Official MCW Class of 2009 Thread

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Prader Willi is a rapper out of Kansas City, fo shizzle.
 
I forgot to mention this yesterday: During my "advisory session" with a doctor for our case presentations in CER, she rapped lyrics from Eminem's song 8 mile to me. Just thought I'd let everybody know so they can judge the coolness of their advisory session as compared to mine.
 
I forgot to mention this yesterday: During my "advisory session" with a doctor for our case presentations in CER, she rapped lyrics from Eminem's song 8 mile to me. Just thought I'd let everybody know so they can judge the coolness of their advisory session as compared to mine.

my advisor gave me money.
 
Coming soon to a VA near you: the Xandie and Andy show, premiering March 22, 6:30 am. Good times.
 
... so tell me about them.



There you go, Donald. Answer away.


OOOoooooo.....

OK. Expect a PM.

I'm on Urology. That's right, the stream team. The dick docs. The crank crew. The man-gina squad.
It's pretty good so far, and it seems like something I would enjoy. I'm having a pretty good time, and it's low stress (so far). Hours are a little long (12-14 hour days), but it's surgery. Still early though, ask me again in two weeks.
 
Coming soon to a VA near you: the Xandie and Andy show, premiering March 22, 6:30 am. Good times.

If you do a Urology consult between March 5 and 16, I'll probably be your guy. Won't be able to help you on the 22nd though.
 
OOOoooooo.....

OK. Expect a PM.

I'm on Urology. That's right, the stream team. The dick docs. The crank crew. The man-gina squad.
It's pretty good so far, and it seems like something I would enjoy. I'm having a pretty good time, and it's low stress (so far). Hours are a little long (12-14 hour days), but it's surgery. Still early though, ask me again in two weeks.
was this an elective? I took an online quiz from UVa, and they matched me with urology. Hmmmm. Plumbing.

My wife works with a urologist named Dr. Johnson.
 
was this an elective? I took an online quiz from UVa, and they matched me with urology. Hmmmm. Plumbing.

My wife works with a urologist named Dr. Johnson.

i got matched with urology on that stupid quiz too. must be an EM backup kind of thing.
 
I think I had Urology as my #1 too. Does UVA have an agenda?

Cardiology, a bunch of surgeries, and obstetrics... I guess it has to do with me preferring to see results immediately.
 
i got matched with urology on that stupid quiz too. must be an EM backup kind of thing.
I think it has to do with the reliable hours, shorter patient relationships, and really loving to get your hands dirty?

I dunno. But I do get all the ones with quick results. Family practice was the last one for me, I think.
 
was this an elective? I took an online quiz from UVa, and they matched me with urology. Hmmmm. Plumbing.

My wife works with a urologist named Dr. Johnson.

Dr. Johnson. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Yes it's an elective.

i got matched with urology on that stupid quiz too. must be an EM backup kind of thing.

I think I had Urology as my #1 too. Does UVA have an agenda?

Cardiology, a bunch of surgeries, and obstetrics... I guess it has to do with me preferring to see results immediately.

I think that UVa thing put urology first for me too, and at the time, I was all about EM (still on my list, btw). Hmmmm...
 
Terminology to learn for next year:

"Black Saturday": The Saturday that you're on call, which means you also have to round on Sunday morning, and since you didn't stay overnight (except on OB), you get to stay really late because you're "not tired".

"Golden Weekend": The weekend that you're post-call on Thursday and therefore get to "go home early" (like 2ish, if things are happy), and then aren't on call again until Monday, so you can do things like go out of town or stay up past 11pm for any reason other than finishing an H&P.

"Black cloud": People, usually JMSs, who make things really busy and end up with about eight hundred admits somewhere they don't cap, and you never catch up and you have to write notes until all hours of the afternoon.

"White cloud": Like above, but good, like me. We had two admits on my whole Saturday call. Interns/residents/seniors will LOVE you.

Don... let's make this a complete list. Think of any others I forgot?
 
What do medical students do on call?
 
demitri martin:

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What do medical students do on call?

Same thing we do during non-call days, get there in the morning, pre-round on patients, start/finish notes, round on patients, take care of any issues, finish notes. On call, you usually take admissions after about 3pm, depending on the service and hospital. For an admission, you're usually the first person in the room and you do a complete history and physical, and then present to the intern or the chief, again depending on your service. Then you make a plan, implement said plan, and hopefully get out of the hospital by 10pm if you're on a home call rotation. You come back the next day and do your daily stuff.

On OB, you visit patients, write progress notes every 2-4 hours, depending on the patient's labor status, attend any emergency surgeries, and deliver babies. Then you round in the morning and try and escape the hospital by about 9am.
 
I feel completely incapable of doing any of that stuff.

I should probably do that m2/m3 match up thingy. Just haven't really had time to look at my schedule. Too much to do right now.

I start w/ medicine in July. I wanted to start w/ that cuz I know I'll hate it. And my inpatient IM CER stuff is definitely reaffirming this.

I'm scared. :scared: Honestly, I'm just not familiar with the workings of a hospital.
 
I feel completely incapable of doing any of that stuff.

I'm scared. :scared: Honestly, I'm just not familiar with the workings of a hospital.

Everyone feels that way at the beginning, April. I still feel that way some days, and I'm almost done with third year. :scared:

Each month is new, because you're at a new hospital, new ward, with a new team. The team makes the month waaaay more than the hospital: my month at the VA is going to be significantly easier/better than my friend's month at St. Luke's, which defies conventional wisdom.

But in July, no one knows what's going on, so at least everyone is on even footing. You should definetely do the match-up... I think it'll be really useful for you guys to just see what exactly third year is like, what the expectations are, and what you need to do. I've got all sorts of scutwork planned for Andy though... (just kidding, of course. Most of the scutwork would take longer to explain how to do it than to just do it).
 
I'm scared. :scared: Honestly, I'm just not familiar with the workings of a hospital.

Do what I plan on doing: bust into each and every hospital each and every day like you're a gangsta pimp looking for his cut. Make it known from the very first moment that you are above all of this "medicine" crap and proceed to do whatever the hell you want, whenever the hell you want to do it. (And yes, Ashers, I realize this makes me sound like the perfect burgeoning surgeon.)

No, but seriously, I'm already perfecting my "I just don't give a crap about anything" attitude for next year. From the completely irrelevant objective grading that goes on to the entirely extraneous role the medical student plays in the whole process, I think it might just be the best defense mechanism.
 
now taking black cloud/white cloud predictions for the class of 2009.

my predictions (so far)

Black Clouds:
Marty (unless there's something he really wants to do/see, then the poor guy will end up a white cloud for those days)
Owen

White Clouds
Pratik
Myself (sadly)

Others? or perhaps disagreements? I can't get a feel on Funk or Ashers yet. But I have a feeling Ashers is going to be a black cloud on psych/neuro. poor girl.
 
now taking black cloud/white cloud predictions for the class of 2009.

my predictions (so far)

I'd love to get in on these predictions, but I'm still confused as to what a "black cloud" and "white cloud" student really is. Is it a matter of simple good/bad luck on the number of admits you get and the resultant backlog of work, or is it more contingent on how much time each student takes with the patient and how many medical conditions that are potentially unrelated to the chief complaint they dreg up and force the team to address?
 
I'd love to get in on these predictions, but I'm still confused as to what a "black cloud" and "white cloud" student really is. Is it a matter of simple good/bad luck on the number of admits you get and the resultant backlog of work, or is it more contingent on how much time each student takes with the patient and how many medical conditions that are potentially unrelated to the chief complaint they dreg up and force the team to address?

I was similarly confused...is the cloudiness a property of the student, or a property of the circumstances that happen to follow a student around?
 
I was similarly confused...is the cloudiness a property of the student, or a property of the circumstances that happen to follow a student around?

essentially what follows you around...you have no control over it.

in EMS it's the same basic thing...a black cloud is the guy that, when he's working a shift, ends up having to go to 3 car accidents, a shooting, 4 old ladies on the 5th floor or higher that can't walk, and two fire standbys all in the course of 16 hours.

a white cloud is the guy every lazy partner wants so you can all just sit around playing xbox.

it's all about luck.
 
essentially what follows you around...you have no control over it.

in EMS it's the same basic thing...a black cloud is the guy that, when he's working a shift, ends up having to go to 3 car accidents, a shooting, 4 old ladies on the 5th floor or higher that can't walk, and two fire standbys all in the course of 16 hours.

a white cloud is the guy every lazy partner wants so you can all just sit around playing xbox.

it's all about luck.

Okay, in that case I think (definitely hope) I'm going to be a white cloud. I always seem to draw the relatively easy patients at Saturday clinic, so that should be a good sign.
 
essentially what follows you around...you have no control over it.

in EMS it's the same basic thing...a black cloud is the guy that, when he's working a shift, ends up having to go to 3 car accidents, a shooting, 4 old ladies on the 5th floor or higher that can't walk, and two fire standbys all in the course of 16 hours.

a white cloud is the guy every lazy partner wants so you can all just sit around playing xbox.

it's all about luck.
and stating that you hope you don't have any <insert call type here> today is a guarantee for a 500 pound woman on the 5th floor with no elevators, MRSA, C. dif, and no clothing.
 
aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh neuro!
 
M2s took the test too? What is that about?
 
now taking black cloud/white cloud predictions for the class of 2009.

Others? or perhaps disagreements? I can't get a feel on Funk or Ashers yet. But I have a feeling Ashers is going to be a black cloud on psych/neuro. poor girl.

essentially what follows you around...you have no control over it.

in EMS it's the same basic thing...a black cloud is the guy that, when he's working a shift, ends up having to go to 3 car accidents, a shooting, 4 old ladies on the 5th floor or higher that can't walk, and two fire standbys all in the course of 16 hours.

a white cloud is the guy every lazy partner wants so you can all just sit around playing xbox.

it's all about luck.

I have no doubt that'll happen to me. That happened to me in the lab too. My last day of work was one of the busiest ever. Generally Thursdays weren't busy, but I almost wasn't able to go to my goodbye party. I was assigned to the busiest floors with the hardest draws. They couldn't even let me draw in the ER/process specimens which was the most fun, on my last day. 😡
 
I have a CER session tonight. Wish me luck.

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I have a CER session tonight. Wish me luck.

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as long as you don't come back like this...

http://www.khaaan.com/


A couple Star Trek II quotes that are also quite fitting: (with a little imagination required for some...most)

"There she is!!!! There she is!!!"


"I shall leave you as you left me...marooned for all eternity....buried alive......buried aliiiiiiiive."


"There's a man out there I haven't seen in 15 years who's trying to kill me. You show me a son that'd be happy to help. My son. My life that could have been... and wasn't. How do I feel? Old. Worn out."


"Full power!! DAMN YOU!"


Joachim: Our shields are lowering.
Khan: Raise them.
Joachim: I can't!
Khan: The override. Where's the override?!!


"Scotty, I need warp speed in three minutes or we're all dead."


Spock: As I recall you took the test three times yourself. Your final solution was, shall we say, unique?
Kirk: It had the virtue of never having been tried.


Saavik: Approaching neutral zone, all systems normal and functioning.
Sulu: Leaving section 14 for section 15
Saavik: Standby. Project parabolic course to avoid entering neutral zone.
Sulu: Aye captain


Saavik: Humor. It is a difficult concept. It is not logical.
Kirk: We learn by doing


Sulu: So much for a little training cruise.


Dr. McCoy: Did she change her hairstyle?
Kirk: I hadn't noticed.


Scotty: The energizer's bypassed like a Christmas tree, so don't give me too many bumps.


Spock: We are now in violation of treaty, Captain.



Commander Nyota Uhura: Sir, we won't leave you behind!
Kirk: Uhura, if you don't hear from us, there won't be anybody behind. Kirk out.



"He put... creatures... in our bodies... to control our minds. He made us... say lies... do things. He thought he controlled us, but he did not. The Captain was strong!!!"


Dr. McCoy: Jim... you'd better get down here! Better... hurry. (LOLZZZ!)


Kirk: Every young man's fantasy. Seem to remember it myself.



Captain Clark Terrell: Maybe it's something we can transplant, uhm?



Khan: To the last, I will grapple with thee. From hell's heart, I stab at thee. For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee.


Dr. McCoy: You're NOT going in there!


Dr. McCoy: You'll flood the whole compartment!!!!


Kirk: It's a far, far better thing I do than I have ever done before. A far better resting place that I go to than I have ever known.
 
One of the few things I know about Star Trek is that William Shatner was in that. I learned that thanks to MST3K... OK, let's see. Shatner, Shatner, nope! No doesn't loook like he's in this one. !e're safe!

I believe I had to look up "Shatner" to find out who he was after I saw MST3K.
 
One of the few things I know about Star Trek is that William Shatner was in that. I learned that thanks to MST3K... OK, let's see. Shatner, Shatner, nope! No doesn't loook like he's in this one. !e're safe!

I believe I had to look up "Shatner" to find out who he was after I saw MST3K.

you've led a sad, sad, sheltered life 🙁
 
essentially what follows you around...you have no control over it.

in EMS it's the same basic thing...a black cloud is the guy that, when he's working a shift, ends up having to go to 3 car accidents, a shooting, 4 old ladies on the 5th floor or higher that can't walk, and two fire standbys all in the course of 16 hours.

a white cloud is the guy every lazy partner wants so you can all just sit around playing xbox.

it's all about luck.

The thing is, I always wanted to be/work with the black cloud (except for the old ladies). That way, you're guaranteed a good time. My favorite days were when we were busy, like the time during a severe T-storm when we were something like 60 calls behind (no joke).
 
One of the few things I know about Star Trek is that William Shatner was in that. I learned that thanks to MST3K... OK, let's see. Shatner, Shatner, nope! No doesn't loook like he's in this one. !e're safe!

I believe I had to look up "Shatner" to find out who he was after I saw MST3K.

I remember him when his hair was real.
 
Do any of you watch Boston Legal?
 
I feel completely incapable of doing any of that stuff.

I'm scared. :scared: Honestly, I'm just not familiar with the workings of a hospital.

Everyone feels that way at the beginning. Don't worry about it. I didn't really know how to write a SOAP note until the M4 on my service showed me. Soon, you crank them out like nothing. But in time, it gets pretty easy, and it's nothing. Don't worry about it.
 
is anybody else keeping a highly insightful, but extremely brief daily journal on your computer using your daily experiences in both life and medicine? most of my entries are only 3 or so sentences long but always include important life lessons. then my dad usually comes in and pats me on the head and says goodnight.
 
is anybody else keeping a highly insightful, but extremely brief daily journal on your computer using your daily experiences in both life and medicine? most of my entries are only 3 or so sentences long but always include important life lessons. then my dad usually comes in and pats me on the head and says goodnight.
so how exactly did you find the green books? the advertisements are just a bit lurid.
 
so how exactly did you find the green books? the advertisements are just a bit lurid.

more importantly, how did YOU find them, and why were you looking in them? you sick freak.

fyi, mouthing words at me comes dangerously closer than either of us has come before. you better watch it.
 
I feel completely incapable of doing any of that stuff.

Again, I didn't either, but some helpful M4's gave me pointers. Don't worry about this stuff until sometime in late June, but while I'm thinking of it I'll start passing them along...

Things I wish I'd known in July of my M3 year (with special thanks to Heather K, MCW class of 2007):

How to write a daily progress note:

S: Begin with a one-liner about your patient, and how things were overnight. (Pt. Smith is a 45 yo male admitted for acute exacerbation of COPD, no acute issues overnight). Some services may omit the patient info, and just focus on how things were overnight. Especially if the patient is well known to the service. Also include hospital day or post-op day if pertinent. The best source for how things went overnight is to ask the nurses directly. Be nice to nurses, and your life will be easier, you can also read the nursing notes.

O: (vitals, physical, and labs)
VS: Current Temp (Tc), maximum temp (Tmax). Ranges of vitals: BP, HR, RR for past 24 hours.
Ins/Outs: Include totals for past 24 hours, and divide Ins into PO, IV fluids, Blood, etc. Outs will include urine, poop, and drains (surgical drains, chest tubes, etc).
Gen: A brief note on how the patient looks when you walk into the room (resting comfortably, in respiratory distress, etc)
HEENT: Assess what is important. Check mucous membranes for moisture if the patient is dehydrated, or neck for rigidity or whatever is pertinent.
CV: Common abbreviations: RRR (regular rate and rhythm), no m/r/g (no murmurs, rubs, or gallops). Document pulses and capillary refill. Assess PMI and JVP if needed.
Resp: Common abbreviations: CTAB (clear to auscultation bilaterally). If you hear something, document it. Include if inspiratory, expiratory, or both.
Abdomen: Common abbreviations: soft/NT/ND (soft, non-tender, non-distended). Assess organomegaly, hernias, etc.
Extremities: You don't need to do a full exam every day, but if something changes, note it. Common abbreviations: MAES (moves all extremities spontaneously [infants and kids]) Include gait here if it's pertinent.
Skin: Note rashes, moles, lumps, bumps, incisions (c/d/i = clean, dry intact). Comment on turgor is pertinent.
Neuro: A&O x 3, EOMI, CN II-XII intact, ect.
Labs: Always last CBC, Basic chem, whatever is new that morning. If things are out of whack, make note of the previous day or two so you can comment on trends. i.e. elevated white count, falling hematocrit, etc.

A: Again, a one-liner about your patient, their problem, and how they are doing. I.e. Pt. Smith is a 45 yo male patient with a PMH of COPD, admitted for acute exacerbation of COPD, currently improved/stable/etc.

P: Address issues identified in the assessment. A good way to do this is by system. You can also do it by individual issue.
CV: no issues, or angina, or CHF, or asthma. Identify problem, and plan your treatment.
Resp: Exacerbation of COPD, continue combivent neb treatments q4h, etc, etc.
FEN/GI: (fluids, electrolytes, nutrition/GI): advance diet, supplement Mg, K or whatever.
ID: Afebrile vs. patient on day 3/7 of ciprofloxacin vs. no issues, or whatever. Also a good place to comment on the white count, left shift, etc...
Heme: Any H/H issues, does the patient need blood, platelets?
Neuro: Good place for pain management issues.
Disposition: Comment on the patient's continued need for hospitalization, or if they can go to the floor from the ICU, or home.

Eventually, you'll be able to omit a good portion of that stuff for your day to day patients, and by no means do you need to do it like that every time. If you can write a good thorough note (medicine service, often multiple pages long), you'll eventually be able to omit the fluff and focus on the important stuff (surgery service, 1/2 page max).
 
is anybody else keeping a highly insightful, but extremely brief daily journal on your computer using your daily experiences in both life and medicine? most of my entries are only 3 or so sentences long but always include important life lessons. then my dad usually comes in and pats me on the head and says goodnight.

If you get to sleep with Winnie I'm going to be jealous.



Was is winnie or wanda?
 
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