Okami WW Game Thread

[Truenamer]

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No, you used two c’s.

The only person I currently feel comfortable calling village is fluff, but those two are the ones that had posts that pinged me. I quoted them at some point.

For me it's fluff, AM, and then a small step down to samac

 

[SportPonies]

For me it's fluff, AM, and then a small step down to samac

Interesting choices…

 

[Animal Midwife]

For me it's fluff, AM, and then a small step down to samac

From least to most?

 

[zuriburi]

Just curious am I on the list because of my push of you or are there others things you noticed?
You explained cray below.
What do you see in true?

Fair point if you are village, I have a hard time believing there wasn’t a wolf on his vote. Or at least between him and dubz, but O2 and sport weren’t here at vote close so hard to delineate those and where they would have gone.

the main thing that felt sus about you was talking a big game about how zenge was being unfairly pushed and then moving your vote off of the leading alternate. I havent checked the vote count in each moment but it felt like a way of skillfully having your cake and eating it too. But my instincts about this stuff feel completely shot at this point.

 

[Truenamer]

From least to most?

VILLAGE

Fluff
AM

Samac

 

[Animal Midwife]

VILLAGE

Fluff
AM

Samac

Why is fluff above me?

 

[Truenamer]

Why is fluff above me?

I say this with full love and respect: at least in her games so far, when fluff is a wolf she radiates wolf energy. I think that Samac in particular is super good at picking up on it, it's part of why we N1'd her last game.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I say this with full love and respect: at least in her games so far, when fluff is a wolf she radiates wolf energy. I think that Samac in particular is super good at picking up on it, it's part of why we N1'd her last game.

At what point did you notice her not radiating wolf energy?

 

[samac]

Interesting choices…

I kinda like em.

the main thing that felt sus about you was talking a big game about how zenge was being unfairly pushed and then moving your vote off of the leading alternate. I havent checked the vote count in each moment but it felt like a way of skillfully having your cake and eating it too. But my instincts about this stuff feel completely shot at this point.

God damn that’s assuming some big 3D chess. That would be a good play as a wolf, vote with zenge while also intentionally getting zenge yeeted. I’ll give you that.
What made you think of that as a possibility?

I say this with full love and respect: at least in her games so far, when fluff is a wolf she radiates wolf energy. I think that Samac in particular is super good at picking up on it, it's part of why we N1'd her last game.

I really haven’t picked up on her BWE (big wolf energy).
Maybe I’m wrong here but she feels inherently different.

 

[Truenamer]

At what point did you notice her not radiating wolf energy?

At some point while she was arguing with you, it's the most V/V argument I think I've seen while I've been playing

 

[kaydubs]

Day 2: Leap Before You Think Tally

zuri (3)-- samac, fluff, True
Visc (1) - AM

4/10

Missing: more than half
Leading: @zuriburi

Vote closes tomorrow at 9 p.m. CST (~34 hours)

 

[zuriburi]

Alright think I’m figuring out multiquote …. Went back through and these all feel like cray trying to subtly encourage a zenge push while pocketing me and vis and maintaining the push as my push. Seems like the most wuss material in the early pages knowing that zenge and DubZ were village.

Like this post. Not sure how I want to lean it, town vs scum, but I like the contribution and sass. I wouldn't expect this level of confidence from noob scum, but perhaps we're just dealing with an exceptional noob.

boosting me without fully boosting, making it seem like if they ultimately side with me I’ve won them over

Good vibes from Vis' entrance

Vis entrance was just to vote for zenge without much else. Again reinforcing the zenge train without hopping on. This post also counterintuitively semi clears vis for me if cray were to flip wolf since it seems like a really clumsy way to boost your pack and I assume cray would be more careful

Getting bad vibes from Samac's posts.

What else is new this game, lol

this Didn’t strike me as weird before because I also got bad vibes from samac’s posts at the time. But all samac was really doing was questioning my flimsy argument for zenge

I thought itt they made comments like "what is pocketing" or "explain the eye twitch" that seemed nooby, and I don't recognize the username as one I've played with before

I hadn’t said what is pocketing at any point and it was one of the few pieces of Lingo I did understand about the game. I guess this could be an honest mistake tho.

#### yeet samac ####

Also eyeing Zenge, but not sure I want to vote with zuri yet.

Don't care for the fluff and true votes. Salt votes are bugging me. Salt votes from ww vet leaders on wolf noobs that just lost the prior game I like even less.

This post is another example of boosting the zenge train subtly while reinforcing that it’s my train.
from here I remember things going really meta and my eyes glazing over so I’ll stop here.

 

[zuriburi]

I kinda like em.

God damn that’s assuming some big 3D chess. That would be a good play as a wolf, vote with zenge while also intentionally getting zenge yeeted. I’ll give you that.
What made you think of that as a possibility?

I really haven’t picked up on her BWE (big wolf energy).
Maybe I’m wrong here but she feels inherently different.

I assume that vets here are all playing some form of 3D chess but in particular in that moment I was also especially aware of that vote change because it was on me, so recognizing that it both was a push on me and made things worse for zenge had me see the 3D wolf play. But honestly I’m less suspicious of you now looking at the early thread with more informed eyes.

 

[Animal Midwife]

Alright think I’m figuring out multiquote …. Went back through and these all feel like cray trying to subtly encourage a zenge push while pocketing me and vis and maintaining the push as my push. Seems like the most wuss material in the early pages knowing that zenge and DubZ were village.


boosting me without fully boosting, making it seem like if they ultimately side with me I’ve won them over

Vis entrance was just to vote for zenge without much else. Again reinforcing the zenge train without hopping on. This post also counterintuitively semi clears vis for me if cray were to flip wolf since it seems like a really clumsy way to boost your pack and I assume cray would be more careful

this Didn’t strike me as weird before because I also got bad vibes from samac’s posts at the time. But all samac was really doing was questioning my flimsy argument for zenge

I hadn’t said what is pocketing at any point and it was one of the few pieces of Lingo I did understand about the game. I guess this could be an honest mistake tho.

This post is another example of boosting the zenge train subtly while reinforcing that it’s my train.
from here I remember things going really meta and my eyes glazing over so I’ll stop here.

Who are you think is compatible with Cray? This is demonstrating a very in-depth understanding of the game.

 

[zuriburi]

Day 2: Leap Before You Think Tally

zuri (3)-- samac, fluff, True
Visc (1) - AM

4/10

Missing: more than half
Leading: @zuriburi

Vote closes tomorrow at 9 p.m. CST (~34 hours)

I do believe I voted to yeet crayola227 earlier but now that I’ve had a chance to review I really mean it rationale posted above.

 

[samac]

I do believe I voted to yeet crayola227 earlier but now that I’ve had a chance to review I really mean it rationale posted above.

It’s best to put your votes on a separate line from everything else for the mods to be able to see them

 

[samac]

Who are you think is compatible with Cray? This is demonstrating a very in-depth understanding of the game.

I’m shook.
If he is village he could be a powerhouse in future games.
But I also noted how he specifically aligned himself with Vis in that post when talking about getting pocketed.

 

[zuriburi]

Who are you think is compatible with Cray? This is demonstrating a very in-depth understanding of the game.

Fluff has talked about this game a lot during past games… on a play by play level so I’ve learned a lot as a backseat passenger (I’m honestly still salty about the time you (I think it was you?) dragged her so relentlessly through a bad faith argument as a wolf.)

I have no real idea who would be compatible with cray? Maybe true?

 

[Animal Midwife]

Fluff has talked about this game a lot during past games… on a play by play level so I’ve learned a lot as a backseat passenger (I’m honestly still salty about the time you (I think it was you?) dragged her so relentlessly through a bad faith argument as a wolf.)

I have no real idea who would be compatible with cray? Maybe true?

Why are you salty about that?

What makes you think True is with Cray?

 

[Truenamer]

Fluff has talked about this game a lot during past games… on a play by play level so I’ve learned a lot as a backseat passenger (I’m honestly still salty about the time you (I think it was you?) dragged her so relentlessly through a bad faith argument as a wolf.)

I have no real idea who would be compatible with cray? Maybe true?

(Many of these bad people were very mean to us last game, they deserve extreme salt. Should have let us eat them 😞 )

 

[zuriburi]

I’m shook.
If he is village he could be a powerhouse in future games.
But I also noted how he specifically aligned himself with Vis in that post when talking about getting pocketed.

I mean if cray flipped village my top next guess would be vis, I just don’t think the 2 are compatible unless cray’s move to bolster a wolf pack was to say “getting nice vibes from vis” as soon as possible which seems way too hamfisted??

 

[zuriburi]

Why are you salty about that?

What makes you think True is with Cray?

If I remember right it was a while ago and you were a wolf and she was village and you had bussed and all signs were super obvious that you were a wolf who had bussed but you got away with it because everyone was bought in on the idea that you never bus and then you had some technicality how it wasn’t bussing but w/e you voted for a wolf pack and it drove fluff crazy and so I got mad on her behalf both because I always want to be on her side and at the idea that you’d take some nobility out of the idea of never bussing but also redefine bussing to suit your purposes.

Um anyway sorry for the dump about that but my suspicion about true is just that he also supported the zenge train in a waffly way without ever explicitly aligning with cray or vice versa which would make sense as a 2p wolf pack tactic. Also both cray and true have made a point of speculating about how the wolves are set up in this game (true speculating on number of wolves and cray speculating about the foxes being bad) which seems like a decent attempt to cover for having that knowledge.

 

[samac]

If I remember right it was a while ago and you were a wolf and she was village and you had bussed and all signs were super obvious that you were a wolf who had bussed but you got away with it because everyone was bought in on the idea that you never bus and then you had some technicality how it wasn’t bussing but w/e you voted for a wolf pack and it drove fluff crazy and so I got mad on her behalf both because I always want to be on her side and at the idea that you’d take some nobility out of the idea of never bussing but also redefine bussing to suit your purposes.

Um anyway sorry for the dump about that but my suspicion about true is just that he also supported the zenge train in a waffly way without ever explicitly aligning with cray or vice versa which would make sense as a 2p wolf pack tactic. Also both cray and true have made a point of speculating about how the wolves are set up in this game (true speculating on number of wolves and cray speculating about the foxes being bad) which seems like a decent attempt to cover for having that knowledge.

HOW DO YOU REMEMBER THESE THINGS

 

[Animal Midwife]

If I remember right it was a while ago and you were a wolf and she was village and you had bussed and all signs were super obvious that you were a wolf who had bussed but you got away with it because everyone was bought in on the idea that you never bus and then you had some technicality how it wasn’t bussing but w/e you voted for a wolf pack and it drove fluff crazy and so I got mad on her behalf both because I always want to be on her side and at the idea that you’d take some nobility out of the idea of never bussing but also redefine bussing to suit your purposes.

That's not what happened at all. I've ever said is I don't deepwolf. It was misinterpreted by others as me never bussing (despite me verbally debunking that to them in prior games). In fact, my argument had nothing to do with voting samac and everything to do with being the only (visible) nightkill.

All that aside, how are you reading fluff this game? Do you think it's reasonable that she contingency yeeted you?

Um anyway sorry for the dump about that but my suspicion about true is just that he also supported the zenge train in a waffly way without ever explicitly aligning with cray or vice versa which would make sense as a 2p wolf pack tactic. Also both cray and true have made a point of speculating about how the wolves are set up in this game (true speculating on number of wolves and cray speculating about the foxes being bad) which seems like a decent attempt to cover for having that knowledge.

Are you thinking two wolves makes more sense than three here?

 

[Truenamer]

HOW DO YOU REMEMBER THESE THINGS

fluff locked down a real catch

 

[zuriburi]

HOW DO YOU REMEMBER THESE THINGS

It was a big deal in the fluffzuri household. I don’t really have a read on fluff and think that anyone yeeting me after zenge flipped village makes a lot of sense. I don’t know if 2 or 3 wolves makes sense for this game. If we’re at the minimum number of players for how the game was designed I guess I would assume 2 wolves?

 

[zuriburi]

fluff locked down a real catch

If only being able to remember random things about a long drawn out forum arguments from months ago was the most important thing in a marriage.

 

[Truenamer]

If only being able to remember random things about a long drawn out forum arguments from months ago was the most important thing in a marriage.

Wait, it's not???

 

[Animal Midwife]

It was a big deal in the fluffzuri household. I don’t really have a read on fluff and think that anyone yeeting me after zenge flipped village makes a lot of sense. I don’t know if 2 or 3 wolves makes sense for this game. If we’re at the minimum number of players for how the game was designed I guess I would assume 2 wolves?

Alright. I was just curious because fluff has been a very vocal supporter of Cray.

 

[zuriburi]

*****************
Day 1: May the Fresh Scent of Flowers Protect You Always Tally

fluff (1) - AM
True ()
Zenge (3) - Zuri, True, Visc
AM (1) - fluff
DubZ (2) - Sporty, WO2
samac ()
Cray ()
WO2 (1) - Cray
zuri (2) - Zenge, samac
Vis (1) - Dubz

leading: @Zenge142
Voting: 11/12
Missing: @genny
Vote closed

****************

i only looked at the beginning when i made my earlier cray post and i'm just looking back at this now.. didn't realize that cray didn't ultimately join the zenge train... doesn't totally invalidate the idea that cray could push a train and never get on it... especially if wo2 is village doesn't hurt to feed lots of trains on villagers... but anyway this would make me think maybe visc might be more likely to be the wolf than cray. but actually thinking it through again, that would mean that the wolf pack nked someone who was the only vote for a wolf which seems too dangerous? so anyway i guess this final vote tally does support a truenamer and cray wolf pack with cray on the wo2 train and true on the zenge train , then true pushing a whole "yeet to protect dubz from nk" act to throw off the scent and ultimately let me and visc take the blame for the zenge train.

 

[supershorty]

Wait, it's not???

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No, the foundation of a marriage is tunneling each other in popcorn mafia and screaming at whomever has the gun to either shoot your significant other, or shoot you so that you can then shoot your significant other.
********************

 

[zuriburi]

It's hitting me how much I just helped the pack and I'm really frustrated. Had really started to convince myself that I have good D1 reads, and that I have a good feel for Zenge.

I really liked talkative D1 Zenge. Friggin *hate* that I just punished him for it.


Aljdksksns

if true is a wolf everything about his post vote close game is really funny to me.

 

[genny]

Have a change of heart from last game?

Spicy!AM

some big 3D chess

Isn’t regular chess 3d? Unless you’re playing online, I suppose, and you could argue it’s 2d then? So big 3d chess would be like Harry Potter wizard chess, yes? This is still WW though

 

[genny]

I would like to hear more from Vis, cray, and woxy. Especially votes from them.

 

[samac]

Is zuri TWTBW or a noob wolf with not a lot of guidance?

 

[Truenamer]

Is zuri TWTBW or a noob wolf with not a lot of guidance?

He's showing pretty solid game understanding...

Either way, for some reason I have the feeling that the wolves aren't doing a ton of tight coordinating or planning.

Now that I know zenge is a villager I'm wondering if he's actually right about it being a noob / lowposter pack :/

 

[genny]

Is zuri TWTBW or a noob wolf with not a lot of guidance?

My vote is for smol rabbit with sharp teefs. Bunnicula?

 

[samac]

He's showing pretty solid game understanding...

Either way, for some reason I have the feeling that the wolves aren't doing a ton of tight coordinating or planning.

Now that I know zenge is a villager I'm wondering if he's actually right about it being a noob / lowposter pack :/

I will not believe the pack is exactly O2 and Zuri

 

[Crayola227]

Her defense of Cray, her village read of fluff, the sudden reversal on zuri when little had changed, and the minimal interactions with me.

I know yesterday I felt a little whiteknight paranoia of any and everyone who gave any kind of village lean on me, but of those folks it pains me to say Vis feels the most wolfy. Fluff feels nooby, if I wasn't giving her a noob pass I would be more sus. Need to review who it was that said, they are fairly sure fluff is just being fluff. Wait, was it Vis? Vis was saying they felt the gif was vill iirc. Some paranoia of SP and genny. I think that covers the main people I had whiteknight concerns, so yeah, Vis looks worst to me. Order is Vis > Fluff > SP > Genny, the last 3 I have neutral to village. I want to lean Vis village but I can't bring myself to.

 

[Crayola227]

the main thing that felt sus about you was talking a big game about how zenge was being unfairly pushed and then moving your vote off of the leading alternate. I havent checked the vote count in each moment but it felt like a way of skillfully having your cake and eating it too. But my instincts about this stuff feel completely shot at this point.

Has a point. Had a weird vibe from samac. Did anyone answer my post about samac wolf meta???

Btw not caught up on like 10 pages. Gonna just start with the night write up, get current, then go back and look at the 10 pages I missed.

 

[potentialsheltervet]

Day 2: Leap Before You Think Tally

zuri (3)-- samac, fluff, True
Vis (1)- AM
Cray (1)- Zuri
5/10

Missing: half
Leading: @zuriburi

Vote closes tomorrow at 9 p.m. CST (~32.5 hours)

 

[Animal Midwife]

Has a point. Had a weird vibe from samac. Did anyone answer my post about samac wolf meta???

Btw not caught up on like 10 pages. Gonna just start with the night write up, get current, then go back and look at the 10 pages I missed.

The only meta I care about is whether someone deepwolfs, powerwolfs, does neither, or does both. Everything else is a game-by-game basis involving context.

 

[Crayola227]

I kinda like em.

God damn that’s assuming some big 3D chess. That would be a good play as a wolf, vote with zenge while also intentionally getting zenge yeeted. I’ll give you that.
What made you think of that as a possibility?

I really haven’t picked up on her BWE (big wolf energy).
Maybe I’m wrong here but she feels inherently different.

Agree and wonder why AM is still stuck on her. I can see how in AM's world where she might expect villagers to act a certain way she's seeing things that concern her, my issue is that the issues she's seeing, while they might not be textbook village behavior I'm not sure they represent wolf fluff in particular.

 

[Crayola227]

Alright think I’m figuring out multiquote …. Went back through and these all feel like cray trying to subtly encourage a zenge push while pocketing me and vis and maintaining the push as my push. Seems like the most wuss material in the early pages knowing that zenge and DubZ were village.


boosting me without fully boosting, making it seem like if they ultimately side with me I’ve won them over

Vis entrance was just to vote for zenge without much else. Again reinforcing the zenge train without hopping on. This post also counterintuitively semi clears vis for me if cray were to flip wolf since it seems like a really clumsy way to boost your pack and I assume cray would be more careful

this Didn’t strike me as weird before because I also got bad vibes from samac’s posts at the time. But all samac was really doing was questioning my flimsy argument for zenge

I hadn’t said what is pocketing at any point and it was one of the few pieces of Lingo I did understand about the game. I guess this could be an honest mistake tho.

This post is another example of boosting the zenge train subtly while reinforcing that it’s my train.
from here I remember things going really meta and my eyes glazing over so I’ll stop here.

You're calling me a wuss?

 

[Crayola227]

Alright think I’m figuring out multiquote …. Went back through and these all feel like cray trying to subtly encourage a zenge push while pocketing me and vis and maintaining the push as my push. Seems like the most wuss material in the early pages knowing that zenge and DubZ were village.


boosting me without fully boosting, making it seem like if they ultimately side with me I’ve won them over

Vis entrance was just to vote for zenge without much else. Again reinforcing the zenge train without hopping on. This post also counterintuitively semi clears vis for me if cray were to flip wolf since it seems like a really clumsy way to boost your pack and I assume cray would be more careful

this Didn’t strike me as weird before because I also got bad vibes from samac’s posts at the time. But all samac was really doing was questioning my flimsy argument for zenge

I hadn’t said what is pocketing at any point and it was one of the few pieces of Lingo I did understand about the game. I guess this could be an honest mistake tho.

This post is another example of boosting the zenge train subtly while reinforcing that it’s my train.
from here I remember things going really meta and my eyes glazing over so I’ll stop here.

Gonna assume a typo.

Your theory makes sense, but I don't think I was subtly pushing Zenge at all.

I don't wolf read you for this, but you're wrong. And since I know I'm village, by your logic I suggest you look at Vis more closely.

 

[Crayola227]

I mean if cray flipped village my top next guess would be vis, I just don’t think the 2 are compatible unless cray’s move to bolster a wolf pack was to say “getting nice vibes from vis” as soon as possible which seems way too hamfisted??

Yeah I don't tend to have those sorts of pack interactions.

But inb4 "wolf cray be cray and unpredictable"

While I am like genny in that when wolfing I live for the wifom, where she wields it like a scalpel I just sort wave it around like a blunt instrument

 

[Crayola227]

If I remember right it was a while ago and you were a wolf and she was village and you had bussed and all signs were super obvious that you were a wolf who had bussed but you got away with it because everyone was bought in on the idea that you never bus and then you had some technicality how it wasn’t bussing but w/e you voted for a wolf pack and it drove fluff crazy and so I got mad on her behalf both because I always want to be on her side and at the idea that you’d take some nobility out of the idea of never bussing but also redefine bussing to suit your purposes.

Um anyway sorry for the dump about that but my suspicion about true is just that he also supported the zenge train in a waffly way without ever explicitly aligning with cray or vice versa which would make sense as a 2p wolf pack tactic. Also both cray and true have made a point of speculating about how the wolves are set up in this game (true speculating on number of wolves and cray speculating about the foxes being bad) which seems like a decent attempt to cover for having that knowledge.

I love you
Eta: uh sorry fluff, like in that way like don't stop playing WW

 

[samac]

Has a point. Had a weird vibe from samac. Did anyone answer my post about samac wolf meta???

Btw not caught up on like 10 pages. Gonna just start with the night write up, get current, then go back and look at the 10 pages I missed.

I was happy to move back to O2 to save zenge, I didn’t jump at the last second and go “whoops zenge died”. I went for my wolfier read to see if anyone would follow.
I would have jumped back onto O2 to save him but after you moved off and dubz moved off that didn’t seem viable. Then you threw your vote down last second.

 

[Animal Midwife]

I know yesterday I felt a little whiteknight paranoia of any and everyone who gave any kind of village lean on me, but of those folks it pains me to say Vis feels the most wolfy. Fluff feels nooby, if I wasn't giving her a noob pass I would be more sus. Need to review who it was that said, they are fairly sure fluff is just being fluff. Wait, was it Vis? Vis was saying they felt the gif was vill iirc. Some paranoia of SP and genny. I think that covers the main people I had whiteknight concerns, so yeah, Vis looks worst to me. Order is Vis > Fluff > SP > Genny, the last 3 I have neutral to village. I want to lean Vis village but I can't bring myself to.

Where did Sporty whiteknight you?

 

[Truenamer]

I was happy to move back to O2 to save zenge, I didn’t jump at the last second and go “whoops zenge died”. I went for my wolfier read to see if anyone would follow.
I would have jumped back onto O2 to save him but after you moved off and dubz moved off that didn’t seem viable. Then you threw your vote down last second.

I agree with this version of events.