambiguous wording.

You get very, very good at doing UWorld and NBMEs and you get used to the style. You're used to flagging questions if you're not 100% sure, but you still feel 80% sure on all but a few of your flags. All the step resources teach you to think in a way that help you to answer step 1 practice test questions. Those are far more accessible for prep companies than the real deal questions, so the process of answering is different between the real deal and UW/NBME. Also, they are all teaching towards NBMEs/UW without being obvious about it, because if Kaplan or UW got you an extra 12 questions on NBME 16 or whatever, you're going to come back to these forums and sing their praises. Then you take step 1, and it's a completely different experience. However, it's this way for everyone.

As for evidence for the above, I have talked to a few people who've gotten their scores back and it's been pretty bimodal. Low scorers (sub-210) tend to feel rocked by the exam. Like, disoriented and unable to even process what had happened. Mid-range scorers (210-240) tended to feel pretty okay about it. These people were used to getting dumbfounded by a few UWorld Qs each block, so it wasn't a surprise when a few questions were just unanswerable. High scorers (240+) tended to feel as though their hard work was all wasted and that beyond the 1/2 of the test that is relatively buzzwordy/high yield the rest was basically luck. Statistics tell us that is not the case overall, but you're going to have your doubts. You're going to be sure you're the person who's going to buck the trend and drop 20 points.

Regardless, obviously from my previous posts I know someone who truly dropped a ton, but I know at least 10 more who mostly got around where they expected to score. I'd say the scaling system is getting harder based on real deal vs. NBME among my friends, especially in the 250+ range, but overall I know only that one person who is changing their post-step plans after getting results. In that sense, step 1 is certainly "good enough." Don't hang your hat on 270 or bust. The test isn't statistically good enough for that, but don't expect that if you prepped successfully for ENT/derm/ortho that you're going to be applying for research in IM/gen surg because you bombed this exam.
 
Thanks for posting! Man, the differences in experiences between people is just insane. Do you know how representative UWorld was on your exam?
That's the plan. I think I'm more scared that I will get everything on the real deal that I don't know and none of what I know really well. More of my friends took it yesterday and said it was pretty much all antiviral therapy, renal and respiratory and that was it haha. I'm sure thats not 100% true but I don't understand why USMLE doesn't a lot an even number of questions to each topic. It seems like it would make way more sense to test us across the playing field.
Just got out. I'll definitely do a more detailed write up later, but these are my initial impressions:

-UWorld and First Aid covered >99% of the exam. There were literally only 2 question where I had absolutely no idea, but even those were arguably fair game material and I simply failed to connect the dots / recognize the underlying principle. That said, I totally see now why a lot of students think that there are "wtf questions" or experimental questions on Step. That's because about ~5% of the questions are pure logic puzzles where you have to apply UW/FA knowledge to arrive at the answer by process of elimination. For example, several times the correct answer was a drug, disease, or biochemical entity that is NOT covered in UW/FA, however you can totally nail the question if you can recognize why all the other answer choices are wrong. This category also included some questions that I would categorize as "trick" questions, where you totally recognize the disease, but there is some bit of information in the stem that totally disrupts your usual heuristic or perhaps the answer you're expecting isn't included as an option. In my opinion, one of two things could be going on in this type of question - You may have failed to study some esoteric nuance of the topic, and they want you to step out of your comfort zone and pick the "obvious answer" anyway even if it doesn't feel totally right. The other type is the antithesis of the previous form -- where they describe what seems like a classic pathology EXCEPT for some bit that doesn't fit, and this time you're not supposed to ignore it because the answer is actually a related but slightly different pathology that you've never heard of but which you can discern based on its name.

So overall, with the exception of those 2 questions that seemed completely foreign, the test seemed entirely devoid of "experimental" or "wtf" questions. If you told me that every single question counted, I would believe it.

And then about 5-10% of the exam consisted of questions that were simply very difficult but "fair game." These were mostly physiology or biochem questions where I had to do mental gymnastics to build an argument for a particular answer, and even then I wasn't totally confident in my answer. These are the type of questions where I knew I could figure it out if I had extra time but couldn't process it in time to arrive at a conclusive answer. Sometimes I had to resort to playing "which one is not like the others" with the answer choices, lol.

Finally, there were a handful of questions that weren't particularly hard and would otherwise be a slam-dunk, but I just couldn't remember something about the topic and spent way too long thinking about it. Luckily, there were only like 2-3 of these, and I think I got them right in the end. This is where memorization pays off.

Ethics, stats, imaging, and auscultation were EZ-PZ.

Stems weren't any longer.

The "Step 2" style question rumor is a complete myth. The clinical management questions were pure logic questions. Would knowing the management algorithm for X disease cold by having read UptoDate make it easier? Duh. But that's not the exam writer's intention. The questions were 100% written for pre-clinical students and can be answered with common sense if you have solid fundamentals.

A couple histology questions were tough.

Time management was only slightly tougher than practice tests. I still finished the blocks with ~20 minutes to spare, but the difference was that I marked way more questions. I mark very liberally to begin with, and today my threshold was even lower because of the high stakes. This may have been a strategic error in hindsight as I had too many marked cards to review on a few blocks. However, I settled into a strategy of "hand-marking" the ones I REALLY wanted to come back to by writing their # on my dry-erase sheet.

And finally, I totally reject what has become somewhat of a cliche expression among med students that Step 1 feels like "7 hard blocks of UW." To me, it felt like 7 blocks of really hard NBME. I think most people just say its similar to UW because the software looks just like UW. However, the "feel" of the questions, in my opinion, was pure NBME.
Exam experiences are so variable because of perception, but probably not content. The one thing I think varies between tests is length. Unfortunately, some get very long vignettes while others get a more classic NBME style. I think it would be hard for people to completely misjudge the length of their vignettes. It makes me think there must be, to a certain extent, certain "forms" of the exam. Mine were definitely longer than UW on average, and I finished each block with ~5-7 minutes left instead of my usual 15 minutes on UW. I talked to classmates who, like me, were pressed for time each block. I talked to others who said it would have been a leisurely pace if they hadn't been completely hyped up.

Overall, I think if you have anxiety about differing tests, chalk it up to perception. I thought the second section of UWSA2 was the hardest block I'd ever taken. Percentages say otherwise, and my own % correct was barely different from the other blocks (2 extra wrong vs. my average on that exam). People think it's like UW due to the interface, but honestly I think from everyone I've talked to that it is like NBMEs with long vignettes and an abandonment of the idea that anything is "high yield". Don't get yourself in a knot thinking about how it's going to be variable/random. You are as prepared as you are ever going to be, so take it one question at a time and know that everyone is in the same boat.
 
So how does everyone feel that the USMLEs are becoming pass fail?

All that hard work and a 200 willl = a 270

https://www.ama-assn.org/sites/default/files/media-browser/public/hod/a18-ref-comm-combined.pdf

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such a snowflake policy. I am someone that this policy would likely extremely favor as I would put my research up against anybody else applying for the field I want, and I still think its garbage and wouldn't want it to happen. How dare we actually compare intelligence/work ethic in a standardized way? I mean who would want that? We might hurt people's feelings. Trash.
 
AMA doesn't determine whether the score is pass/fail. The institutions that matter are the NBME, LCME and ACGME. So AMA having a vote doesn't change much. Perhaps a change in policy will be implemented in the next few years, but I'm doubtful. There is plenty of evidence that higher scores on step 1, beyond simply passing, predict higher scores on inservice exams in residency.
 
You can still get IM with a 220.

I know. I'm hoping to be a little more competitive though so that I have a wider range of options. In the end I'll probably be going somewhere within an hour or so distance of my SO. He's a year ahead so no couple's match but we've been looking at places along the east coast. I just don't really want to get "stuck". Even though you know, at the end of the day any score will be better than failing and I won't complain if I have to go to my home institution, but I'd rather not be forced to. I'm still hoping for a 230 +, if the forces that be act in my favor I will.
 
such a snowflake policy. I am someone that this policy would likely extremely favor as I would put my research up against anybody else applying for the field I want, and I still think its garbage and wouldn't want it to happen. How dare we actually compare intelligence/work ethic in a standardized way? I mean who would want that? We might hurt people's feelings. Trash.
You realize that the very people training you in residency are the ones who didn't used to need step scores to be in that residency right?

Calm yourself, Iago.
 
AMA doesn't determine whether the score is pass/fail. The institutions that matter are the NBME, LCME and ACGME. So AMA having a vote doesn't change much. Perhaps a change in policy will be implemented in the next few years, but I'm doubtful. There is plenty of evidence that higher scores on step 1, beyond simply passing, predict higher scores on inservice exams in residency.
AMA is everything, they are the medical lobby, pretty much they run the NRMP, which yes is government run, but they lobby our government hard, if they decided tomorrow that NBME exams won't be used for licensing, then it won't exist, money talks and they have the most out of any lobby. I agree higher scores are better indicators of higher scores on more step exams. This will make residency directors work much much harder.
 
Okay, last one. Test is Thursday.

NBME 15: 198 (4 weeks)
UWSA1: 232
Free 120: 77%
NBME 18: 215 (1 week)
UWSA2: 230 (2 days)

Should i be feeling okay?

You got this! The general trend that I've noticed is that if you have managed to pass all your NBMEs and remain pretty consistent you will do okay, and most people I know personally do 5-15 points higher than their last NBME score (usually 17 or 18) Everyone has different goals that they want to reach. For me its a 230 and if I do better than that I'll be insanely happy. I'm nervous as hell but I think it'll be okay. My test is Friday. I think you'll easily get somewhere in the mid 220s if the "general trend" holds true. Focus on your weak spots tomorrow and kill it Thursday!
 
You got this! The general trend that I've noticed is that if you have managed to pass all your NBMEs and remain pretty consistent you will do okay, and most people I know personally do 5-15 points higher than their last NBME score (usually 17 or 18) Everyone has different goals that they want to reach. For me its a 230 and if I do better than that I'll be insanely happy. I'm nervous as hell but I think it'll be okay. My test is Friday. I think you'll easily get somewhere in the mid 220s if the "general trend" holds true. Focus on your weak spots tomorrow and kill it Thursday!

Thanks! My goal is also a 230, but a mid 220s score will more than make me happy.

Best of luck to you!
 
such a snowflake policy. I am someone that this policy would likely extremely favor as I would put my research up against anybody else applying for the field I want, and I still think its garbage and wouldn't want it to happen. How dare we actually compare intelligence/work ethic in a standardized way? I mean who would want that? We might hurt people's feelings. Trash.

I scored well on Step 1 and I am totally in favor of this new proposed policy. This test should be a minimum competency exam and nothing more. Anyone who says higher step score = better doctor is seriously naive. It may be a decent predictor of performance on future standardized tests, but that does not equate to clinical proficiency.
 
I scored well on Step 1 and I am totally in favor of this new proposed policy. This test should be a minimum competency exam and nothing more. Anyone who says higher step score = better doctor is seriously naive. It may be a decent predictor of performance on future standardized tests, but that does not equate to clinical proficiency.

Although there definitely is some correlation to clinical proficiency (I doubt that all the high scorers go on to mess up the clinics and all the low scorers become superstars), this test is about giving hard workers opportunity to match to better programs regardless of what school they went to. Also, are you trying to say that Step 2 or Step 3 have no correlation to clinical ability? A seriously naive person is one who thinks that all the high scorers are somehow worse human beings and all the low scorers somehow care more about their patients. Ability + ethics is what make a good doctor and i get a feeling that hard workers are likely to be more trusted than those that spend less time dedicated to their profession.

I am pretty convinced that if AMA were to introduce a pass fail policy it would be just to pander to certain political groups. Why have MCAT then? Hey and SAT? Also, how are you going to rank foreign applicants? I bet any residency director would rather have a high scoring IMG than an AMG with a pass from a lower tier school if IMGs have anything other than a pass/fail which they probably would in this scenario.

Standardized tests are a necessary evil. Those trying to get rid of them are, as mentioned above, either trying to introduce political correctness into medicine because of whatever reasons or the same folks that wonder why we dont read Harrison's these days. What they dont realize is that Goljan's rapid review 2018 is probably almost as thick as harrisons they knew back when you could pretty much match plastics with a 210. Competition is good and a part of what makes US what it is now.
 
Thanks! My goal is also a 230, but a mid 220s score will more than make me happy.

Best of luck to you!

It's honestly so nice to see someone on the normal end of the spectrum when it comes to scores. I love the SDN community and a lot of these people are badasses but it gave me a lot of anxiety seeing so many people who are 250 + scorers. I'm just...not lol. I'm about as average as average can be haha!
 
Lol BS. Atleast it gives you a fair chance vs a annoyed resident ****ing up your eval and costing you residency if this is removed.


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Can confirm, this has happened to people I know where garbage residents gave people horrible evals for absolutely no reason and almost screwed over some people trying to get really competitive spots.
 
It's honestly so nice to see someone on the normal end of the spectrum when it comes to scores. I love the SDN community and a lot of these people are badasses but it gave me a lot of anxiety seeing so many people who are 250 + scorers. I'm just...not lol. I'm about as average as average can be haha!

Average medical student here. Can confirm that I get a little giddy when I read posts from people who are more than satisfied with an average score. No offense to anyone who strives for 240 - 270. I truly admire people who possess the knowledge and test taking skills necessary to achieve the pinnacle of medicine based standardized testing. With that being said...the anxiety is real if you're lurking sdn and forget that 250 isn't 50th percentile.
 
such a snowflake policy. I am someone that this policy would likely extremely favor as I would put my research up against anybody else applying for the field I want, and I still think its garbage and wouldn't want it to happen. How dare we actually compare intelligence/work ethic in a standardized way? I mean who would want that? We might hurt people's feelings. Trash.
This policy would absolutely wreck the top DO's and IMG's. Right now the only way that those groups have to distinguish themselves as equal to the USMDs is Step 1. I highly doubt it will happen though. And if it does, we'll be so far gone we won't even care.
 
It's honestly so nice to see someone on the normal end of the spectrum when it comes to scores. I love the SDN community and a lot of these people are badasses but it gave me a lot of anxiety seeing so many people who are 250 + scorers. I'm just...not lol. I'm about as average as average can be haha!

Average medical student here. Can confirm that I get a little giddy when I read posts from people who are more than satisfied with an average score. No offense to anyone who strives for 240 - 270. I truly admire people who possess the knowledge and test taking skills necessary to achieve the pinnacle of medicine based standardized testing. With that being said...the anxiety is real if you're lurking sdn and forget that 250 isn't 50th percentile.

Hah! Yes, I am more than okay being average. Do i have what it takes for a super high score? Maybe, but for sure not in the 6 week dedicated period my school gave me.

Average is OKAY. You don’t close a lot of doors with a 230. I was never gunning for the high end specialties anyway
 
This policy would absolutely wreck the top DO's and IMG's. Right now the only way that those groups have to distinguish themselves as equal to the USMDs is Step 1. I highly doubt it will happen though. And if it does, we'll be so far gone we won't even care.
Not to mention what it'll do to med school admissions and the greater medical leadership. You know why we care about MCAT and grades? Because we care about step 1 scores. It's not a perfect correlation, but it is a correlation. Get rid of pre-clinical grades. Get rid of step 1. What are you left with? You think anyone is going to read Robbin's or Harrison's when their grades are subjective and decided by angry residents and listless attendings who don't know you anyway?

Now med schools will be trying to select the students who will succeed in the new system. That's really how they decide. If you sit in on discussions, they refer to applicants as people who are gonna do well on step 1 or clerkships or both. Might as well just submit your height, weight, and picture if you nix step 1. We admitted a ton of people with DO-level stats to a top 30 basically because they were good looking and charming at the interview (i.e. will do well on clerkships). The new "high yield" is "How to Win Friends and Influence People." I'm not saying the current system is wrong, but certainly it needs the high scorers to even it out, and the residency process needs the same.

Getting rid of this objectivity is a massive "Forget You" to the idea that those at the top of medicine will actually be knowledgeable and hardworking as opposed to good looking and excellent at manipulating the system. We already do a horrible job of that as pedigree is everything and most of being a good premed was finding an easy major and a research mentor who would publish you. Goodbye cheap state school tuition for those of us already in deep from undergrad. Step 1 was the only thing you really couldn't get around. Everyone knew what to do, was faced with the same amount of time, and you just had to grind and rely on hard work and talent. Maybe the test isn't perfect, but it's way more perfect than anything else we have. If it's not step 1, then let it be step 2, but don't let go of standardized testing.

Do this and medicine goes the way of finance. Those at the top are tall, good-looking men who learned to manipulate the system in their favor and continue to manipulate the system in their favor to the detriment of everyone around them. Then they have their smart guy jockeys who sit in small offices somewhere in NYC doing whichever calculations they're told to do to maximize corporate gain. Medicine will be tall, good-looking, male chiefs (already a thing) with the smart nerds in the path labs and as hospitalists.

Step 1 doesn't measure what it's supposed to measure. It doesn't measure clinical acumen. It does measure someone's ability to grind though, and it's a good filter to let the hardest working, most intelligent people rise to the top. I don't know a single 260+ scorer who isn't intensely dedicated to medicine. I do know a ton of people in the 200s with tons of pubs through good luck or nepotism/favoritism though.
 
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Anybody got their score report today? I took my test on 5/18 and was hoping for a score by today at noon but that hasn't happened yet. Looks like it may be July 11th at this point.
 
Anybody got their score report today? I took my test on 5/18 and was hoping for a score by today at noon but that hasn't happened yet. Looks like it may be July 11th at this point.
I haven't seen many reports from this week or last week. Even people saying their permit disappeared. I'd just sit tight. I think we're in it for the long wait. I took mine before you and I've got nothing.
 
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