Oklahoma future 2011ers part 01

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glp said:
ya, nontrad and i interviewed on the same day last year. if i remember correctly i heard back first, but he got a fat scholarship with his admissions offer so im pretty sure he won that round.
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Yea, nontrad is a sharp guy...so are exlaw and freeze. Hell everyone is smarter than me around here...must be there hair thing. 😉
 
JohnnyOU said:
Yea, nontrad is a sharp guy...so are exlaw and freeze. Hell everyone is smarter than me around here...must be there hair thing. 😉
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Yeah Johnny, I am still perplexed at how a bald guy made it into med school! You give all of us male patterns/grays hope!🙂
 
nea11 said:
Yeah Johnny, I am still perplexed at how a bald guy made it into med school! You give all of us male patterns/grays hope!🙂
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I'm not bald...I'm "folliclely challenged" ! 😀
 
exlawgrrl said:
Good luck! I know I'm glad to be done.

Thinking of HB, I think this is a pretty classic example of reaction formation if the allegations are true.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/15536263/
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I remember thinking the same thing about Congressman Foley in Florida. 😛

I haven't read about this scandal yet, but it seems to me people are taking advantage of it to demonize Christians as hypocrites.

Folks, any Christian that says they're perfect has it wrong. We're not Christians cause we're perfect or vice versa. We're Christians because we recognize the need for God's grace in order to receive salvation, and it's a continuous struggle.

This probably isn't as coherent as it should be; I'm only operating on 4 hours of sleep right now. 😉 Hopefully I won't regret this when I read it later.
 
Woohoo! I got 10 hours of sleep last night. I have energy to clean, run errands, and go to the bank. The sun was up when I woke up, I'm so happy. I just hope I can carry that happiness after I find out how I did on the anatomy practical.
 
want2beadoc said:
Woohoo! I got 10 hours of sleep last night. I have energy to clean, run errands, and go to the bank. The sun was up when I woke up, I'm so happy. I just hope I can carry that happiness after I find out how I did on the anatomy practical.
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Yeah, I felt so well rested this morning but am too dreading that anatomy practical result. :scared:
 
In case anyone hasn't checked, they emailed the anatomy practical key to us about half an hour ago. Yeah, I did worse than last time.

So, second years, how is the practical part of the class for head and neck? Is it super difficult, meaning I'm screwed, or is it the same or maybe even easier than the pelvic/perineum stuff?
 
glp said:
you should have come to the brewery. good times all around. bebemos mucho. i need to sleep now.
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Hope you've enjoyed your rest. Not feeling social lately.

Besides, you're not supposed to know who I am. There must be tons of OU med students who cover their ungroomed heads in St. Louis Cardinals hats outside of test block week and/or share a home state with Dorothy and Toto. I am starting to drift away from Ozzie as my favorite baseball player of all time and toward Albert Pujols, though. I recently found out that he briefly played for my hometown semi-pro team the Hays Larks.

RachelD--if you still don't know who I am, ask exlaw or Freeze. Also I think you're great (and smokin hot), but these days I've had to also explain that I quasi-flirt with every female I meet lest I have to send out a Bill Clinton-esque apology to groups of people at a time. Don't ask.... (or ask glp)

Also if you see me on other boards sniping people or otherwise causing trouble, I'm just bored and stirring the pot a little. I'm actually a very gentle and kind wizard IRL.

For the record, I also interviewed the same day as glp and Nontrad, but I didn't get all of my scholarship offers until after I started school. I think what happens is that they give student scholar (not me) at admissions time and then dole out leftover funds in April. They try to get something for the majority of the first year class with offers between a thousand and a few thousand, but rumors say that there might be a need-based component. I got some more money after I started classes, but it didn't come out of the same fund as the earlier stuff. From what I can tell, you have to hold a 4.0 or be an outstanding leader (like my girl Ash, also cute, love ya babe) the first year to tap the dean's fund during MS 2.

For 2011er's, the admissions website hasn't been updated since October 24. If there are new people here who don't know about it, here's the link:

http://medicine.ouhsc.edu/admissions/

Thanks for the info, exlaw. Saved me a trip on my lunch break.
 
exlawgrrl said:
In case anyone hasn't checked, they emailed the anatomy practical key to us about half an hour ago. Yeah, I did worse than last time.

So, second years, how is the practical part of the class for head and neck? Is it super difficult, meaning I'm screwed, or is it the same or maybe even easier than the pelvic/perineum stuff?
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The head and neck stuff is difficult, but I liked it much more than the pelvis/perineum. I did the best of all the practicals on the last one.

Trickier to learn but easier to master... Does that make sense?

Anyway... with the the final in anatomy I pulled up from an 86% or so to an A, so there's definitely a possibility. 😉
 
Nothing in the mail today. Hopefully tomorrow.
 
Wizard of Oz said:
Hope you've enjoyed your rest...
and/or share a home state with Dorothy and Toto...
RachelD--if you still don't know who I am, ask exlaw or Freeze...
Also I think you're great (and smokin hot)...
From what I can tell, you have to hold a 4.0 or be an outstanding leader (like my girl Ash, also cute, love ya babe) the first year to tap the dean's fund during MS 2...
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Yep...
Yep...
Should I know?
Yep...
Damn, loans it is...
 
I was the in the first group for the anatomy practical, how do I get my answer sheet back?
 
Benoit said:
Nothing in the mail today. Hopefully tomorrow.
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I called and asked when offers were sent. Envelopes were stuffed yesterday, sent this morning, so we are looking at tomorrow or Monday. It's driving me nuts since I just got an interview offer at a D.O. school and need to decide whether to accept it. I have some time but still...
 
I got in!!! wooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
 
Nothing in Tulsa. 🙁
 
Talpa said:
Nothing in Tulsa. 🙁
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Wiz is right -- the mail will take at least one more day to reach Tulsa than anything in the OKC area. So, don't worry! Also, the speed of your notification has nothing to do with whether you're accepted or rejected since they generally make decisions on interview day. :luck:
 
No problem! I have been stressed for the past two years (probably more) worrying about GPA, MCAT, letters, ECs, etc. Now it's time to just relax and enjoy my senior year. Europe, South America, Australia or Yellowstone for a celebratory trip this summer? what SHALL I do..
 
Benoit said:
No problem! I have been stressed for the past two years (probably more) worrying about GPA, MCAT, letters, ECs, etc. Now it's time to just relax and enjoy my senior year. Europe, South America, Australia or Yellowstone for a celebratory trip this summer? what SHALL I do..
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I'd start studying gross anatomy ... but that's just me 😀
 
exlawgrrl said:
Wiz is right -- the mail will take at least one more day to reach Tulsa than anything in the OKC area. So, don't worry! Also, the speed of your notification has nothing to do with whether you're accepted or rejected since they generally make decisions on interview day. :luck:
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I had Chinese food for lunch, and my fortune cookie said: "Rome wasn't built in a day. Be Patient."

Ahhh, the wisdom of the cookie..... 😀
 
Thanks a lot, now I have to go eat chinese food. 🙂
 
The cookie was right. Patience pays off. I'm in.😀
 
Congrats! Signature edit time! 😀
 
yay. red envelope for 2011. Except that I'm scratching it and getting a masters in fine arts instead. Auctioning my seat to the highest bidder...
 
thisisoriginal said:
yay. red envelope for 2011. Except that I'm scratching it and getting a masters in fine arts instead. Auctioning my seat to the highest bidder...
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The only red envelope you got was from Target. :laugh:
 
The envelope could have been from Target, but I doubt the letter from Dr. Hall was.

Just wanted to poke around on SDN to see who I would have been going to school with. Best wishes to the, 11'ers--we both have hard roads ahead, for different reasons.
 
thisisoriginal said:
yay. red envelope for 2011. Except that I'm scratching it and getting a masters in fine arts instead. Auctioning my seat to the highest bidder...
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I don't know if you're kidding or not, but if you're serious, I wish you good luck!

It takes big balls to stand on the cusp of medical school and choose a different path!
 
Congrats to the new recruits! I'd say see ya around campus, but who am I kidding... the class of 2009 will be seeing nothing but patients and hospital food next year... Fortunately you'll have the 2010ers to take care of you 🙂
 
Got an interview offer!!! On the 30th....of NOVEMBER! They sure don't give much notice, huh! Not...enough...time!!! Not complaining, though. Anyone else on here interviewing soon?
 
Wizard of Oz said:
Don't know why that one was a bonus. Wasn't it just 24? Three NADH in CAC plus one from PDH times two 'cause glucose is split in half times 3 ATP per NADH. Even if you only knew part of that, it had to be a multiple of 3 and significantly less than 36. It seemed pretty rudimentary unless I misread the question.
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I reviewed the exam on Thursday. Apparently the person who made the answer key has his head up his arse because the correct answer by key was 28 (c) instead of the correct answer 24 (a). The glycerol phosphate shuttle converts NADH to FADH2, and the question said NADH only. The NADH's from glycolysis never make it to the mitochondrian and can't be used to synthesize ATP. We should be getting consideration for a or c on that one.

I challenged two other questions--mainly any q that asks for the "most likely" fate or cause of something is a bad q because it asks us to ignore plausible mitigating factors not spelled out in the question.

We were already given a q or 2 back on gross before the grades were posted, and I think I only suggested 2 q's on HB.

Looks like Rada does embryo review the right way by regrading with more than one possible answer on tricky q's. With biochem and gross, the whole class gets points back so the high is a 102 instead of 100. Well that's the solution that will temporarily please the most people, but it doesn't change anybody's class percentile which is the only AOA-contributing factor at OU.

Definitely no longer a fan of primitive A-B-C grades at this level. Mr. Burns says the reason we use it is to foster competition, but under this algorithm, a person can have an 89 in gross and a 97 in biochem and look like a worse student than a student with 2 90's. Competition would be more like saying only a certain percentage of students honor.
 
Wizard of Oz said:
Definitely no longer a fan of primitive A-B-C grades at this level.
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I'm not either, but prolly for an entirely different reason!

<--------scared ****less he's non-lifestyle specialty bound, on account of the sure to be uphill battle out of the back of the biochem/HB/embryo pack...I'll be doing DRE's in Iceland, thinking "I shouldn't have spent so much time on SDN..."

Gross is my bitch lover!! Sort of.

Mr. Burns,,,,HAHAHA funny2me

I don't even know if they have dr.'s in Iceland. But I'm positive that's where they send #167. I'm gonna go make flashcards now.
 
I'm not a fan of the grading system for that reason you stated above. Having never taken undergrad biochem (repeated class conflicts), I have to devote an inordinate amount of study time to the basics (and deciphering "syllabus-speak"). In anatomy I'm doing well, but biochem I've got a mid-B, which means unless I get high 90s on the next two tests I'm out of A range. Last time I could have done much better on anatomy if I didn't feel I "had" to study for biochem so much.

Anyway, boards are really the deciding factor. AOA only matters for the ultra-competitive specialities (derm, plastics, etc). I'm not going to stress out over a class that I had zero experience in before med school when 80% of the people in school have had some biochem experience.

I agree with your NADH analysis, I think that both of those answers should be considered right and I argued with myself over and over on that question. I think I put 28, because it specifically mentioned the pathway. The semantics were unclear.
 
Wizard of Oz said:
any q that asks for the "most likely" fate or cause of something is a bad q because it asks us to ignore plausible mitigating factors not spelled out in the question.
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Better get used to those - seems like that's what about 75% of our exam questions have been so far
 
Congrats Nea11 and good luck! Make sure to prepare well!
 
want2beadoc said:
I'm not a fan of the grading system for that reason you stated above. Having never taken undergrad biochem (repeated class conflicts), I have to devote an inordinate amount of study time to the basics (and deciphering "syllabus-speak"). In anatomy I'm doing well, but biochem I've got a mid-B, which means unless I get high 90s on the next two tests I'm out of A range. Last time I could have done much better on anatomy if I didn't feel I "had" to study for biochem so much.
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Having had an OU or OSU undergrad class or two in biochem does not confer that much of an advantage, especially with the way that they attempt to organize the class. You don't actually have to understand most of the biochem to do well. I think that what makes it tougher to study is the widely disparate teaching styles and syllabus supplementation of the teaching carousel. Anatomy only takes a few weeks to realize how to get an A because it's the same prof, the same text, the same quality of dissection videos, the same pace, etc. the whole semester.

want2beadoc said:
Anyway, boards are really the deciding factor. AOA only matters for the ultra-competitive specialities (derm, plastics, etc). I'm not going to stress out over a class that I had zero experience in before med school when 80% of the people in school have had some biochem experience.
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Agree somewhat, but AOA will give you more options in general. Say you want to do rads or become a gas passer (competative but not tops just yet). Sure you can match without AOA, but if you don't want to stay in-state, AOA (or lack thereof) will factor in especially with trends moving away from primary care.

The wonderful(?) thing about med school is that what you did before you got there carries little weight. A nurse, med tech, biochem student, microbiologist, PA, etc. may have to study some stuff less, but nine times out of ten, your top students are simply the best memorizers. I'm in deep doo-doo if residency programs hold me to a higher standard for my premedical background.

Antigunner said:
Better get used to those - seems like that's what about 75% of our exam questions have been so far
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When asked by a clinical professor, it is an excellent choice of question type since it will probably mirror USMLE Q's and relate to construction of a typical differential. When asked by a basic science professor who is thinking about a particular answer without giving enough info, it is not a useful examination tool.
 
I'm going to be a dissenter, but I think that biochem bonus question was fair. Since the question specifically tells us to assume that the glycerol-phosphate shuttle was used, I think that gives us good reason to assume that we are supposed to consider the two NADH from glycolysis even though they are converted to FADH. I actually like the multiple choice style tests because it gives liberal arts people like me an advantage. 🙂

I do agree that the multiple professors/syllabi for biochem really detracts from my enjoyment of the class. Also, I think it interferes with my ability to see the big biochem picture. The fact that about 1/3 of the professors have been really bad doesn't help things either. The clinical correlation questions from the physicians are also generally unfair and impossible to prepare for. Speaking of which, I need to go dispute a few of those.

The good news is that our exam review guy appears to be doing some work. We got 2 points back for anatomy, and I got an extra point for the embryo changes.
 
exlawgrrl said:
I'm going to be a dissenter, but I think that biochem bonus question was fair. Since the question specifically tells us to assume that the glycerol-phosphate shuttle was used, I think that gives us good reason to assume that we are supposed to consider the two NADH from glycolysis even though they are converted to FADH. I actually like the multiple choice style tests because it gives liberal arts people like me an advantage. 🙂
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Indeed the bonus question highlights my point about memorization vs. understanding. The memorizer will key in on the shunt and slash the two NADH's to 4 ATP instead of 6 ATP because it was represented that way in the syllabus table (easy to memorize). The understander will note that mentioning the shunt is precisely why the NADH's disappear and lead to 0 ATP's. Yes I am excessively vigilant about a 2-week-old question with a mini on the horizon. I don't honestly care about the point or the grade since this issue has nothing whatsoever to do with practicing medicine. I'm all about the principle. I was equally annoyed about bad questions in which my answer agreed with the key.
 
Wizard of Oz said:
Indeed the bonus question highlights my point about memorization vs. understanding. The memorizer will key in on the shunt and slash the two NADH's to 4 ATP instead of 6 ATP because it was represented that way in the syllabus table (easy to memorize). The understander will note that mentioning the shunt is precisely why the NADH's disappear and lead to 0 ATP's. Yes I am excessively vigilant about a 2-week-old question with a mini on the horizon. I don't honestly care about the point or the grade since this issue has nothing whatsoever to do with practicing medicine. I'm all about the principle. I was equally annoyed about bad questions in which my answer agreed with the key.
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I still disagree and don't think this is a matter of understanding versus memorization. Those 4 ATP do indeed come from NADH in glycolysis. The fact that they are later converted to FADH doesn't mean that they don't initially come from NADH. We're seeing it differently, but I don't think your answer shows superior understanding. If anything, both answers are valid. It's not like those of us who answered correctly according to the key just memorized the concept with no understanding. That's actually sort of an insulting thing to say.
 
exlawgrrl said:
I still disagree and don't think this is a matter of understanding versus memorization. Those 4 ATP do indeed come from NADH in glycolysis. The fact that they are later converted to FADH doesn't mean that they don't initially come from NADH. We're seeing it differently, but I don't think your answer shows superior understanding. If anything, both answers are valid. It's not like those of us who answered correctly according to the key just memorized the concept with no understanding. That's actually sort of an insulting thing to say.
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I didn't memorize or understand, but I wouldn't recommend this method. I went with the tried and true cross out the ones that weren't divisble by 3 (because of the shuttle used...) then pick the one that seemed about right. Oh well...
 
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