***Official UTMB-Galveston Class of 2013 Thread***

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How certain is it that you will get to go to Austin for years 3 and 4 if you want to?

Actually Blankette asked me that awhile back so I emailed Dr. Ainsworth, who's involved with that stuff...here's the email I got back. About 20% of 3rd year rotations are done in Austin now. A preference is shown for those who want to spend the entire year there and can pay for their own housing.

Hello, Chris -

The historical answer is simple. Since 1991 we have increased from less than a dozen to several dozen students year-round in Austin, and have always been able to expand the capacity to accept all volunteers. For future years, we do not yet know what our capacity will be in Austin, or how many students might now prefer Austin or Galveston for their clerkships. So although we have been able to accept everyone in the past, I recognize that may not be the case in the future. We will know more as we schedule the 2009-2010 students in March and April, and that should give you a better idea for your upcoming class.

Michael Ainsworth, MD
Professor, Department of Internal Medicine
Associate Dean for Regional Medical Education
UTMB School of Medicine
 
Actually Blankette asked me that awhile back so I emailed Dr. Ainsworth, who's involved with that stuff...here's the email I got back. About 20% of 3rd year rotations are done in Austin now. A preference is shown for those who want to spend the entire year there and can pay for their own housing.


I see. Thanks for the reply. I noticed in your other posts that you were dropping out of med school. Makes me kind of nervous as I can envision my self in a similar situation in a couple of years. I was a non sci major who worked for a bit, went back and took pre-requs but was never really crazy about sci stuff, and now reading all the stuff about residency and future of medicine has me wondering if the sacrifices will be worth it...i thought i was certain it was but now that i am accepted im not certain...oh well...its been a crazy day trying to get my list set up and wondering if I really want this...

Anyway, thanks for the info, I love UTMB but strongly dislike Galveston so am hoping to only spend two years there.
 
I see. Thanks for the reply. I noticed in your other posts that you were dropping out of med school. Makes me kind of nervous as I can envision my self in a similar situation in a couple of years. I was a non sci major who worked for a bit, went back and took pre-requs but was never really crazy about sci stuff, and now reading all the stuff about residency and future of medicine has me wondering if the sacrifices will be worth it...i thought i was certain it was but now that i am accepted im not certain...oh well...its been a crazy day trying to get my list set up and wondering if I really want this...

Anyway, thanks for the info, I love UTMB but strongly dislike Galveston so am hoping to only spend two years there.

Sure, no prob. Hey, since you're accepted...go for it. Try it on for size and see what all the fuss is about. Just keep your tepidness in mind, your eyes open, and don't be afraid to drop it if as you explore it and medicine becomes more concrete to you you decide its probably not for you.

You might find these helpful too...
http://meded.utmb.edu/orme/AustinInformation/UpdateonAustinStudentPrograms090507.pdf

http://meded.utmb.edu/orme/AustinInformation.htm
 
Aren't many doctors openly disdainful of science?
 
Hmmm, I'd have to say most everything would point to the opposite conclusion🙂.
Ok, glad to hear that. Some of my professors would talk about how MDs don't understand science/are hostile towards it. One of the doctors who worked with a surgeon I shadowed was sort of hostile towards it.
 
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The 2nd year class will be having a meeting next Thursday to discuss 3rd year Galveston and Austin rotations. Last I heard - there were 75 spots open in Austin. Galveston rotations will be "greater Galveston area" which includes Houston, League City, and the surrounding areas. I'm sure we will know more then and be able to answer more questions about 3rd year after we hear from the bosses.
 
Kudu - Sad to see you go... and you didn't even get to meet my little ankle biter. Best of luck to you!
 
i read an article today on the galveston daily news website that said that utmb would no longer accept uninsured pts... is this true?

i thought utmb's big theme was "here for the health of texas" being there for the community, indigent care, etc etc................... a factor that really drew me to the school....
 
i read an article today on the galveston daily news website that said that utmb would no longer accept uninsured pts... is this true?

i thought utmb's big theme was "here for the health of texas" being there for the community, indigent care, etc etc................... a factor that really drew me to the school....

What a mess. UTMB (the hospitals specifically) better get their stuff together and get a plan laid out that they can follow through on. All this mess is getting pretty ridiculous.
 
i thought utmb's big theme was "here for the health of texas" being there for the community, indigent care, etc etc................... a factor that really drew me to the school....
That was a big draw for me too. Hopefully one of the current students can tell us it's not true, or else temporary.
 
i imagine that it was prob a draw for a lot of us.... since the school identifies itself as such and picks applicants that "fit the mold"
 
i read an article today on the galveston daily news website that said that utmb would no longer accept uninsured pts... is this true?

i thought utmb's big theme was "here for the health of texas" being there for the community, indigent care, etc etc................... a factor that really drew me to the school....

Well, guys...what money do you want them to use to treat them with? They're not doing it because they're meanies. This is almost assuredly temporary. The Tx legislature is in session now, so I expect you'll know how much money UTMB will be dealing with soon enough. They're asking for $300+ mil, iirc.
 
I just wonder why a med school like UTMB is having any trouble getting government money. It is well known that the US is facing a doctor shortage, and UTMB is one of the better and bigger med schools in Texas. Seems like the government would want to get it back up fully as soon as possible.
 
I know earlier they said they would start bringing back 3rd and 4th year students to Galveston in January; did that happen, or are they pushing that back?
 
Some are back. Most should be back by july they said.

As for treating the uninsured, once the premed mindset is bashed out of you, you will realize that it takes a lot of money to treat uninsured and that its not the smartest thing to do when you are already losing millions per week as well as asking for 300 mil more from the government.

Things will get back to normal one day...just not tomorrow like people want.
 
As for treating the uninsured, once the premed mindset is bashed out of you, you will realize that it takes a lot of money to treat uninsured and that its not the smartest thing to do when you are already losing millions per week as well as asking for 300 mil more from the government.

Well put, it's unfortunate, but true: money makes the world go 'round. With that said, I still think that UTMB will get back to treating some uninsured once they get stabalized a bit.
 
I just wonder why a med school like UTMB is having any trouble getting government money.

I don't know that they are. The government just moves slooooowly. The tx legislature just came into session this month, and FEMA just completed its initial survey in mid-Dec.
 
hows the MDPHD life at UTMB and what its the pledge time for Phi Beta Pi Medical Fraternity.
 
This is an e-mail I received today, is there any validity to this?

"There is a lot of news reports and publicity circulating about UT closing the hospital in Galveston. I do not know the precise role this has with respect to the medical school there. You should be on a heightened alert about exactly what ongoing role the medical school will have in Galveston as there seems to be a lot of news about closing the hospital there and opening one in Austin in its place. It would be bad for you to accept enrollment there and then have the school close down before you can begin so be on notice about exactly what the commitment the school has for continuing to operate.

I also heard that the Shriners are closing their hospital in Galveston."
 
"There is a lot of news reports and publicity circulating about UT closing the hospital in Galveston. I do not know the precise role this has with respect to the medical school there. You should be on a heightened alert about exactly what ongoing role the medical school will have in Galveston as there seems to be a lot of news about closing the hospital there and opening one in Austin in its place. It would be bad for you to accept enrollment there and then have the school close down before you can begin so be on notice about exactly what the commitment the school has for continuing to operate."

Is there any validity to the rest of this?
 
This is an e-mail I received today, is there any validity to this?

"There is a lot of news reports and publicity circulating about UT closing the hospital in Galveston. I do not know the precise role this has with respect to the medical school there. You should be on a heightened alert about exactly what ongoing role the medical school will have in Galveston as there seems to be a lot of news about closing the hospital there and opening one in Austin in its place. It would be bad for you to accept enrollment there and then have the school close down before you can begin so be on notice about exactly what the commitment the school has for continuing to operate.

None of that would make any financial sense, and goes against everything that's been said by those making the decisions. They just reopened the hospital. And frankly, those rumors have been out there for years. I wouldn't put much stock in them.
 
I don't think it makes much sense either, just wanted to see if anyone had heard this stuff and if they knew if it were true.
 
i dont know sometimes i think it'll all be ok but sometimes i freak out... i cant figure out if some of it is just exagerration to make for good "the-world-is-ending" news articles or if it really is like this.....

ive worked too hard to get to this point to not come out with a great edu experience
 
i dont know sometimes i think it'll all be ok but sometimes i freak out... i cant figure out if some of it is just exagerration to make for good "the-world-is-ending" news articles or if it really is like this.....

ive worked too hard to get to this point to not come out with a great edu experience


i feels ya
 
The dean and president and numerous others have all talked about this email/rumor many times. It is not true and as Kudu said, would not make financial sense. You will still get a great medical experience here at UTMB.
I agree. No matter what happens the school will make sure we get the MD and UTMB's reputation is pretty established. I'm honestly not too worried about the fact that Shriner's is closing for a bit. As I understand it, UTMB med students didn't even go over there, correct?
 
I am not sure about if we went there or not. I highly doubt it will affect us much anyway since if we did go, I dont believe we went much. Besides, its over two years before yall will be in rotations and a year and half for us. Things will be very different by then. I wouldnt worry.
 
I am not sure about if we went there or not. I highly doubt it will affect us much anyway since if we did go, I dont believe we went much. Besides, its over two years before yall will be in rotations and a year and half for us. Things will be very different by then. I wouldnt worry.

ditto. Its hard to speculate how things are going to be when you guys (and us for that matter) will be in rotations. I suspect, things will normalize to a new standard by then and that standard will provide the same great education that UTMB has been providing for over a century. I'm sure this isn't the first financial difficulty the university has faced and it has continued to thrive and grow.
 
I am not sure about if we went there or not. I highly doubt it will affect us much anyway since if we did go, I dont believe we went much. Besides, its over two years before yall will be in rotations and a year and half for us. Things will be very different by then. I wouldnt worry.

What he said. In the grand scheme not a big deal, although it added something unique I think. I remember an interviewee a year or two ago saying that she felt she messed up her int because of having it in Shriners and seeing those kids with severe burns beforehand. Students did see some of those patients on at least the surgery rotation, and had the option to get involved with the considerable burns research going on there. Hopefully they'll be back up and running soon.
 
Hi, I'm hoping to get a little advice. I have a apartment in Bellaire (south Houston) in my mother's house. (Attic converted to bedroom, living room, bathroom.) My wife and I could stay there for free and my wife could work in Houston. But, I would have to commute to Galveston. I was thinking I could commute when there is no traffic and maybe drive into Galveston late at night and sleep in one of the student centers after studying if I didn't want to get up at 6am. This would help us save a lot of money on rent. Even if we did pay for rent in Galveston, I'm worried about the apartment situation down there and if there's another hurricane. Also, I'm planing on doing the Global Health Track and be out of the country a lot. (Hoping to do summers away, and a year abroad between 3rd and 4th year.) If we were living at my mother's it would make those trips a lot more financially viable not having to worry about the rent while we're gone. Not to mention moving. Lastly, with students being sent away for rotations, (I'd love a lot of away rotations in Houston) maybe it would even help to be based in Houston for 3rd and 4th year? I'm open to lot's of suggestions and opintions! Thanks.
 
Hi, I'm hoping to get a little advice. I have a apartment in Bellaire (south Houston) in my mother's house. (Attic converted to bedroom, living room, bathroom.) My wife and I could stay there for free and my wife could work in Houston. But, I would have to commute to Galveston. I was thinking I could commute when there is no traffic and maybe drive into Galveston late at night and sleep in one of the student centers after studying if I didn't want to get up at 6am. This would help us save a lot of money on rent. Even if we did pay for rent in Galveston, I'm worried about the apartment situation down there and if there's another hurricane. Also, I'm planing on doing the Global Health Track and be out of the country a lot. (Hoping to do summers away, and a year abroad between 3rd and 4th year.) If we were living at my mother's it would make those trips a lot more financially viable not having to worry about the rent while we're gone. Not to mention moving. Lastly, with students being sent away for rotations, (I'd love a lot of away rotations in Houston) maybe it would even help to be based in Houston for 3rd and 4th year? I'm open to lot's of suggestions and opintions! Thanks.

well, you can certainly do it. i know a guy who commuted from further north than that haha. the commute isn't that bad really. it takes me about 50 min to get from school to downtown Htown with little traffic and going about the speed limit, just for reference. it's going to be interesting to see how the real estate market ends up responding down here.
 
so i go back and forth with how worried/excited i get about utmb.

last post- a little freaked out

but, i think i have underestimated the value of utmb's curriculum. it seems a bit "strange" in texas because its unlike the other schools' curric... but i've looked into it.. and there are tons of great med schools outside of tx with a very similar curric

in fact, i started researching medical education reform, etc and the general consensus seems to be to change medical education to the method that utmb is using...

if you don't believe me, look it up...
 
so i go back and forth with how worried/excited i get about utmb.

last post- a little freaked out

but, i think i have underestimated the value of utmb's curriculum. it seems a bit "strange" in texas because its unlike the other schools' curric... but i've looked into it.. and there are tons of great med schools outside of tx with a very similar curric

in fact, i started researching medical education reform, etc and the general consensus seems to be to change medical education to the method that utmb is using...

if you don't believe me, look it up...

You are correct, the trend is towards a more system based/integrated approach. Traditional curricula are on their way out, just some schools are holding on to old ways. They will all come around eventually. In addition, to UTMB's curriculum, don't forget UTMB's excellent board prep. Board scores are more important than you probably believe.
 
You are correct, the trend is towards a more system based/integrated approach. Traditional curricula are on their way out, just some schools are holding on to old ways. They will all come around eventually. In addition, to UTMB's curriculum, don't forget UTMB's excellent board prep. Board scores are more important than you probably believe.

Even more important is half days here...
 
Even more important is half days here...

i feels ya too.... it just seems that sitting in lecture from 8-5 or w/e just wouldn't be too productive. sometimes you just need to get out and do it on your own.
 
Hi, I'm hoping to get a little advice. I have a apartment in Bellaire (south Houston) in my mother's house. (Attic converted to bedroom, living room, bathroom.) My wife and I could stay there for free and my wife could work in Houston. But, I would have to commute to Galveston. I was thinking I could commute when there is no traffic and maybe drive into Galveston late at night and sleep in one of the student centers after studying if I didn't want to get up at 6am. This would help us save a lot of money on rent. Even if we did pay for rent in Galveston, I'm worried about the apartment situation down there and if there's another hurricane. Also, I'm planing on doing the Global Health Track and be out of the country a lot. (Hoping to do summers away, and a year abroad between 3rd and 4th year.) If we were living at my mother's it would make those trips a lot more financially viable not having to worry about the rent while we're gone. Not to mention moving. Lastly, with students being sent away for rotations, (I'd love a lot of away rotations in Houston) maybe it would even help to be based in Houston for 3rd and 4th year? I'm open to lot's of suggestions and opintions! Thanks.

There are a few people in my class that commute from Houston. Its not ideal - an extra 2+ hours driving each day when you could be studying - but it is doable. It would really suck first year due to the 8am class 5 days a week. I don't live on the island but pretty close to it and I have a normal 25-30min drive not during rush hour but I still have to leave my house an hour early if I have to be there by 8. There is a lot of traffic on 45S and still under construction... and people like to wreck on mornings of exams. Second year would be much more doable since its only one morning a week and then 3-4afternoons.

Sleeping in the student center is not really an option right now, as well. You may want to take that into consideration. It may be an option by the time you get here - but its not too good of one. There are a couple of love seats but its mostly study rooms with tables and chairs. Graves and Mary Moody bldg are currently only open 8-5 because of the reconstruction but that should definitely be cleared out before you get here. There are typically patient exam tables in each room so I guess you could sleep there. I've pulled a few all nighters before an exam - but I didn't sleep so...

Let me know if you have any other questions...
 
Hi, I'm hoping to get a little advice. I have a apartment in Bellaire (south Houston) in my mother's house. (Attic converted to bedroom, living room, bathroom.) My wife and I could stay there for free and my wife could work in Houston. But, I would have to commute to Galveston. I was thinking I could commute when there is no traffic and maybe drive into Galveston late at night and sleep in one of the student centers after studying if I didn't want to get up at 6am. This would help us save a lot of money on rent. Even if we did pay for rent in Galveston, I'm worried about the apartment situation down there and if there's another hurricane. Also, I'm planing on doing the Global Health Track and be out of the country a lot. (Hoping to do summers away, and a year abroad between 3rd and 4th year.) If we were living at my mother's it would make those trips a lot more financially viable not having to worry about the rent while we're gone. Not to mention moving. Lastly, with students being sent away for rotations, (I'd love a lot of away rotations in Houston) maybe it would even help to be based in Houston for 3rd and 4th year? I'm open to lot's of suggestions and opintions! Thanks.

My only thing to add to the other responses is that you only have a summer between 1st and 2nd year. Also, you have to do 3rd year rotations at your home institution (either in Greater Galveston area or Austin). Also, you can do visiting rotations 4th year, but from my understanding the required ones like Senior Surgery have to be done in the UTMB system.
 
i feels ya too.... it just seems that sitting in lecture from 8-5 or w/e just wouldn't be too productive. sometimes you just need to get out and do it on your own.

Its not productive to sit in lecture at all IMO. You will soon go and realize that you just got up to walk to class and doze off during lecture. I decided that I could just sleep at home and havent gone to lecture since.
 
I stopped going to lecture after GAR. In GAR it was helpful because it is such a visual subject and it would help to have profs point things out. Since then, I've skipped almost all lectures. I go to the "orientation" lecture and thats about it. You learn to become more efficient with your time - and you have plenty of time leftover to spend with family and friends. I have a 2.5 month old, go to my hometown most weekends (except right before an exam), and still have plenty of time leftover to study since I don't waste my time in lectures.
 
Haha, to parrot Haro and liltxcat, I really didn't go to lecture either, and when I did it was usually just to socialize🙂.

Ok, so I watched the townhall meeting from yesterday.
-They ended up releasing 2450 employees, not the 3800 originally planned.
-about 90 3rd year students are back in Galvy.
-since Ike, 1500+ babies have been delivered and 127k+ outpatient visits have taken place.
-about 750 hospital admissions have occurred since it opened this month, with the census being 224 yesterday morning (basically operating at capacity). The ED has seen around 2600 people.
-They expect a couple of clinics in the League City facility under construction to open in Dec.
-Aiming to reopen the trauma center in the spring, probably as a lvl 3 at first.
-will not handle indigent/unsponsored? care at the same level as before. According to their projections, if they did so they'd lose $250+mil/year by 2013, and it was a main reason UTMB's finances have been relatively unstable for a long time.

-Consulting firm to release its analysis to the Regents and the legislature in a few weeks. They'll give details and pros/cons for about 3 different possible configurations...
1. keep everything on island and invest in new facilities here.
2. relocation of most of inpatient capacity to mainland
3. split inpatient capacity betweeen mainland and island facilities.

Calendar said to expect the legislative session to heat up mid-March through May. They're asking for 336 mil in emergency funding, in addition to funds for items and funding they would have asked for anyway (including 40 mil for a new education building, and ~18 mil each for research in ID, burns, and brain research).

liltxcat, what did they tell you guys about 3rd year at your meeting?:luck:
 
Great info, thanks Kudu.

-Consulting firm to release its analysis to the Regents and the legislature in a few weeks. They'll give details and pros/cons for about 3 different possible configurations...
1. keep everything on island and invest in new facilities here.
2. relocation of most of inpatient capacity to mainland
3. split inpatient capacity betweeen mainland and island facilities.
Let's hope for number 1.
 
Kudu -- Not too much really...
~30 year-long spots in Austin and ~40 other spots for particular rotations. If you have a special circumstance (parents live in Austin, from there, whatever..) you get first dibs. Nothing has really changed as far as Austin. I believe the competition for the spots will be quite high -- about half of the class attended the meeting and there were some students who want to go to Austin that did not attend.

There are some exciting things that are privately being discussed about a certain hospital in Houston being part of the "great Galveston area" for 3rd year rotations. I think a lot of the issues that people are concerned about rotations will be cleared before I even get to them... so in 6ish months I believe most things will be worked out. Now just have to start studying for boards...
 
I'm going to guess you're talking abou t st. lukes...i think that's the one i heard them tossing around last nov, among others. not sure i'd be excited though...i'd be pissed if i had to drive 1-2 hrs and deal with that parking. hopefully if it goes through they'll make it voluntary.
 
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