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*~*~*~*Official AMCAS "Work/Activities" Tips Thread 2012-2013*~*~*~*

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I lumped several academic awards together using "enter" to space out each one. When I hit "print application using HTML" the formatting looks messed up and I lose the spacing. However, when I use "print using PDF" everything looks fine.

Anyone know which version the adcoms will see?
 
is it okay if we split an activity into two different entries and the hours overlap? for instance, I listed the hours for my job as a medical assistant as 40 hrs/week to show that I do work full time. there is also a large shadowing component that goes along with this job, so I listed that under Shadowing (primarily so I needed more description space) and put down 20 hrs/week. I just wanted to make sure this was ethical because the 20 hrs a week is actually part of the 40 hrs/week.
 
Two questions:
1) for hobbies and such I placed myself as the contact. Big no no?

2) And I have three meaningful experiences such as feeding the homeless, volunteering at a medical camp, and going to guatemala (which I wrote my PS about). Also big no no?
1) For Hobbies, this is not problem, but if even one of them involved lessons, a gym, a competition, that gives you a contact to put in the header. Anything listed under that you needn't feel compelled to provide another contact for.

2) You would want to try not to give much repetitive information if you commented on the same activity in the PS.
 
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In my "honors, distinctions, etc." entry would it be appropriate to list a special scholarship I received during my senior year of high school for college? It was through a large healthcare provider's foundation that gave scholarships to excelling students pursuing healthcare. Not sure if I should include this because technically I received it at the end of my senior year, but the scholarship was for undergraduate tuition
If the scholarship required you to maintain a certain GPA in college to maintain it from year to year, then you could include it (and mention those criteria). If it was solely based on HS accomplishments/or a one-time lump sum sort of thing, then I would not bother including it.
 
Two quick questions again (sorry!) -- my mother's a physician with her own private practice, and I volunteered as a clinical intern. This involved answering phones, dealing with patient charts/filing, manning the front desk occasionally, talking to patients, helping her nurses enter things into computers, etc.

1. Could this be clinical/medical volunteering?
2. Is it weird to list this because it is my mother who is the physician? Can I list her as the main contact? The person who heads her hiring is also my dad, so I don't know how much listing him would help...
1) It could, since part of the activity included patient phone calls and front desk interactions (maybe you even roomed patients?). It depends on how often that was a part of your duties. You might mention your estimate of the degree of patient interaction in the description. If it was rare, then maybe saying it was clinical would be misleading (though a tiny bit true). It might be better to designate it nonclinical and comment in the description about what degree of patient interaction you did have.

2) You could list either, but why not use the head nurse or regular receptionist/clerk instead?
 
1. I have an extra spot and am considering splitting up my shadowing hours so I can write more about what I saw/learned in each. I have shadowed 3 MDs and 3 DOs - is it okay to split them this way even though I am applying MD?

2. For the rest of my experiences (the non-most meaningful), should I include a line or two about what I learned and why it was meaningful? Or just leave it at explaining the place and what my responsibilities were?
1) MD programs aren't going to care bout the letters after a doc's name, so you could do as you suggest, or you might consider dividing them in more logical ways, eg, by primary care (Internal Med/Peds/OBGYN/Family Med) vs specialists/surgeons. Or by Private vs Public Practice. Or by dates: more recent vs long ago.

2) Your responsibilites would be more important, unless they are self-evident. If there is extra space, a one-sentence comment or reflection, even something funny, would be good to include.
 
1) Would it be okay to include winning competitions during/before high school in singing/piano (listed under leisuretime activities)?

2) How strict are they on this? I don't really know what else to put, other than how long I have been doing these activities. It seems strange to name examples of things I can sing / play.
1) Only if you continued to engage in singing or piano during the college years. And I would hesitate to include anything before HS unless it was the equivalent of America's Most Talented TV Show.

2) What type of music do you like best, solo vs ensemble/group-type performance, hours you've practiced per week most recently, public performances-even if not paid, favorite song. If you are passionate about music, I would hope this is evident from what you say, especially if you dedicate an entire space to this interest.
 
is it okay if we split an activity into two different entries and the hours overlap? for instance, I listed the hours for my job as a medical assistant as 40 hrs/week to show that I do work full time. there is also a large shadowing component that goes along with this job, so I listed that under Shadowing (primarily so I needed more description space) and put down 20 hrs/week. I just wanted to make sure this was ethical because the 20 hrs a week is actually part of the 40 hrs/week.
Glad you asked. DO NOT double count the hours. It will not be taken well.

Either subtract the shadowing time from the first activity (which I doubt you'll want to do, since you don't want the full-time job to be overlooked),

Or, don't fill in the hours per week blank for the Shadowing entry, instead commenting in the description that 50% of your medical assistant work hours included time in the physician's presence, which comes to about XXX hours.

Or, don't list the shadowing separately or with other shadowing you might have done, instead naming the activity "Medical Assistant and Physician Shadowing," and at the end of the entry state that 50% of the activity was also shadowing time (your activity description would already include under what circumstances you worked in the doc's presence) for about XXX total hours.
 
Something I do often is shop at outlet warehouses, where damaged and defective clothes are sent, and repair the clothes for friends and family. Should I list this as a hobby, and just say "sewing" or mention specifically what I do? .. Or is this too ridiculous to list in the first place? Thanks!
 
Something I do often is shop at outlet warehouses, where damaged and defective clothes are sent, and repair the clothes for friends and family. Should I list this as a hobby, and just say "sewing" or mention specifically what I do? .. Or is this too ridiculous to list in the first place? Thanks!
I think it sounds like a Hobby. If it's more than sewing, maybe name it "Clothing Reclamation"? Don't call it "Volunteer Personal Shopper" (LOL).
 
My brain is fried...need help coming up with a decent experience name. I have several major volunteering activities, each of which have been given their own spot. I also have a few stragglers (<50 hours) that I am trying to group together.

Right now I have "Intermittent Volunteering" but think that name sucks/gives bad impression. Any better suggestions?
 
My brain is fried...need help coming up with a decent experience name. I have several major volunteering activities, each of which have been given their own spot. I also have a few stragglers (<50 hours) that I am trying to group together.

Right now I have "Intermittent Volunteering" but think that name sucks/gives bad impression. Any better suggestions?
"Short-Term Volunteering Involvement" is a consideration.
 
There is a volunteer research program at my school that requires one 4-hour shift per week. It is completely voluntary but your first semester taking part in it you are required to sign up for a two credit course designation for it (I'm assuming so they can charge you tuition for it) and thus will get an A if you simply attend the meetings. The following semester if you are asked to return it is volunteer and no credits are required.

So for the first semester I cannot list those hours as clinical volunteer or research because I am getting a letter grade for it even if it is voluntary?

Thanks so much!
 
There is a volunteer research program at my school that requires one 4-hour shift per week. It is completely voluntary but your first semester taking part in it you are required to sign up for a two credit course designation for it (I'm assuming so they can charge you tuition for it) and thus will get an A if you simply attend the meetings. The following semester if you are asked to return it is volunteer and no credits are required.

So for the first semester I cannot list those hours as clinical volunteer or research because I am getting a letter grade for it even if it is voluntary?
IMO, resesearch should always be listed under Research, whether volunteer, for class credit, or paid, so list it all under Research. That one term was curricular and graded is evident from your transcript. If you are paid, you would make a note of it. If there is interaction with patients, you would make the clinical element apparent from the Name you give the activity and within the description.

The reason we require that you sign up for course credit initially is that long experience tells us you are more likely to be a reliable helper if you have something to lose by not showing up. By the second term, we know your work ethic and the concern is settled. There are also issues of liability that are satisfied if you're an official enrollee in a university program.
 
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Wonderful. That explains it. Also glad to hear they're not just taking my money because they can 😉

One quick clarification if I may, would I be able to list it as Volunteer: Clinical if my application is lacking in that area? I will be dealing directly with patients. Or is it simply Research?
 
Just wondering... who should I put for contact information for the Dean's honor list?

And I received a scholarship for three years..should I list that as well?

Thanks!
 
I was awarded a scholarship last year through the national offices of my sorority. I was featured in an article (picture and quote) about scholarship recipients in the national quarterly magazine. Would it be worthwhile (or on the flipside, will it seem arrogant) to include a note about that under that scholarship info?
 
Also glad to hear they're not just taking my money because they can 😉

One quick clarification if I may, would I be able to list it as Volunteer: Clinical if my application is lacking in that area? I will be dealing directly with patients. Or is it simply Research?
It is research. For AMCAS purposes, it is not considered to be a volunteer, ie humanitarian or altruistic, activity any more than your volunteering to attend college would be.

If this is your only clinical patient interaction, then use the techniques outlined in the previous post, and also be sure to highlight the patient interaction in your description.

Your specific project/PI, BTW, in no way benefits directly from the tuition collected so that you can earn academic credit.
 
1) Just wondering... who should I put for contact information for the Dean's honor list?

2) And I received a scholarship for three years..should I list that as well?
1) The college's registrar is aware of all your academic honors.

2) If it was awarded solely based on HS achievement, then no. If it is need-based, then no (you'll put that elsewhere). If it was merit-based or competitive, then yes.
 
I was awarded a scholarship last year through the national offices of my sorority. I was featured in an article (picture and quote) about scholarship recipients in the national quarterly magazine. Would it be worthwhile (or on the flipside, will it seem arrogant) to include a note about that under that scholarship info?
I think it depends on how and why you got the scholarship. If it was a recognition for meritorious service of some sort, all that would be worth mentioning.
 
A few questions:

1.) I am concerned about grouping a bunch of past activities like work and research throughout undergrad. I'm a non-trad and have been out of undergrad for a bit. I grouped them all together but that didn't really provide me much space to say much of what I learned but more on the hours, contact, and what I did. Is that okay?

2.) People have mentioned not choosing your 3 meaningful if you had it as a paragraph in your PS. But, if I decided to choose them and speak to the other transformative experiences, would that be okay?

3.) Is too much research on the application considered bad? I have a number of conference presentations/publications that are listed, which also take up quite a good portion of the character count. Most of it was was done in the past in undergrad. for work.

Thanks!
 
I'm not sure if this is the right thread, but I have a question about entering courses.

I took two AP classes, economics and human geography. My first college gave me seven credits (3 for econ and 4 for human geo). The transcript only shows them as AP credits, and not classes.

My second college that I attend now gave me two classes for six credits, Major World Regions and Human Geography. They didn't give me econ credits and I don't know where the Major World Regions class came from.

On my application, should I use the classes from my first college (AP credit but no class names?) or from my transfer institution (AP credits transferred to classes but one less credit)?
 
1.) I am concerned about grouping a bunch of past activities like work and research throughout undergrad. I'm a non-trad and have been out of undergrad for a bit. I grouped them all together but that didn't really provide me much space to say much of what I learned but more on the hours, contact, and what I did. Is that okay?

2.) People have mentioned not choosing your 3 meaningful if you had it as a paragraph in your PS. But, if I decided to choose them and speak to the other transformative experiences, would that be okay?

3.) Is too much research on the application considered bad? I have a number of conference presentations/publications that are listed, which also take up quite a good portion of the character count. Most of it was was done in the past in undergrad. for work.

Thanks!
1) That's fine. As a nontrad, you'd be expected to have more recent, interesting activities to highlight.

2) As long as there's not a lot of duplicated information, that's fine to discuss an activity both in the PS as well as in the extra "Most Meaningful" space.

3) If your stats are competitive enough to give you a shot at the top twenty, then highlighting your research is a good idea. If you're most interested in primary care or your stats are more on the average side, then you can group your research/presentations/publications to free up spaces that can be used to emphasize your interest in activites that suit the missions of schools with a focus to which you are drawn.
 
I'm not sure if this is the right thread, but I have a question about entering courses.

I took two AP classes, economics and human geography. My first college gave me seven credits (3 for econ and 4 for human geo). The transcript only shows them as AP credits, and not classes.

My second college that I attend now gave me two classes for six credits, Major World Regions and Human Geography. They didn't give me econ credits and I don't know where the Major World Regions class came from.

On my application, should I use the classes from my first college (AP credit but no class names?) or from my transfer institution (AP credits transferred to classes but one less credit)?
Here is the thread you need:
General AMCAS questions: http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=895286
 
Thanks Cat! One follow-up question:

1.) I know that most people say it's inadvisable to list a shadowing experience on its own and to group them. But I had one experience that really meant a lot in terms of what I learned about the field of medicine as a whole, and not just observing the procedures being done, etc. If this is the case, would be alright to put this in its own slot and discuss my experience with that physician?

Thanks again for all your help!
 
I know that most people say it's inadvisable to list a shadowing experience on its own and to group them. But I had one experience that really meant a lot in terms of what I learned about the field of medicine as a whole, and not just observing the procedures being done, etc. If this is the case, would be alright to put this in its own slot and discuss my experience with that physician?
If you need more space to discuss a single shadowing experience, it's fine to list on its own, but you want to be sure to title the two experiences differently so they won't be confused. Maybe, "Extra Physician Shadowing Experiences," and "Most-Motivating Shadowing/Observation of a Pediatrician" or somesuch.
 
I'm an online sportswriter (not for ESPN, but for reputable, known websites). I also have my own website that contains all my articles. I'm not being paid. Should I list this as "artistic endeavors" (writing=art?) or "hobbies/avocations/leisure activities."
Either is fine. Pick the one that balances your application best so you have more of the categories covered. If the URL is short, you might consider embedding a link to your website to highlight your writing, in case someone is interested in looking at it.
 
If you need more space to discuss a single shadowing experience, it's fine to list on its own, but you want to be sure to title the two experiences differently so they won't be confused. Maybe, "Extra Physician Shadowing Experiences," and "Most-Motivating Shadowing/Observation of a Pediatrician" or somesuch.

Sorry about the multi-question posts - this should be the last one. I didn't make a separate category for shadowing because I have them embedded into other experiences, such as when I was volunteer in the ED. Would it be better to separate them out into their own section to ensure they don't get lost in the mix or is that unnecessary and not embed them?
 
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Great stuff. Another question about titles; How would you guys label an embedded/combined non-medical volunteering? Would you list out a keyword for each experience separated by comma? (i.e. Up Till Dawn, Animal Shelter, Children's Carnival) or (i.e. Combined Volunteer Experience).

Also, is it recommended to provide a contact name for each experience in the description section, or just one contact for the most important one, etc.

Thanks
 
I have a quick question. I'm done with my amcas but haven't submitted because I only have 10 hours of shadowing. Should I shadow more doctors and wait to submit or just submit now?

And by wait, it would be around a one-month wait.
 
1) Another question about titles; How would you guys label an embedded/combined non-medical volunteering? Would you list out a keyword for each experience separated by comma? (i.e. Up Till Dawn, Animal Shelter, Children's Carnival) or (i.e. Combined Volunteer Experience).

2) Also, is it recommended to provide a contact name for each experience in the description section, or just one contact for the most important one, etc.
1) I'd propbably use a more generic title, since you'll have to spell out all the names in the entry anyway. You could also use "Short-Term Volunteering," or "Extra Nonmedical Community Service." Or somesuch.

2) The contact for the most important one goes in the header; for the rest, a contact for each is preferred in the description. For something like Shadowing, you can skimp a bit if you need to.
 
I have a quick question. I'm done with my amcas but haven't submitted because I only have 10 hours of shadowing. Should I shadow more doctors and wait to submit or just submit now?

And by wait, it would be around a one-month wait.
The answer would be best given after a more detailed analysis of your overall ECs, which is not within the scope of this thread. Unfortunately, you appear to have deleted the relevant information from your WAMC thread. Post in the main PreMedAllo forum for the most robust responses.
 
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Hey, so I need some advice. I have been brewing beer for close to a year and a half now and I consider it one of my favorite hobbies. I actually submitted three of my home brews into a local county fair and received honorable mentions for two of them. Should I mention this hobby of mine on the work/activities section of my application? Help!
 
Just a word of warning to anyone submitting soon.

I put in a title: Proficiency in "R" Statistical Computing Software, and it was cut off when I submitted to just say Proficiency in.

Also, any ideas on how to deal with an error like this? AMCAS won't change the application, so I'm curious how others would handle it. Should I contact schools directly when the time comes?
 
Another question,

Is the "Teaching/Tutoring" section meant for just academic-related teaching endeavors? Or would sports coaching, like giving private tennis lessons count in that area.
 
1) The college's registrar is aware of all your academic honors.

2) If it was awarded solely based on HS achievement, then no. If it is need-based, then no (you'll put that elsewhere). If it was merit-based or competitive, then yes.

Thanks Cat!

Yeah it was merit based and competitive. I was wondering..what should I put as hours/week...I mean I didn't spend extra time on it or anything..except during the period I spent writing the essays for it.....

Thank you!
 
I put in a title: Proficiency in "R" Statistical Computing Software, and it was cut off when I submitted to just say Proficiency in.

Also, any ideas on how to deal with an error like this? AMCAS won't change the application, so I'm curious how others would handle it. Should I contact schools directly when the time comes?
I expect that the description you wrote explains adequately what you intended. I wouldn't worry about it or go out of my way to mention it. Adcomms will figure it out.
 
I have been brewing beer for close to a year and a half now and I consider it one of my favorite hobbies. I actually submitted three of my home brews into a local county fair and received honorable mentions for two of them. Should I mention this hobby of mine on the work/activities section of my application?
I see no reason not to mention it, provided you are politically correct and the dates don't suggest the onset occurred before you turned 21.
 
I expect that the description you wrote explains adequately what you intended. I wouldn't worry about it or go out of my way to mention it. Adcomms will figure it out.

I described it well and mentioned exactly what the software is. Thank you for the response, if nothing else to make me feel better about it. I wasn't too scared, just annoyed by the browser error 🙂
 
Should I include a "poster presentation" that I did for my senior design project in there? I also one a best award for this... and along with creating an LLC for this idea. I feel like I spent a good amount of time for this idea and wondering if its worth it to include or omit?

And if I keep what do I say? Was evaluated by 3 groups of judges and won best award? (I don't want overlap too much or is this ok?)
 
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Should I include a "poster presentation" that I did for my senior design project in there? I also one a best award for this... and along with creating an LLC for this idea. I feel like I spent a good amount of time for this idea and wondering if its worth it to include or omit?

And if I keep what do I say? Was evaluated by 3 groups of judges and won best award? (I don't want overlap too much or is this ok?)
Presuming this was a campus poster/presentation, I'd mention it after the description of the project itself (in the Other category), to give it more context. Though, alternatively, you could add the recognition to the Honors/Awards space. Be sure to mention how competitve it was, and to share credit with other contributors.
 
I currently am a research assistant at the new york state psychiatric institute....but I also go out into the field and perform diagnostic interviews for the studies as well....
do I list it as research or volunteer/ clinical work?
 
I currently am a research assistant at the new york state psychiatric institute....but I also go out into the field and perform diagnostic interviews for the studies as well....
do I list it as research or volunteer/ clinical work?
This should be listed under Research, whether volunteer, for class credit, paid, or a mix. If you are interviewing patients, then it would be considered clinical experience, too, and you'll want to make that clear from the title you give the activity (eg, Psychiatric Research Assistant and Patient Interviewer) and by emphasizing that component of the activity (particularly if you don't have other experience with sick people).
 
Ok, I lied, more questions.

This 700 character cap is killing me. I feel like I can either talk about the hobby and what I/why I enjoyed it, but I can't really write anything polished. How do you guys recommend writing these? Should they be purely information and try and convey as much as possible, or should I convey enough to let them know about it while maintaining a well-flowing paragraph or two?
 
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