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see the post above yours.
Official: Drexel MSP 08-09
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Hey all,
I remember around this time last year I was very excited to be accepted to Drexel's MSP program. I searched the forumns on SDN and tried to find the one program that would address all my needs. My situation coming into this past year was that i had never taken the MCAT and my overall gpa was around a 3.35. So I def needed to find a program that would give me the opportunity to increase my gpa a little bit and also provide some type of MCAT prep to better prepare myself for an exam I have never taken. I came across the MSP program and thought I found gold!
Unfortunately this was not the case. I should have seen it coming when I found it hard to get in contact with somebody, from the office, who knew what the hell they were talking about when trying to find information about housing, financial aid, etc. If you are giving Drexel the benefit of the doubt then you setting yourself up for a big dissapointment. This will be a recurring theme throughout your academic year. Basically you are on your own. I will repeat this: you are on your own!!!
For me, I came to this program solely for the MCAT prep...i mean come on...full MCAT prep for the year...this has to be a good deal right? Not exactly.
Just as Geo might have briefly touched upon on his post, the MCAT tutors for you guys will most likely be past MSP students who are now taking the much harder IMS classes this coming year. Now lets think about this...most of us will be taking the full course load in the fall (which is 23 credits)...do you really think we are going to be able to recall first year science to help you guys prepare for the MCAT when we are slamming all this extra science material down our own throats? This a question I should have asked myself but I didn't...i just thought somehow Drexel would go out of its way to make it work for the MSP students. Drexel doesn't go out of its way for anyone. Most of the past MCAT tutors put in valiant efforts and a handful of them were able to clearly teach the material but a lot of them (especially during times when they were taking tests) didn't put in any effort to teach the material. I don't blame them, i seriously dont....but where does that leave the MSP students?
The program in general has changed and this past year was the first year of "change". In years beforehand the MSP program was considered kind of a joke...a gpa booster...the only reason people didnt complain about the poor teaching that was going on because these professors would give students extra credit and makeup exams to keep the averages high. This kind of "masked" the poor teaching ability of these teachers.
This year these teachers weren't allowed to give extra credit or make up exams and grades dropped compared to past MSP classes. The administration has basically cut the legs out from some of your future professors. They want gpas to not be inflated.
The overall reason the administration doesn't want inflation of grades was because a lot of students from the MSP class of 2006-2007 who were in the IMS program this year dropped out. The jump from their easy MSP class to the IMS program requirements was too much. This looks terrible when doing program statistics, etc. So administration has made the MSP year significantly harder.
Now this isn't necessarily a bad thing...for I know that the 20 people who are coming back will be more prepared to handle the extra load of classes then past MSP classes. If you are looking for a program to easily inflate your gpa then you have come to wrong program. If you are looking for a program to increase your chance of getting a 30 on the MCAT don't come here either....you will be studying mostly on your own because you will not be getting sufficient help from the program.
I think i have said enough...i am not going to go over the line anymore then i have...if u want more specific info PM me.
I remember around this time last year I was very excited to be accepted to Drexel's MSP program. I searched the forumns on SDN and tried to find the one program that would address all my needs. My situation coming into this past year was that i had never taken the MCAT and my overall gpa was around a 3.35. So I def needed to find a program that would give me the opportunity to increase my gpa a little bit and also provide some type of MCAT prep to better prepare myself for an exam I have never taken. I came across the MSP program and thought I found gold!
Unfortunately this was not the case. I should have seen it coming when I found it hard to get in contact with somebody, from the office, who knew what the hell they were talking about when trying to find information about housing, financial aid, etc. If you are giving Drexel the benefit of the doubt then you setting yourself up for a big dissapointment. This will be a recurring theme throughout your academic year. Basically you are on your own. I will repeat this: you are on your own!!!
For me, I came to this program solely for the MCAT prep...i mean come on...full MCAT prep for the year...this has to be a good deal right? Not exactly.
Just as Geo might have briefly touched upon on his post, the MCAT tutors for you guys will most likely be past MSP students who are now taking the much harder IMS classes this coming year. Now lets think about this...most of us will be taking the full course load in the fall (which is 23 credits)...do you really think we are going to be able to recall first year science to help you guys prepare for the MCAT when we are slamming all this extra science material down our own throats? This a question I should have asked myself but I didn't...i just thought somehow Drexel would go out of its way to make it work for the MSP students. Drexel doesn't go out of its way for anyone. Most of the past MCAT tutors put in valiant efforts and a handful of them were able to clearly teach the material but a lot of them (especially during times when they were taking tests) didn't put in any effort to teach the material. I don't blame them, i seriously dont....but where does that leave the MSP students?
The program in general has changed and this past year was the first year of "change". In years beforehand the MSP program was considered kind of a joke...a gpa booster...the only reason people didnt complain about the poor teaching that was going on because these professors would give students extra credit and makeup exams to keep the averages high. This kind of "masked" the poor teaching ability of these teachers.
This year these teachers weren't allowed to give extra credit or make up exams and grades dropped compared to past MSP classes. The administration has basically cut the legs out from some of your future professors. They want gpas to not be inflated.
The overall reason the administration doesn't want inflation of grades was because a lot of students from the MSP class of 2006-2007 who were in the IMS program this year dropped out. The jump from their easy MSP class to the IMS program requirements was too much. This looks terrible when doing program statistics, etc. So administration has made the MSP year significantly harder.
Now this isn't necessarily a bad thing...for I know that the 20 people who are coming back will be more prepared to handle the extra load of classes then past MSP classes. If you are looking for a program to easily inflate your gpa then you have come to wrong program. If you are looking for a program to increase your chance of getting a 30 on the MCAT don't come here either....you will be studying mostly on your own because you will not be getting sufficient help from the program.
I think i have said enough...i am not going to go over the line anymore then i have...if u want more specific info PM me.
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EZgoin
do not buy old tests, quizzes, notes from anyone off of here. there was a student this past year who went out of his way to organize a share site so that everyone could download old tests, etc.
anyone who is coming back next year from this past MSP class should have a library of old tests, quizzes, papers, etc. that they received from the share website.
no one really spent time collecting anything because this one student, and i really appreciate what he did, organized everything for everyone. I know I saved time instead of wasting it trying to hunt down old exams.
anyone who is coming back next year from this past MSP class should have a library of old tests, quizzes, papers, etc. that they received from the share website.
no one really spent time collecting anything because this one student, and i really appreciate what he did, organized everything for everyone. I know I saved time instead of wasting it trying to hunt down old exams.
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I agree. PM me if you want more info. about this program. Don't enroll in this program if you feel like you don't have other options and if you feel like you need you need to do something for a year. There are other options: programs, jobs, volunteer etc. This program can hurt you more than help you. Even the 20 people who got into IMS from the past MSP year did have their GPA's hurt from their MSP year. People have thought about suing the program b/c of broken promises but no one had the time b/c they were studying for the MCAT!
Also, about the selling of old materials. I personally just want to make a profit and I don't know if you guys will have someone to organize a website for you like we did and I don't know if the website is still running.
Also, we NEVER used all the books we were told to buy. For physics, the notes and old exams are more than enough to get an A. For chemistry the 1st semester, we had a manual that we didn't have to buy from the prof. and had the old exams. That was enough for an A as well. For the second semester, we were told to buy a book and we had old exams but it wasn't enough for an A in my opinion b/c you definitely need a prof. who can teach for organic chem. (really in depth). For pharmacology, you DON'T need the book authored by Rang et. al. For anatomy, the prof. tells you to buy all these books, but for me all I needed were her notes (which I transcribed and willing to sell 🙂 ) and pictures from wikipedia.
Also, about the selling of old materials. I personally just want to make a profit and I don't know if you guys will have someone to organize a website for you like we did and I don't know if the website is still running.
Also, we NEVER used all the books we were told to buy. For physics, the notes and old exams are more than enough to get an A. For chemistry the 1st semester, we had a manual that we didn't have to buy from the prof. and had the old exams. That was enough for an A as well. For the second semester, we were told to buy a book and we had old exams but it wasn't enough for an A in my opinion b/c you definitely need a prof. who can teach for organic chem. (really in depth). For pharmacology, you DON'T need the book authored by Rang et. al. For anatomy, the prof. tells you to buy all these books, but for me all I needed were her notes (which I transcribed and willing to sell 🙂 ) and pictures from wikipedia.
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Hey guys
I'm from Bmore and just got accepted into the MSP program.
i am also looking for a place to stay and potential roomates.
Preferably females but not restricted to that and also preferably furnished apartments or homes.
Let me know if any one will like to team up and look for a place together.
thanks
browny
I'm from Bmore and just got accepted into the MSP program.
i am also looking for a place to stay and potential roomates.
Preferably females but not restricted to that and also preferably furnished apartments or homes.
Let me know if any one will like to team up and look for a place together.
thanks
browny
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MSP graduates and Alumni's
Some of you guys are trashing the MSP program, whlle others are praising the program.
What do you guys expect us incoming mspers to believe.
Those that are trashing the program, please tell us how bad or well you did. If the program didn't help you as much let us know. Does this mean that you are worse than what you started out.
I strongly believe that the program is what you make it. You can possibly tell me that it did not help you in one way or the other.
So please when u trash the program give legitimate reasons why you think it sucked. Did you become a worse person becoz of the program? did the program weaken your credentials?
If not then please quit trashing the program.
Some of us who really need the program need to stay positive and believe that we will make the best out of it, no matter what.
Some Msp graduates say the program was really helpful and it stregthen their credentials
So please before you trash or praise MSP program give us your before and after stats.
thank you
Some of you guys are trashing the MSP program, whlle others are praising the program.
What do you guys expect us incoming mspers to believe.
Those that are trashing the program, please tell us how bad or well you did. If the program didn't help you as much let us know. Does this mean that you are worse than what you started out.
I strongly believe that the program is what you make it. You can possibly tell me that it did not help you in one way or the other.
So please when u trash the program give legitimate reasons why you think it sucked. Did you become a worse person becoz of the program? did the program weaken your credentials?
If not then please quit trashing the program.
Some of us who really need the program need to stay positive and believe that we will make the best out of it, no matter what.
Some Msp graduates say the program was really helpful and it stregthen their credentials
So please before you trash or praise MSP program give us your before and after stats.
thank you
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to mr Geo18. since the MSP program sucked so much. Did it break you instead of make you. Did it weaken instead of stregthen your credentials.
Tell me what the program did for you personally without trashing the professors and the program.
it will help some of us who just got accepted into the program.
Trashing the program all together is not helping us make a decision becoz some students are praising the program.
since you just finish the program, where will you rate urself, better or worse than when u started.
thanks
Tell me what the program did for you personally without trashing the professors and the program.
it will help some of us who just got accepted into the program.
Trashing the program all together is not helping us make a decision becoz some students are praising the program.
since you just finish the program, where will you rate urself, better or worse than when u started.
thanks
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Brownybebs,
I am speaking as an alumnus of the MSP Program from this past year and will be returning for the IMS year. The most accurate description of what the program is like is more like what EZgoin wrote and less like what Geo18 described it as. I took the purpose of this program to be to show that you can improve and I can only speak for myself when I say I did that. If the program "hurt" anybody, which I can't see how it did, it was their own fault and cannot be totally blamed on the program administrators. When life gives you lemons make lemonade! The professors that past MSPers are complaining about were only 2 although they did teach 1 class each semester. Other than them, I thought the professors were great and I learned alot.
The MCAT component that EZgoin described is pretty on target. It was not the best situation, but there were some IMS students who did a great job and went out of their way to help us if we needed it, now whether or not MSP students actually took them up on their offer is a different story. People who felt like the IMS students were horrible teachers had the option of getting a tutor, but since they are complaining, I'm assuming they didnt do that. You will be around your classmates so much, that many of them can/will be a resource as well. If I had an issue with orgo, I would find the person in my class who it was no problem for and I would help them if they were having issues in another subject, etc. Just like anything, you only get out of this program what you put into it. No one expect that they will automatically get an A in every class and a 30+ on the MCAT just because they paid thousands of dollars. That aint gonna cut it! The most helpful thing that you will get from this program, is how to do what you have to do, to get where you want to go. Bottom line. I hope this helps.
I am speaking as an alumnus of the MSP Program from this past year and will be returning for the IMS year. The most accurate description of what the program is like is more like what EZgoin wrote and less like what Geo18 described it as. I took the purpose of this program to be to show that you can improve and I can only speak for myself when I say I did that. If the program "hurt" anybody, which I can't see how it did, it was their own fault and cannot be totally blamed on the program administrators. When life gives you lemons make lemonade! The professors that past MSPers are complaining about were only 2 although they did teach 1 class each semester. Other than them, I thought the professors were great and I learned alot.
The MCAT component that EZgoin described is pretty on target. It was not the best situation, but there were some IMS students who did a great job and went out of their way to help us if we needed it, now whether or not MSP students actually took them up on their offer is a different story. People who felt like the IMS students were horrible teachers had the option of getting a tutor, but since they are complaining, I'm assuming they didnt do that. You will be around your classmates so much, that many of them can/will be a resource as well. If I had an issue with orgo, I would find the person in my class who it was no problem for and I would help them if they were having issues in another subject, etc. Just like anything, you only get out of this program what you put into it. No one expect that they will automatically get an A in every class and a 30+ on the MCAT just because they paid thousands of dollars. That aint gonna cut it! The most helpful thing that you will get from this program, is how to do what you have to do, to get where you want to go. Bottom line. I hope this helps.
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hi
just in same boat as u. thinking about the caribbean school as well, but i strongly believe that the MSP program has to offer some kind of help to get into the U.S medicals school. Just coz only 70% of MSP students get into drexel, u should know dat drexel is not the only US medical school in the world. People might trash the MSP program all they want, at the end of the day, it is you who decides how well you will do and not the program.
I think the caribbean schools should be the last last last option. meaning if all else fails!
thanks
brownybebs
just in same boat as u. thinking about the caribbean school as well, but i strongly believe that the MSP program has to offer some kind of help to get into the U.S medicals school. Just coz only 70% of MSP students get into drexel, u should know dat drexel is not the only US medical school in the world. People might trash the MSP program all they want, at the end of the day, it is you who decides how well you will do and not the program.
I think the caribbean schools should be the last last last option. meaning if all else fails!
thanks
brownybebs
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EZgoin's post is the most accurate. Mine is just raging mad and it's not b/c the MSP program broke me (In fact, I received straight A's and my MCAT was a 32..but this is because I skipped classes and mcat prep here and there and did it myself) but because I hate the fact that this program sold us the promise of QUALITY mcat prep and advanced sciences courses. I feel that I would've been better off staying home, studying the mcat myself, and taking advanced courses in local colleges at cheap price compared to MSP. Also, you WILL get B.S reference letters from one of the science professors I trashed in my previous post, b/c he admitted to it in class using the word "B.S". Does that sound like a program that wants to help you? Also, you have to remember that the adminstrators of MSP are also running other programs such as IHS, DPMS, etc. (http://www.drexelmed.edu/PostBaccalaureatePremedPrograms/Programs/MSPProgram/tabid/669/Default.aspx)
Therefore, this program can't possibly satisfy you with all your specific needs. You'll have to keep tabs on them constantly and it becomes stressful later on.
I am trashing the program, b/c as you can see only 3 people have said anything about this program out of the possible 60. I just feel its necessary to speak for the MAJORITY of students who felt MSP wasn't giving them what they need. You may not like what I have to say b/c well.....we're all pre-meds and we are fighters and we want to do whatever its necessary to get into med school...atleast some of us are like that.
Please contact former students from MSP through facbook. There's a group for IMS 2008, which consists of this past year's students. Ask them your questions. Also, there's a hroup for the MSP 2007-2008 students who aren't going into IMS. Ask them your questions. This should be fair right?
I'm not typing all this b/c I have a personal vendetta against MSP. I just feel that they sell you the ideal program that any pre-med would want a bite off, but they fail to deliver in their promise. Sorry for being the atypical pre-med and trying to give you a fair warning.
Therefore, this program can't possibly satisfy you with all your specific needs. You'll have to keep tabs on them constantly and it becomes stressful later on.
I am trashing the program, b/c as you can see only 3 people have said anything about this program out of the possible 60. I just feel its necessary to speak for the MAJORITY of students who felt MSP wasn't giving them what they need. You may not like what I have to say b/c well.....we're all pre-meds and we are fighters and we want to do whatever its necessary to get into med school...atleast some of us are like that.
Please contact former students from MSP through facbook. There's a group for IMS 2008, which consists of this past year's students. Ask them your questions. Also, there's a hroup for the MSP 2007-2008 students who aren't going into IMS. Ask them your questions. This should be fair right?
I'm not typing all this b/c I have a personal vendetta against MSP. I just feel that they sell you the ideal program that any pre-med would want a bite off, but they fail to deliver in their promise. Sorry for being the atypical pre-med and trying to give you a fair warning.
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Is it better to live right in stiles with other msp students or can you find something cheaper right in center city....
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I was able to find reasonable housing nearby by using craigslist and walking around the area, calling landlords that had signs up - also you can try looking by Queen Lane campus if you don't mind a (free) bus commute, it may be cheaper over there. Or even University (Main) campus...
I don't know if it'll necessarily be cheaper outside Stiles - with all of my utilities included I definitely pay more than one would at Stiles. But I have more space than a normal studio and like being a bit removed from "campus".
But being in Stiles, you're really close to other people in your program and all of your utilities are ready-to-go. And you're really close to campus so can run back and forth between classes, study sessions, etc. It just depends on what you're comfortable with and can deal with for a whole year.
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I was able to find reasonable housing nearby by using craigslist and walking around the area, calling landlords that had signs up - also you can try looking by Queen Lane campus if you don't mind a (free) bus commute, it may be cheaper over there. Or even University (Main) campus...
I don't know if it'll necessarily be cheaper outside Stiles - with all of my utilities included I definitely pay more than one would at Stiles. But I have more space than a normal studio and like being a bit removed from "campus".
But being in Stiles, you're really close to other people in your program and all of your utilities are ready-to-go. And you're really close to campus so can run back and forth between classes, study sessions, etc. It just depends on what you're comfortable with and can deal with for a whole year.
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Thank You Triftnuh for clarifying things about the MSP program. Its good to know that the program actually helped someone.
Mr Goe18, thanks for coming back and letting us know that the program did not break you. coz for a minute , the way to trashed the program made it seem like it really hurt you.
congratulations on your A's and 32 MCats and sure some of us will like to have those scores someday too. So you strongly believe that the program did not help you at all get the 32 on MCATs? if so then i guess you didnt need it.
Well thank you all for the infos, i think i have decided that i need this program. so i'll be attending in august. Oh! one more question.
Do you have to send it the $500 deposit by the deadline? if you cant send it by the deadline those this mean you are actually removed from the class?
Coz im still trying to figure out how to get $500 to send it to them.
thanks
brownybebs
Mr Goe18, thanks for coming back and letting us know that the program did not break you. coz for a minute , the way to trashed the program made it seem like it really hurt you.
congratulations on your A's and 32 MCats and sure some of us will like to have those scores someday too. So you strongly believe that the program did not help you at all get the 32 on MCATs? if so then i guess you didnt need it.
Well thank you all for the infos, i think i have decided that i need this program. so i'll be attending in august. Oh! one more question.
Do you have to send it the $500 deposit by the deadline? if you cant send it by the deadline those this mean you are actually removed from the class?
Coz im still trying to figure out how to get $500 to send it to them.
thanks
brownybebs
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Those who got accepted in MSP
Have you sent in you $500 deposit yet?
thanks
brownybebs
Have you sent in you $500 deposit yet?
thanks
brownybebs
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Those who got accepted into MSP 2008-09. Have you sent in your $500 deposit. and if you send it in after the due date, are you automatically removed from the class?
thanks.
thanks.
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To the MSP graduate.
So how was your first year experience in the program? I know you mention doing a second year.
what can you say about the first year?
thanks
It will really help some of us who are contemplating attending but have no other option.
thanks once more
So how was your first year experience in the program? I know you mention doing a second year.
what can you say about the first year?
thanks
It will really help some of us who are contemplating attending but have no other option.
thanks once more
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Hey, I'm a former MSPer, and my friend, also a former MSPer is looking for someone to take over the lease on her apartment. Its an amazing FULLY furnished apartment, all you would need to do is bring yourself, your clothes, and (if you want) a roommate to split the rent($1309). Her lease goes until next February and at that point if you wanted to renew the lease you could do so. It is only a few blocks away from Drexel's New College Building (where all of the IMS, MSP, DPMS, and PMED classes are taken) and there is a free shuttle that goes from the apartment to the school every half hour, but it's close enough to walk if you would rather walk instead. A lot of people have been interested in her place, but she said she will give it to whoever passes the credit check and puts a deposit down first. If you are interested contact Katty, [email protected] for more details!
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Some of the old 1st year MSP students mentioned that there was old test materials being circulated. I was hoping that second years could help me out by providing me with these materials. It would be greatly appreciated. Please PM if you are able. Thanks
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I am looking into drexel's MSP program for autum of 09 and was wondering if someone could tell me what gre score i may need if my cum university gpa will be about 2.6?
im really worried...
i could make my biological sciences and upper level science class gpa above a 3.0 though. would that help me?
let me know any thoughts/opinions...thank u!
im really worried...
i could make my biological sciences and upper level science class gpa above a 3.0 though. would that help me?
let me know any thoughts/opinions...thank u!
