Official REAL MCAT Verbal length! And sept 2 test feedback

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Firstly I will say...REAL MCAT is SHORTER (no this isn't a typo) than the practice. No I didn't feel it was shorter...I counted the words of the passages and they are 50-100 words shorter than the AAMC practice exams. However he real exam is broken into more paragraphs giving the illusion it is longer. Everyone who wrote the exam with me said it was longer BUT I counter the damn words so that's solid proof right there...no feelings involved.

As for the september 2nd MCAT

PS: easily, couldn't be easier
VR: same difficulty as AAMC practice, maybe a bit more tricky AnD SHORTER!
BS: easy, couldn't be easier
WS: one was EASY, the other...FML

Overall test difficulty: easy but I don't feel curve will be harsh as the questions were tricker than normal...I expect the same curve for a hard test.
 
You actually had enough time to count the number of words in each passage? Those are some mad skills.
 
I have never heard anyone who said PS AND BS were easy, couldn't be easier. Mad props. You must be a genius.
 
I haven't posted any BS in the 44 previous posts I have made. You can look through all my posts for any BS

Going into the MCAT I knew what to expect. The reason being that I've spoken to AAMC people. And frankly they believe in keeping their test fair to everyone meaning that those who use prep materials like EK, TPR and BR will do the same as those using normal school textbooks. The AAMC know what they are doing, they've read the prep material that we've read and they alsO know what EK and TPR tell us are high yield. For example EK and TPR say hormones were high yield and the nervous system stuff too. I can tell you if you didn't study half of the important stuff in those books you can get a 15...the low yield stuff were high yield on the real deal, and I knew it was coming.

Same thing with verbal being all about the main idea, I posted earlier about verbal being all about the question stems and also how I felt the AAMC were making it seems longer by adding paragraphs...again that was proved today.

In PS AAMC 3 ironically had the most similar content(not difficulty but content) to the REAL deal...I laughed so hard at one of the passages that showed up as it was identical to one of AAMC 3's passages. So yeah AAMC 3 was most representative not AAMC 11 as most people think lol.

I expected the exam to be the opposite of what is common believed by people...and that's what it was, atleast for today so I knew what was coming.
 
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I apologize for my statement. I took the test and agree about the length and content. I just found it hard to believe you can give the mcat full effort and still word count. If you really can then you are a beast and I wish I had your VR skills.

Cheers
 
You actually had enough time to count the number of words in each passage? Those are some mad skills.

At first I thought yeah right...SURE.....

I haven't posted any BS in the 44 previous posts I have made. You can look through all my posts for any BS

Going into the MCAT I knew what to expect. The reason being that I've spoken to AAMC people. And frankly they believe in keeping their test fair to everyone meaning that those who use prep materials like EK, TPR and BR will do the same as those usin normal school textbooks. The AAMC know what they are doing, they've read the prep material that we've read and they alsO know what EK and TPR tell us are high yield. For example EK and TPR say hormones were high yield and the nervous system stuff too. I can tell you if you didn't study half of the important stuff in those books you can get a 15...the low yield stuff were high yield on the real deal, and I knew it was coming.

Same thing with verbal being all about the main idea, I posted earlier about verbal being all about the question stems and also how I felt the AAMC were making it seems longer by adding paragraphs...again that was proved today.

In PS AAMC 3 ironically had the most similar content(not difficult but content) to the REAL deal...I laughed so hard at one of the passages that showed up as it was identical to one of AAMC 3's passages. So yeah AAMC 3 was most representative not AAMC 11 as most people think lol.

I expected the exam to be the opposite of what is common believed by people...and that's what it was, atleast for today so I knew what was coming.

Then I thought man this kid is crazy.....maybe he did actually count all the words.

BTW the bolded made me laugh. Please tell me you studied specifically for the MCAT using textbooks.
 
ThirdEye I'm not offended. Skepticism is a practice that must be used rigorously on the internet as there is more rubbish than truth on the web.

To be honest, I was impressed with the AAMC and believe that they are fair. AAMC 3 is the only exam that's free for all to take and I can say the content on it was closest to today's MCAT. It shows that just because someone doesn't have the luxury of splurging or AAMC 4-11 doesn't mean they are at a disadvantage. And just because someone can't afford fancy prep books doesn't mean they are at a disadvantage.

I can boldly claim that using high school and first year textbooks will leave you better prepared for the MCAT than TPR, TBR or EK. Most of the experiments that are in bio for example baffle people as they don't expect it...read a first year bio book and you'll find those experiments and random stuff that baffles people fully explained.

When I spoke to the AAMC official, he said he wasn't worried about people who use prep books and companies being at an advantage, with good reason I might add.

I think the most shocking aspect of the MCAT is how fair it is regardless of what you use to study lol. I applaud the AAMC.
 
The TPR, TBR, EK books are meant to a review of the material you learned in your classes. IMHO reading through your textbooks would be a ridiculous waste of time considering the amount of extra information in them. :shrug: I guess to each their own. If it worked for you then great. (BTW all my MCAT books together cost about 20% of all my pre-req coursebooks combined.)

Also I looked back at AAMC 3 and think that it was probably the least representative of my MCAT today but eh.
 
Huh, did you not see that physics passage on the test today that look just like that AAMC 3 passage with the SAME diagram and the SAME terminology along with questions based around the SAME concepts?
Oh and didn't you notice the OTHER physics passage with the SAME diagrams and SAME concepts being tested as in the OTHER AAMC 3 passage.

Go back to your AAMC exam. Look at those 2 passages. Think of the test today (hmm maybe you had a different time). Be amazed at how they didn't change the diagrams or concepts. Perhaps I realized the similarity because I reviewed AAMC 3 as a confidence booster right befor the exam lol.

When you see the same two diagrams and concepts you saw 15 hours before your text on your test, you remember lol.

If I'm revealing too much, mods please edit. I believe I'm staying within the guidelines providing in the AAMC essentials...read them twice. We are allow to state similarities between other practice tests right?
 
i've been saying this for a while but now im convinced that this guy is an mcat writer or insider or something.

it sounds like u got a 45. please tell us how u had time to count each passage
 
Oh okay then definitely a different time. People who wrote it at my time know what's up...unless I actually re-wrote AAMC 3 at the test center...come to think of it....nope not really.
 
i've been saying this for a while but now im convinced that this guy is an mcat writer or insider or something.

it sounds like u got a 45. please tell us how u had time to count each passage

ok. what are you gonna try to get out of him, a confession? i'm pretty sure he signed a non-disclosure agreement.

seriously though, why is it hard not to believe what he says. i bet someone who got 4.0 in all prereqs in 2 years could pull off a 30+ score by studying in less than a month or two. of course AAMC is gonna monitor what TPR puts in their review books. and of course its gonna be a game of cat and mouse. the test will change, and so will the prep companies.
 
i've been saying this for a while but now im convinced that this guy is an mcat writer or insider or something.

it sounds like u got a 45. please tell us how u had time to count each passage


Again, I am not an MCAT writer, that's absurd. I could virtually be writing my own exam, that would be awesome but highly improbable.

As for counting. 6 minutes per passage, 7 passages, 42 minutes test time...18 minutes left, spend 2-3minutes in each passage to count words?

As for getting a 45, that usually happens to people who spend say two years studying, writing the real deal once, tutoring the mcat for another year and then rewriting again for that 45T...or people who probably should pursue a hobby in collecting nobel prizes.

I am not an individual who would commend bestowing that much effort on an exam which only a 34 can grant one access to any med school of their choice.
 
ok. what are you gonna try to get out of him, a confession? i'm pretty sure he signed a non-disclosure agreement.

seriously though, why is it hard not to believe what he says. i bet someone who got 4.0 in all prereqs in 2 years could pull off a 30+ score by studying in less than a month or two. of course AAMC is gonna monitor what TPR puts in their review books. and of course its gonna be a game of cat and mouse. the test will change, and so will the prep companies.

"logic, tis' beautiful to behold" never mind that those books like EK were made in 2007. A bit dated by my standards.
 
To be honest, I was impressed with the AAMC and believe that they are fair. AAMC 3 is the only exam that's free for all to take and I can say the content on it was closest to today's MCAT. It shows that just because someone doesn't have the luxury of splurging or AAMC 4-11 doesn't mean they are at a disadvantage. And just because someone can't afford fancy prep books doesn't mean they are at a disadvantage.


For this test, sure. I was blessed to have also taken the 7/6 afternoon MCAT though. That test was nowhere near fair.
 
50 to 100 words shorter???? Have you took the 8 am or 2 PM exam? If you took the 8 am exam like I did, I'm pretty sure you won't find it shorter but you will actually find it longer. Especially the third passage in my test had like 8-9 paragraphs and not small paragraphs..just average. It was so freaking long and everyone said it.
 
The AAMC know what they are doing, they've read the prep material that we've read and they alsO know what EK and TPR tell us are high yield. For example EK and TPR say hormones were high yield and the nervous system stuff too. I can tell you if you didn't study half of the important stuff in those books you can get a 15...the low yield stuff were high yield on the real deal, and I knew it was coming.

I think this whole "high-yield" "low-yield" stuff is nonsense. The AAMC publishes a list of all the topics they may test on the MCAT and the test-prep books try to review all these topics. If you are well-versed with everything the AAMC says they are going to test, you will not have problems with content.

So yeah AAMC 3 was most representative not AAMC 11 as most people think lol... I expected the exam to be the opposite of what is common believed by people...and that's what it was, atleast for today so I knew what was coming.

It's most probably a one-off thing.
 
The prep books base their high yield stuff on what is in the practice AAMCs. That is why when you do the practice AAMC exams, you feel like your book are worth it...you get to the real exam and get slapped across the face.
 
I can kind of see where this guy is coming from... I'm in an SMP right now doing the basic science medical school classes and after 1 month, all the things on the Bio sections of my MCAT become easy and straightforward. I think it's a good idea to study using prep books, but a better idea to supplement by assessing actual clinical and laboratory application of the concepts. It also sounds like you got lucky though...
 
50 to 100 words shorter???? Have you took the 8 am or 2 PM exam? If you took the 8 am exam like I did, I'm pretty sure you won't find it shorter but you will actually find it longer. Especially the third passage in my test had like 8-9 paragraphs and not small paragraphs..just average. It was so freaking long and everyone said it.

lol I remember ur thread from 2 weeks ago =P
 
I can kind of see where this guy is coming from... I'm in an SMP right now doing the basic science medical school classes and after 1 month, all the things on the Bio sections of my MCAT become easy and straightforward. I think it's a good idea to study using prep books, but a better idea to supplement by assessing actual clinical and laboratory application of the concepts. It also sounds like you got lucky though...

Every time I see your avatar, I think of LIMITLESS. For some reason, I felt smarter after that movie.

Anyways... I agree with you... Currently, I am about to start my 2nd year of a master's program (I won't say what field on here but it's lab-related). Because I was forced to read at least 2-3 published articles from a scientific journal every quarter the past year, I felt like any experiment/hypothesis-related passage felt very do-able. Also, my undergrad research in virology really helped too when it came to doing practice/real MCAT bio passages.
 
My test was on 9/1 and I disagree the actual VR is shorter, let alone 100 words shorter. If anything, it's at least as long as the regular AAMCs available on the web. In some ways it seemed longer but it appears this may have been to the slightly increased font size on the actual test, but I'm not sure. Overall, the verbal is at least as long as expected but may be slightly longer. If the latter, then the reason I finished with a few minutes to spare was because the passages were slightly easier to read compared to some of the AAMCs. For example, I skimmed a friend's copy of the verbal passages on AAMC 9, and they were more convoluted than what I say on the real deal.

Although I didn't find the sciences too hard, they were harder than AAMC 3 in that overall they required a bit more thought. The BS on my test was slightly harder than AAMC 11 although I didn't find it too bad. BS is my strength.

Finally, it's a waste of time reviewing from textbooks. I found it more helpful to review a concise review book and refer to the web or textbooks for material that wasn't properly covered.
 
I love when a thread gets this passionate. While I question tendiw's tact proclaiming the ease of an exam before getting his score, he has opened a great can of worms and presented some good points that hopefully aren't lost in the rhetoric.

I'll take the OP's comments more seriously in 30 days. I rarely see people who know their score and the relative difficulty of their exam and the corresponding curve walking out.

The only point I definitely want to make is hopefully an obvious one. You are making a blanket conclusion about what is true on all MCATs based on one sitting (out of 26 in a year).

Going into the MCAT I knew what to expect. The reason being that I've spoken to AAMC people. And frankly they believe in keeping their test fair to everyone meaning that those who use prep materials like EK, TPR and BR will do the same as those using normal school textbooks. The AAMC know what they are doing, they've read the prep material that we've read and they alsO know what EK and TPR tell us are high yield. For example EK and TPR say hormones were high yield and the nervous system stuff too. I can tell you if you didn't study half of the important stuff in those books you can get a 15...the low yield stuff were high yield on the real deal, and I knew it was coming.

The people at AAMC do an amazing job with this test. Think about it for a second: they have to generate about 25 unique exams per year that have been assembled, editted, analyzed, tweaked, and honed in. They do more in a given year than all of the test prep companies combined. I have no doubt that the people at AAMC look at all of the review materials on the market. If a company is arrogant enough to proclaim insights and wisdom about an exam they could'nt have seen every version of, then it would make sense that AAMC would want to prove them wrong if they found out about their proclamation. This is assuming that they spend the energy to prove them wrong. But the reality is that AAMC's one and only job is to produce a fair exam that tests a wide array of material that requires far more questions than an MCAT has to cover in its entirety. They assemble a collection of tests that are fundamentally sound and are based on a list of topics they release to all interested parties.

As for a textbook being as good as a review book, let me ask you one simple question. "Does the AAMC Guideline to the MCAT look like a textbook or a review book?" It's like saying all you need to do well in a college course is the textbook and that old exams, review sessions, and TA notes don't do much. All of it combines to get you ready. The same is true for the MCAT. I personally believe the people who see the most improvement are the ones who thoroughly work through passages and analyze their answers for speed and accuracy. The most important part of review materials are the answer explanations, and given that some prep materials are designed to teach test skills in those explanations, they'll beat textbooks in that aspect.

Same thing with verbal being all about the main idea, I posted earlier about verbal being all about the question stems and also how I felt the AAMC were making it seems longer by adding paragraphs...again that was proved today.

Don't you think if there was a simple formula like you're saying that everyone would be giving just that? Again, you are coming to a universal truth and giving us a high yeild insight based on just one exam. The truth is that the VR section is a moving target from test to test and you need to have a large array of testing tools, which does include using the roots of questions as well as using the main idea. How much each tool helps will vary with each exam.

In PS AAMC 3 ironically had the most similar content(not difficulty but content) to the REAL deal...I laughed so hard at one of the passages that showed up as it was identical to one of AAMC 3's passages. So yeah AAMC 3 was most representative not AAMC 11 as most people think lol.

Laughing and counting "and corn balling. Sure, everybody's having a great time but what about Buster?" I apologize for my Arrested Development reference, but your post was reminiscent of a recurring scene in that show. I think you know my point here. You took one exam that reminded you of AAMC 3. I'm sure there are exams each year that are similar to each and every AAMC exam, given that it's their reference. All of the AAMC exams are useful, and which one a test taker finds most useful won't be known until they sit for their MCAT.

I expected the exam to be the opposite of what is common believed by people...and that's what it was, atleast for today so I knew what was coming.

I appreciate that you acknowledge with an "atleast for today" comment. I'm not sure what is common believed by people, because threads around here have so many different messages about what to expect on the exam. Only a few things are true exam to exam, and those are listed in the AAMC Guide.

To be honest, I was impressed with the AAMC and believe that they are fair.

When I spoke to the AAMC official, he said he wasn't worried about people who use prep books and companies being at an advantage, with good reason I might add.

I think the most shocking aspect of the MCAT is how fair it is regardless of what you use to study lol. I applaud the AAMC.

I too applaud the AAMC for what they do. It really is amazing when you analyze the amount of work that goes into it. I am curious who you spoke to, how you reached them, and if it was by phone or at a conference between speakers. Based on what I've read in their MCAT Guideline, they are candid and sincere about their exam. They leave their conclusion about prep courses ambiguous, which is very smart.

The TPR, TBR, EK books are meant to a review of the material you learned in your classes. IMHO reading through your textbooks would be a ridiculous waste of time considering the amount of extra information in them. :shrug: I guess to each their own. If it worked for you then great. (BTW all my MCAT books together cost about 20% of all my pre-req coursebooks combined.)

Also I looked back at AAMC 3 and think that it was probably the least representative of my MCAT today but eh.

Great post Tatertots.

I think this whole "high-yield" "low-yield" stuff is nonsense. The AAMC publishes a list of all the topics they may test on the MCAT and the test-prep books try to review all these topics. If you are well-versed with everything the AAMC says they are going to test, you will not have problems with content.

Exactly. Another great point brought up in this thread.

@Mshope, @iMedatUCI, and @MightyMoose2:
You also make some great points, but I've overquoted in my post and now it's one of those annoying cut-n-paste, never-ending rants.
 
I understand that my exam was one out of multiple. But what I am saying is that every general consensus about the MCAT I've seen was wrong when I wrote my exam.
Prep books like EK, TPR and TBR were less useful in the biology section, what help me the most was my textbooks...they had extremely similar concepts and the same types of experiments I encountered in that single exam.
AAMC 11 was claimed to be most accurate and everyone claimed AAMC 3 was useless, however in that single exam I had two passages that were identical in concepts and diagrams to AAMC 3.
In verbal, I found passages to be shorter than I'm used to. Nothing on the forums prepares you for that and nothing in the prep books really.

I'm not trying to claim to understand the MCAT, however I will claim that it is not what you expect, it is different and fair. I think that prep companies are very very useful, but all these gimmicks and false strategies with verbal and "high yield" strategies do harm to the students. EK for example claims you should look for symmetry on verbal and answers that are opposite to each other (because one has to be right and one must be wrong), most of the time however using such strategies will fail you even on the practice AAMCs and on EKs own 101 passages.

I've used all the prep material, textbooks and taken prep courses. I feel as though they were extremely useful but sometimes misleading.

In conclusion, I am more comfortable with the PS and BS as I have a degree in mathematical physics (while doing alot of inorganic chem on the side, including research) and also honors in physiology. So as you can imagine, high school physics won't scare me. However with verbal, I have spent sometime analyzing it and I still think my approach is appropriate.
 
Studying textbooks as MCAT prep doesn't sound like an effective allocation of the limited time available before an MCAT. It's better spent on doing and analyzing MCAT practice materials.
 
In conclusion, I am more comfortable with the PS and BS as I have a degree in mathematical physics (while doing alot of inorganic chem on the side, including research) and also honors in physiology. So as you can imagine, high school physics won't scare me. However with verbal, I have spent sometime analyzing it and I still think my approach is appropriate.

I feel like that paragraph is like the conclusion to an essay titled "This Is Why I'm Better Than You".

BerkReviewTeach, awesome post, as always. No matter how much I've read/learned about the MCAT, I always learn something useful every time you post.
 
I feel like that paragraph is like the conclusion to an essay titled "This Is Why I'm Better Than You".

BerkReviewTeach, awesome post, as always. No matter how much I've read/learned about the MCAT, I always learn something useful every time you post.

Not intended in anyway. There are biomedical students, and bioengineering students who could show me up any day. I'm just noting that something's along the way have help me with the MCAT. I have a friend in biomedical sciences who finished with a PS:14,VR:15,BS15,Writing:S
When he was done he told me he had score atleast a 42J (14 in each section, and writing wasn't his strong suit)

I for one wouldnt be expecting a 44S but still felt knowledgable about the test.
I don't feel like I am better than anyone. The MCAT is such a small part of your application any way. There are those who will rock their ECs, interview or have 4.0 GPAs. The MCAT at my school of choice is worth 20% of my application. All in all, I feel that once you get over 30 on the MCAT everyone is on the same boat. My school of choice has a 32 score cutoff, so a 45T wont make you better than a 32N student.

I apologize if I came off that way.
 
Anyone else agree with the OP or have any other opinions? Just want to get an idea of what people think..
 
Firstly I will say...REAL MCAT is SHORTER (no this isn't a typo) than the practice. No I didn't feel it was shorter...I counted the words of the passages and they are 50-100 words shorter than the AAMC practice exams. However he real exam is broken into more paragraphs giving the illusion it is longer. Everyone who wrote the exam with me said it was longer BUT I counter the damn words so that's solid proof right there...no feelings involved.

As for the september 2nd MCAT

PS: easily, couldn't be easier
VR: same difficulty as AAMC practice, maybe a bit more tricky AnD SHORTER!
BS: easy, couldn't be easier
WS: one was EASY, the other...FML

Overall test difficulty: easy but I don't feel curve will be harsh as the questions were tricker than normal...I expect the same curve for a hard test.

It was shorter on YOUR TEST. It would be useful if this were a poll so we could see how other people's tests compared.

I don't doubt that you counted "words." The definition of a word is 5 characters. So, you count how many words a line can accommodate, then count the lines. Easy if you finish a little early and don't like checking answers. (In VR checking answers can potentially work against you if you don't remember the context of the question.)

OP: You do provide how for the slower readers!
 
I know OP IRL. 42R score is legit, and so are most of the posts. He definitely counted the words during the real exam, no doubt. It's the exact type of thing he'd do and brag about online afterwards.

Also, just as arrogant IRL as he sounds ITT. Really smart, but pompous as hell.
 
Lol this guy sounds like a beast. And I doubt the poll idea would work because people only 'fee' like their exam was longer or shorter. I don't think many people would count the words.
 
It was shorter on YOUR TEST. It would be useful if this were a poll so we could see how other people's tests compared.

I don't doubt that you counted "words." The definition of a word is 5 characters. So, you count how many words a line can accommodate, then count the lines. Easy if you finish a little early and don't like checking answers. (In VR checking answers can potentially work against you if you don't remember the context of the question.)

OP: You do provide how for the slower readers!

wat
 

Explaining the 5 letter "word":

That's how word count use to work, as well as, typing tests. (Counts the number of non-spaces you write and divides by 5.) For example, a person doesn't type 100 words per minute just because they can write "a" or "I" or some one letter word 100 times in a minute.

I'm not sure that's (the 5 letter deal) is what OP meant but is a plausible way to quickly estimate the "words" in a line. Multiply that by the number of lines in an average paragraph, then by the number of paragraphs.
 
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Lol this guy sounds like a beast. And I doubt the poll idea would work because people only 'fee' like their exam was longer or shorter. I don't think many people would count the words.

What I meant is that we could do some sort of poll. I didn't suggest that everyone count words, lol.

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