Osteopathic EM programs

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yes, the design of the test is such that 500 is always the average score

I don't have a link to an "official" report of COMLEX national averages, I'm getting the info based on an e mail that our dean sent out giving the national average then the average of our school. I assume that the number he gave was accurate. Maybe that was the average before it was readjusted, don't really know.
 
While the mean score is always 500, a much better number to look at would be the median score. For example a student that scored a 500 on the comlex 1 last year would have achieved the mean score, but they actually would only be 44th%. The median score for last year's comlex 1 is 513 which would make a 513 the 50th%
 
I know this might sound very stupid but I am still an IMG medical student graduating next year....but can an ECFMG certified IMG apply for the osteopathic EM programs? I understood they are much more than programs for MDs, aren't they?
 
I know this might sound very stupid but I am still an IMG medical student graduating next year....but can an ECFMG certified IMG apply for the osteopathic EM programs? I understood they are much more than programs for MDs, aren't they?

You cannot apply for AOA residencies as an IMG
 
Does anyone know anything about ROWAN SOM/Inspira in Vineland, NJ? I can't seem to find anything about them on SDN and their own website is kind of lacking...
 
Does anyone know anything about ROWAN SOM/Inspira in Vineland, NJ? I can't seem to find anything about them on SDN and their own website is kind of lacking...

They are new. This round will be their second class being matched. Never had residents before. Seems like a nice facility though.
 
Saw a couple people post interview invites, thought we could share them here: Application turned in July 15th, SLOEs uploaded early September, so far, interviews from OVMC in Wheeling, WV, Inspira Health in Vineland, NJ, Conemaugh Memorial in Johnstown, PA, and St. Joseph in Warren, OH.
 
Saw a couple people post interview invites, thought we could share them here: Application turned in July 15th, SLOEs uploaded early September, so far, interviews from OVMC in Wheeling, WV, Inspira Health in Vineland, NJ, Conemaugh Memorial in Johnstown, PA, and St. Joseph in Warren, OH.

I guess we can start a list...

Arrowhead Regional Medical Center, Colton, CA
Conemaugh Memorial, Johnstown, PA
Inspira Health, Vineland NJ
Ohio Valley, Wheeling, WV
St. Joseph, Warren, OH
 
Doctors Hospital - Columbus OH
St. Barnabas - Bronx, NY
St. James - Olympia Fields, IL
 
I know its still early yet, but when should one ask a DO program if their application is still being considered? I was hoping to hear from St James this interview season.
 
Doctors Hospital - Columbus OH
St. Barnabas - Bronx, NY
St. James - Olympia Fields, IL

Additionally:
Lakeland - MI
St. Joseph - NJ
St. Mary - MI

PS, Anyone have experience at some of these programs recently that would like to give their 2 cents?
 
Newly approved AOA Emergency Medicine Residency Programs 2013:

Emergency Medicine
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Adena Health System - Emergency Medicine Residency
Chillicothe, OH

350048
Comanche County Memorial Hospital - Emergency Medicine Residency
Lawton, OK

351803
Mercy Memorial Hospital - Emergency Medicine Residency
Monroe, MI

349255
MSUCOM/Allegiance Health - Emergency Medicine Residency
Jackson, MI

340432
MSUCOM/St. Mary Mercy Hospital - Emergency Medicine Residency
Livonia, MI

350044
UH Regional Hospitals - Emergency Medicine Residency
Richmond Heights, OH

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UMDNJ/SOM/South Jersey Healthcare - Emergency Medicine Residency
Vineland, NJ

Would be great if people could continue to post some reviews on the new programs as well as updates on the existing programs when you all head out on the interview trail this season. Good luck!
 
Just thought I would combine everyone's responses for a nice running list. Should keep copying it down and adding as more come along.

Conemaugh Memorial - Johnstown, PA
St. Joseph, Warren - OH
Arrowhead Regional Medical Center - Colton, CA
Inspira Health - Vineland NJ
Ohio Valley - Wheeling, WV
Doctors Hospital - Columbus OH
St. Barnabas - Bronx, NY
St. James - Olympia Fields, IL
Kent - Warwick, RI
Sparrow - Lansing, MI
Upmc hamot - Erie, PA
Lakeland - MI
St. Joseph - NJ
St. Mary - MI
Albert Einstein - Philadelphia, PA
Adena Health System - Chillicothe, OH
 
Conemaugh Memorial - Johnstown, PA
St. Joseph - Warren, OH
Arrowhead Regional Medical Center - Colton, CA
Inspira Health - Vineland NJ
Ohio Valley - Wheeling, WV
Doctors Hospital - Columbus OH
St. Barnabas - Bronx, NY
St. James - Olympia Fields, IL
Kent - Warwick, RI
Sparrow - Lansing, MI
Upmc hamot - Erie, PA
Lakeland - St. Joseph, MI
St. Joseph - NJ
St. Mary - MI
Albert Einstein - Philadelphia, PA
Adena Health System - Chillicothe, OH
SOMC - Portsmouth, OH
 
Conemaugh Memorial - Johnstown, PA
St. Joseph - Warren, OH
Arrowhead Regional Medical Center - Colton, CA
Inspira Health - Vineland NJ
Ohio Valley - Wheeling, WV
Doctors Hospital - Columbus OH
St. Barnabas - Bronx, NY
St. James - Olympia Fields, IL
Kent - Warwick, RI
Sparrow - Lansing, MI
Upmc hamot - Erie, PA
Lakeland - St. Joseph, MI
St. Joseph - NJ
St. Mary - MI
Albert Einstein - Philadelphia, PA
Adena Health System - Chillicothe, OH
SOMC - Portsmouth, OH
St. Luke's - Bethlehem, PA
 
Conemaugh Memorial - Johnstown, PA
St. Joseph - Warren, OH
Arrowhead Regional Medical Center - Colton, CA
Inspira Health - Vineland NJ
Ohio Valley - Wheeling, WV
Doctors Hospital - Columbus OH
St. Barnabas - Bronx, NY
St. James - Olympia Fields, IL
Kent - Warwick, RI
Sparrow - Lansing, MI
Upmc hamot - Erie, PA
Lakeland - St. Joseph, MI
St. Joseph - NJ
St. Mary - MI
Albert Einstein - Philadelphia, PA
Adena Health System - Chillicothe, OH
SOMC - Portsmouth, OH
St. Luke's - Bethlehem, PA
Mount Sinai - Miami Beach, FL
Lehigh Valley - Allentown, PA
 
So... my COMLEX 2 score came out today... 440 (down from 506 on Level 1), how screwed am I?
 
We are the Osteopathic Emergency Medicine Residency of the St. John-Providence Health System. The osteopathic division at St.John-Providence is a diverse educational organization that offers over 16 different osteopathic residencies and fellowships.

The osteopathic emergency residency works out of three different EDs in the St.John-Providence health system that cover from approximately 38,000 visits/yr at our smallest site, over 70,000 visits/yr at our midsize site to over 120,000 visits/yr at our largest, totaling well over 200,000 visits/yr between the three sites. We are looking for highly qualified candidates that are interested and passionate about emergency medicine. Please contact us if you have any questions or would like to set up a rotation.

http://www.stjohnprovidence.org/osteopathicdivision/oakland/programs/EmergencyMedicine/
 
Ok, so I'm kinda of freaking out right now because it's starting to get into the interview season. Are people getting tons of AOA interviews at this point, or is it because Oct. 1st is when the MSPE gets officially released, it's ok to only have 1 interview at this point? I'm starting to wonder if I need to start applying to internships yet so I can reapply next year.
 
Ok, so I'm kinda of freaking out right now because it's starting to get into the interview season. Are people getting tons of AOA interviews at this point, or is it because Oct. 1st is when the MSPE gets officially released, it's ok to only have 1 interview at this point? I'm starting to wonder if I need to start applying to internships yet so I can reapply next year.

There are still another ~30 programs who are going to send out invites plus the other ~20 with more invites to continue sending. I think you're okay this early in the game, especially if you're targeting the 30 who haven't sent out yet. Have only heard back from 8 of my 24 applied to... The rest being mostly Michigan programs.
 
Ok, so I'm kinda of freaking out right now because it's starting to get into the interview season. Are people getting tons of AOA interviews at this point, or is it because Oct. 1st is when the MSPE gets officially released, it's ok to only have 1 interview at this point? I'm starting to wonder if I need to start applying to internships yet so I can reapply next year.

I'd say start worrying once we know all the programs have started interviewing. Right now, as pointed out, ~60% have not.

That's where I'm at too. It's concerning when my friend already has 13+ FM interviews and is now having to cancel some.

Just remember that's FM. There are a bazillion programs, and being less competitive, it's on the programs to court the applicants they like early on.

For what it's worth, I've got the courtesy interview at my current audition, plus... Erm... Yeah. We're all in the same leaky boat together. 🙂

Except for Makati. He's apparently on the luxury yacht, but we like him anyway. XD
 
Could anyone comment on when is considered "too late" for AOA match?

I was originally going to forgo the DO match, but decided I should hedge my bets. So my application to DO programs went out last week. Is this going to seriously hurt my chances of getting any interviews, or will there be some spots left for the stragglers like me?
 
Will there be some spots left for the stragglers like me?

EMrdon, you can have my interview spot in Chillicothe. Turns out that there's a paper mill that runs on Tues and Thurs. Nickname StinkyTown, OH.

Conveniently, interviews are only on Mondays. Just enough time to air the place out.
 
I'm avoiding Ohio, but I appreciate the offer.
 
EMrdon, you can have my interview spot in Chillicothe. Turns out that there's a paper mill that runs on Tues and Thurs. Nickname StinkyTown, OH.

Conveniently, interviews are only on Mondays. Just enough time to air the place out.

There's some sort of quarry and industrial complex right across the freeway from Arrowhead in CA. When the wind is right, there's a rather thick stank over the area. By the way, I'll also take any ARMC interviews. 😀
 
Hey now! I happen to be from StinkyTown, OH.


P.S. Mead runs 24 hrs/day, 7 days/wk.




EMrdon, you can have my interview spot in Chillicothe. Turns out that there's a paper mill that runs on Tues and Thurs. Nickname StinkyTown, OH.

Conveniently, interviews are only on Mondays. Just enough time to air the place out.
 
Conemaugh Memorial - Johnstown, PA
St. Joseph - Warren, OH
Arrowhead Regional Medical Center - Colton, CA
Inspira Health - Vineland NJ
Ohio Valley - Wheeling, WV
Doctors Hospital - Columbus OH
St. Barnabas - Bronx, NY
St. James - Olympia Fields, IL
Kent - Warwick, RI
Sparrow - Lansing, MI
Upmc hamot - Erie, PA
Lakeland - St. Joseph, MI
St. Joseph - NJ
St. Mary - MI
Albert Einstein - Philadelphia, PA
Adena Health System - Chillicothe, OH
SOMC - Portsmouth, OH
St. Luke's - Bethlehem, PA
Mount Sinai - Miami Beach, FL
Lehigh Valley - Allentown, PA
St. Vincent - Erie, PA
 
Conemaugh Memorial - Johnstown, PA
St. Joseph - Warren, OH
Arrowhead Regional Medical Center - Colton, CA
Inspira Health - Vineland NJ
Ohio Valley - Wheeling, WV
Doctors Hospital - Columbus OH
St. Barnabas - Bronx, NY
St. James - Olympia Fields, IL
Kent - Warwick, RI
Sparrow - Lansing, MI
Upmc hamot - Erie, PA
Lakeland - St. Joseph, MI
St. Joseph - NJ
St. Mary - MI
Albert Einstein - Philadelphia, PA
Adena Health System - Chillicothe, OH
SOMC - Portsmouth, OH
St. Luke's - Bethlehem, PA
Mount Sinai - Miami Beach, FL
Lehigh Valley - Allentown, PA
St. Vincent - Erie, PA
Marietta Memorial - Marietta, OH


Not many dates for Marietta... 3?
 
Anyone have info about how many programs we should rank to feel safe? A lot of discussion for the allo match, but I couldn't find much for osteo. Thanks
 
Anyone have info about how many programs we should rank to feel safe? A lot of discussion for the allo match, but I couldn't find much for osteo. Thanks

Well... by the 2011 Match data (which appears to be the most recent available), there were 209 EM applicants, with 216 positions available; another five scrambled in, with two positions left unfilled. So it appears that as long as you're willing to go anywhere, any amount is at least theoretically 'safe' (though this doesn't account for the increased popularity of EM, and the delicate balance of applicants and positions might leave a few without options this time around).

If your application is total crap, you should apply to every program. If you're a rockstar, you should pick your 5-10 favorites. If you're somewhere in between, take a guess.

I'd say I'm somewhere in the slightly-below-average-to-average category at this point (some red flags, some real strengths), and I'm pretty comfortable with the 24 I applied to, FWIW.
 
Well... by the 2011 Match data (which appears to be the most recent available), there were 209 EM applicants, with 216 positions available; another five scrambled in, with two positions left unfilled. So it appears that as long as you're willing to go anywhere, any amount is at least theoretically 'safe' (though this doesn't account for the increased popularity of EM, and the delicate balance of applicants and positions might leave a few without options this time around).

Well, that's really really comforting to be honest. Also, didn't something around 4 or 5 new programs opened up this year alone?

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So I ended up driving up to Philadelphia for the PE and I just realized something... I should have taken an extra week to get up here. I just realized that I passed through a half a dozen cities with AOA EM programs. While rotating would have been better than shadowing, a day in the ED is better than nothing.
 
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Well, that's really really comforting to be honest. Also, didn't something around 4 or 5 new programs opened up this year alone?

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I actually hadn't realized it either till I looked it up. I'd heard that EM appears competitive, but is actually pretty well matched in terms of candidates😛ositions. I assumed that only applied to Allo, though, and from what I'd heard it was about 95% of candidates that matched EM. So yay! And yes, I keep hearing there are several new programs, but I actually have no idea which ones they are (except for Adena, I think). Any ideas?

Also, flawless execution on Mr. Lloyd Christmas' sage counsel.

So I ended up driving up to Philadelphia for the PE and I just realized something... I should have taken an extra week to get up here. I just realized that I passed through a half a dozen cities with AOA EM programs. While rotating would have been better than shadowing, a day in the ED is better than nothing.

Haha, yup. That's why I'm spending the latter half of the year bouncing up and down the coastline. Although I didn't think we had much that's further South than Philly... guess I'm wondering which direction you're describing as 'up', haha.
 
I actually hadn't realized it either till I looked it up. I'd heard that EM appears competitive, but is actually pretty well matched in terms of candidates😛ositions. I assumed that only applied to Allo, though, and from what I'd heard it was about 95% of candidates that matched EM. So yay! And yes, I keep hearing there are several new programs, but I actually have no idea which ones they are (except for Adena, I think). Any ideas?

Also, flawless execution on Mr. Lloyd Christmas' sage counsel.



Haha, yup. That's why I'm spending the latter half of the year bouncing up and down the coastline. Although I didn't think we had much that's further South than Philly... guess I'm wondering which direction you're describing as 'up', haha.

Could it be that people applied EM ranked their EM places and then failed to match into EM but instead into their backup speciality? I know several people that failed to match EM at my school this year and last but i can't remember if they went AOA or ACGME
 
Seems like there is a lull right now for interview invites.
 
I actually hadn't realized it either till I looked it up. I'd heard that EM appears competitive, but is actually pretty well matched in terms of candidates😛ositions. I assumed that only applied to Allo, though, and from what I'd heard it was about 95% of candidates that matched EM. So yay! And yes, I keep hearing there are several new programs, but I actually have no idea which ones they are (except for Adena, I think). Any ideas?

Also, flawless execution on Mr. Lloyd Christmas' sage counsel.
Here's a list that got posted earlier:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=14453024&postcount=320

From what I've seen in the past, it does seem pretty well matched. I'm just concerned that I may be in that bottom 5%.



Haha, yup. That's why I'm spending the latter half of the year bouncing up and down the coastline. Although I didn't think we had much that's further South than Philly... guess I'm wondering which direction you're describing as 'up', haha.

Well, I drove from So. Cal. Unfortunately, my core EM was August to September, which limited my schedule prior to that. Then Western went and futzed up my next rotation... and I slightly failed to capitalize on it (granted, I would have had about a week to throw everything together with where to drive and shadowing... but still... :-( )
 
Seems like there is a lull right now for interview invites.

Place I'm rotating at now will be sending out interviews after the dean's letter is released. The place I rotated at before will be sending them out after ACEP. I imagine plenty of other places are doing the same.
 
Which places are those? If you don't mind me asking.
 
Could it be that people applied EM ranked their EM places and then failed to match into EM but instead into their backup speciality? I know several people that failed to match EM at my school this year and last but i can't remember if they went AOA or ACGME

Here's a list that got posted earlier:
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showpost.php?p=14453024&postcount=320

From what I've seen in the past, it does seem pretty well matched. I'm just concerned that I may be in that bottom 5%.

Well, I drove from So. Cal. Unfortunately, my core EM was August to September, which limited my schedule prior to that. Then Western went and futzed up my next rotation... and I slightly failed to capitalize on it (granted, I would have had about a week to throw everything together with where to drive and shadowing... but still... :-( )

Okay... long post coming. Sorry for this, but I'm sifting through a lot of data because that's what I do when I'm tired and stuck on something.

First of all, let me apologize for misreading the data. I read about the relatively even ratio in this excellent guide written last year, and when I skimmed the 2011 AOA GME Match Report, I guess I saw what I wanted to based on my preconceived notions. Upon rereading the report, it looks like there is not such a close ratio of positions to applicants. So my revised assessment of the DO EM match:

  • There were 317 applicants who listed EM as their first choice.
  • There were 216 EM PGY-1 positions available.
  • 209 applicants who listed EM as their first choice were matched into an EM program.
  • 5 applicants who listed a different specialty as their first choice were matched into an EM program.
  • The remaining 2 positions are unaccounted for; I'm not sure if they were filled in the scramble or left unfilled.
  • The remaining 103 applicants who listed EM as their first choice are also unaccounted for; I'm assuming they either matched into a combined program or a 'fallback' specialty, or scrambled, or went to the MD match, or couldn't find anything at all.
  • Combined FM/EM: 7 positions, 9 ranked it as their first choice. 4 of those 9 matched FM/EM; the other three positions were filled by applicants who ranked other specialties first.
  • Combined IM/EM: 20 positions, 15 ranked it as their first choice. 9 of those matched IM/EM; 3 other positions were filled by applicants who ranked other specialties first, while 8 positions remained unfilled. 😕

So as of two years ago, out of everyone who put an EM program at the top of their rank list, about two thirds matched into an EM program, along with five people who didn't have EM at the top. There's probably some mingling with the combined programs (some of those five probably ranked those first, and those who ranked a combined program lower but matched there were probably EM-focused applicants).

Now, it's possible that some of these people liked EM enough to rank it first, but had other specialties that they were interested in, as well. The report discusses the number of consecutive programs in a specialty ranked by applicants who matched in that specialty:

  • While EM-specific data are not given, in general, applicants who matched into a specialty other than their first choice only ranked 2.12 programs in their top specialty before ranking programs in a different specialty.
  • The successful EM applicant ranked an average of 4.52 EM programs at the top of their list before either ending their list or ranking a program in a different specialty. This is more programs ranked than the average across all specialties (3.52).
  • Those who did not match anywhere (applicants to all specialties) ranked only 3.25 programs in their top-choice specialty.

So if you're really set on EM, it's to your advantage to rank a lot of programs, but it might not be that much of an advantage.

How will things look this year? It's hard to say, and missing the last two years of data makes it hard to predict a trend (glares at AOA/NMS). However, a few trends to consider, with limited data from here:

  • From the post above, there are 6 new DO EM programs starting in 2013, with about 37 new positions. This gives a total of about 259 positions (20% increase vs. 2011).
  • No EM-specific data, but overall, in 2011 there were 2212 applicants to NMS.
  • In 2013 there were 2512 applicants to NMS, a 14% increase over 2011.

So while there are more spots available this year, that is partially offset by an increase in the overall number of applicants. EM is also becoming more popular, which might further increase the number of applicants to the specialty. How much is it growing? Well, we're off to another source, this one from the NRMP. Who provides much more detailed information. And doesn't have to spend a year and a half putting together the damn report. Anyway, it's not NMS data, but it presumably reflects a similar shift in the popularity of EM:

  • In 2011, there were 1607 EM spots in the NRMP. 2230 applicants ranked at least one EM program.
  • 177 DOs matched into ACGME EM programs.
  • In 2013, there were 1744 EM spots in the NRMP. 2430 applicants ranked at least one EM program.
  • 178 DOs matched into ACGME EM programs.

So on the MD side, there was a 9.0% increase in applicants to EM, while the number of positions grew by 8.5%. So a small increase, and proportionate to the number of available positions. This is relative to a 12% overall increase in NRMP participation since 2011. So the increase in interest in EM is about 75% of the overall increase in applications.

I'm seeing one last question: is there an effect caused by DOs shifting from the NMS to the NRMP when seeking EM positions? It's hard to say, as the number of DO applicants to MD EM isn't listed. However, on all-specialties level, NMS lists "non-participants" (a low estimate, as it doesn't include those participating in both matches), and NRMP lists "Independent Applicants" (a very high estimate, as it includes FMGs). Still:

  • NMS claims 2114 non-participants in 2011, vs. 2484 in 2013 (18% increase).
  • (The proportion of non-participants has fluctuated between 46-49% over the last 5 years; it's hard to see this number have a drastically different effect than in years past.)
  • NRMP claims 2178 DOs in the match overall in 2011, vs. 2677 in 2013 (23% increase).
  • NRMP shows 748 IAs to EM in 2011, vs. 790 in 2013 (5.6% increase).

So while the overall number of DOs participating in NRMP has increased by about 20%, the number applying for EM has increased only slightly. My guess is that DOs are realizing how tough it is to get into EM from this side of the fence, and are focusing on getting into AOA programs instead. That may mean an increase in the number of applicants to DO EM greater than expected. Alternate hypotheses include FMGs giving up on EM completely and the possibility that EM's popularity is inexplicably lower among DO students. Regardless, this effect is hard to quantify.

Okay... enough of that crap. Let's run some numbers. How many positions are we looking at, and how many applicants?

Positions we covered. Looking at 259, give or take a few. Hopefully give, as established programs may have expanded.

Applicants: We'll start with the number of applicants in 2011 (317). Increase it by our projected overall growth in the number of DO applicants (14% in two years, assume 21% in three). Assume the growth rate in EM interest is about 3/4 that of the overall growth rate, based on projection from NRMP data.

317 + {[(3/4) x 0.21] x 317} = 367 applicants

So we're looking at about 367 applicants. Maybe that number goes a little higher if it's true that fewer DOs are seeking ACGME opportunities in EM relative to other specialties, and wind up applying to AOA programs instead. Let's just call it an even 375.

So our revised numbers are about 375 applicants for about 259 spots, for a potential match rate of 69%. So it looks like with the new programs, our chances are actually slightly better than they were a couple years ago.

Takeaways:
  • I am tired.
  • The recent burst of new programs will likely outweigh the potential increase in applications.
  • EM is still less competitive than almost any other specialty that fills all spots.
  • We're not quite sure what happens to the 30% who rank EM first but don't match in it.
  • Rank a lot of programs and nail your interviews.
  • NMS/AOA need to hire an intern who knows how to use Excel. No excuse for not having 2012 data out by now, or even 2013 at this point.
 
Well, I drove from So. Cal. Unfortunately, my core EM was August to September, which limited my schedule prior to that. Then Western went and futzed up my next rotation... and I slightly failed to capitalize on it (granted, I would have had about a week to throw everything together with where to drive and shadowing... but still... :-( )

Good old Western. And yeah, I drove from Oregon, but I only had four days. Still, it was nice to see some places while I was driving by. "Oh, hey, Ohio looks inhabitable after all!" You know. Stuff like that.
 
Conemaugh Memorial - Johnstown, PA
St. Joseph - Warren, OH
Arrowhead Regional Medical Center - Colton, CA
Inspira Health - Vineland NJ
Ohio Valley - Wheeling, WV
Doctors Hospital - Columbus OH
St. Barnabas - Bronx, NY
St. James - Olympia Fields, IL
Kent - Warwick, RI
Sparrow - Lansing, MI
Upmc hamot - Erie, PA
Lakeland - St. Joseph, MI
St. Joseph - NJ
St. Mary - MI
Albert Einstein - Philadelphia, PA
Adena Health System - Chillicothe, OH
SOMC - Portsmouth, OH
St. Luke's - Bethlehem, PA
Mount Sinai - Miami Beach, FL
Lehigh Valley - Allentown, PA
St. Vincent - Erie, PA
Marietta Memorial - Marietta, OH
McLaren Oakland (POH) - Pontiac, MI


POH actually called to schedule the interview... wasn't expecting that and only answered because it was from an area code I recognized. So if you see a random number from Michigan calling, you may want to answer if you applied there


So our revised numbers are about 375 applicants for about 259 spots, for a potential match rate of 69%. So it looks like with the new programs, our chances are actually slightly better than they were a couple years ago.

Takeaways:
  • We're not quite sure what happens to the 30% who rank EM first but don't match in it.
  • Rank a lot of programs and nail your interviews.

I find it hard to believe 30% of first choice applicants do not match EM. Only way I can make sense of it are people who intentionally rank 1-2 programs with preference towards ACGME programs. Totally agree with ranking a fair number of programs - 10-15+? Of the maybe 10-15 people I have met who didn't match EM, most of them unintentionally suicide ranked 1-2 competitive places because they were "assured" a spot.
 
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Conemaugh Memorial - Johnstown, PA
St. Joseph - Warren, OH
Arrowhead Regional Medical Center - Colton, CA
Inspira Health - Vineland NJ
Ohio Valley - Wheeling, WV
Doctors Hospital - Columbus OH
St. Barnabas - Bronx, NY
St. James - Olympia Fields, IL
Kent - Warwick, RI
Sparrow - Lansing, MI
Upmc hamot - Erie, PA
Lakeland - St. Joseph, MI
St. Joseph - NJ
St. Mary - MI
Albert Einstein - Philadelphia, PA
Adena Health System - Chillicothe, OH
SOMC - Portsmouth, OH
St. Luke's - Bethlehem, PA
Mount Sinai - Miami Beach, FL
Lehigh Valley - Allentown, PA
St. Vincent - Erie, PA
Marietta Memorial - Marietta, OH
McLaren Oakland (POH) - Pontiac, MI


POH actually called to schedule the interview... wasn't expecting that and only answered because it was from an area code I recognized. So if you see a random number from Michigan calling, you may want to answer if you applied there




I find it hard to believe 30% of first choice applicants do not match EM. Only way I can make sense of it are people who intentionally rank 1-2 programs with preference towards ACGME programs. Totally agree with ranking a fair number of programs - 10-15+? Of the maybe 10-15 people I have met who didn't match EM, most of them unintentionally suicide ranked 1-2 competitive places because they were "assured" a spot.

I think it's a mix of those two things. Supposedly in the class of 2012 at my school a few guys had the same thing happen(folks promising them a spot and falling for it and not matching)
 
I find it hard to believe 30% of first choice applicants do not match EM. Only way I can make sense of it are people who intentionally rank 1-2 programs with preference towards ACGME programs. Totally agree with ranking a fair number of programs - 10-15+? Of the maybe 10-15 people I have met who didn't match EM, most of them unintentionally suicide ranked 1-2 competitive places because they were "assured" a spot.

Again, I'll direct you to the source I cited, page 7. Like I said, it's hard to figure out from just the numbers what happens to that other 30%, but I do hope you're right, and that these are just people who rank a couple of AOA programs they really like before moving on to ACGME. From that fifth set of bullet points in my post, it looks like there were about 200 DO's who did both matches last year. While EM isn't a huge portion of the match overall, it does make sense that a disproportionate fraction of those 200 are applying to EM, as a chance to be out of residency a year earlier is a pretty hefty incentive above and beyond what most DO students are looking for in the ACGME world.

Question is, though, does that account for everyone? That's 103 who didn't match in 2011. Assume a couple of them got the two empty spots in the scramble, and another 15-20 went into the FM-EM/IM-EM programs. Still about 75 unaccounted for, and in 2011 it looks like only 64 did both matches (it looks like there were 950 who either withdrew or did not submit a rank list, so presumably they successfully matched AOA and are not the droids we're looking for). Even if EM is over-represented, how high of an estimate are we willing to say for those guys, when EM is 9% of AOA positions and 7% of ACGME positions? I mean, let's be generous and say 15. Still leaves about 50 that applied EM with no other place to land. I hope this group is composed of people who were undecided about their specialty, and that they are happy in another specialty.

And frankly, unless you're a rockstar with tons of options, I'd rank everywhere you could reasonably expect to rank you (i.e. interviews). Maybe you thought the program was ****ty, but unless it's ****tier than the prospect of scrambling into an FM residency in BFE, it's better to have it at the bottom of your list than not.
 
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