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what??? i am surprised this even got published. but med schools love to put everything under the professionalism umbrella to control behavior. its really one of the most toxic things about the culture of medicine.

do people really even check their doctor's social media? Like does anyone even have that luxury beyond proximity and insurance plan???
 
If you take out the swimsuit part, because that's kind of ridiculous, the rest of study has merit as an idea. Having a social media account that a patient could find that has content, like pictures of you intoxicated, could be difficult. I could see some patients not liking it.
 
As an aside, I went to the beach with my wife the other day and I couldn't help but wish bikinis weren't the trend. I don't like seeing everyone in what's essentially their underwear.

It's their right and whatnot. Just wish I didn't have to see it.
I think most men would disagree. Plus you dont have to look.
 
I think most men would disagree. Plus you dont have to look.
Maybe. I guess I'm not most men, idk. I'd just rather the only woman I see that close to naked be my wife. And it's pretty impossible to not see.

Unless I don't wear contacts I guess

Also, where I was it was mostly obese older people. If that changes the context of my remark lol
 
There were other issues with the study beyond the bikinis - for example, though they didn't define "controversial opinions" very well (beyond abortion/gun control), one of their cited studies that they said they modeled it after clearly states that things like supporting same-sex marriage were considered controversial enough to be unprofessional (in 2017!)
 
Maybe. I guess I'm not most men, idk. I'd just rather the only woman I see that close to naked be my wife. And it's pretty impossible to not see.

Unless I don't wear contacts I guess

Also, where I was it was mostly obese older people. If that changes the context of my remark lol
I was going to assume it was a religious thing.
 
Absolutely insane... I know for a fact that if a man posted a picture wearing swim shorts, on private social media, it would not be considered unprofessional
 
me every morning: ok, there's no way this year could get any more ****ed up
2020: hold my covid swab

The study authors cited two similar studies from Urology (2017) and General Surgery (2014). Why the backlash now and not then?

Every year our malpractice company makes us attend these seminars to avoid getting sued. The one I went to a couple years ago highlighted possible issues with social media. They showed an example of an on-call pediatrician getting paged by a mom about something seemingly benign. Pediatrician gave reassurance, told mom to monitor symptoms and to call the office the next day if still having problems. Mom never called the next day and three days later kid is rushed to the hospital. Ended up having a complication. Doctor never documented the encounter. Mom sued a year later.

Turned into a he said she said situation until the lawyers found the pediatrician's facebook profile....with pics of her partying it up at her sister's birthday party at a bar the same night of the call. Doctor holding some sort of unknown colored beverage with ample booze in the background. Pictures time stamped to the phone records of the phone call. Doctor swears she didn't drink but no way to prove her drink was not EtOH. Lawyers made case that doctor partying it up and possibly impaired at the time of the phone call directly linked to kid's complication. Mom claimed the doctor said everything was fine and not to worry. Conveniently didn't recall the part about needing follow up. Since no documentation of the phone call except for the FB pics, doc lost case. I'm all for people posting things on-line, but understand that what's acceptable today might not be acceptable tomorrow. That stuff stays on the internet forever.
 
The study authors cited two similar studies from Urology (2017) and General Surgery (2014). Why the backlash now and not then?

Every year our malpractice company makes us attend these seminars to avoid getting sued. The one I went to a couple years ago highlighted possible issues with social media. They showed an example of an on-call pediatrician getting paged by a mom about something seemingly benign. Pediatrician gave reassurance, told mom to monitor symptoms and to call the office the next day if still having problems. Mom never called the next day and three days later kid is rushed to the hospital. Ended up having a complication. Doctor never documented the encounter. Mom sued a year later.

Turned into a he said she said situation until the lawyers found the pediatrician's facebook profile....with pics of her partying it up at her sister's birthday party at a bar the same night of the call. Doctor holding some sort of unknown colored beverage with ample booze in the background. Pictures time stamped to the phone records of the phone call. Doctor swears she didn't drink but no way to prove her drink was not EtOH. Lawyers made case that doctor partying it up and possibly impaired at the time of the phone call directly linked to kid's complication. Mom claimed the doctor said everything was fine and not to worry. Conveniently didn't recall the part about needing follow up. Since no documentation of the phone call except for the FB pics, doc lost case. I'm all for people posting things on-line, but understand that what's acceptable today might not be acceptable tomorrow. That stuff stays on the internet forever.

Seems like the lesson here is to document every encounter and not about social media.
 
Yes, you are right, documentation of encounter is key. With that being said, the social media was used as "documentation" against them.

A jury is not going to sympathize with you when they see a picture of you partying it up side by side of a picture of the kid sick in the hospital.
 
Bad study design that was pretty ambiguous from the start. Kind of ironic that the only thing most people pull out of this is the bikini thing though. Authors definitely should have framed it in a non sexist way instead of the way that they did. I think studies like this have merit IF designed correctly. Just unfortunate that the methodology was creepy and sexist. It is a good reminder that everything online is up for grabs though. That should be the big takeaway for everyone here. And even though you might think your posts are ok, there are going to be people that think otherwise. Better to be safe than sorry until you are an attending.
 
That article reads like what I would expect to find if I ever clicked on those really poor quality clickbait ads.

"Researchers SHAME doctors wearing BIKINIS... See how they respond when the doctors post THIS."

In fact I'm pretty sure someone made like $0.000001 off of me clicking that link. And here we are, at the pinnacle of modern society.
 
I’ve taken dumps that contributed to medical literature more than that vascular publication did.

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That article reads like what I would expect to find if I ever clicked on those really poor quality clickbait ads.

"Researchers SHAME doctors wearing BIKINIS... See how they respond when the doctors post THIS."
The only thing missing was "Number six will shock you!!!"
 
That article reads like what I would expect to find if I ever clicked on those really poor quality clickbait ads.

"Researchers SHAME doctors wearing BIKINIS... See how they respond when the doctors post THIS."

In fact I'm pretty sure someone made like $0.000001 off of me clicking that link. And here we are, at the pinnacle of modern society.

"Doctors HATE her!!"
 
There were other issues with the study beyond the bikinis - for example, though they didn't define "controversial opinions" very well (beyond abortion/gun control), one of their cited studies that they said they modeled it after clearly states that things like supporting same-sex marriage were considered controversial enough to be unprofessional (in 2017!)
Bad study design that was pretty ambiguous from the start. Kind of ironic that the only thing most people pull out of this is the bikini thing though. Authors definitely should have framed it in a non sexist way instead of the way that they did. I think studies like this have merit IF designed correctly. Just unfortunate that the methodology was creepy and sexist. It is a good reminder that everything online is up for grabs though. That should be the big takeaway for everyone here. And even though you might think your posts are ok, there are going to be people that think otherwise. Better to be safe than sorry until you are an attending.

Man, peer review needs to be massively overhauled if garbage studies with obvious problems get an approval from reviewer(s).
 
I would love to do a study evaluating trends in garbage articles like this with poor science. I just don’t want to publish another garbage paper about garbage :thinking:
 
Just another example of old white dudes telling women how to live their lives lol
All of those authors were under 35, so they're pretty young.

Apparently stupid, but young.
 
Conversely, if they just wanted to see half the doctors in the country in bikinis, and were willing to be hated to achieve that goal...they are in fact evil geniuses

we could have went with just telling them repeatedly it was a dumb study
 
A jury is not going to sympathize with you when they see a picture of you partying it up side by side of a picture of the kid sick in the hospital.

A jury wouldn’t see that if your attorney is any good.
 
I hope the authors of this paper have a hard time finding work because of this trash.
More importantly I hope the editor that allowed this to be published suffers consequences
 
I think it’s a bit much to imply they should never find work if they learned from their mistake here
That will be the trick. We can be a pretty forgiving profession IF (and its a big if here) you learn from what you did wrong.

Its more rare than you'd think.
 
I think it’s a bit much to imply they should never find work if they learned from their mistake here
Maybe it’s bc I’m a student still, but I’d love to see blowback from this ridiculous mission to weaponize professionalism against every little thing.
 
A jury wouldn’t see that if your attorney is any good.

Not necessarily. What really matters is if your attorney is better than theirs.

I hope the authors of this paper have a hard time finding work because of this trash.

A little harsh? What about the female author of the paper? She should get punished too?The study wasn’t good but give them a scarlet letter for it?
 
Not necessarily. What really matters is if your attorney is better than theirs.

If your attorney is any good, they would get any irrelevant social media posts thrown out because they’re completely irrelevant to the case and just an attempt at character assassination.
 
If your attorney is any good, they would get any irrelevant social media posts thrown out because they’re completely irrelevant to the case and just an attempt at character assassination.

Lawyer: I have evidence that the doctor was potentially impaired on the date and time she talked to patient on the phone

Judge: how did you get this information

Lawyer: I got it from the doctor’s publicly accessible social media account

Judge: request to submit evidence denied. You must be a bad lawyer. Didn’t you know that doctors have complete immunity to anything they publish on social media?!?
 
Lawyer: I have evidence that the doctor was potentially impaired on the date and time she talked to patient on the phone

Judge: how did you get this information

Lawyer: I got it from the doctor’s publicly accessible social media account

Judge: request to submit evidence denied. You must be a bad lawyer. Didn’t you know that doctors have complete immunity to anything they publish on social media?!?

I mean if you’re specifically talking about someone being drunk during a procedure or something then sure. I didn’t realize that’s what you were talking about (didn’t see your first post).
 
Not necessarily. What really matters is if your attorney is better than theirs.



A little harsh? What about the female author of the paper? She should get punished too?The study wasn’t good but give them a scarlet letter for it?
Yup. Don’t care.

Again, I’m just sick of the way “professionalism” is used against us. I know if I was hiring people, I wouldn’t want to work with someone who I thought was critiquing/judging every aspect of what I do in my free time on my day off.
 
it's a very American process (at least in the Western world) to be that concerned with nudity, partial or otherwise. it has no effect on anyone. people spend too much time creepin on one another and trying to police how people live their lives. i honestly don't understand it. doctors are regular people who just happen to work hard and like medicine.

folks need to calm down and get a hobby or two.
 
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