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My brother, an onc-ob/gyn, told me that D.O.s have difficulties in getting into special residencies like general surgery, heart surgery, etc.... It is more limited to family practice.

GO OU MED!!!---------------------------------------------------------
interviewing at OU on Feb 9th! CAN'T WAIT!!!!! 👍 Any pointers? =)



als12179 said:
Thanks for the input guys. What prompted me to ask the question was a link on another thread to a page showing the residency choices of this year's graduates at OSU-COM (http://www.healthsciences.okstate.e...raduates-ab.htm). There were a couple of people doing anesthesiology, radiology, and ortho, but 95% were going into family medicine, IM, ob-gyn, and EM. It made me wonder if this was because these people wanted to be primary care physicians, or if it was because they weren't able to get into a specialty residency. I realize that the primary care fields make up most of medicine anyway, but it seems that the percentage of OSU grads going that route is extremely high.
 
als12179 said:
Thanks for the input guys. What prompted me to ask the question was a link on another thread to a page showing the residency choices of this year's graduates at OSU-COM (http://www.healthsciences.okstate.e...raduates-ab.htm). There were a couple of people doing anesthesiology, radiology, and ortho, but 95% were going into family medicine, IM, ob-gyn, and EM. It made me wonder if this was because these people wanted to be primary care physicians, or if it was because they weren't able to get into a specialty residency. I realize that the primary care fields make up most of medicine anyway, but it seems that the percentage of OSU grads going that route is extremely high.

This is because the philosophy of osteopathic medicine is more aimed at preventive and holistic care. In addition, OSU-COM is one of the top schools in the nation for family and rural medicine, and one of their goals is to provide physicians for the underserved populations in Oklahoma. However, there are many graduates who do anything from plastic surgery to interventional cardiology.

My best advice to those considering both schools is to visit both schools, and speak with students. Find out what place is a better "fit." You will be able to do what you want as a graduate of either school, if you apply yourself. Residencies will take anyone who works hard enough to get there, no matter where you come from.
 
lfesiam said:
My brother, an onc-ob/gyn, told me that D.O.s have difficulties in getting into special residencies like general surgery, heart surgery, etc.... It is more limited to family practice.

GO OU MED!!!---------------------------------------------------------
interviewing at OU on Feb 9th! CAN'T WAIT!!!!! 👍 Any pointers? =)

This is only partially true. General surgery residencies are readily available for D.O.'s, since the AOA provides many opportunities for such residencies. While the majority of osteopathic physicians are primary care physicians, this is also true of the allopathic physician population. Keep in mind that D.O.'s are found in ACGME (M.D.) residencies in every field, all over the nation.

It is true, that cardiovascular surgery is a more difficult field to get into, however, there are new AOA fellowships in that area soon.

In Oklahoma, however, D.O.'s can find a residency relatively easily, and many D.O.'s are found on staff at OU medical center, and as members of most of OU's residency programs.

I personally know of an OU anesthesiology resident who is an osteopathic physician. I also am aware of many D.O. emergency medicine physicians who work in OU medical center.
 
For me it was a very personal choice. Like many Oklahoma residents I filled out both the AMCAS and AACOMAS last year. After getting rejected by OU, though, I withdrew my AACOMAS application from OSU and a couple other osteopathic institutions. I didn't want to be faced with the question, "Why are you applying to a DO school?" and having my answer be that I got rejected by the allopathic schools I applied to. To me, to go to an osteopathic institution should be a conscious endorsement and affirmation of the philosophy, not a consolation prize of sorts. I'm not saying I disbelieve in the philosophy of osteopathic medicine or think it doesn't have merits. I... well... I'll have to think about this some more. 😉
 
Good grief!

I nearly lost a limb in that phys test today. You guys make sure to enjoy your freedom while it's still here.
 
ad_sharp said:
Good grief!

I nearly lost a limb in that phys test today. You guys make sure to enjoy your freedom while it's still here.

No joke. 😱

I thought I liked cardiovascular phys, but I got owned.
Hey, if anybody on here wants to buy a desk before school starts, let me know.

I have a computer desk that I bought at the beginning of school that I don't have room for now that my wife and kids are moving in w/ me. It's maple colored, w/ glass and chrome accents.

It's in great condition, I don't have a picture of the actual desk, but here's the link to it on Staples' website.

I'm asking 50.00, you pick up at my apt. in Edmond.
It comes apart in pieces.

http://www.staples.com/Catalog/Brow...sks&bcClassId=140512&bcClassName=Corner+Desks
 
For those of us accepted, what comes next?

I'm kind of assuming that nothing much is going to happen until after May 15th, but I'm curious.

I submitted the FAFSA thing earlier this week, and I'm kind of anxious about what the timeline with it will be.

Do we really have to wait until May to find out more information on financial aid?
 
Amxcvbcv said:
For those of us accepted, what comes next?

I'm kind of assuming that nothing much is going to happen until after May 15th, but I'm curious.

I submitted the FAFSA thing earlier this week, and I'm kind of anxious about what the timeline with it will be.

Do we really have to wait until May to find out more information on financial aid?

yeah, the fin. aid news is killing me. do you know if we have to file a supplemental financial aid form for OU? i seem to remember something about an online form, but i'm not sure.
 
Ok, so I had my interview today. The bottom line is, I have no idea how well I did. The interview it's self was pretty stressfull, not the "conversation" some of you have reported. I felt like I was under attack for the first 30 of the 50 minute interview. In the end I think I won over 2/3 interviewers. There comments began to be more positive as time went on. The third only gave me one compliment (you are a great communicator). She had quite a bit to say about my lack of patient contact (apparently 2 years working at an academic medical center doesent count because I did not touch any of the patients- would be a little weird for an administrator- don't you think!) And said that I was not convincing her why I had to be a physician. I was also asked two questions that are considered no-no's. In fact, the first words spoken in the interview room were "so, you're 31". I was also asked how many children I had and what there ages were.
Have any of you had similar experiences and still been accepted?
 
RachelD said:
She had quite a bit to say about my lack of patient contact (apparently 2 years working at an academic medical center doesent count because I did not touch any of the patients- would be a little weird for an administrator- don't you think!) And said that I was not convincing her why I had to be a physician. I was also asked two questions that are considered no-no's. In fact, the first words spoken in the interview room were "so, you're 31". I was also asked how many children I had and what there ages were.
Have any of you had similar experiences and still been accepted?

Last year I got chewed on for lack of patient contact and they had no qualms about making an issue of my younger age either. So yeah, my first interview experience wasn't too fun seeing as how they were looking for ways to cut people from the pool since everyone there loves biology and loves working with people. I really don't think there is such a thing as a "no-no" there since they pretty much like to cut the bull and get down to business especially if you have any obvious "weakness." Something else to note that I just found out, if any of the panel of three gives you a rejection, then you are automatically out of the pool. As long as you could get 2 of them on your side and maybe get a neutral vote from the 3rd guy, you might have a shot in the larger committee. Good luck at any rate! 👍
 
Napoleon1801 said:
Last year I got chewed on for lack of patient contact and they had no qualms about making an issue of my younger age either. So yeah, my first interview experience wasn't too fun seeing as how they were looking for ways to cut people from the pool since everyone there loves biology and loves working with people. I really don't think there is such a thing as a "no-no" there since they pretty much like to cut the bull and get down to business especially if you have any obvious "weakness." Something else to note that I just found out, if any of the panel of three gives you a rejection, then you are automatically out of the pool. As long as you could get 2 of them on your side and maybe get a neutral vote from the 3rd guy, you might have a shot in the larger committee. Good luck at any rate! 👍


Thanks,
So what did you do to gain patient contact? Is shadowing a Doc enough? One of my interviewers suggested that I become a nurses aid or an EMT. Anyone know what kind of training is involved in these? If and when I get rejected I'm going to go to the "why you were rejected" thing. Will they automatically expect me to retake the MCAT? (27).
Also, a friend of mine (MS3) told me that during his interview they told him that they could only recommend one of the three applicants that they were interviewing. Nothing about the accept/neutral/reject votes. Maybe things have changed in the last couple of years.
 
Amxcvbcv said:
For those of us accepted, what comes next?

I'm kind of assuming that nothing much is going to happen until after May 15th, but I'm curious.

I submitted the FAFSA thing earlier this week, and I'm kind of anxious about what the timeline with it will be.

Do we really have to wait until May to find out more information on financial aid?

So we may have to wait until mid-May to find out our financial aid package! That blows because financial aid is going to play a big role in where alot of people decide including myself. Is May 15th the last day you can hold more than one acceptance? I was really hoping to make my final decision after I received all the financial aid packages from the schools. Can any of the current med students confirm that you recieve the financial aid package in mid may (I know on the OUHSC website it says they start sending out packages on May 1)?

Thanks.
 
RachelD said:
Ok, so I had my interview today. The bottom line is, I have no idea how well I did. The interview it's self was pretty stressfull, not the "conversation" some of you have reported. I felt like I was under attack for the first 30 of the 50 minute interview. In the end I think I won over 2/3 interviewers. There comments began to be more positive as time went on. The third only gave me one compliment (you are a great communicator). She had quite a bit to say about my lack of patient contact (apparently 2 years working at an academic medical center doesent count because I did not touch any of the patients- would be a little weird for an administrator- don't you think!) And said that I was not convincing her why I had to be a physician. I was also asked two questions that are considered no-no's. In fact, the first words spoken in the interview room were "so, you're 31". I was also asked how many children I had and what there ages were.
Have any of you had similar experiences and still been accepted?


I'm sorry to hear that your interview was a bit stressful, I just had an interviewed at OU on Feb. 9th as well. I guess I was lucky that mine felt more like a nice conversation rather than an eat-me-alive session. Overall, I really like the simulation room and hippocrates. However, I think the MOD rooms are a bit worn down... Otherwise, I think OU is a great place to study medicine. The people are very friendly and I get the feeling that they really care about the students and their development in medicine. I'm ranking OU on the top of my list. Now, I'm just keeping my fingers crossed. Sigh...

For those who interviewed on the first 2nd week of Feb (last round of interviews ...I think..), could you please post the date that you get the adcom's final decision, via email or snailmail? I will post when I get mine as well, Thanks! Dr. Hall said we'll hear by March 1st, but was wondering if anyone got the decision sooner.

GOOD LUCK EVERYONE! 🙂

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GO OU MED!!
 
pbehzad said:
So we may have to wait until mid-May to find out our financial aid package! That blows because financial aid is going to play a big role in where alot of people decide including myself. Is May 15th the last day you can hold more than one acceptance? I was really hoping to make my final decision after I received all the financial aid packages from the schools. Can any of the current med students confirm that you recieve the financial aid package in mid may (I know on the OUHSC website it says they start sending out packages on May 1)?

Thanks.

i called the fin aid office and they told me end of march, early april. whether or not that is correct, i have no idea. hey pbehzad, what are your thoughts on the scholarship they gave us. i feel like we're not going to get any grants this year because of that, and i don't like not knowing what to expect next year when we don't have that money anymore.
 
RachelD said:
Thanks,
So what did you do to gain patient contact? Is shadowing a Doc enough? One of my interviewers suggested that I become a nurses aid or an EMT. Anyone know what kind of training is involved in these? If and when I get rejected I'm going to go to the "why you were rejected" thing. Will they automatically expect me to retake the MCAT? (27).
Also, a friend of mine (MS3) told me that during his interview they told him that they could only recommend one of the three applicants that they were interviewing. Nothing about the accept/neutral/reject votes. Maybe things have changed in the last couple of years.

Yeah, the MCAT is standard Rx for any reapplicant to OU and no, shadowing unfortunately isn't enough, as I found out last year. EMT and Nurse's Assistant (16 weeks coures through a community college) would probably be your best bets if you want real hands on experience. I chose to take Basic EMT through OKCCC this fall and I also did a stent last spring with the OKC Indian Clinic as well as continued shadowing time with a doc over the summer. I would really recommend Basic EMT since the only true way you can lay your finger on a patient is with some sort of certification. It's a nice introduction and starts actually utilizing your science classes in deciding a course of treatment for a patient. The rotations with EMSA and the ER are definitely the best aspects of the training where you get to see and interact with some of the cool and nasty stuff.

The class alone is really pretty interesting especially if you have an instructor willing to go deeper into the physiopathology, but in the end its a slam dunk thing for a pre-med who's seen 3 yrs of hellacious undergrad. I considered it as an alternate route if I had to wait an extended amount of years before getting into med school, since there is the possibility of continuing in the program to paramedic training (2 years). The interviewers seemed to like the fact that I did the EMT training and I speculate its probably one of the things that got me in. Depending upon how much time you have, you can also turn EMT into a career option (EMSA has a training program that lasts 6 weeks) and I think Basics pull in $8 an hour.

I don't know an extensive amount about Nurse's Assistant, but I do know you have an opportunity to do quite a bit of stuff like running IV's, urinary catheters, code browns :scared: ....etc. I did know this one guy who completed a course directly through one of the hospitals around here (Integris I think) and he had a job with them doing all sorts of ER work with lots of interaction. I don't know if this particular program is a certification per se, but it does grant you powers beyond that of a Basic EMT.

In order to decide between the two, I would think it depends on how much time you have, nastiness tolerance, and need for a job. Either experience is probably worthwhile and I would think that it definitely gives you a bit of a competitive edge when it comes to admissions. The need for practical experience is one of the main things they stressed at last year's reapplicant seminar and I wouldn't be surprised if it isn't the leading cause of rejection this year as well. I think its really shows how lacking the pre-med advisors are at the undergrad level 😡 but thats another story entirely... +pity+
 
Dr Turninkoff said:
i called the fin aid office and they told me end of march, early april. whether or not that is correct, i have no idea. hey pbehzad, what are your thoughts on the scholarship they gave us. i feel like we're not going to get any grants this year because of that, and i don't like not knowing what to expect next year when we don't have that money anymore.

Dr. Turn,

Thanks for the update, that sounds more reasonable. I think as far as the scholarship is going, I hope it doesnt affect grants. I spoke with the scholarship people while back and they said that the scholarship was only for a year (which sucks, and I realize its gimmick to entice us to come to OU). Is OU known to give grants for med school? I saw on the OUHSC website that you can be eligible for OTAG, but are there other grants that we will be eligible.

Good luck to everyone.
 
Arrrg, I called up at Ratcliffe's today and found out they won't have the booklist until June or July!

Can any of you MS1 folks out there give me the authors and titles for the first year "required" texts? The curiousity is just killing me. 😀 Do they change books out very often?

Also, is there anyone out there willing to part with, sell, or allow copies to be made of these amazing course syllabi we keep hearing about?
 
Napoleon1801 said:
Arrrg, I called up at Ratcliffe's today and found out they won't have the booklist until June or July!

Can any of you MS1 folks out there give me the authors and titles for the first year "required" texts? The curiousity is just killing me. 😀 Do they change books out very often?

Also, is there anyone out there willing to part with, sell, or allow copies to be made of these amazing course syllabi we keep hearing about?

The syllabi change a little from year to year. For the first semester you'll need Kyung Won Chung's anatomy book-no doubt about that one. Get Netter's Atlas of Human Anatomy, 3rd ed. There are four "required" books for Biochem, but the only one I bought (and the one that they referred to almost exclusively) is Lippincott's Illistrated Review for Biochemistry 3rd ed. by Champ, Harvey, and Ferrier. It's a great book. I'll be studying it this summer. The embryo book is by Sadler, but I can't find it right now. It's a good read and comes with a cd with a bunch of animations that are actually worth watching. I never used the book for HB, just the syllabus, so I'm not sure who wrote it-probably a waste of money IMHO. You may want to pick up Mosby's book for PCM. I've been sharing it with a friend of mine. It's not a "must have" for the first year, but you'll need it the second year.

I don't know why you would want a copy of the syllabus at this point. You'll have plenty of time to get to know each other this fall. You wouldn't want mine anyway. You can hardly read it for all of the pen marks, notes, diagrams, and doodles that I scribbled all over the place. If you want to give Ratcliffe's another call, they should have the list from our class. The books don't tend to change too often (they usually only change if the instructor changes or a new edition comes out). At any rate, you shouldn't worry about the coursework until you get here. Don't stress before you have to.
 
Dr Turninkoff said:
i called the fin aid office and they told me end of march, early april. whether or not that is correct, i have no idea. hey pbehzad, what are your thoughts on the scholarship they gave us. i feel like we're not going to get any grants this year because of that, and i don't like not knowing what to expect next year when we don't have that money anymore.

Dr. Turn,

I called up the fin aid office, and the lady said that we would receive financial aid awards around may 1, not end of march/early april. i hope you are correct though. i also asked her if receiving a merit scholarship would affect grants/loans, and she said that they would first take away loans before grants which is nice.

Also, i have a friend at OU med who said that there is some scholarship website which you fill out an application on. has anyone else heard about this or know the website?

thanks
 
ad_sharp said:
I don't know why you would want a copy of the syllabus at this point. You'll have plenty of time to get to know each other this fall. You wouldn't want mine anyway. You can hardly read it for all of the pen marks, notes, diagrams, and doodles that I scribbled all over the place. If you want to give Ratcliffe's another call, they should have the list from our class. The books don't tend to change too often (they usually only change if the instructor changes or a new edition comes out). At any rate, you shouldn't worry about the coursework until you get here. Don't stress before you have to.

I know it seems pretty weird, but I'm only taking a 4000 level immunology class down at OU right now and I'm pretty bored. I got my hands on a graduate level immuno book and I'm nearly halfway through that already. Mainly its just curiosity at this point. I'm pretty much a workaholic and I kinda feel bad and depressed when I don't have much to do. And now since I don't think I have anything planned this summer I think I'll need some reading material to munch on.
 
ad_sharp said:
The syllabi change a little from year to year. For the first semester you'll need Kyung Won Chung's anatomy book-no doubt about that one. Get Netter's Atlas of Human Anatomy, 3rd ed. There are four "required" books for Biochem, but the only one I bought (and the one that they referred to almost exclusively) is Lippincott's Illistrated Review for Biochemistry 3rd ed. by Champ, Harvey, and Ferrier. It's a great book. I'll be studying it this summer. The embryo book is by Sadler, but I can't find it right now. It's a good read and comes with a cd with a bunch of animations that are actually worth watching. I never used the book for HB, just the syllabus, so I'm not sure who wrote it-probably a waste of money IMHO. You may want to pick up Mosby's book for PCM. I've been sharing it with a friend of mine. It's not a "must have" for the first year, but you'll need it the second year.

I don't know why you would want a copy of the syllabus at this point. You'll have plenty of time to get to know each other this fall. You wouldn't want mine anyway. You can hardly read it for all of the pen marks, notes, diagrams, and doodles that I scribbled all over the place. If you want to give Ratcliffe's another call, they should have the list from our class. The books don't tend to change too often (they usually only change if the instructor changes or a new edition comes out). At any rate, you shouldn't worry about the coursework until you get here. Don't stress before you have to.

I second this list.
 
Napoleon1801 said:
I know it seems pretty weird, but I'm only taking a 4000 level immunology class down at OU right now and I'm pretty bored. I got my hands on a graduate level immuno book and I'm nearly halfway through that already. Mainly its just curiosity at this point. I'm pretty much a workaholic and I kinda feel bad and depressed when I don't have much to do. And now since I don't think I have anything planned this summer I think I'll need some reading material to munch on.

You're going to get a ton of people who are going to call you an idiot for wanting to study before med school, but I sympathize. The summer before school, I wanted at least a taste of what it was going to be like. If you want something to do, grab a histology text (I like Junqueeira's "Basic Histology") and read it.
Don't worry about anatomy or biochem, as you'll get all of that you can possibly handle in the first sem., and that way it'll be "new" and exciting, not something you just read. Besides, while you might be able to grasp some anatomy, the med school biochem curriculum is so piecemeal and without logical construct, that you'd never even know what they will want you to learn.

Finally, I urge you all to not start freaking out yet. First semester was hard, I'll grant you that. But, during the first semester, I spent a large majority of time at the HSC. This is necessary for several reasons. First of all, Anatomy lecture is 3 days/week (if I remember right), and there is an "Audience Response System" that you will use that consists of individual remote controls used to answer two questions at the end of each lecture concerning that days content. Secondly, anatomy lab is 3 days/week, however you will only actually dissect every other lab period. You are in groups of 4, and there is two groups per cadaver. On the days you don't dissect, you are expected to still go down to the lab and "teach" the other group what you did in the last lab (30 minutes was scheduled for this, however we usually spent about 5-10 minutes).
The rest of the time, I went to lecture or studied in the mod.

However, this semester, I have done a complete turnaround. Now that there are no more required labs, (neuro is mostly online, and the few that are in the anatomy lab are short and optional), I have started homeschooling. I cover the material in the syllabus, and only go to the HSC when we have a mandatory PBL or PCM session. (On avg. about once every week or so).
It is absolutely incredible the amount of free time I have when compared to last semester. I used to have to plan a few days in advance to go grocery shopping, now instead of getting up at 7am, class until 3p, and studying until 10p, I get up at 9a, study until 2 or 3p, and then have the rest of the day off. Some days, I don't study at all, some I study all day, it just depends on the amount of material to cover.

And, I'm making almost exactly the same grades I did last semester.

It's great. I know what many of you are thinking. (I'm not paying 16,000 bucks a year to homeschool.) Yes, that's what I said too. You'll figure out what works best for you.

If you're the kind of person who has the discipline to make yourself study the material every day, then homeschooling will work great for you, but if you don't think you would, then don't.
 
How much clinical exposure will there be in the first semester, is it something like one afternoon a week? I don't remember there being any mention of how much there exactly is at the interview day.
 
ad_sharp said:
The syllabi change a little from year to year. For the first semester you'll need Kyung Won Chung's anatomy book-no doubt about that one. Get Netter's Atlas of Human Anatomy, 3rd ed. There are four "required" books for Biochem, but the only one I bought (and the one that they referred to almost exclusively) is Lippincott's Illistrated Review for Biochemistry 3rd ed. by Champ, Harvey, and Ferrier. It's a great book. I'll be studying it this summer. The embryo book is by Sadler, but I can't find it right now. It's a good read and comes with a cd with a bunch of animations that are actually worth watching.

I thought I might try looking for these books online now while demand is low.
I was trying to find Chung's anatomy on amazon and it looks like there are a couple of different anatomy books by chung. Would you mind posting the isbn number from the one we need? Also is the embryology book Langman's Medical Embryology with Simbryo CD-ROM, Ninth Edition
by Thomas Sadler? If so there are some on amazon. Thanks
 
ISBN: 068301563X for BRS Chung's anatomy

I'm also an OU boy and did not use anything but notegroups/syllabus for Embryo.

BTW, being a 3rd year resident now (but not at OU), OU's med school rocks and more than prepares you for the future. You'll be surprised your intern year how far ahead of the game you are. This may be tough to remember when you're getting beat in clinicals your 3rd year but it's true. 1st and 2nd year are awesome. 3rd year is tough mentally. 4th year is ... well it's 4th year!!!

True clinical exposure the 1st year is limited (around an afternoon per week) and doesn't even start until later. You really just follow someone around in a specialty you are interested in. Funny thing about that: I didn't really have a true interest so my buddy filled out 3 random specialties for me. I ended up shadowing a cardiothoracic surgeon. He was great, held my hand (figuratively of course), took me to clinic and the O.R., fed me lunch, and was really a great role model. Well, I'm applying for cardiothoracic fellowship this year! I don't know if it had anything to do with that first year but just interesting.

Utilize your time, go to class if it is REALLY worth your time, utilize your time, play a lot, read a lot, play a lot. If I had it to do over, I would still pick OU and I would realize sooner that lecture is mostly optional.
 
dr.evil said:
ISBN: 068301563X for BRS Chung's anatomy

I'm also an OU boy and did not use anything but notegroups/syllabus for Embryo.

BTW, being a 3rd year resident now (but not at OU), OU's med school rocks and more than prepares you for the future. You'll be surprised your intern year how far ahead of the game you are. This may be tough to remember when you're getting beat in clinicals your 3rd year but it's true. 1st and 2nd year are awesome. 3rd year is tough mentally. 4th year is ... well it's 4th year!!!

True clinical exposure the 1st year is limited (around an afternoon per week) and doesn't even start until later. You really just follow someone around in a specialty you are interested in. Funny thing about that: I didn't really have a true interest so my buddy filled out 3 random specialties for me. I ended up shadowing a cardiothoracic surgeon. He was great, held my hand (figuratively of course), took me to clinic and the O.R., fed me lunch, and was really a great role model. Well, I'm applying for cardiothoracic fellowship this year! I don't know if it had anything to do with that first year but just interesting.

Utilize your time, go to class if it is REALLY worth your time, utilize your time, play a lot, read a lot, play a lot. If I had it to do over, I would still pick OU and I would realize sooner that lecture is mostly optional.

Oh, how I envy you.

I'll go along with what OU doc and Dr Evil said here. The first semester sucks because (believe it or not) you don't know how to handle all of the material. I was an avid lecture-goer until I realized that I'm too stupid to learn all of the material in the evenings after an 8 to 5 in class and lab. I was just too tired, and I'm just too slow for it. I was keeping up, but the burnout was killing me. Now I ask myself every morning, "is my time better spent listening to this lecture, or reading the material myself?" Sometimes I go, sometimes I don't-it all depends on which I think that I'll get the most out of. On the other hand, some people don't have a choice-they have to go to lecture or they'll never learn the material. It all depends on how you learn, and it takes a little while to get all of that settled in your mind. For instance, I found a new little friend last semester in the form of a dry erase board. I started doing study groups at the library with a couple of my friends. I would represent all of the material that I could graphically and memorize it by writing it over and over again from memory on the board. With subsequent repetitions of the material, I would add detail and fill in gaps that the syllabus might have been unclear about. By test time, I knew that stuff forwards, backwards, and inside-out, but it took a lot of trial and error to get the system sorted out in my mind. You will find it very frusterating to study for eight hours straight and feel like you didn't do a thing. Many times I went to bed feeling like I knew less than when I started. My best advise is to think about how you work the best and try to find someone to pair up with who will push you to your limit. It shouldn't be an "I'm smarter than you" thing. If you are doing right, both of you should kick some arse on the exam. I study with a friend of mine here who I went to high school and college with. We both learn the material much faster when we study together than when we study seperately. Often times, it really helps to have someone else's insights-that's why your mod-mates and the notegroups come in so handy.

It's a stupid saying, but I find myself thinking-"work smarter, not harder" all the time. It's all about efficiency, and you've got to figure out how to make yourself that way. That is really the only thing that seperates A's, B's, and C's most of the time.

One last bit of advise-go to all the lectures for the first exam block. You will be too new and lacking in knowledge to be able to tell whether or not you can learn the material on your own. Get grounded, get centered, then (in the immortal words of Leon your Biochem course director) kick a$$. 👍
 
als12179 said:
I thought I might try looking for these books online now while demand is low.
I was trying to find Chung's anatomy on amazon and it looks like there are a couple of different anatomy books by chung. Would you mind posting the isbn number from the one we need? Also is the embryology book Langman's Medical Embryology with Simbryo CD-ROM, Ninth Edition
by Thomas Sadler? If so there are some on amazon. Thanks

That's the correct Embryo book.
 
hey guys, just needed some advice. I interviewed last week (feb 9th) and I was thinking of writting a letter of intent to admission at OU (thank you notes already sent). I really like OU and will 100% definitely go there if accepted. Do you guys think I should write a post-interview LOI? :idea: thanks for the input.

by the way, check this out! very funny, got it from another thread.

what kind of medstudent are you?
http://theunderweardrawer.homestead.com/twelvemedstudents.html





a very humble applicant :luck:
_____________________________________
the family guy returns in MAY!!!
 
lfesiam said:
hey guys, just needed some advice. I interviewed last week (feb 9th) and I was thinking of writting a letter of intent to admission at OU (thank you notes already sent). I really like OU and will 100% definitely go there if accepted. Do you guys think I should write a post-interview LOI? :idea: thanks for the input.

by the way, check this out! very funny, got it from another thread.

what kind of medstudent are you?
http://theunderweardrawer.homestead.com/twelvemedstudents.html





a very humble applicant :luck:
_____________________________________
the family guy returns in MAY!!!

for my interview week, they told us that a decision would be made within the week and that thank-you letters would not even reach them by the time they decided. if you are waitlisted, i would definitely write one though. good luck.
 
Dr Turninkoff said:
for my interview week, they told us that a decision would be made within the week and that thank-you letters would not even reach them by the time they decided. if you are waitlisted, i would definitely write one though. good luck.


thanks drturninkoff, when i was there, they will review the feb inteviewees along with the deferred, so the process will be a bit longer (mar. 1st) sigh

keeping my fingers crossed
 
ad_sharp said:
Oh, how I envy you.


One last bit of advise-go to all the lectures for the first exam block. You will be too new and lacking in knowledge to be able to tell whether or not you can learn the material on your own. 👍

Absolutely agree 100%. Should have stressed this in my other post.
Don't start thinking about homeschooling too early. Use the first semester to get to be familiar with your classmates, learn the system, and determine your learning style.
 
What books are you guys using for the 2nd sem and what are the hardest courses right now?
 
lfesiam said:
thanks drturninkoff, when i was there, they will the feb inteviewees along with the deferred, so the process will be a bit longer (mar. 1st) sigh

keeping my fingers crossed

then i would write one ASAP, and if you are waitlisted, send them another one expressing your continued interest etc...
 
Napoleon1801 said:
What books are you guys using for the 2nd sem and what are the hardest courses right now?

I occasionally use Costanzo's "Physiology" or the shorter BRS version. I have both and sometimes use them to clarify concepts if I have the time. Since it's such a good book, and you'll likely want it for the boards, I'd recommend the BRS version.

Let me just say, if you're going to buy a textbook, Physiology is the class to do it for. The reason is, almost all physiology classes are taught, and almost all physiology books are written, the same way, same order, etc. Thus, they correlate well with the class and syllabus.

As far as neuro, there's a book called "Exploring the brain" that some MS2's raved about. I bought it and hate it. It is a big heavy text that I'm never going to have time to read, and it doesn't go along with our syllabus.
There is also a neuro atlas (Haines), however I think it's going to come in handy, especially for all the cross sectional 3D anatomy that is involved in the relatively unintuitive brain, and I would highly recommend it.

As far as histo, the syllabus is very well written and doesn't require a text, however if you're a dedicated book nerd, Junqueira's Basic Histology is well written and an easy read.

It's a tossup between neuro and phys. on difficulty depending on the day.
 
Dr Turninkoff said:
then i would write one ASAP, and if you are waitlisted, send them another one expressing your continued interest etc...


yep sent one today express mail 👍

now back to waiting 😴

so is OU your fist choice drtuninkoff?
 
lfesiam said:
yep sent one today express mail 👍

now back to waiting 😴

so is OU your fist choice drtuninkoff?

for some reasons it is, and for many it's not. geographically, i would prefer to be on the east coast, but the price is right at OU and my family lives in okc, which is nice. i'm just concerned about matching out of state if that's what i decide to do. also, compared with the other school i'm strongly considering (jefferson in philly) the setting at OUHSC just isn't as urban and fast-paced as i would like it to be. i guess i will just have to weigh the costs and benefits and decide if i want to borrow <100k or >200k. anyway, maybe i'll see you around next fall. good luck.
 
Does anyone know anything or thinking about signing
up with physician manpower training....i'm tempted
by the money, but not sure what I want to specialize
in so I would hate to be locked in to such a commitment.
 
Doxie said:
Does anyone know anything or thinking about signing
up with physician manpower training....i'm tempted
by the money, but not sure what I want to specialize
in so I would hate to be locked in to such a commitment.

As far as I understand, you can decide if you want to sign up with them after you're done (and have decided on your specialty). That way you're not tied down to the program or to primary care if you were to change your mind during school (which tons of people do).
 
I was looking at the financial aid info that OU gave us at the interview and was wondering how much I will actually have for living expenses. The first year budget shows a total of 39,518 broken down as follows:
Tuition/Fees.................16,982
Books/Supplies..............4,360
living...........................15,076
computer......................2,500
loan fees......................600

However, from looking at other posts it seems like the books/supplies shouldn't cost near the amount allocated and I already have a nice laptop. I already know from my fafsa that my efc=0. So, assuming I receive the full budgeted amount I wonder how much I will really have left over to live off of? Any current student willing to shed some light on the subject?

Also, when can we expect to receive the financial aid disbursement?
And, finally, how easy is it to find a paying research or clinical position of some kind the summer between ms1 and ms2?
Thanks
 
putzeled said:
I was looking at the financial aid info that OU gave us at the interview and was wondering how much I will actually have for living expenses. The first year budget shows a total of 39,518 broken down as follows:
Tuition/Fees.................16,982
Books/Supplies..............4,360
living...........................15,076
computer......................2,500
loan fees......................600

However, from looking at other posts it seems like the books/supplies shouldn't cost near the amount allocated and I already have a nice laptop. I already know from my fafsa that my efc=0. So, assuming I receive the full budgeted amount I wonder how much I will really have left over to live off of? Any current student willing to shed some light on the subject?

Also, when can we expect to receive the financial aid disbursement?
And, finally, how easy is it to find a paying research or clinical position of some kind the summer between ms1 and ms2?
Thanks

If taking the full amount, you'll have a little more than 10K left over per semester-the budget is outta whack. You'll get it on the Friday or Saturday after school starts. There are several research positions up here. I am in the process of applying to three positions right now.
 
DrMom said:
As far as I understand, you can decide if you want to sign up with them after you're done (and have decided on your specialty). That way you're not tied down to the program or to primary care if you were to change your mind during school (which tons of people do).

I agree. Don't sign up for anything unless you are 100% sure about it. There will be people wanting to own a doc when you graduate if you wish to pledge your service, but don't limit yourself if you might be thinking of doing something else.
 
ad_sharp said:
If taking the full amount, you'll have a little more than 10K left over per semester-the budget is outta whack. You'll get it on the Friday or Saturday after school starts. There are several research positions up here. I am in the process of applying to three positions right now.

hey ad_sharp, are you allow to work part time (as in clinical or molecular research) during the school year at OU? I heard that at some medschool we are not suppose to work during the school year.

a humble applicant
patiently waiting for the post-interview decision ---> March 1st!
 
ad_sharp said:
If taking the full amount, you'll have a little more than 10K left over per semester-the budget is outta whack. You'll get it on the Friday or Saturday after school starts. There are several research positions up here. I am in the process of applying to three positions right now.


Thanks for the info. Sounds like money shouldn't be too tight.
 
lfesiam said:
hey ad_sharp, are you allow to work part time (as in clinical or molecular research) during the school year at OU? I heard that at some medschool we are not suppose to work during the school year.

a humble applicant
patiently waiting for the post-interview decision ---> March 1st!

Unless you are awesome, you won't have time to work. There aren't any rules against it, but I would be a tough undertaking.
 
ad_sharp said:
If taking the full amount, you'll have a little more than 10K left over per semester-the budget is outta whack. You'll get it on the Friday or Saturday after school starts. There are several research positions up here. I am in the process of applying to three positions right now.

ad_sharp, it seems like the tuition is disproportionately going up every year. has this been the trend since you got there? what's the word on the street?
 
Dr Turninkoff said:
ad_sharp, it seems like the tuition is disproportionately going up every year. has this been the trend since you got there? what's the word on the street?

Tuition has gone up at a disproponate rate. I think tuition increases have been the norm over the last few years here as well as most other medical schools and institutions of higher ed nation wide. However, I haven't heard of a planned hike for the next school year (and I haven't been sent a bill for it either). The doc that I've been working with in PCM graduated from OU in 1982 when tuition was something like $1100 a semester-that would be nice. I expect it to go up a little more before I'm outta here. You can bet that it won't be going down. I really haven't had time to look into it, but I speculate that some of the administration of OU have used tuition hikes in an effort to get more money from the state legislature. I graduated from another school in Oklahoma with far less in terms of money and resources than OU that only had marginal tuition increases while at the same time initiating a ton of new construction projects. 9/11 put a little crimple in the economy, but the schools were quick to react. Seems like they should be running a surplus by this point. However, barring any new disasters-I think that there will be no good excuses for hiking the tuition at the rate that has occurred over the last few years.

I just want to restate that schools have done this everywhere. We aren't cheap, but we're not ultra, private school expensive either. I just hope that they leave it alone for the time being.
 
ad_sharp said:
Tuition has gone up at a disproponate rate. I think tuition increases have been the norm over the last few years here as well as most other medical schools and institutions of higher ed nation wide. However, I haven't heard of a planned hike for the next school year (and I haven't been sent a bill for it either). The doc that I've been working with in PCM graduated from OU in 1982 when tuition was something like $1100 a semester-that would be nice. I expect it to go up a little more before I'm outta here. You can bet that it won't be going down. I really haven't had time to look into it, but I speculate that some of the administration of OU have used tuition hikes in an effort to get more money from the state legislature. I graduated from another school in Oklahoma with far less in terms of money and resources than OU that only had marginal tuition increases while at the same time initiating a ton of new construction projects. 9/11 put a little crimple in the economy, but the schools were quick to react. Seems like they should be running a surplus by this point. However, barring any new disasters-I think that there will be no good excuses for hiking the tuition at the rate that has occurred over the last few years.

I just want to restate that schools have done this everywhere. We aren't cheap, but we're not ultra, private school expensive either. I just hope that they leave it alone for the time being.

Is OU really close to $40,000? 🙁 I had figured it would be closer to $25,000. It seems like $15,000 for living expenses is just way too much. I had figured that living would be closer to $5,000-$6,000 a year (thats assuming you are paying rent of around $350/month plus utilities).
I'm just a little concerned now that OU is going to cost alot more than I had anticipated. 😡
 
pbehzad said:
Is OU really close to $40,000? 🙁 I had figured it would be closer to $25,000. It seems like $15,000 for living expenses is just way too much. I had figured that living would be closer to $5,000-$6,000 a year (thats assuming you are paying rent of around $350/month plus utilities).
I'm just a little concerned now that OU is going to cost alot more than I had anticipated. 😡

Tuition is going to run you about $17K/yr. Plan on rent being around $450 for a decent place-more for a two bedroom. The allowable loan amount runs at almost $38K for the year ($8500 sub/the rest unsub). That gives you a little over 20K to live on if you need it. However, a single person with no obligations to dependents can get by on less than that if budgeting properly. I know that it isn't pretty, but it would cost me a lot more to go somewhere else (out of state is REALLY high). Don't let the amount of money make you angry. I get a little irritated by it now and then, but there's not much that you can do about it. I just choose to look at it like a business investment-just like going to a bank and getting money to open up my own gas station or something. In the end, you get to do exactly what you want to do and you'll be better off for doing it. I got out of undergrad where my entire four years only cost me a little over $4K because I had a scholarship. I've got a small scholarship here that offsets some of the costs. Additionally, you can do service agreements and negotiate with your future employers to have them cancel all or some of your debt in exchange for your services-where there's a will, there's a way. In a wierd way, the debt actually provides me a little motivation to do better. I'm committed in a larger way than just saying it. I've got my money (or lack thereof) where my mouth is. Just take my advice and don't stress out about it. It'll all be worth it the first time that you keep somebody from dying in the ER. You'll end up on the positive end-economically, socially, spiritually, and intellectually. Money is just a tool to get to where you're going.
 
Since we're all talking about all of this financial stuff, where are all of you getting your loans from? I would caution you to avoid the MEDLOANS program that the AAMC and Sallie Mae push on you. The terms suck and the origination fees are stupid. Oudoc and I are on the student maximizer loan from Bank of America-no origination fee and payback incentives. Best of all you don't have to go through the evil empire that is called Sallie Mae. I can't stand those people (my wife has undergrad loans with them). They're outsourced all over the place and you can't get anybody to help you when you need it. I almost lost a home loan because they couldn't figure out how to work a fax machine (took two weeks and repeated angry phone calls). Here's a link. Let me know if you have any more questions.
 
ad_sharp said:
Since we're all talking about all of this financial stuff, where are all of you getting your loans from? I would caution you to avoid the MEDLOANS program that the AAMC and Sallie Mae push on you. The terms suck and the origination fees are stupid. Oudoc and I are on the student maximizer loan from Bank of America-no origination fee and payback incentives. Best of all you don't have to go through the evil empire that is called Sallie Mae. I can't stand those people (my wife has undergrad loans with them). They're outsourced all over the place and you can't get anybody to help you when you need it. I almost lost a home loan because they couldn't figure out how to work a fax machine (took two weeks and repeated angry phone calls). Here's a link. Let me know if you have any more questions.


thanks a bunch ad_sharp for all the info 👍
hopefully I'll be able to apply them this fall! =)
 
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