OMS in the UK ?

[arye]

Hello ,

how does one become an oral and maxillofacial surgeon in the Uk ?
what are the career pathways? first dental school ? first medical school ?
is there a combinded dental degree-oms programm ?

thanks

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[Dr.Millisevert]

Hello ,

how does one become an oral and maxillofacial surgeon in the Uk ?
what are the career pathways? first dental school ? first medical school ?
is there a combinded dental degree-oms programm ?

thanks

You must complete both a medical and a dental degree (in any order), Then complete your internship to register your medical degree. You must then complete the OMS surgical training program. After which you will be eligible to sit the FRCS (OMFS) exam.

The British FRCS (OMFS) is equivalent to US Board Certification (ABOMS), Canadian FRCD(C)(OMS), and Australia/New Zealand FRACDS (OMS).

http://www.baoms.org.uk/

http://www.asit.org/specialities/maxillo/index.php

http://www.intercollegiate.org.uk/html/specialties_nf.html

http://www.elogbook.org/


Hope that helps👍

 

[arye]

does it mean that you can work in the US with a UK- degree in OMS ? U would not need to redo ur oms-residency ?

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

does it mean that you can work in the US with a UK- degree in OMS ? U would not need to redo ur oms-residency ?

If you completed your medical and dental degree and OMS training in the Uk, if you wanted to work in the US you would need to sit USMLE and get ECMFG certification, sit US dental board exams, and then you would need to probably do 1-2 years of fellowship training in order to obtain a license.

You might want to contact some people who have done this already and ask them what they did. 👍

Examples:

Anthony Pogrel

Robert Ord


Also, I've heard if you are in a dual degree program in the US and if a couple of your attendings currently hold registration as an OMFS in the UK, after you complete your US Board Certification, that they can "sponsor" you to sit for the FRCS (OMFS) exam and you too can become registered in the UK. 🙂

If you have any questions, try contacting the intercollegiate specialty board in the UK.

 

[arye]

wow ! even with an UK OMS residency u could work in the US ....
do u think they would accept u for an US oms residency with an UK dental degree ? would canada ?

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

wow ! even with an UK OMS residency u could work in the US ....
do u think they would accept u for an US oms residency with an UK dental degree ? would canada ?

If you don't mind me asking.. where are you from? Are you currently enrolled in dental school? What are your goals? Where do you want to work?

Even if you completed a UK OMS program, you would still need to do a year or two in the US in order to establish a license. ... and the UK OMS program is on average a few years longer than the US program (for one reason because it is a requirement to be dually qualified). This plus 1-2 more years of fellowship in the states is a very long pathway. If your goal is to work in the states, it would be a better idea to just complete a US OMS program in the first place.

If your goal is to be dual licensed in both countries... Then as I stated already, you can also do this the other way. Finish a US MD/OMS program, do a fellowship in the UK and get your attendings/consultants to "sponsor" you to sit the FRCS (OMFS) exam.

 

[arye]

i see....
i have an md ( german university ) , ecfmg certified , a master of science in craniofacial pathologies ( french ) and i am about to enter a dental program in the UK . well , i would love to go for resdency in OMS in the US but me beeing a MD this wont be able cause its an only dental residency .
either i go for a md surgery speicality or i try to persue my dream of doing oms ......

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

i see....
i have an md ( german university ) , ecfmg certified , a master of science in craniofacial pathologies ( french ) and i am about to enter a dental program in the UK . well , i would love to go for resdency in OMS in the US but me beeing a MD this wont be able cause its an only dental residency .
either i go for a md surgery speicality or i try to persue my dream of doing oms ......

Where would you like to settle and ultimately practice for the majority of your time/future? You are right in thinking that no US/Canadian OMS programs will accept you with an MD (foreign) degree and no dental degree. (sorry)

Since your MD is from an EU country and since the UK already has excellent OMS programs. If I were you, honestly I would complete my OMS training in the UK and along the way complete a couple of years of fellowship training in a US program (head and neck/microvascular, craniofacial trauma, etc). This way you may have the option of obtaining a US license later on and have a few years of "American experience" if that is what you're after. Also, if you complete your OMS training in the UK any dental school in the US or Canada would jump to have you as a faculty member as well! We definitely need more academics! (something to think about).

Good luck with dental school!! Again, this is just what I would do if I were in your shoes. You will find your OMS training from the UK will be highly regarded in the US if you decide to apply for an American fellowship program later, but at the moment I think you would find it very difficult to near impossible to get into a US/Canadian program. As I said before, after you finish dental school and a couple of years as a Maxfacs registrar in the UK, I would then email someone like Prof. Ord and ask him for advice about applying to the states afterwards. 👍 Again, good luck. 🙂

 

[arye]

thanks for the advice! my wife is from the USA and she wants to move back . so i would need a way to do my residency in the US. what i might do is like going for general surgery and then try to get into plastics and do later on craniofacial surgery. ok i wouldnt need a dental degree for this . but its pretty close to OMS.

 

[Dr.Millisevert]

thanks for the advice! my wife is from the USA and she wants to move back . so i would need a way to do my residency in the US. what i might do is like going for general surgery and then try to get into plastics and do later on craniofacial surgery. ok i wouldnt need a dental degree for this . but its pretty close to OMS.

I would stick with OMS if that is your passion. 🙂

if you completed your dental degree at UOP in California (3years) and then did OMS (4years) and then did a fellowship in Craniofacial Surgery (1year). (Total 8 years)

Really is about the same length of time as completing general surgery (5years), Plastic(2-3years), Craniofacial Surgery(1year). (Total 8-9 years)

Plus.. to be honest, I think doing (OMS + Craniofacial) is better than (plastics + Craniofacial) because you will do Way more head and neck cases (especially Lefort I,II,III advancements and Craniofacial Trauma and recon cases) which is more relevant to craniofacial surgery which would make you more competent in this area. General surgery is more abdo and thoracic, and during the very short 2-3 years of plastics you'll be spending more of your time doing burns, boobs, and hands, etc (ie. much smaller case load of Cranio cases).

So if your passion is OMS and you want to do Craniofacial.. I would stick with OMS. Good luck! Don't give up! 👍