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[Tongxican57]

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Hi everyone. Just looking for some feedback here on my current stats. I am at an Ivy League dental school I have a 66 EPC and decent ECs. I am willing to go anywhere but I prefer someplace with cheap cost of living (Midwest/south). I am leaning 6 yr but I would be happy in a solid 4 yr as well. I would love to hear some advice on if I can get in and where are good places to apply. I am planning on applying broadly to about 40 programs to be safe. Thank you all!

 

[OSrez]

Hi everyone. Just looking for some feedback here on my current stats. I am at an Ivy League dental school I have a 66 EPC and decent ECs. I am willing to go anywhere but I prefer someplace with cheap cost of living (Midwest/south). I am leaning 6 yr but I would be happy in a solid 4 yr as well. I would love to hear some advice on if I can get in and where are good places to apply. I am planning on applying broadly to about 40 programs to be safe. Thank you all!

Not as familiar with the new system but I’m guessing the 66 EPC translates to 70 or above in the old system which will get you past that benchmark for most 6yr programs. Try doing some externships at places you may be interested in which can often increase your chances of getting invited for an interview there.

Strong southern/midwest programs:

-Cincinnati (4 year)
-VCU (4 year)
-Gainesville (4 and 6)
-LSU Nola (6 year)
-Baylor (6 year)
-University of Kentucky (6 year)
-UT Houston (6 year)
-Parkland (6 year)
-Oklahoma (4 year)
-Iowa (4 year)
-Mayo (6 year)
-Nebraska (6 year)
-Alabama (6 year)

 

[The Kube of Kubes]

Anyone know the specific CBSE cutoffs for the all 4 year programs listed above? I know its a general rule that somewhere in the 60s in the minimum, but was wondering if anyone has spoken with residents/externed at any of those places and know their specific cutoffs.

 

[Life of Pablo]

Anyone know the specific CBSE cutoffs for the all 4 year programs listed above? I know its a general rule that somewhere in the 60s in the minimum, but was wondering if anyone has spoken with residents/externed at any of those places and know their specific cutoffs.

There are no cut offs for 4 year programs. There are 4 year residents out there with 40s on the CBSE. That's why 4 year programs are generally considered less competitive even though they get more applicants.

 

[somefuturedoc]

There are no cut offs for 4 year programs. There are 4 year residents out there with 40s on the CBSE. That's why 4 year programs are generally considered less competitive even though they get more applicants.

Careful with broad brushes. My 4 year program has a firm cutoff. Maybe some don’t. I also know of two 6 year programs who took applicants with abysmal CBSEs this cycle

 

[Pralk Nekorf]

There are no cut offs for 4 year programs. There are 4 year residents out there with 40s on the CBSE. That's why 4 year programs are generally considered less competitive even though they get more applicants.

This is not true, some 4 years have cut offs

 

[OrphanageCaretaker]

Anyone know the specific CBSE cutoffs for the all 4 year programs listed above? I know its a general rule that somewhere in the 60s in the minimum, but was wondering if anyone has spoken with residents/externed at any of those places and know their specific cutoffs.

I’d check each programs omfs page for applicants some actually state what their minimum cbse/gpa etc are

 

[Life of Pablo]

For 4 year programs, there is no medical school component so in theory they can take whoever they want regardless of CBSE score, and exceptions can be made even if there is a cutoff. The same can’t be said about 6 year programs - if your CBSE is too low then you likely won’t pass Step 1 and they can’t take you.

 

[pleaseomfs]

Careful with broad brushes. My 4 year program has a firm cutoff. Maybe some don’t. I also know of two 6 year programs who took applicants with abysmal CBSEs this cycle

Just dm’d you

 

[Allsmiles!]

Careful with broad brushes. My 4 year program has a firm cutoff. Maybe some don’t. I also know of two 6 year programs who took applicants with abysmal CBSEs this cycle

But, there are no restrictions…only if they are placed on themselves which becomes reversible depending on the applicant. Also, the two programs that you mentioned that took “abysmal” CBSEs run the risk of two things: one, a resident who can’t pass step 1 is kicked out of the program and the program is now down a resident; and second, pissing off the medical school since it hurts their pass/fail rate (this is very important to MD schools). These abysmal scores were approved by the medical school? Do you know what were the scores? I think the main point here is that 4 years that want to select an applicant with a low CBSE score does not run the risk of ramifications similar to a 6 year.

 

[DentistRays]

But, there are no restrictions…only if they are placed on themselves which becomes reversible depending on the applicant. Also, the two programs that you mentioned that took “abysmal” CBSEs run the risk of two things: one, a resident who can’t pass step 1 is kicked out of the program and the program is now down a resident; and second, pissing off the medical school since it hurts their pass/fail rate (this is very important to MD schools). These abysmal scores were approved by the medical school? Do you know what were the scores? I think the main point here is that 4 years that want to select an applicant with a low CBSE score does not run the risk of ramifications similar to a 6 year.

I have a feeling the “abysmal” scores we’re talking about are probably like… a 65 😂 which is still a passing score and not exactly disastrous.


I do think it’s very program-dependent though. Some 4-years clearly have firm cutoffs, others don’t, and even when they say they do, I personally know multiple residents who were accepted despite not technically meeting those numbers. So it’s not always black and white.

At the end of the day, a strong externship, good fit with the team, solid letters, and overall application can absolutely move the needle. The CBSE matters, but it’s not the only thing programs are looking at.
The 6-year situation is just a different equation because of the medical school/Step 1 piece , the risk profile isn’t the same.

 

[Localnative]

Hi everyone. Just looking for some feedback here on my current stats. I am at an Ivy League dental school I have a 66 EPC and decent ECs. I am willing to go anywhere but I prefer someplace with cheap cost of living (Midwest/south). I am leaning 6 yr but I would be happy in a solid 4 yr as well. I would love to hear some advice on if I can get in and where are good places to apply. I am planning on applying broadly to about 40 programs to be safe. Thank you all!

16 yr practicing OS who did OS Program at UMich here. Been awhile since I’ve been on these forums but I know some guys in the academic community although I’m in private practice.

Go with a solid 4 yr program as you’ll traditionally get more months on the OS service during your training. Some good programs- Oklahoma, Iowa, Ohio State, Navy programs. Something I didn’t do- focus a lot on those OMSITES. Doing well will help you tremendously if you plan on taking your boards after residency.

Can’t give too much advice on my training program as I’ve been several years removed. The face of the program has changed a ton from what I hear.

You don’t need the MD even if you plan on doing a fellowship. Most of the best OSs I have regular contact with are single degree, and have found great success in both academia and outside that setting. Feel free to reach out to me if you have any other questions.

By the way, anyone know what a DM is? It shows my age for sure. Not sure I can post my email on here or not for those of you who have some questions. Forgot what this websites policy is.

One other thing. Long ago we were a very collegial profession, helping each other get through , share study material and practice experiences. Hopefully that hasn’t changed!

Go Team.

 

[AceofSpades10]

16 yr practicing OS who did OS Program at UMich here. Been awhile since I’ve been on these forums but I know some guys in the academic community although I’m in private practice.

Go with a solid 4 yr program as you’ll traditionally get more months on the OS service during your training. Some good programs- Oklahoma, Iowa, Ohio State, Navy programs. Something I didn’t do- focus a lot on those OMSITES. Doing well will help you tremendously if you plan on taking your boards after residency.

Can’t give too much advice on my training program as I’ve been several years removed. The face of the program has changed a ton from what I hear.

You don’t need the MD even if you plan on doing a fellowship. Most of the best OSs I have regular contact with are single degree, and have found great success in both academia and outside that setting. Feel free to reach out to me if you have any other questions.

By the way, anyone know what a DM is? It shows my age for sure. Not sure I can post my email on here or not for those of you who have some questions. Forgot what this websites policy is.

One other thing. Long ago we were a very collegial profession, helping each other get through , share study material and practice experiences. Hopefully that hasn’t changed!

Go Team.

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