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I felt it was necessary as not everyone is going to click my username and search through where all my previous posts were....Admitting bias is not necessary. You have made nearly 1,000 posts, most of them in UPenn related threads.
lol barely meet structured program? What do you want them to do for you? You have the pre-reqs you take them, what else is there really? Its a well known fact advising here sucks, no-one hides or denies that. No clear answer when you would start would depend on when you were accepted and summer filled up very early this year so it would be appear there was a clear answer after all.About UPenn, it really seems to barely meet the threshold of a structured program, and to offer little to no specific attention or support. I am amazed at their lack of professionalism, which extended to not even being able to give me a clear answer on when I would potentially start classes with them (ultimately it would have been the Fall, after I was promised in person that it was going to be in the Summer)
Yes, I do believe that BM offers a distinct advantage over Tufts. The Tufts Pre-Med program isnt really well known, and isnt well documented whereas the BM one is. The Tufts MBS has some interesting data but you aren't in that. You are playing off the Tufts name which in the post-bac world doesnt mean a lot whereas BM/Goucher/Scripps does.When you subtract the linkages, any potential advantage of BM over Tufts disappears.
Do you honestly believe that a given applicant with an identical GPA and MCAT and prior experience, would experience a statistically distinct admission result for Medical School based on having gone to BM or Tufts?
Linkages aside - Penn claims 95% of their pre-health (no prereqs) get into medical school. I dont know if this number includes linkages and i am sure it is inflated but its still a pretty solid number even if you water it down someI am sorry, but with the possible exception of linkages, I don't agree with you.
The diff is that UPenn's post bac program and HES and BM have clear records demonstrating success in placing ppl into med school. Tufts pre-med doesnt really have the support (in terms of med school placement) seen by other programs. I didnt come to Penn for the name, I came to Penn for the opportunities to work in HUP/CHOP take classes and for a program which has a decent record in med school placement.Also, "playing off the Tufts name" is rather silly to say, as UPenn accepts most /all people who apply, and much like Harvard Extension School, people appear to attend because they want that name.
There is a lot of neg press written about columbia but it works out for some but this isnt the place to discuss that program. Again Penn and HES have solid records in placement, Tufts does not. Penn does not accept everyone and anyone. Im sure there are drop outs and ppl that dont make but every program has that but its not a money sucking venture.I also get the distinct feeling that for Columbia, UPenn, and Harvard Extension School, these health programs are money making ventures and they accept plenty of people they know will not be likely admits to medical school.
agreed. Plus I'm relatively familiar and comfortable with the area... It's really a personal preference. I don't need tons of advising. My ugrad advisor was awful, but u find mentors and peers and things work out. The ability to work at HUP/CHOP is what sold me.. And Penns program has a good reputation in the area - example: I inquired about a volunteer position a month ago after accepting the Penn offer. Told the person I would be starting at Penn, etc. Response in less than 24 hrs; a colleague at my ugrad sent essentially the same inquiry and recieved no response. So name probably does matter.I didnt come to Penn for the name, I came to Penn for the opportunities to work in HUP/CHOP take classes and for a program which has a decent record in med school placement.
Some people seem to misunderstand what I have been saying.
BM does not make a student a better candidate. (subjective either way. Based around the definition of better)
Better candidates tend to go to BM. (Most likely with good reason)
A strong candidate, with say 35+ on the MCAT, 3.7 or higher undergraduate and graduate school GPAs from elite universities, and good interviewing skills, will not see any difference in acceptances based on applying from Bryn Mawr or Tufts, assuming a 3.7+ at either.
I found absolutely no evidence to suggest that this is not the case, and I considered it thoroughly.
I could imagine that a hypothetical student with different qualifications might benefit from getting a possible closer first look from an admissions committee. (Glad you like playing with hypothetical situations this much)
And as I prefer to be in Boston instead of Philadelphia, that was the deciding factor. (bottom line guys)
Some people seem to misunderstand what I have been saying.
BM does not make a student a better candidate.
Better candidates tend to go to BM.
A strong candidate, with say 35+ on the MCAT, 3.7 or higher undergraduate and graduate school GPAs from elite universities, and good interviewing skills, will not see any difference in acceptances based on applying from Bryn Mawr or Tufts, assuming a 3.7+ at either.
I found absolutely no evidence to suggest that this is not the case, and I considered it thoroughly.
I could imagine that a hypothetical student with different qualifications might benefit from getting a possible closer first look from an admissions committee.
And as I prefer to be in Boston instead of Philadelphia, that was the deciding factor.
While this is not germane to my original question of who else is coming to Tufts (feel free to PM me if you are), regarding Bryn Mawr, and its linkages, one thing I noticed when I was considering that process, is that many of the schools that you can link to, are, without getting too specific, somewhat average. Yes, there are a few big names there. And yes, it is an accomplishment to get into any accredited US medical school. However, they are by and large, not top schools.
A student with a Step 1 of 256 and junior AOA membership at a lower-tier US MD school will be picked over an applicant of less stellar scores from Harvard or UCSF every time.