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I found out last week that I passed the WQE. I am scheduled for the May 2025 oral boards. Trying to decide my strategy of study. Seems like OphthoGenie is the study modality of choice these days. Also all the books Pemberton, Friedman, Wills, etc. seems like Denver course better than osler too. I was going to focus on using OphthoGenie and Wills and supplement with other sources as above if needed. What do you all think of that strategy? Good or bad? Also going to try to find a buddy to study with for the test. If someone needs a study buddy please let me know. Also if someone has used OphthoGenie and passed let me know your experience. Wishing everyone good studying and good studying and passing!
 
Strategy seems fine. Need to make sure you practice out loud and eventually time yourself. Wills is super helpful and Friedman is helpful to quickly review a topic. If you take a board prep the best way to get the most out of it is to come there ready and prepared. If unprepared it is a waste of money. Need to be able to practice. Have a system for how to approach the questions. Study as much as you need to depending on your strengths and weaknesses with oral test taking. Don't listen to people who tell you to wing it 😉
 
Looks like the oral boards are in May. The ABO website says May 2-3, 2025. Only two days? Not Sunday, May 4th? Or a typo?

Is Colorado not offering a mock oral exam? The San Antonio course in February or March as a short course, more like a preview than a course. Osler of course.
 
Looks like the oral boards are in May. The ABO website says May 2-3, 2025. Only two days? Not Sunday, May 4th? Or a typo?

Is Colorado not offering a mock oral exam? The San Antonio course in February or March as a short course, more like a preview than a course. Osler of course.
Gonio, I'm registered for the 5/3 session. It's only 5/2 and 5/3.

I looked for the Colorado course earlier this year but could not find any info
 
Well took the exam this weekend and it was awful.. Multiple diagnoses I could not hit. Optics felt the worst. I felt bad after the written exam but this was just devastation..
 
Well took the exam this weekend and it was awful.. Multiple diagnoses I could not hit. Optics felt the worst. I felt bad after the written exam but this was just devastation..
I feel you. Same here. I felt the questions were super unfair. Also, so much for the presentation style the ABO recommended that none of their examiners respected. Do you know other people who felt the same way, or are we the only two people. Perhaps if more people felt the same they would throw out some of these vague questions.
 
I feel you. Same here. I felt the questions were super unfair. Also, so much for the presentation style the ABO recommended that none of their examiners respected. Do you know other people who felt the same way, or are we the only two people. Perhaps if more people felt the same they would throw out some of these vague questions.
There’s 3 of us at least. It was so far from what I expected it felt like taking the wrong test. I was expecting talking through routine cases and ruling out life/vision threatening conditions. It does feel like they changed some things this time because that format was unexpected and IMO inconsistent with the their sample cases. I let them know on the survey and hope others do the same.
 
We all did, I had practiced the presentation style of loma Linda and Pemberton , then when the ABO sent the email saying that was against what the ABO recommended I switched completely. Some cases I wasn’t even able to say a differential which was frustrating because I either got interrupted mid way or they would move forward with another case, in some cases things were moving too fast and in others I was stalled, missed some diagnoses for sure and wasn’t able to finish a section. I have talked to my close residents and people I know and everyone feels completely devastated . The problem is they also say they each test is individual, meaning they don’t compare our performances with anyone’s else.
 
This seems to be the general sentiment after speaking with ~a dozen people. I would be really curious to hear from someone who was a repeat exam taker this year
 
We all did, I had practiced the presentation style of loma Linda and Pemberton , then when the ABO sent the email saying that was against what the ABO recommended I switched completely. Some cases I wasn’t even able to say a differential which was frustrating because I either got interrupted mid way or they would move forward with another case, in some cases things were moving too fast and in others I was stalled, missed some diagnoses for sure and wasn’t able to finish a section. I have talked to my close residents and people I know and everyone feels completely devastated . The problem is they also say they each test is individual, meaning they don’t compare our performances with anyone’s else.
Thats the horse **** that I have thought all along. Why is this exam not formatted like the USMLE step 3 Clinical Skills cases. Offer it at a Pearson Vue testing center. Allow us time to write the responses to the cases or use AI, because AI will not be biased and will not run the cases differently for different candidates. This BS about lack of bias and the built in psychometrics. There is no such thing as a psychometric that will guarantee that this test is administered similarly for every single candidate. Each one of these examiners were clearly doing their own thing. There was no consensus here. Also, why are you recording the test and then deleting the videos once the results are issued. Sounds suspect to me. What are you scared of. The problem is that these boards never have groups of people questioning the BS that they are getting away with. I think if a lot of us see this post and feel the same way we should organize and get one law firm to represent us similar to the law firm that the residents in California used to organize against oppressive hospitals and residencies programs and organizations such as the ABO who think they can get a way with doing whatever they want.

People don't know that not being board certified means not being able to get hospital affiliations, which, in my state all ambulatory surgical centers will not in turn give you surgical privileges unless you are affiliated with a hospital. Thus, essentially, in one fell swoop ending your surgical career. Also, there are many payor panels now that you can't get on unless you are board certified. The board clearly knows this. They know that this is an achilles heal and they are milking this.

Please respond and share your thoughts if we should organize against the board to stop them from pulling these discriminatory practices.

Don't tell us the exam follows this format that none of your examiners respected, and don't tell us don't take courses when you are clearly presenting cases that only a fellowship trained specialist knows how to answer. If you want to do separate subspecialty certifications for fellow trained specialists, so be it. Do that! These are supposed to be questions that a comprehensive ophthalmologist should be able to answer with the training they received in residency not a fellowship, and all I can say is that at least 8 of the questions on the exam are not easily answered unless you did some specialized fellowship training to know about these management practices. Also, the board should know that many of current residency program don't do a good job with teaching subjects like optics. So, the ones that should be penalized is not the poor doctors taking the test. Its those deficient residency programs that screwed their resident chances over.

It's about damn time we stand for ourselves against this tyrannical system. We have come this far. We passed their written qualifier. Are we really going to be deprived of the prize after all the blood, sweat and tears. I say heck no!!!
 
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Thats the horse **** that I have thought all along. Why is this exam not formatted like the USMLE step 3 Clinical Skills cases. Offer it at a Pearson Vue testing center. Allow us time to write the responses to the cases or use AI, because AI will not be biased and will not run the cases differently for different candidates. This BS about lack of bias and the built in psychometrics. There is no such thing as a psychometric that will guarantee that this test is administered similarly for every single candidate. Each one of these examiners were clearly doing their own thing. There was no consensus here. Also, why are you recording the test and then deleting the videos once the results are issued. Sounds suspect to me. What are you scared of. The problem is that these boards never have groups of people questioning the BS that they are getting away with. I think if a lot of us see this post and feel the same way we should organize and get one law firm to represent us similar to the law firm that the residents in California used to organize against oppressive hospitals and residencies programs and organizations such as the ABO who think they can get a way with doing whatever they want.

People don't know that not being board certified means not being able to get hospital affiliations, which, in my state all ambulatory surgical centers will not in turn give you surgical privileges unless you are affiliated with a hospital. Thus, essentially, in one fell swoop ending your surgical career. Also, there are many payor panels now that you can't get on unless you are board certified. The board clearly knows this. They know that this is an achilles heal and they are milking this.

Please respond and share your thoughts if we should organize against the board to stop them from pulling these discriminatory practices.

Don't tell us the exam follows this format that none of your examiners respected, and don't tell us don't take courses when you are clearly presenting cases that only a fellowship trained specialist knows how to answer. If you want to do separate subspecialty certifications for fellow trained specialists, so be it. Do that! These are supposed to be questions that a comprehensive ophthalmologist should be able to answer with the training they received in residency not a fellowship, and all I can say is that at least 8 of the questions on the exam are not easily answered unless you did some specialized fellowship training to know about these management practices. Also, the board should know that many of current residency program don't do a good job with teaching subjects like optics. So, the ones that should be penalized is not the poor doctors taking the test. Its those deficient residency programs that screwed their resident chances over.

It's about damn time we stand for ourselves against this tyrannical system. We have come this far. We passed their written qualifier. Are we really going to be deprived of the prize after all the blood, sweat and tears. I say heck no!!!
Sorry to hear about the exam. I took it and passed during the current pandemic era (pandemic=2020-present) but not this year.

Suing the ABO is a losing proposition because the ABO has nearly unlimited funding. All it has to do to pay attorneys is raise the exam fee to $4000 and Continuing Certification fees to $1000 per year, if necessary. The only limit is if Congress gets involved if the exam fees become $10,000 and yearly fees $10,000. The courts will defer to the "experts", which is the ABO/ABMS. Even the class action cardiologist lawsuit against the ABIM is not getting anywhere. The lawyers get a huge windfall, as is common with class action lawsuits.

That said, I am not in favor of the current system. It looks like the ABO discourages taking course preparation. Orally, they have said it's not necessary. It is necessary unless you like to take risks. It is also doubly necessary because of the high stakes of the exam with passing required by hospitals and insurance companies. I took the Osler course and one instructor did say to mention the differential later, not early on so the accusation that courses are wrong is wrong. Colorado also has a course but it may have been discontinued last year.

As far as examiners not following the format, on one hand that allows some freedom to skirt small facts that you are unsure of; at least I did. On the other hand, I feel that one examiner was overbearing and not a good examiner. I will not name him but if I were a panel leader, I would not want that examiner.

I believe the ABO knows that board certification is, in practice, required for many situations but they have written (maybe it was a letter?) that diplomates want a hard to pass exam followed by not too hard recertification. In contrast, family medicine has an easier exam and no orals but the recertification exam is on the same level as the initial exam and family medicine quarterly questions are kind of hard. At least some ABO members rightfully believe that as one gets older, one loses the ability to pass the initial ABO exams. Some specialties do have a very high pass rate and, probably, an easier exam.

I would wait and see what the oral results are. If a retake is needed, I would study at the level of the sub-specialist. One thing is certain and that is the knowledge required to pass the exam is more than the knowledge needed to see everyday patients. I display my certificate with pride and anguish. It took more work to get than the residency certificate or the MD degree. I do not believe people who claimed they just studied for a few days then walked in.
 
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I took the oral boards in October 2023 and failed. I was in the middle of a divorce and had a very young child at the time, and I did not prepare properly.

This year I approached it very differently. I studied for a few months, usually an hour or two each evening. I went through all of the ophthoquestions video cases twice, did their oral board review questions twice, and completed the full set of ophthogenie cases twice. I felt much more prepared.

Compared to 2023, the exam this year felt the same to me. The examiners behaved the same way, the case difficulty was similar, and the structure was familiar. The only thing that changed was my preparation. This time, there were no cases that completely stumped me. I had a solid differential and plan for every case. Sometimes I was asked “Is there anything else you would do?” or “Anything else on your differential?” so maybe I wasn't hitting exactly what they were looking for, but I did at least have a reasonable differential and plan for each case this time. That was not true for me last time.

I noticed that the examiners often moved me along quickly, sometimes even while I was in the middle of outlining my plan. I do not think this is a bad sign at all. Quite the opposite. If you are clearly lost or sitting in silence, then yes, they are probably moving on because it is a fail for that case and there is no point wasting time. But if you are mid-sentence or clearly on the right track and they move on, I believe it means they are satisfied, marked it as a pass, and want to get to the next case to give you more opportunities to score points. I think that is in your favor.

Obviously I have no idea if I passed yet, but I left this exam feeling much better than I did before. Maybe that's enough? I'm not sure. I guess I'll find out in 8 weeks.
 
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The exam is so traumatic that I still think about it!

I remember one question that I had 4 good differentials but, in retrospect, did not think about the 5th differential, which was the answer. The examiner, who was from Indiana, did not ask "anything else on your differential?" but I could tell that I was missing it. They eventually moved on after I incorrectly treated the patient but the treatment was correct for one of conditions on the differential.
I know exactly what you mean. In one particular case I gave a reasonable differential that included infectious and inflammatory etiologies. I also stated what testing I would order to rule in a diagnosis and perhaps most importantly rule out an infectious etiology. They did not give me the results of any testing and just said "so what would you do for this patient?"

Well...I'd like to see the results of the testing. But no answers were provided. Just "how would you treat this patient based on your leading differential diagnosis?"

Hopefully they weren't baiting me 😀
 
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I know exactly what you mean. I had a case of granulomatous uveitis. I gave a reasonable differential that included infectious and inflammatory etiologies. I also stated what testing I would order to rule in a diagnosis and perhaps most importantly rule out an infectious etiology. They did not give me the results of any testing and just said "so what would you do for this patient?"

Well...I'd like to see the results of the testing. But no answers were provided. Just "how would you treat this patient based on your leading differential diagnosis?"

Hopefully they weren't baiting me 😀
took it on Friday I Suppose !
 
Yes. How did you know it wasn't Saturday?
Because of the case you mentioned ! The same thing happened to me on that exact case, plus some others where I would say everything I could muster and somehow it wasn’t enough or I wasn’t provided with some intel to decide what to do…

I also noticed the examiners would move me quickly in the middle of a sentence. There were about 4 to 5 cases in total where I would be stalled and couldn’t really think on what else to do or say… this cost me the retina block where my exam ended on the last case, unfortunately.
 
Sorry to hear it for all you folks; I didn't pass my first time around and it devastated me too. The reason why there's so much variability in this is because most of the proctors are volunteers and don't really spend too much time as a group standardizing how they conduct their exams. It's normal to feel bad after the exam, it'll depend on what the curve is to determine who passes or not. Just some perspective to offer - it feels like a horrible, world will end event but it's just another hoop to jump through. You have several years to pass it and at least now you know what to expect and what deficiencies to shore up.

I'm not too surprised however at how the board examiners changed it up - the prep courses aren't exactly secrets and I think the board wanted to change things up with respect to them. I agree with everyone that the oral board needs to be more standardized and not be such a secret, medicine shouldn't be a good old boys club where the passing criteria is nebulous.
 
Sounds like things have change. I literally just memorized and regurgitated the Wills eye manual back at them.
 
What are career prospects if one can't pass and is not board certified? A few stay sheltered in academic departments but that is risky because a change in the chairman could mean you're out. I've heard of one in a rural area not close to any major city.
 
What are career prospects if one can't pass and is not board certified? A few stay sheltered in academic departments but that is risky because a change in the chairman could mean you're out. I've heard of one in a rural area not close to any major city.
Better to not think about that; in fact don't stress about it until you get the results back. Even if you don't pass, you have several years and opportunities to pass the exam.
 
It is more than 6 weeks since the ABO oral exam. It is supposed to come out at 6-8 weeks. Someone who took it a few years ago (virtual exam, not pre-pandemic in person exam) said they got the results in 4 weeks.

I'm afraid that people did poorly so they are trying to see what if they throw out a question or two and see how it affects the results. I don't think it's the opposite, that everyone did well on all the cases.
 
It is more than 6 weeks since the ABO oral exam. It is supposed to come out at 6-8 weeks. Someone who took it a few years ago (virtual exam, not pre-pandemic in person exam) said they got the results in 4 weeks.

I'm afraid that people did poorly so they are trying to see what if they throw out a question or two and see how it affects the results. I don't think it's the opposite, that everyone did well on all the cases.
Last two cycles got their results exactly at 6 weeks 2 days and 6 weeks 5 days (with Christmas and thanksgiving weeks in between I may add).
We are officially finishing week 7 and we are still without results. Don’t know what to think but this is utter BS
 
OK what the hell is going on..still no results...
Results were back sooner during the last 8 oral exams. (source: ABO press releases and SDN posts)

29-31 days when the results came back: March 2021
32-34 days: October 2021
30-32 days: June 2022
37-39 days: October 2022
38-40 days: April 2023
38-40 days: October 2023
49-51 days: June 2024
46-48 days: November 2024
day 52 and 53 and no results: May 2025

EDIT: Thursday, 6/26/2025 is day 54 and 55. Day that it was released: Wednesday (2 times), Thursday (2), Friday (2), Tuesday (1), Monday (1), Saturday (0), Sunday (0).

EDIT: Results released on Tuesday, July 1, 2025, which was day 59 and 60.
 
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I swear if they say there was an administrative issue and we all have to retake, I am going to lose my damn mind.
 
people’s lives are at stake here. Some people may need this test passed to redeem a state license, or to get up to speed with insurances etc. It is absolutely ridiculous it takes this amount to time to release the results, regardless of the number of test takers. surgery and medicine boards have 5x the amount of test takers and they release results within a month….
 
There is no valid reason this should be taking this long and it just adds unnecessary stress for everyone waiting.

I understand the value of a written exam to make sure people have the knowledge to practice safely, but the oral boards have always felt outdated and overly subjective. They are expensive, stressful, and inconsistent. Most other fields have done away with them for a reason. People say board certification is optional, but that is not really true when most hospitals and insurance carriers require it.

I really think once our generation starts taking on leadership roles, we need to seriously rethink the role of the oral boards in Ophthalmology. It is an outdated and pretentious process and it is time to move on from it.
 
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Sadly it looks like results aren't coming today either. Hang in there everyone. See you on the other side (hopefully) 😂
 
I really think once our generation starts taking on leadership roles, we need to seriously rethink the role of the oral boards in Ophthalmology. It is an outdated and pretentious process and it is time to move on from it.
I completely agree with this and regardless of results I fully support serious reform or abolishment of the exam for 3 reasons;

1. It’s not reflective of clinical practice whatsoever. Making a TREATMENT decision in 5 minutes based on a 2D blurry image is malpractice.
2. There’s no consideration for surgical ability in this supposed assessment of competence in a surgical specialty.
3. There’s completely insufficient transparency with regard to expectations and format. Think back to all the rubrics available for Step 1.

I took Step 2 CS and didn’t lament that it was ended, I was happy. I hope others would feel the same about this.
 
I completely agree with this and regardless of results I fully support serious reform or abolishment of the exam for 3 reasons;

1. It’s not reflective of clinical practice whatsoever. Making a TREATMENT decision in 5 minutes based on a 2D blurry image is malpractice.
2. There’s no consideration for surgical ability in this supposed assessment of competence in a surgical specialty.
3. There’s completely insufficient transparency with regard to expectations and format. Think back to all the rubrics available for Step 1.

I took Step 2 CS and didn’t lament that it was ended, I was happy. I hope others would feel the same about this.
I also took step 2 and glad that thing went away.
Hopefully tomorrow our torture ends… regardless of results I believe things must change for the better as many people have already explained on this thread. I do hope we get our answer tomorrow and we get this over with. Lives, personal and professional decisions etc are on the line and on the fence. I hope we all and whoever deserves it get a positive result. Gentlemen, it was an honor to share this ranting thread with you. 🫡
 
Could anyone present in the US call the ABO? I am currently overseas, but seems like results will again not post today.. they often come out by 10.15 AM EST … this has reached a level of ridiculousness not seen before…
 
Could anyone present in the US call the ABO? I am currently overseas, but seems like results will again not post today.. they often come out by 10.15 AM EST … this has reached a level of ridiculousness not seen before…
I just got off the phone with the ABO. They told me there is a delay but they expect results within the next two weeks.
 
So let's speculate, what in the world could be causing this major delay? I mean, they initially said 6 to 8 weeks, now it's been 8 weeks and they're saying two more weeks? What in the actual hell is going on here?
 
So let's speculate, what in the world could be causing this major delay? I mean, they initially said 6 to 8 weeks, now it's been 8 weeks and they're saying two more weeks? What in the actual hell is going on here?
1. (most likely) The failure rate was too high because the test was too difficult. What if 45% of people failed on preliminary grading? There is likely a mechanism to equalize the difficulty of the exam over several years but it may have been flawed. In other words, the cases were deemed average in difficulty when they were, in fact, more difficult. They are trying to correct this by either re-doing the level of difficulty versus throwing out questions. However, if that is done, some people who passed may become failures. Maybe they even had to convene a board meeting?

2. (less likely) cheating scandal. Not too likely. You can't look things up while doing the oral exam. What are you going to do, write the BCSC series on your palm?

3. they are looking into odd patterns, such as a high failure rate on one day but not the other. Or cases of two examiners grading vastly differently.

My guess is that they are saying 2 more weeks to be on the safe side. My guess is that the results will come out on Tuesday, July 8th. 2nd guess is Thursday, July 3rd.
 
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1. (most likely) The failure rate was too high because the test was too difficult. What if 45% of people failed on preliminary grading? There is likely a mechanism to equalize the difficulty of the exam over several years but it may have been flawed. In other words, the cases were deemed average in difficulty when they were, in fact, more difficult. They are trying to correct this by either re-doing the level of difficulty versus throwing out questions. However, if that is done, some people who passed may become failures. Maybe they even had to convene a board meeting?

2. (less likely) cheating scandal. Not too likely. You can't look things up while doing the oral exam. What are you going to do, write the BCSC series on your palm?

3. they are looking into odd patterns, such as a high failure rate on one day but not the other. Or cases of two examiners grading vastly differently.

My guess is that they are saying 2 more weeks to be on the safe side. My guess is that the results will come out on Tuesday, July 8th. 2nd guess is Thursday, July 3rd.
I agree with this take but why would you punish people that did well on the hard cases vs the ones they didn’t ? Wouldn’t make sense, if anything they should be shielded and see if the majority that did poorly can be helped by this. A 40% failure rate by psychometric standards means a flawed test.

Another possibility is that because they changed the way they administered the test some examiners didn’t follow the protocol correctly and their grades had to be double checked via video ?
 
They said "2 weeks" but was more like 2 business days. Results are back.
 
🙏🏻 I have passed ! God Bless and Good luck everyone !
 
I don't think it was a bloodbath but the overall pass rate has not yet been revealed. My sample size is 4 passed, 1 failed. Of the 5, 2 were slightly weaker. The really strong person passed.
 
I thought the exam was very hard. For reference, I had done pretty well on OKAPs each year and also did well on the WQE. I was very afraid that I had failed this one, but I ended up passing. There were a good 7-8 cases that I could not work through or got the diagnosis wrong. Unfortunately they don’t provide any quantitative results, but hopefully that provides some solace for future takers.
 
Same sentiment as the poster above. Consistently >80th percentile on OKAPS, 7-8 cases I was very lost on because I found the format and content different from that of what the prep materials reflect, and failed. I'm currently reflecting on if I try again what possibly I could do differently (I studied for 5 months or so with Pemberton, Ophthogenie, and some other random resources) and if I even need to redo it. I'm in a heavily cash-based subspecialty and only found 2 insurers that require board certification so I have some reflecting and thinking to do.
 
Same sentiment as the poster above. Consistently >80th percentile on OKAPS, 7-8 cases I was very lost on because I found the format and content different from that of what the prep materials reflect, and failed. I'm currently reflecting on if I try again what possibly I could do differently (I studied for 5 months or so with Pemberton, Ophthogenie, and some other random resources) and if I even need to redo it. I'm in a heavily cash-based subspecialty and only found 2 insurers that require board certification so I have some reflecting and thinking to do.
I don't think your resources are quite enough, you need something more comprehensive. It's the stuff in certain specialties you may have forgotten that will get you.

To add to that, even if you're cash-based I'd still get board certified - cash based stuff is great and all until a severe economic contraction, and it will happen at some point in your career.
 
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I’m not sure how helpful this will be to anyone else, but I’ll list exactly what I used. I didn’t use anything outside of what’s written here. I never opened the BCSC at any point during residency or afterward.

For the written exam:

1. OphthoQuestions – I went through the entire Qbank every year during residency. In the six months leading up to the exam, I did the Qbank twice again.


2. Wills – I read it passively when I was bored. I never made an effort to memorize anything.



For the oral exam:

1. OphthoQuestions (Oral Qbank) – I did their oral exam-specific Qbank twice and watched all the case videos twice in the six months leading up to the exam.


2. OphthoGenie – I went through every case four times in the last three months before the exam.


3. Wills – Again, just passive review when I was bored.



That’s it. I’m not joking.

My take: you don’t need to memorize a thousand things. You need to train your brain to follow a logical approach. Think: What questions would I ask? What’s the differential? What’s the workup for this presentation?

There are only a few hundred scenarios they can throw at you. For example, the initial workup for most uveitis cases is going to be the same. The specific diagnosis and treatment flow from the results. So instead of obsessing over every possible diagnosis, just practice responding to what you see. Let your questions, differential, and workup guide the rest.
 
I’m not sure how helpful this will be to anyone else, but I’ll list exactly what I used. I didn’t use anything outside of what’s written here. I never opened the BCSC at any point during residency or afterward.

For the written exam:

1. OphthoQuestions – I went through the entire Qbank every year during residency. In the six months leading up to the exam, I did the Qbank twice again.


2. Wills – I read it passively when I was bored. I never made an effort to memorize anything.



For the oral exam:

1. OphthoQuestions (Oral Qbank) – I did their oral exam-specific Qbank twice and watched all the case videos twice in the six months leading up to the exam.


2. OphthoGenie – I went through every case four times in the last three months before the exam.


3. Wills – Again, just passive review when I was bored.



That’s it. I’m not joking.

My take: you don’t need to memorize a thousand things. You need to train your brain to follow a logical approach. Think: What questions would I ask? What’s the differential? What’s the workup for this presentation?

There are only a few hundred scenarios they can throw at you. For example, the initial workup for most uveitis cases is going to be the same. The specific diagnosis and treatment flow from the results. So instead of obsessing over every possible diagnosis, just practice responding to what you see. Let your questions, differential, and workup guide the rest.
I did something similar but remove Wills and add Pemberton and Osler online course.

For me, Ophtho questions was horrible, only glanced through some videos but couldn’t stand the voices, the flash cards are useful though !
 
I don't think your resources are quite enough, you need something more comprehensive. It's the stuff in certain specialties you may have forgotten that will get you.

To add to that, even if you're cash-based I'd still get board certified - cash based stuff is great and all until a severe economic contraction, and it will happen at some point in your career.

With regards to the first point… I don’t think this is true at all. I was close to completing a highly competitive subspecialty and felt that area of the exam to be the worst for me, others have shared in previous exams that they have also suffered in their respective subspecialty area (cornea, glaucoma). This part of your post is just wrong
 
I’m not sure how helpful this will be to anyone else, but I’ll list exactly what I used. I didn’t use anything outside of what’s written here. I never opened the BCSC at any point during residency or afterward.

For the oral exam:

1. OphthoQuestions (Oral Qbank) – I did their oral exam-specific Qbank twice and watched all the case videos twice in the six months leading up to the exam.


2. OphthoGenie – I went through every case four times in the last three months before the exam.


3. Wills – Again, just passive review when I was bored.

That’s it. I’m not joking.

My take: you don’t need to memorize a thousand things. You need to train your brain to follow a logical approach. Think: What questions would I ask? What’s the differential? What’s the workup for this presentation?
I strongly disagree with this advice. Never opened the BCSC series? That is a recipe for disaster. It is really bad advice for the written (WQE). In fact, I recommend the BCSC for the orals UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS. Those conditions would be to very rapidly go through it if you are studying 9-12 months ahead of time. If it's 3-4 months before the orals, don't use the BCSC unless you only want to read 1-2 pages because you forgot about an important condition.

This poster might have a fantastic memory of residency lectures because I think using only OpthoQuestions (oral question bank) and OpthoGenie with passive reading of Wills is inadequate. I get no glee when I hear of people failing the orals. Part of studying, I believe, is to take one of the courses, like Colorado or Osler, but the courses cannot be relied on alone. You must study.

Some people are good speakers. I am not so I practiced in the car while driving.
 
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With regards to the first point… I don’t think this is true at all. I was close to completing a highly competitive subspecialty and felt that area of the exam to be the worst for me, others have shared in previous exams that they have also suffered in their respective subspecialty area (cornea, glaucoma). This part of your post is just wrong
Maybe it's changed since I took it 8 years ago, but absolutely not true for me, coming out of a brutal surgical retina fellowship where i was the only fellow on call 24/7 at a tertiary academic hospital. The retina section was a breeze both times (ended early) but I struggled with glaucoma and cornea because I forgot about aphakic glaucoma and other random anterior segment stuff. So, no, not wrong on my end. If you struggled in your respective specialty, you either got too much in the weeds about real-life treatment (the proctors aren't always in your specialty and are reading off a rubric, like the second time I took it, it was clear he was comprehensive), could not articulate your points well, or your fellowship didn't train you as well as you thought. Speaking to previous residents I've mentored, while the format is different, the overall style is the same, so I don't think it's changed drastically.

I don't know if you know this but I am speaking from someone who failed the oral boards the first time. I did what some of you did and thought was sufficient (pemberton/osler/etc.) and got wrecked. It wasn't a knowledge issue - my OKAPs were >80% each time I took them. The questions I missed I probably would have reasoned through if I had enough time. The review stuff for the oral boards is simply that - reviewing the format for oral boards. The issue is that the knowledge is there, but you have to be familiar enough with it to recall them quickly, and get it out orally in a legible fashion.

You can read in my history about what I did specifically, but I had to humble myself and refresh my knowledge thoroughly. Long story short I ditched what a lot of the other posters used other than Pemberton, and read through Wills and the Loma Linda cases, and practiced with a study partner for a few weeks to get the format down. Second time around I passed easily, and realized that I did not deserve to pass the first time around because I didn't present my competency well nor did I prepare properly. In the end, medicine isn't just a test, you have to talk to people and your colleagues and like it or not, your perceived competency is tied to how you communicate your knowledge. If you're not a native English speaker it sucks more so, but that's the game.

As a last aside, while I understand everyone's complaints about it, after several years I do understand its role. There is probably a better way to do this but ophthalmology from a certification/education standpoint has always had certain "exceptions".
 
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I strongly disagree with this advice. Never opened the BCSC series? That is a recipe for disaster. It is really bad advice for the written (WQE). In fact, I recommend the BCSC for the orals UNDER CERTAIN CONDITIONS. Those conditions would be to very rapidly go through it if you are studying 9-12 months ahead of time. If it's 3-4 months before the orals, don't use the BCSC unless you only want to read 1-2 pages because you forgot about an important condition.

This poster might have a fantastic memory of residency lectures because I think using only OpthoQuestions (oral question bank) and OpthoGenie with passive reading of Wills is inadequate. I get no glee when I hear of people failing the orals. Part of studying, I believe, is to take one of the courses, like Colorado or Osler, but the courses cannot be relied on alone. You must study.

Some people are good speakers. I am not so I practiced in the car while driving.
I do agree with some of this in retrospect - for the WQE I did fine but realized some of the questions came straight out of the BCSC. What threw me off was that the WQE had less esoteric questions compared to the OKAPs but more applicable.

For the orals, every person I spoke who failed had the same issue - not enough studying and just hoping they could bank on review books like during residency to get through., and not practicing enough if you're not a natural orator. Don't have to rotely recite stuff like a robot but you need to have that knowledge quickly on demand just like how fast you want your shows to load up on Netflix.
 
Having the knowledge quickly on demand is it. That's the best possible summary. And I'm not at all recommending that anyone else use only those sources I listed. It's just one personal anecdotal experience. FWIW, I did the same thing with all the USMLE exams (did literally nothing but Uworld questions over and over until I had memorized every answer and every explanation) and scored very highly on those thankfully. But yes, it's probably not an accepted strategy for success. It just worked for me.
 
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