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Hey guys - so I'm planning to watch "The Cove" which is a documentary that revolves around animal cruelty, specifically dolphin trade and harvesting. Just doing a simple Google search, there seems to be a great deal of protest against marine mammal captivity (i.e. orcas, dolphins, etc.)

Has anyone ever looked into this issue/done some research into it? Some argue that these zoos/parks do not provide enough stimulation, proper housing, or care for these animals (i.e. tanks that bounce the animals own echo-location back to themselves which ultimately drives them crazy, small tanks, over-stress from music and crowd interactions).

I've worked at an aquarium for a few months and the keepers are caring for the animals 24/7. I can understand where people feel it's unfair for these animals to be kept in finite tanks, but given the circumstances, the animal probably won't survive in the wild. But I definitely don't have enough experience/knowledge to make any conclusions.

I guess I'm looking for any concrete scientific arguments on how captivity can be harmful or maybe innocuous.
 
there was a pretty gory thread about this last april/may. ended up being similar to vegetarians vs. food animal threads if i remember correctly.
 
This thread is from a while back, but it discusses some of the concerns you have:

http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=704920&highlight=orca

Summary of my own position:
--I think that most aquarium facilities that I have seen do not have adequate facilities to house cetaceans in a way that meets their welfare requirements.
--Many of these cetaceans remain from a time when it was legal to collect wild marine mammals (which is not legal anymore due to the Marine Mammal Protection act) or were bred in captivity --in either of those cases, it is likely that they are not candidates for wild reintroduction.
--Since these animals cannot be released, and if there is evidence that enrichment --including performance in shows-- lowers stress levels and seems to improve the wellbeing of these animals (I think there is, but I don't have time to do a lit review right now) it seems appropriate that these shows continue.
--The education value and encouragement towards public conservation efforts is another plus side of having performances.

In short, if the animals receive the best care possible under the circumstances, if their wellbeing is closely monitored by trainers and vets and is apparently improved by the high levels of interaction, and if the shows are geared towards education, I think there is reason for them to continue. That said, I will repeat that aquariums generally cannot provide an adequate environment for cetaceans, based on our current knowledge of the order. It is my hope that the aquariums currently possessing marine mammals continue doing the best they can for both the animal and for education, but discontinue breeding programs so as to phase out cetacean captivity.
 
A friend and I were talking about this a little while ago. After watching The Cove, I was under the impression that it was legal to collect pretty much anything that wasn't a whale. It's been a number of months since I watched the movie though. So in The Cove, selling the dolphins is illegal and yet people are still snatching them up anyway? 😕 I was just under the impression based on the movie that it was still okay. A quick google search though told me that the act was put in place in the 70s. Geesh.

Just a warning about the movie... when I showed the movie to the friend, I had to leave the room the goriest part.
 
The Marine Mammal Protection Act is a part of U.S. law, and I believe the events in The Cove take place in Japan. While Japan is currently a member of the International Whaling Commission (the body that governs whaling practices and which instated the current moratorium on commercial whaling), they do openly continue to harvest cetaceans. The reason Japan is able to do this within IWC guidelines is that their legitimate whaling practices are conducted through their Institute of Cetacean Research. The claim is that the animals are being harvested for scientific study (and perhaps they are) but the meat may then be legally sold to markets, as it is part of the country's traditional fare.

That all is the legal side of it. I haven't seen The Cove, but from what I know of national and international laws governing cetacean harvest I believe that the hunts documented in that film were illegal by both Japanese and IWC standards. I would guess that they were allowed to continue as an under-the-table operation.
 
The impression I got from The Cove was that while the film-makers would prefer dolphins to remain free in the wild, the core issue was that in Japan (or at least in Taiji), dolphins were being killed even though their meat could not be legally sold because of the toxic mercury levels (in the doc they say the dolphin meat is repackaged and marketed as "whale meat"). Less of a dolphin captivity (though Ric O'Barry is certainly in major proponent of that) and more of a "senseless killing" issue, imo.
 
Thanks for the replies everyone! Helps me gain a good grasp of what I should keep in mind during the film and what I should prepare for when watching it!

Just a warning about the movie... when I showed the movie to the friend, I had to leave the room the goriest part.

Ahhh - that's something I've always struggled with in terms of "witnessing" animal gore. I force myself to watch surgery demonstrations and episodes of Animal Cops :whoa:
 
really didn't want to get in the middle of the captive cetacean thing from before, but this is something i could address... (esp since cat sitting during springbreak doesn't motivate me to study at all).

The Marine Mammal Protection Act is a part of U.S. law, and I believe the events in The Cove take place in Japan. While Japan is currently a member of the International Whaling Commission (the body that governs whaling practices and which instated the current moratorium on commercial whaling), they do openly continue to harvest cetaceans. The reason Japan is able to do this within IWC guidelines is that their legitimate whaling practices are conducted through their Institute of Cetacean Research.

That, and the IWC itself even says that the wording of the convention (i.e. the protection of "whales") makes it difficult. Because some gov'ts take that to mean all cetaceans while others take it to mean only the whales listed as a guideline in the convention, where dolphins aren't listed. I guess Taiji was a whaling village before the convention went into effect. And somehow afterwards, they decided to shift their focus on dolphins after they couldn't hunt whales anymore. Tell me if this is incorrect, but my guess is that the purpose of dolphin hunting is to capture and sell some to non-US countries for entertainment (I mean, if the meat can't be consumed... and I've never heard of dolphin meat... there's gotta be an economic incentive right?)? That's a separate issue I think than the research whaling going on (which is obviously driven by the consumption of whale meat). Now, I have no idea why anyone would ever want to bludgeon dolphins or whales or baby seals... but then I've never been to these little villages in japan or canada so I don't understand the motivation behind it either.

But I can say that there's a huge group of middle aged- to old people population in Japan who are die hard fans of whale meat. I'm pretty sure it was a marketing ploy similar to what I've heard of the Korean dog meat business that's making it thrive now. Back in WWII or so, whale meat was the disgusting meat that everyone had to eat (think: yucky school lunch that kids dreaded) because that was the only food available. Once that was over with and people started to thrive, no one needed to eat whale meat anymore... which was when it was delicacy-tized so the whaling industry wouldn't go down. Now a subset of the population is very protective of their "right" to eat it. At least that's what I've heard anyway, and it makes sense at least from the stories I hear about the yuckiness of whale meat back in the post-war era from the old people I know.

Since Japan is an island nation that's historically relied on the ocean for their food source, ocean products are heavily ingrained in their diet culturally. With the relatively large population of Japan now, their heavy consumption of ocean products in general is a huge threat to many many ecosystems around the world. So people there hear it all the time, both externally and internally, that their diet is wreaking havoc on the rest of the world (not just nature, but esp the people in 3rd world countries). A lot of people are very cognizant of that... and feel awful about it, but don't really know how to change anything. They're generally pretty conscientious people, and most people do what they can, so things like recycling and such are very advanced over there. But what to do about diet? That's something that's really hard to change. So I think there's that guilt element that makes people feel edgy about their diet in general (and you know how some people can't help getting defensive when their morals are being called into question). Sometimes it seems like they can't eat most of what they would like to eat, because it threatens spp, as commercial fishing in Japan itself is a threat. Some people don't see whale meat all that different from the commercial fishing issue in general (tuna is going to go extinct, etc...). For others, the whole whale thing just causes them to fall off the deep end. There are some people (the mid to old people who love whale meat) who can't see past it being an accusation by foreigners on their culture. And the crazy Whale Wars people really help perpetuate that, and draws attention away from the real issue at hand (no joke).

The obvious thing is that regulations really need to be addressed and tightened. Like, the IWC needs to redefine whales to mean all cetaceans if dolphin hunting needs to be ended. And the whole research thing needs to be addressed. It's really bogus to make an internal org to "regulate" a bad deed to get out of an international agreement. My younger sister researches with captive cetaceans in Hawaii, and there's absolutely no way that IACUC would EVER allow a study involving the killing of hundreds of any wild animal, much less threatened spp, just to study stomach content and such here. Any study like that is done on beached animals (that they will try to rescue first of course). The captive cetaceans for their research is treated like kings, and have a full time trainer/animal and a bunch of students to cater to their every need. Even that's controversial.

That being said, changing regulations is much easier said than done. There's only so much you can push in international relations. Even though Japan is a strong ally to much of the western world, there are other serious issues that always seems to come first (and rightly so). There are still many cultural clashes that always threaten relations. People in Japan generally resent the presence of US military over there, and that's a huge issue pissing a lot of people off. The US and Japan are always quarreling over food importation (Japan needs to import but wants better food safety, US wants to export but believes their food is safe enough and don't want to comply). There's enough tension from things like the above, that can really result in highly adverse outcomes... that at the end of the day, whales end up being not important enough to warrant straining relations further (because sadly, it will big time). Very sad, but very true. I think the dolphin thing is a bit easier to change though, as it really isn't a national problem and I don't think the population at large is at all attached to the idea of killing dolphins. That's not a cultural thing that extends throughout the nation, like it is with whale meat.
 
Ahhh - that's something I've always struggled with in terms of "witnessing" animal gore. I force myself to watch surgery demonstrations and episodes of Animal Cops :whoa:

It's not really the gore that I'm talking about. The first time I watched it, I started bawling like a baby when the credits came on. When I went to watch it again, I found myself wanting to cry just thinking about what was coming up. So I left the room.
 
Kind of off topic, but not really.

Just found out that Knut the polar bear died at the age of 4. I couldn't remember why he was famous, so I did a quick google search.

- Product on incest
- Rejected by his mother (his brother died)
- Hand-raised by a keeper (guess that's what made him famous)
- Suffered from a lot of psychological issues

And now he's dead and they have no idea why.
 
Kind of off topic, but not really.

Just found out that Knut the polar bear died at the age of 4. I couldn't remember why he was famous, so I did a quick google search.

- Product on incest
- Rejected by his mother (his brother died)
- Hand-raised by a keeper (guess that's what made him famous)
- Suffered from a lot of psychological issues

And now he's dead and they have no idea why.

He died yesterday. Necropsy scheduled for Monday - lets postpone that discussion until we have a little more information on what actually happened, not blind conjecture.
 
I doubt he keeled over from psychological issues so the autopsy thing isn't really relevant. Just merely stated that he was bred in captivity and supposedly suffered psychological issues because he didn't have the room to roam, like a natural polar bear would. Which is quite like the case of rearing dolphins in captivity. When I googled about it, that's what was mentioned in the first couple of articles that came up.
 
Knuuuuuuuuuttttt! So many cute songs sung by children were created for you!

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MH0MTAdkisM[/YOUTUBE]
 
I personally know many people who work with dolphins and other marine mammals. I've seen The Cove and I support their cause against the dolphin slaughter but, some of the things they/supporters say about dolphin captivity simply are not true. I've never seen any trainer or keeper force an animal to do a trick or show. There's a reason it's called positive reinforcement.

Also, dolphins in the United States are not wild caught anymore. They're captive bred or they are rescues which are unable to survive in the wild anymore.
 
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