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In reading about the trial, why was a “renowned anesthesiologist” with no direct link to the case testifying for the defense? I understand this happens often in these trials and the defense is entitled to call rebuttal experts, but my question is more why would the renowned physician do it? Need money that badly?
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circleK said:
In reading about the trial, why was a “renowned anesthesiologist” with no direct link to the case testifying for the defense? I understand this happens often in these trials and the defense is entitled to call rebuttal experts, but my question is more why would the renowned physician do it? Need money that badly?
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I doubt she truly believed Ortiz was innocent. My guess for $$$.

"Specifically, she testified that she believed doctors administered medicine to patients incorrectly" definitely a very BJS thing to say.
 
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I think amyl is using the term as in “A person who is unscrupulous, especially one who compromises their principles for gain” in which case he’s subjectively not wrong; and also I believe he knew one of the victims.

I see so many of these “experts” in mad mal cases doing harm to their profession; they always seem to come from academia. I will never understand their thought process. In residency we had two attendings who did it as a side gig often; they were by far our worst attendings clinically.
 
circleK said:
In reading about the trial, why was a “renowned anesthesiologist” with no direct link to the case testifying for the defense? I understand this happens often in these trials and the defense is entitled to call rebuttal experts, but my question is more why would the renowned physician do it? Need money that badly?
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For some people, one of the reasons to become a “renowned anesthesiologist” is to develop a side gig as a hired gun. Is that a better choice of words than w****? I’m sure she’s a smart woman. I doubt she believes her own testimony.
 
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I’ve a family member who is a med mal lawyer who has done some big cases, does this on both sides (client/plaintiff): everyone with a name on the chart gets named in the suit, this is so they can get testimony and background from everyone. She won a case based on one nicu nurses testimony with a lot of circumstantial evidence of a drunk nicu doctor

The large majority of cases get paid out before trial. The ones that don’t are either the defendant really didn’t think they did something wrong (my favorite one was someone in prison for fraud suing the prison doctor who had to push back to go to trial) or they’re not happy with the settlement. It’s a numbers game, you lose one case for 100 million because of something they can find you liable for and it’s better to settle. Ask the OBs about this, they’re one of the highest risk along with neurosurgeons.

If it goes to trial: the lawyers can see your insurance policy, debts etc…my family member told me I’d be fine because I still had student loans and very little liquid assets, she literally said, and she’s cutthroat but good at her job, ‘we’re looking for the >50 year old doctor who has a beach house if we have to go to trial.’ …document, document, document, especially if you work with cowboys crnas. I document in the preop note, then text and say ‘close the loop of communication’ if I don’t hear anything to put it in nursing language. The people who I’ve known who have been in a lawsuit, even if peripherally involved, say it’s a pain, hours out of your day and paperwork
 
circleK said:
In reading about the trial, why was a “renowned anesthesiologist” with no direct link to the case testifying for the defense? I understand this happens often in these trials and the defense is entitled to call rebuttal experts, but my question is more why would the renowned physician do it? Need money that badly?
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Because narcissists and sociopaths in medicine exist just like in any other fields. And they care about nothing but themselves. $$$$
 
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Just saw BJS in my AnesthesiologyNews (yes I peruse that garbage publication occasionally when it comes to the house). She is apparently a well known professor and the president of the Society for Ambulatory Anesthesia 😳. So why on earth would you also need to side gig defending a psychopath in court?! I just don’t get it.
 
Maverikk said:
I’ve a family member who is a med mal lawyer who has done some big cases, does this on both sides (client/plaintiff): everyone with a name on the chart gets named in the suit, this is so they can get testimony and background from everyone. She won a case based on one nicu nurses testimony with a lot of circumstantial evidence of a drunk nicu doctor

The large majority of cases get paid out before trial. The ones that don’t are either the defendant really didn’t think they did something wrong (my favorite one was someone in prison for fraud suing the prison doctor who had to push back to go to trial) or they’re not happy with the settlement. It’s a numbers game, you lose one case for 100 million because of something they can find you liable for and it’s better to settle. Ask the OBs about this, they’re one of the highest risk along with neurosurgeons.

If it goes to trial: the lawyers can see your insurance policy, debts etc…my family member told me I’d be fine because I still had student loans and very little liquid assets, she literally said, and she’s cutthroat but good at her job, ‘we’re looking for the >50 year old doctor who has a beach house if we have to go to trial.’ …document, document, document, especially if you work with cowboys crnas. I document in the preop note, then text and say ‘close the loop of communication’ if I don’t hear anything to put it in nursing language. The people who I’ve known who have been in a lawsuit, even if peripherally involved, say it’s a pain, hours out of your day and paperwork
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I'm uninterested in your fear mongering. Can clearly tell you practice CYA medicine only!
 
Now what happens to
The owners of the surgery center? Have they been sued also?
 
The surgeons are part owners at least - it’s a Baylor and dpsi site. This was the criminal trial… I imagine the civil trials will start. Ortiz has nothing for them $ wise but I would think there would be a case against someone in Credentialing at that surgery center. Ortiz had had his privileges pulled at countless other centers and hospitals and he was not board certified
 
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Doesn’t matter. He is going to die in jail.
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It does matter to the victim’s family to carry out “justice “

That’s why I keep going back how aggressive DA like fani Willis and Alvin Bragg or even Jack smith are at going after trump

This Ortiz doc is a nobody. So the local DA doesn’t feel like wasting public tax payor money.

U can betcha if it’s Aaron Hernandez who’s already was convicted of murder. The DA in another case wanted to go after him for another murder.

In the interest of justice the Dallas DA should indict some type of murder or involuntary murder charges against Ortiz. But it’s not a case worth spending. Money for.

I’m sure the local DA did meet with victim family as well and probably mutually decided not to pursue it in light of a long conviction.

But by the letter of how Alvin Bragg and fani Willis and Jack smith act, they absolutely should file some type of death charges vs Ortiz.
 
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