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Digging deep now. Looks like NBPME has offered free retesting in the past.

Defendants mitigated the harms suffered by plaintiffs by offering a specially-scheduled, free of charge retest in January. Although, as plaintiffs claim, this January, "pencil-and-paper" test was not an identical to the July Exam, it provided affected test takers with the opportunity to obtain valid and timely exam scores. All but five students passed this January Exam.

Doe v. National Board of Podiatric Medical Examiners, 03 Civ. 4034 (RWS), (S.D.N.Y. Jun. 19, 2003)

A lawsuit may not amount to much, but if students who fail create enough noise and are able to get another opportunity to take the test for free, that may be the best outcome available.

Doe v. National Board of Podiatric Medical Examiners

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Yes, the podiatry equivalent of driving a used Hyundai.
That's what everyone wants to strive for after 7 or 8 years and $300k+ spent in training?

If we're using car analogies, then I guess getting ABFAS is like buying a used Land Rover?
- better and harder to get than a used Hyundai...
- ...but for a majority of customers they may be overpaying for a brand to do the same thing as a used Hyundai...
- ...and even if you get it, there's better options with the same or greater capabilities

...I guess if you're going to have to drive a money pit, at least drive with s t y l e


And to stay on topic (sorry Dexter) - standardized testing from the podiatry boards can definitely stand to improve. I think the most recent actually positive change I can remember was when they took away CSPE for part 2. So change is possible I guess - just pray for another pandemic 🙂
 
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A lawsuit may not amount to much, but if students who fail create enough noise and are able to get another opportunity to take the test for free, that may be the best outcome available.

Doe v. National Board of Podiatric Medical Examiners
The Ohio College of Pod Med students (now Kent) who were accused of cheating and subsequently group-litigated vs the podiatry board at that same time as the NYCPM you linked got their scores validated and a fair $$ chunk for stress, suffering, time waste, etc. It was probably in the high 4 or low 5 figures... the settlements are likely public record (although just like malpractice or other stuff, some cases may be hard/impossible to search except by attorney offices with their software and connects?). Sure, not life-changing money, but enough to matter to a student and ping the board... and most important, they didn't have to re-test... their disqualified scores changed to pass.
 
The Ohio College of Pod Med students (now Kent) who were accused of cheating and subsequently group-litigated vs the podiatry board at that same time as the NYCPM you linked got their scores validated and a fair $$ chunk for stress, suffering, time waste, etc. It was probably in the high 4 or low 5 figures... the settlements are likely public record (although just like malpractice or other stuff, some cases may be hard/impossible to search except by attorney offices with their software and connects?). Sure, not life-changing money, but enough to matter to a student and ping the board... and most important, they didn't have to re-test... their disqualified scores changed to pass.
The legal document suggests that Barry students also had a lawsuit against NBPME in 2002.
 
The legal document suggests that Barry students also had a lawsuit against NBPME in 2002.
Yeah, maybe all of the pod schools - or at least all of the ones who had some students' results invalidated - did it together (or at least used same attorney). I'm not sure... I just heard a bit about the outcome. I know of OCPM for sure, and NYCPM comes up on search. I wasn't in pod school yet at the time it happened or the judgement.

I'm just pointing out that there is precedent for NBPME being sued by test takers. It's not such a crazy fantasy... it has been done, with success.
 
How many correct do we approximately need to pass?
Based on the math, to get a 75% you’d have to get 113 right. But truly there’s no way to know because we are all compared to each other and then that is normalized. The number correct needed to pass changes with each batch of testers.
 
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How do you know it will be the same?
How could it possibly be fair if it were not the same?
Fail the exam they effed up... and then take an exam harder/easier than peers who passed the dysfunctional exam?
People would then just say the replace exam was unfair or they were busy with class/clinics, etc.

The fact they're giving a free exam and won't be reported as a retake admits they screwed up. I'd say this is all a big clue the NBPME wants to pass everyone this cycle and get this over with (without simply passing everyone, apparently).
 
How could it possibly be fair if it were not the same?
Fail the exam they effed up... and then take an exam harder/easier than peers who passed the dysfunctional exam?
People would then just say the replace exam was unfair or they were busy with class/clinics, etc.

The fact they're giving a free exam and won't be reported as a retake admits they screwed up. I'd say this is all a big clue the NBPME wants to pass everyone this cycle and get this over with (without simply passing everyone, apparently).
Pretty much and legalities. NBPME executive director “retired”. Shocking.
 
As a student that took this completely botched exam, how I’m I supposed to trust the integrity of the result if they couldn’t correctly administer an exam. Idk how to feel, but I guess we’ll see how many people they pass. They claim 83% of first time takers passed before any adjustments. If that’s any true, I hope they push that to closer to 90% after adjustments
 
As a student that took this completely botched exam, how I’m I supposed to trust the integrity of the result if they couldn’t correctly administer an exam. Idk how to feel, but I guess we’ll see how many people they pass. They claim 83% of first time takers passed before any adjustments. If that’s any true, I hope they push that to closer to 90% after adjustments

Will the results tomorrow be with/ or without the adjustments??
 
Will the results tomorrow be with/ or without the adjustments??
I mean I think it’ll be with the complete evaluation. According to the email yesterday, it was an 84% first time pass before APMLE evaluation. I just feel like no matter how they twist and turn this, we’ve been screwed over. Retake is a month away, thats not enough time. idk, I guess we’ll see. I hope we all pass and move on from this bs (but I highly doubt they pass everyone)
 
I mean I think it’ll be with the complete evaluation. According to the email yesterday, it was an 84% first time pass before APMLE evaluation. I just feel like no matter how they twist and turn this, we’ve been screwed over. Retake is a month away, thats not enough time. idk, I guess we’ll see. I hope we all pass and move on from this bs (but I highly doubt they pass everyone)
Can you post this email from yesterday? Not sure where people are getting the 84% pass rate?
 
1st time pass rate is 83.7%. Rasch model of scoring. National average usually hovers around 85%.
See, if you put a fancy word or two and a decimal in there, it almost sounds functional.
It's kinda like when they'd give stats to explain residency shortages after Western opened. Hurray, podiatry.
 
How could it possibly be fair if it were not the same?
Fail the exam they effed up... and then take an exam harder/easier than peers who passed the dysfunctional exam?
People would then just say the replace exam was unfair or they were busy with class/clinics, etc.

The fact they're giving a free exam and won't be reported as a retake admits they screwed up. I'd say this is all a big clue the NBPME wants to pass everyone this cycle and get this over with (without simply passing everyone, apparently).
I doubt it would be the same. Just another version. People have said its unfair in the past and it's never been addressed.

NBPME always wants to find their quota of individuals to fail.

The dean said the bottom 15% of individuals who take boards part 2 fail it, regardless how good the entire cohort of that year are. Now, he said this to a colleague and probably did it somewhat mistakenly because that would be complete and utter bs, but also very likely true on what I've seen.

In my humble opinion, I think NBPME has a quota as well. They want to fail a certain percent each year for part 1,2,3.
 
...The dean said the bottom 15% of individuals who take boards part 2 fail it, regardless how good the entire cohort of that year are..
"The dean" is not too smart. Most of the decent pod schools have 98-100% pass on part 2 if you look it up.
 
"The dean" is not too smart. Most of the decent pod schools have 98-100% pass on part 2 if you look it up.
I knew 10 people out of like a 88 person class that failed part 2. I dont know where these numbers come from but there are errors somewhere for sure.

It's hard to pinpoint how, but they definitely don't report accurately on that number.

They either lie about first time test takers, and just report the 98-100% as a number that individuals pass before graduating, or they find a way to tweak that number elsewhere.

But no way in a million years is that number 98-100% accurate.
 
...They either lie about first time test takers, and just report the 98-100% as a number that individuals pass before graduating, or they find a way to tweak that number elsewhere.

But no way in a million years is that number 98-100% accurate.
Those are the numbers. The schools are required to publish them. It's right there on all of their websites. See for yourself instead of just guessing... "...In my humble opinion, I think NBPME has a quota as well. They want to fail a certain percent each year ..."

Part 1 has a more significant first time fail rate.... but students can take it a few times before graduation (and most who are not bright enough to pass a minimum competency exam eventually will also go to 5yr program, 6yr program... and fail out of pod school classes overall).
This 2024 year, part 1 will effectively have a 100% pass rate on part 1 since the NBPME knows they messed the APMLE exam administration up and want to avoid/minimize a lawsuit. Virtually all will pass after the free re-take next month.

But hardly anybody ever fails part 2 (or pt3). Nbpme knows that has big effects on starting residency. Look pass rates up. A few schools do poor, but they're all much higher than part 1, and at least half the schools are high 90s or 100% consistently.

You are going on ignore for being such a time drag and arguing nonsense (residency doesn't matter, pod residency is hard, pod school is cheap, $160k is enough as a DPM, national boards are tough), but good luck sir. 🙂
 
Passed! This is going to be long so fair warning. These kinds of posts greatly helped me so I thought I'd make my own.

This was my third attempt at this exam. I did not study my first attempt at all. I was burnt out and was fully expecting to fail and then retake and pass. Foolishly things don’t always go to plan as I had a family emergency come up that took up all my study time for the second attempt. Due to the circumstances it was essentially pass my classes or part 1 the second time. I ended up choosing classes. You can make whatever jokes you want but I’m just keeping it real in case someone who reads this is in a similar situation. I genuinely believe this exam is not bad if you put in the time to study.

Now the important part.. resources used/how did I study.

I blocked off about 70 days of dedicated study time. Did I actually study 70 days? No. I’d say it was closer to 60 days of studying and those 60 days varied greatly on how long I studied per day. Most days I studied for about 4-6 hours. I would wake up do my new and review anki cards, take few hours off, and then study just a little bit more at night. The best thing about starting early is you can afford to have a more laid back schedule. I understand this is not feasible for most students because you might be studying for other classes or have other obligations, but I highly suggest giving yourself at least 60 days of study time if you’re like me and get easily distracted. Could you study a week or two and pass? Possibly, but it all depends on how much you remember the material from your first 2 years. Besides for LEA my other subjects were definitely a lot of relearning versus reviewing.


Resources I used what I’d recommend:

LEA: Use your school notes, use your school notes, use your school notes. If for some reason your school does not have good notes, most people recommend Scholl’s or Kent’s (Ohio book) notes. There are some anki’s going around that help cover the smaller details they might ask. I did not use them as I feel LEA is a subject that you can envision versus rote spaced repetition or whatever anki uses. (My deck didn’t have pictures either). Definitely know LEA front and back. I will not lie, most of my LEA was pretty easy all 3 attempts but I know people can get the smaller details wrong so don’t risk it and study this section well.

Microbiology: Sketchy, sketchy, sketchy. I cannot say this enough and most people will say the same thing. Sketchy micro is probably the best resource we have as pods (besides LEA notes) that will help you answer almost all of your questions that you will see on part1. It is concise, has good memory hooks, and the associated anki deck is excellent (Pepper’s anki deck). If you haven’t tried sketchy before please give it a try. Also don’t forget to review some of the smaller stuff you might have forgotten cell wall vs membrane, fungi vs bacteria etc. Sketchy micro teaches some but expects you already know some of the easy details beforehand. Your class notes should be more than sufficient for this.

Immunology: I wasted my time studying for this. I used some board and beyond videos and I thought they were good, but none of the material was on my exam. Same thing with my immunology notes from school. I feel as if my immunology was super specific and random. Definitely know basic stuff though because I did get some questions that were easy.

Pharmacology: Sketchy. Yes people complain about Sketchy Pharm because it is long. But I promise it is so worth it. The only difference it has to sketchy micro is that it is longer, and that it ties in other subjects like pathology/physiology in the sketches. But guess what, a lot of those tie-ins help with path/phys review and I got some physiology questions right simply because I watched these videos and did anki to review them (Pepper’s anki deck again). If you’re starting early and have the time, I recommend watching them. I probably got 90% of my micro and
pharm questions right just because of sketchy.

Pathology: Watched Pathoma videos. I think most people read the book to review but I didn’t have that and instead had some videos. I also found some notes online that people made of each video. People really like pathoma but in my opinion it can be a bit overkill. What I essentially ended up doing was going through the notes I found and writing down buzzwords or associations that I felt were high yield. Most of the pathology you will see on your exam is buzzwordy or obvious if you’ve seen the terms or associations. So if you have path notes from school with buzzwords, study them well. I did have a couple very specific questions that I did not see in the videos so if you’re feeling uncertain and have time just study everything from the book.

Physiology: BRS Physiology. This book is excellent, it covers pretty much all the physio that you will see. However, it is a bit long just for one subject and some of the details are a bit overkill. I would highly recommend taking notes as you read it and focus on the higher yield topics. I didn’t do that so I kind of just went in hoping I remembered most of it and luckily I did.

General Anatomy: 100 concepts Powerpoint and an anki deck I found associated with it. Anatomy is one of those subjects where they tend to focus on specific areas. It can vary but I would suggest just doing the anki cards and reading the powerpoint a couple times and you should probably be alright. I probably got like 60% of the questions right because of this resource.

Biochemistry: All I did for this section was study the glycogen storage diseases, vitamin deficiencies, learn rate limiting steps for the pathways, and other diseases (there should be a good chart in first aid biochemistry section). I didn’t waste my time on other stuff.

Practice tests: Please use all the old/prometric/meazure practice tests available to you. I was lucky and got old practice tests from my upperclassmen. I was scoring basically 70s on most of them and I genuinely feel if you’re scoring that you should pass (some people say you need 90s on them because they’re so “easy” but don’t listen to them). I had some questions that were word for word from old exams or tested the same kind of concepts so please don’t overlook these.

Board vitals: I think as a resource it is good to understand potentially “what kinds of questions they will ask”. It also helps to see what you already know. Don’t use it so much to learn material but it can be used in that way for some subjects. I did 1 complete pass through and probably 200-300 more questions after that. I got a 63% my first pass through and the other 200-300 were around 80% I felt confident enough to not review the rest.

How I felt after the exam:

I finished in less than 2 hours but I went back and really looked at each question. I was 99% sure I got 75 of the 150 questions (I got the shortened version) correct. I was confident in about another 10-15 (85%) but not so much that I would include them into my correct number. The other 50-60 questions I was split between two or had no idea/made an educated guess. I truly believe that if you’re confident in about half the questions that you should pass. Some people claim that you need high percentages like 70% or higher to pass but I believe that number is closer to 55-62%.

Overall: Give yourself a few weeks to study, stick to resources you like/that work, and do lots of practice questions and you will pass. Congrats to everyone who passed and best of luck to those who haven’t taken it yet or need to retake it. You can do it.
 
Still amazed that I managed to pass...

6 weeks of "studying," with lots of "mental health days," espec after clinic...

/u/Adipod's anki deck from Reddit: https://redd.it/vvt5yu

I used Sketchy a lot, but wouldn't recommend it anymore. Pixorize seems better, and a lot of the newer Sketches on Sketchy just aren't that great.

Micro: Sketchy and Adipod deck. Started with it, and was the topic I went the hardest on.

Pharm: Sketchy and Adipod. Skipped out on the anti-cancer drugs, because I wasn't gonna remember that **** anyways.

LLA: Skimmed through our class ppts.

Gen anatomy: Upperclassmen gave us a 100-concepts pdf that I read through like once.

Didn't independently study anything else, and just did 1 run Boardvitals over the course of 3 weeks. A couple of days before the exam, I went through all the questions I got wrong on BV. Always did 10 question quizzes in tutor mode. We had a 100% first time pass rate this year at DMU, so as much as I share this board's sentiment of, "the student matters, not the school," I'm gonna have to be a shill for once and say that the school did a great job of prepping us for boards, at least in hindsight.
 
I failed and I really studied my a$$ off so I’m not sure what to do.

Any advice or suggestions that you really did that helped?
 
I failed and I really studied my a$$ off so I’m not sure what to do.

Any advice or suggestions that you really did that helped?
I took this awhile ago at this point but I bet this still holds true:

Know the most tested subjects in and out. This means know all of your lower extremity anatomy. Next focus on micro and pharmacology.

Focus least on general anatomy and biochem. Just know the very high yield stuff for these. Don’t spend your whole time studying biochem
 
A message to anyone that failed: you can do this. I’ve failed this exam before and was able to pass.

I know this year was filled with a lot of noise from the mishaps. If I were you, I’d try to quiet everything out. Nothing in the past matters. Your only focus now should be to give these next 30 days or so YOUR ALL. You’re smart enough to pass this. You can do this. Below is a list of the resource I thought was the most helpful for each subject. This does not mean the resource I list was the only one I used for that particular subject, just the main one.

LEA - Anki decks (included the Lea flash cards, and other section specific decks). For those who don’t have anki decks, Adipod on Reddit has an anki deck he shared in his comments history.

Micro - Sketchy with corresponding Anki

General Anatomy - 100 concepts with corresponding Anki

Pharm - Board vitals (studying/memorizing the explanations for all the questions, not just the right answer)/some sketchy

Pathology - Board vitals (same as above), some anki

Physiology - the questions at the end of each BRS chapter, even if you don’t read the chapter, and the relevant anki decks. Ninjanerd videos.

Biochem - board vitals. Dirty medicine biochem playlist on YouTube is great, if you have the time.

Not sure if I missed anything but I want to emphasize the usefulness of a few things to help with all subjects. 1. Boards vitals as I listed for several subjects. Really it’s helpful for all subjects and the key is to study the explanations. 2. YouTube has sooooo many helpful videos. If you come across a concept you don’t fully understand in any subject just YouTube a video for that concept. A couple of channels I found helpful are ninjanerd and anatomyzone. 3. Anki, if you haven’t heard that enough from people. I will say anki can get really exhausting sometimes. When that happens take a break so that you’re not mindlessly getting the same card wrong over and over and over

Aim to have the same start time and end time everyday. Most, if not all, of your day should be dedicated to studying (aside from clinic/classes obvi). Eliminate all distractions, specially social. Use the pomodoro method if it helps you stay organized time wise.

If you’re like me and find it encouraging to study among others who are also studying, but don’t want the distraction of being physically around others, check out studystream.

You can do this!!!
 
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I failed and I really studied my a$$ off so I’m not sure what to do.

Any advice or suggestions that you really did that helped?
My advice is to 1. Stay off SDN. - because people like Feli, are going to be handing out poor advice and telling you the test will be the same; which I highly highly doubt. Although the trust for measure is 0, they do claim to have a bank of 4k questions:
2. Talk to a student who did pass (one of your closer school friends) and see what they did
3. Remember it’s quality and not quantity of studying - revise HOW you studied because often times that’s the culprit

Good luck! Stay positive! You can do this!!
 

Do people ever look at this anymore (above)? What's funny to me about it is - I took APMLE part 1 like - a decade ago - but I can immediately look through this guide and see straight forward questions where the answer is still the same and is as applicable as it was 10 years ago.

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