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Count me in.. see you guys in the fallmicrobe hunter said:
mblum151 said:I'm 90% sure I'll be going to NYCOM this August. Does anyone know how far it is from Manhattan?
Biodork111 said:I have been looking into places in Queens with a friend of mine starting a job downtown (financial center). The more the merrier...if anyone needs some housing let me know.
Biodork111 said:I found a few relatively affordable places in the Bayside/Douglaston area. I'm originally from College Point, so yes I know these are the more pricey areas of Queens...but so far what I've found isn't awful...just more than where I live now.
mblum151 said:Does anyone have access to the message board? Isn't that the place where there are housing options? Any info would be great...Thanks.
djquick83 said:I got mine yesterday too. I have no idea which lender to choose. There are so many ways u can be screwed later on in life if we decide to go with one over the other. Im gonna try and contact the financial aid office at NYCOM and see what they have to say.
DrMedic said:I just received my acceptance letter yesterday... can't wait until August
medstudent3563 said:You won't be as excited and motivated a year from now. Be prepared to waste 100-120 hours of your life studying Dr Stepp's physiology packets which won't help you during your 2nd year (which is all systems pathophysiology) or during the boards. See the following threads:
Dr Stepp, NYCOM's Crappy Physiology Professor Extraordinaire
NYCOM- the school with ONLY an 80% 1st-time board pass rate
I know step 1 of the boards seems a long ways away (and it is for you guys) but this time next year it will definately be on your mind and you will hate NYCOM for wasting your time on such low-yield Physiology.
Oh BTW, this Dr Stepp I talk about, he has a PhD in BIOCHEMISTRY yet teaches PHYSIOLOGY .
My advice to people who got accepted into NYCOM? If you were accepted into CCOM, PCOM, NOVA, UMDNJ-COM or to any US allopathic school, go there. They beat NYCOM.
But if NYCOM is the best you can do then prepare to waste 100+ hours of your life on 'Physiology' you probably won't even use (even for the boards).
Cowboy DO said:Dont listen to this looser. Im not sure what his problem is, anyone has questions about nycom feel free to pm me. It's a great school.
medstudent3563 said:This guy has rose-colored glasses on. You guys want to know why he doesn't think there's anything wrong with NYCOM's Physiology course? Because he majored in Physiology....he already knows it.
It doesn't bother him that Dr Stepp teaches a weird Biochemistry-Physiology hybrid with waaaaaaaay too much biochemistry in it (there's definately some overlap between the two subjects, but Dr Stepp's version is of 'physiology' is just ridiculous; instead of calling the course 'Medical Physiology' they should call it Physio-Biochemistry or something. And there's a reason why NYCOM has a seperate Biochemistry course and a seperate Physiology course).
But if you've never taken Physiology before (like I and many other first-years have) and are relying on NYCOM to teach you medical Physiology then buddy, you are screwed! And prepare to teach yourself all the Physiology NYCOM failed to present you during the summer because all 2nd year is pathophysiology.
And if a student doesn't know standard medical Physiology (not Dr Stepp's weird biochemistry-heavy hybrid) then there's no way in hell they are going to do well in Pathophysiology. You need to know the 'normal' (learned in Physiology) before you can learn the 'abnormal' (Pathophysiology).
And the administration wonders why so many 2nd years struggle at NYCOM and so many NYCOMer's fail the boards their 1st time around. Being mistaught Physiology has A LOT to do with it.
Don't get me wrong, medical school is hard work. But I think the job of a medical school is to guide students, telling them what they need to know to become good doctors. Students are supposed to provide the hard work. But as far as Physiology goes at NYCOM, students are misled.
And that's made more unfortunate considering how incredibly important Physiology is in doing well in medicine (I really can't stress that enough).
So if you want to be mistaught Physiology by a Biochemistry PhD then attend NYCOM. But my advice is if you were accepted into CCOM, PCOM, NOVA, UMDNJ-COM or any US allopathic school, go there. I think those schools are better than NYCOM.
NYCOM's a middling DO school (good 3rd and 4th year clinicals save it from being bottom of the barrel).
Don't say I didn't warn you.
ps- don't PM this clown if you have questions about NYCOM. Post them on this webboard so you can can both sides of the story. The rose-colored glasses version and the real version.
Dreamer said:Listen, medstudent, don't you have anything better to do than bitch here? The fact of a matter is that Physiology and Biochem are closely related, whether you like it or not. Dr. Stepp might be boring to listen to BUT he teaches, I can vouch for that and I did not take Physio since 1989.
What I do not understand is why don't you spend your energy on learning rather than complaining.
medstudent3563 said:This guy has rose-colored glasses on. You guys want to know why he doesn't think there's anything wrong with NYCOM's Physiology course? Because he has an undergraduate degree in Physiology....he already knows it.
It doesn't bother him that Dr Stepp teaches a weird Biochemistry-Physiology hybrid with waaaaaaaay too much biochemistry in it (there's definately some overlap between the two subjects, but Dr Stepp's version is of 'physiology' is just ridiculous; instead of calling the course 'Medical Physiology' they should call it Physio-Biochemistry or something. And there's a reason why NYCOM has a seperate Biochemistry course and a seperate Physiology course).
But if you've never taken Physiology before (like I and many other first-years have) and are relying on NYCOM to teach you medical Physiology then buddy, you are screwed! And prepare to teach yourself all the Physiology NYCOM failed to present you during the summer because all 2nd year is pathophysiology.
And if a student doesn't know standard medical Physiology (not Dr Stepp's weird biochemistry-heavy hybrid) then there's no way in hell they are going to do well in Pathophysiology. You need to know the 'normal' (learned in Physiology) before you can learn the 'abnormal' (Pathophysiology).
And the administration wonders why so many 2nd years struggle at NYCOM and so many NYCOMer's fail the boards their 1st time around. Being mistaught Physiology has A LOT to do with it.
Don't get me wrong, medical school is hard work. But I think the job of a medical school is to guide students, telling them what they need to know to become good doctors. Students are supposed to provide the hard work. But as far as Physiology goes at NYCOM, students are misled.
And that's made more unfortunate considering how incredibly important Physiology is in doing well in medicine (I really can't stress that enough).
So if you want to be mistaught Physiology by a Biochemistry PhD (Dr Stepp) then attend NYCOM. But my advice is if you were accepted into CCOM, PCOM, NOVA, UMDNJ-COM or any US allopathic school, go there. I think those schools are better than NYCOM.
NYCOM's a middling DO school (good 3rd and 4th year clinicals save it from being bottom of the barrel).
Don't say I didn't warn you.
ps- don't PM this clown if you have questions about NYCOM. Post them on this webboard so you can can both sides of the story. The rose-colored glasses version and the real version.
Cowboy DO said:I think its best if everyone ignores this guy, hes obviously trolling. Thanks for ruining a perfectly benign class of 2009 thread.
If anyone is perturbed by this and wants to talk PM me. You know your going to get his opinion wether you ask for it or not but Im not responding to it anymore, theres no point.
medstudent3563 said:when you know the ugly facts....the scores of 2nd years struggling, a large percentage of people failing the boards on their 1st attempt. I don't need to tell you, you know the ugly facts.
J1515 said:It's real easy to blame the professors, eh? Perhaps they should start being more selective with who they admit and start looking for students who don't need to be spoonfed and won't whine and complain about everything. Just a thought.
medstudent3563 said:Spoonfed? I don't need to be spoonfed. Notice I haven't criticized Dr Youmans or Dr Yu (the other NYCOM physiology professors) because they actually want you to learn real medical physiology. At least with their material, a student can pick up a good physiology textbook or BRS to help understand the material. In lectures, Dr Yu and Dr Youmans are boring as hell but they want you to learn concepts in medical physiology. And if Im not mistaken, Dr Yu and Dr Youmans actually have PhDs in Physiology. Hey, what a concept! Your professor actually having a degree in the subject hes teaching.
But that BIOCHEMISTRY PhD, Dr Stepp, is a totally different ballgame. Its not about concepts, its about memorizing his hybrid Biochemistry-Physiology handouts verbatim. And believe it or not, with Dr Stepp's material, consulting a physiology textbook is to your detriment because its all about his crappy handouts. We're not learning the medical Physiology we need (for 2nd year and the boards) with Dr Stepp.
Unfortunately Dr Stepp teaches the bulk (60-70%) of the 7-month long physiology course at NYCOM.
Dreamer said:I think something has to be clarified. Last semester, before the syallabus was amended, I printed it out. The old one containes the information about the faculty that the new one does not. I have the old one in front of me and I quote: Larry Stepp "received doctoral degree in physiology with minor in microbiology from Vanderbilt University." Dr. Youmans on the other hand received his "doctoral degree in medical biphysics with a moinor from Indiana University" You are right about Dr. Yu.
Also, BRS is not a study book, it is REVIEW book. So, after we cleared the facts about the faculty, something that took three threads, two of which were closed due to medstudent abusive language, I think it is time to apologize for polluting the thread of Class of 2009, for current stident rants should not scare incoming class or diminish their desire to study medicine. Granted, NYCOM has its issues, some of them are significant, but show me the school that does not.
Dreamer said:I think something has to be clarified. Last semester, before the syallabus was amended, I printed it out. The old one containes the information about the faculty that the new one does not. I have the old one in front of me and I quote: Larry Stepp "received doctoral degree in physiology with minor in microbiology from Vanderbilt University." Dr. Youmans on the other hand received his "doctoral degree in medical biphysics with a moinor from Indiana University" You are right about Dr. Yu.
Also, BRS is not a study book, it is REVIEW book. So, after we cleared the facts about the faculty, something that took three threads, two of which were closed due to medstudent abusive language, I think it is time to apologize for polluting the thread of Class of 2009, for current stident rants should not scare incoming class or diminish their desire to study medicine. Granted, NYCOM has its issues, some of them are significant, but show me the school that does not.
medstudent3563 said:Better yet, if the pdf is unavailable and since you have this old syllabus, please just scan these ONE or TWO pages of the old syllabus for me and email me the jpeg(s)? I need to see this with my very own eyes. I'm a bit skeptical of your claims.
I dug up my copy of the old syllabus and class catalog and found no reference to credentials stating one way or the other. Sorry if this will be an inconvenience to you but I really need to see this for myself. Thanks.
medstudent3563 said:And believe it or not, with Dr Stepp's material, consulting a physiology textbook is to your detriment because its all about his crappy handouts.
J1515 said:It's all in the handouts? You basically know exactly what you're going to be tested on rather than reading chapters and chapters of textbooks and hoping you studied and recall the right thing? That's called being spoonfed. So you spend 24/7 memorizing useless facts you'll never have to use as a doctor...welcome to medical school. It seems like with NYCOM's class being twice as large as the avg class size there are also twice as many whiners on this board.