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Overthrow a tyrannical government? Sounds like the fever dream of a gun nut. Half the country thinks we are under a tyrannical government now...yet no guns being used to save us. The government isnt afraid of your guns....and the fact that you think they are shows how unprepared you would be to overthrow it

As usual (we've had this discussion before) you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how widespread individual firearm ownership counters tyranny. It's not about overthrowing the government or engaging in fire & maneuver with the Marines.

[checks watch] hey I think it's time for you to trot out the "what will you do when the Apache helicopters come" phase of your argument ...

 

[DocMcCoy]

Fire extinguishers don't kill people. So, bad example. In fact, guns appear to be the only thing used for "protection" that actually kill more people than they protect

Well fire extinguishers have been used in cases of homicide, but you are right fire extinguishers and guns don’t kill people, people kill people. And the question as to killing more than they protect is far from definitely answered.

Having a gun in your home INCREASES you risk of
Suicide
Dying by homicide
Killing a spouse
Being killed by a spouse
Accidental killing

Does it actually INCREASE the risk of suicide attempts? Or domestic violence for what matter?

Yup, its the law abiding citizens fault because they dont store their guns safely..and they refuse to pass common sense safety measures to prevent guns from getting in the hands of people who shouldn't own them

Blame anyone and everyone but the criminal. In fact the gun owners are the criminals.

Many view Trump as a tyrannical govt gaining traction..so far guns havent been used to prevent anything from gaining traction.

Like I said, maybe you can tell me I told you so when we don’t have elections next year and Trump forces himself into a third term. We aren’t there. Chances are you aren’t putting money on that conclusion either. System is working, you just don’t like the way it’s working for now.

 

[UscGhost]

Well fire extinguishers have been used in cases of homicide, but you are right fire extinguishers and guns don’t kill people, people kill people. And the question as to killing more than they protect is far from definitely answered.



Does it actually INCREASE the risk of suicide attempts? Or domestic violence for what matter?





Blame anyone and everyone but the criminal. In fact the gun owners are the criminals.





Like I said, maybe you can tell me I told you so when we don’t have elections next year and Trump forces himself into a third term. We aren’t there. Chances are you aren’t putting money on that conclusion either. System is working, you just don’t like the way it’s working for now.

Yes, guns increase the risk of suicide attempts..because it makes the suicide attempt immensely more likely to end in death.

Yes, and the presence of a fire extinguisher REDUCES the chance of death and injury

The presence of a gun INCREASES the risk of death and injury

 

[UscGhost]

As usual (we've had this discussion before) you have a fundamental misunderstanding of how widespread individual firearm ownership counters tyranny. It's not about overthrowing the government or engaging in fire & maneuver with the Marines.

[checks watch] hey I think it's time for you to trot out the "what will you do when the Apache helicopters come" phase of your argument ...

Yes, because widespread gun ownership does nothing to counter tyranny.

It just changes the methods that the government would use to implement tyranny. They turn the population against each other, while assuming more and more control.