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Oms-iv q&a

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What exactly is a traditional rotating internship? Who 'must' do them? Do you get paid the same salary as you would during residency?

No residents or 4th years have come by so here is my take. Yes you do get paid "the same" as other interns, pay can be different depending on the institution though. A TRI is something that is a requirement for certain specialties that you enter as a pgy2, or second year resident i.e. radiology, anesthesia, pm&r ,neurology etc.. Some of these programs link their internship with the program itself so you just apply to the program and do your entire residency including internship.
To answer the guy below you, I'm not sure how a TRI would make an applicant "more" competitive, you typically apply for both the residency and internship your 4th year of school. Though some of these TRIs can be super competitive, depending on how cushy the program is.

My two cents
 
I know this is a pre-DO forum..but there are a lot of MS-IV's and residents looking at this so I've got some q's:

I'm gonna schedule my surgery auditions soon. My question probably applies to most specialties tho. How late into the season do auditions typically last? I was planning on scheduling rotations through November at the latest but I know the match isn't till later. Is it a good idea to schedule 'easier'/lower stress rotations during interviewing months?

Also - for letters of rec.. can you constantly submit letters throughout the application season up until interviews? I can't help but observe that I will only have had a couple of surgery rotations by the time ERAS opens hence a relative lack of opportunities to glean letters. Just curious.

Thx in advance
 
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What exactly is a traditional rotating internship? Who 'must' do them? Do you get paid the same salary as you would during residency?

1) TRI used to be a requirement for ALL DO residencies. Over the past 5-10 years AOA has merged the TRI with MOST residencies (e.g. IM, EM, Surgery, etc).

2) Some states (PA, OK, FL, MI) require TRI or AOA residency for DOs to get licensed. ALTHOUGH you CAN get a waiver from this requirement.

3) Some advance residencies (e.g. PM&R, Radiology, Gas) require 1 year of training (PGY1) prior to entering the actual residency as PGY2. Currently TRI, can be used to satisfy this requirement. Although if the proposed ACGME changes go through, TRI will not count anymore for ACGME residencies. BUT you would still need it for AOA residencies in the mentioned specialties.

4) Some people are still undecided during OMS-IV year and use TRI to make up their minds.

5) Some people don't match and use TRI as a gainful employment opportunity.

6) Some people are not interested in residency and use TRI to be eligible to get licensed as SOME states only require 1 year of post graduate training for licensure and then they enter practice as GPs or do research/administration/etc or join Occupy (your favorite city).

7) The salary is the same as any other PGY1 for that institution.

also continuing in this question, I have heard it can make you more competitive if you do a TRI and then go into your specialty of choice...just wanted to know if thats true

Assuming you are asking if one does TRI and THEN applies for residencies (i.e. applying while being a PGY1):

Then, Yes! However, if you go to non-advance ACGME residencies (i.e. residencies that don't require separate PGY1 such as IM) you have to start again as PGY1.

It is very simple, you enter their program with more clinical experience that is more substantial than any graduating (O)MS-IV. They will also have a LOR from your PD about your abilities as an intern.

Now, how helpful it could be and whether it's worth an extra year is debatable. I don't think you would go from matching into a community program to matching into Hopkins because you've done a TRI but it will definitely help you.

I know this is a pre-DO forum..but there are a lot of MS-IV's and residents looking at this so I've got some q's:

I'm gonna schedule my surgery auditions soon. My question probably applies to most specialties tho. How late into the season do auditions typically last? I was planning on scheduling rotations through November at the latest but I know the match isn't till later. Is it a good idea to schedule 'easier'/lower stress rotations during interviewing months?

Also - for letters of rec.. can you constantly submit letters throughout the application season up until interviews? I can't help but observe that I will only have had a couple of surgery rotations by the time ERAS opens hence a relative lack of opportunities to glean letters. Just curious.

Thx in advance

Depends on which match you are interested in. If AOA then through November is fine; If ACGME then through December.

You should definitely NOT do sub-Is/audition rotations during interview months as you will be missing a lot (hopefully) and that will not be a good thing during such rotations.

You can upload LORs (through your school) until ERAS closes in May (i.e. even after the match). Obviously, it is pointless to do that, but you are able to do so! You ideally want at least 2 letters by the time of submitting your application and all or at least 3/4 letters in by mid-October, especially if you are applying AOA.
 
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Depends on which match you are interested in. If AOA then through November is fine; If ACGME then through December.

You should definitely NOT do sub-Is/audition rotations during interview months as you will be missing a lot (hopefully) and that will not be a good thing during such rotations.

You can upload LORs (through your school) until ERAS closes in May (i.e. even after the match). Obviously, it is pointless to do that, but you are able to do so! You ideally want at least 2 letters by the time of submitting your application and all or at least 3/4 letters in by mid-October, especially if you are applying AOA.

Thanks a bunch, that is really helpful. I'm looking at AOA primarily, but might dabble in ACGME. I'll do my required family med in December so I can interview and have a decent Xmas👍