orthodontic residency for Foreign trained dentist

[goldstar96]

How can a foreign trained dentist get admission in ortho residency programs ?(i am asking to get directly admission in ortho residency not doing dds/dmd or gpr/aegd)

what are the requirements you need to fullfill ?
what are other factors that should be considered ?
what kind of experience you need ? + how many years of experiences ?


plz all the dentist share your experiences especially all the foriegn dental gradutes.

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[BlueToothHunter]

How can a foreign trained dentist get admission in ortho residency programs ?(i am asking to get directly admission in ortho residency not doing dds/dmd or gpr/aegd)

what are the requirements you need to fullfill ?
what are other factors that should be considered ?
what kind of experience you need ? + how many years of experiences ?


plz all the dentist share your experiences especially all the foriegn dental gradutes.

Are you planning on staying in the US after your orthodontics training or go back to your home country to practice?

 

[flapaTron]

you will likely need to fulfill the following 3 items:

- DDS/DMD degree from ADA accreditied institution
- Residency status (e.g. card, citizenship, etc)
- Competitive part 1 scores (>90)
- depending on the ortho program, a decent GRE score

good luck.

 

[Mrs ali]

hello gold star,
iam also an FTD and am really too interested in applying for ortho programs without having to do the DDS .not all advanced programs in ortho require that u are a graduate of an US college .they do mention in the requirements for an international dentist TOEFL ECE report other than that its the same as a graduate from here GRE,NBDE...etc
the thing that is everyone saying its very hard to get in..it would be great to hear of some one who succeeded and if possible post the experience

 

[flapaTron]

i'm curious to hear which programs do not require a US DDS/DMD.....

not that i don't believe it's possible, it just sounds implausible.

 

[hammoudeh71]

In theory, it's possible, and there is a bunch of programs on the PASS search engine which state that they MAY consider international applicants. But in reality, I would start working on plan B.

 

[Mrs ali]

i have been in contact with the program directors of ortho UT both in houston and san antonio and they both accept FTDs

 

[cresophene]

i have been in contact with the program directors of ortho UT both in houston and san antonio and they both accept FTDs

With part 1 and 2 of boards I'm sure.

 

[goldstar96]

Are you planning on staying in the US after your orthodontics training or go back to your home country to practice?

planning to stay in US.

 

[Firm]

i'm curious to hear which programs do not require a US DDS/DMD.....

not that i don't believe it's possible, it just sounds implausible.

I would like to be a plastic surgeon but I don't want to have to go to Med school.

 

[mike3kgt]

I would like to be a plastic surgeon but I don't want to have to go to Med school.

Maybe a future periodontist?

Maybe there they have "papers" where you could "write" the exams?

 

[Ninety]

i'm curious to hear which programs do not require a US DDS/DMD.....

not that i don't believe it's possible, it just sounds implausible.

many programs consider foreign dentists ELIGIBLE to apply, but NOT NECESSARILY admit them (actually they will not take you unless you are an outstanding foreign orthodontist with heavy research and clinical experience and perfect scores and interview experience so that you can ADD to the program and not totally DEPEND on it!)

then it is possible

 

[anniestar]

many programs consider foreign dentists ELIGIBLE to apply, but NOT NECESSARILY admit them (actually they will not take you unless you are an outstanding foreign orthodontist with heavy research and clinical experience and perfect scores and interview experience so that you can ADD to the program and not totally DEPEND on it!)

then it is possible

Well said!!makes situation clear for me.
what would you say for the AEGD progs??are there better chances for an FTD to get into one of them or that is also like wasting money on applications??

 

[BombayBDS]

you will likely need to fulfill the following 3 items:

- DDS/DMD degree from ADA accreditied institution
- Residency status (e.g. card, citizenship, etc)
- Competitive part 1 scores (>90)
- depending on the ortho program, a decent GRE score

good luck.

+1.
DDS is the way to go!

 

[Ninety]

+1.
DDS is the way to go!

I doubt, a 2-yr IDS is less appreciated than a 4-yr straightforward DDS

 

[BombayBDS]

I doubt, a 2-yr IDS is less appreciated than a 4-yr straightforward DDS

still better than applying with no US degree at all.
Doing a 4 year DDS just dosn't make sense for us, even with the aim of a residency.

 

[Imi Goldberg]

many programs consider foreign dentists ELIGIBLE to apply, but NOT NECESSARILY admit them (actually they will not take you unless you are an outstanding foreign orthodontist with heavy research and clinical experience and perfect scores and interview experience so that you can ADD to the program and not totally DEPEND on it!)

then it is possible

What IF, I want to take the masters and get the hell out! Back home for instance? do they like this approach more?

 

[Ninety]

I want to go back to my home after residency and still can not match!

 

[jacksonkelly]

Definitely there are many ortho programs that accept foreign trained applicants without DDS/DMD.
Ortho, OMFS, Endo are very very tough to get accepted for foreign trained dentists.
I dont see how going back to your country is relevant to applying? the only reason I can think of is that if your country sponsors your residency training and that makes acceptances easier, otherwise its not relevant in my opinion.

Look up ortho programs on ADA.org and pass match/website. Contact the programs and ask them before you apply.

You have better chance if you have a score above 90 NBDE, high class rank, high GRE. Masters in ortho in your country will help alot.
AEGD/GPR or DDS, or ortho fellowship will also help alot to get accepted. You can try volunteering, externships....

 

[Imi Goldberg]

I dont see how going back to your country is relevant to applying? the only reason I can think of is that if your country sponsors your residency training and that makes acceptances easier, otherwise its not relevant in my opinion.

Competition for instances? Fear from middle-east folks like me, even though I got a US citizenship, I'm having trouble finding work where I am, in Boston.

 

[blissonearth]

I have been working on applying to ortho schools for the last 2 years, from bunch of applications number, I only got 1 interview. Although I really was great at my foreign dental school, president awards, best students, research won prices nationally, scholarships, international orthodontics program (1 year), still very very hard to compete with the US graduates especially your vocabulary score of your GRE is quite low in compare to the native speakers.
They will look on GRE, National boards (usually above 90), and heavy research experiences during dental schools, and of course, recommendation letter or connections to the ortho schools you applied for.
I know that at least 1 from the residents in some school will accept 2 year IDP graduates, I am talking about top ten orthodontics schools.
A lot of school said they would consider foreign trained, but in reality, they just throw that applications down to the garbage can.
Not all the schools do that, some schools accept numbers of foreign trained, and for some weird reasons, once you are a citizen, you literally can't compete with foreign trained, but US graduates instead, makes is even harder to compete.
Being a citizen has drawback from being just permanent resident in term of your status. Yes, you could apply for IDP program who only accepts PR and CItizens, but in the specialty program, once you are a citizen, you compete with other citizens (US graduates). I know one school has this policy. Again, not every schools are the same, you have to study each of the characteristic of the school.
Some schools have the feedback from residents during interview, and some schools just mainly choosing based on the faculties feedback.
Saint Louis accept many foreign trained dentists, UIC accepts 3 foreign trained dentists, BU and Nova.

I think it is safe to say by going to the IDP program first, you have way more options in pursuing your specialty world. Orthodontics is one of the most competitive program in the US. If you want to be more less competitive, try perio and restorative dentistry.
At U of Michigan, they accept a lot of foreign trained into restorative dentistry.

Just a thought.

 

[jacksonkelly]

Competition for instances? Fear from middle-east folks like me, even though I got a US citizenship, I'm having trouble finding work where I am, in Boston.

fear of middle easterns? Im sorry but thats a very lame excuse. This is a very professional field and you are dealing with well educated doctors and residents, your background doesnt matter. Your resume, scores and personality are all that matters. Im middle eastern and practicing in the US. During my residency I didnt face any "fear" from my collegues and my instructors.

You want a competitive and demanding speciality and you as an applicant should be competitive...how? do GPR or AEGD or IDP, work hard on your scores then apply to ortho....you MIGHT get accepted that way.

You can also be a general dentist specializing in ortho, there are many comprehensive ce courses out there. But keep in mind you will not be an orthodontist nor can advertise yourself as one, but you'll treat ortho cases and should know your limitations in order to not to get yourself in trouble and headache

 

[blissonearth]

You have to be really careful practicing orthodontics as general dentistry, if you do mistake, you won't be winning in legal issue. You are not an AAO member, this organization won't support you because you are not an orthodontist graduated from accredited orthodontics program.
Think about malpractice.

It is safe to just work within your boundary, if you are general dentist, work within those boundary, don't go over what other specialist could do.

 

[monreal]

You have to be really careful practicing orthodontics as general dentistry, if you do mistake, you won't be winning in legal issue. You are not an AAO member, this organization won't support you because you are not an orthodontist graduated from accredited orthodontics program.
Think about malpractice.

It is safe to just work within your boundary, if you are general dentist, work within those boundary, don't go over what other specialist could do.

Orthodontic treatment is within the GP boundary!

 

[blissonearth]

Very limited orthodontics. Not whole ortodontics. Very minor adjustments, yes GP can do it.

 

[Imi Goldberg]

Very limited orthodontics. Not whole ortodontics. Very minor adjustments, yes GP can do it.

adjustments

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