Oucom vs Touro NY

[lm1120]

What would u choose? and why?

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[JeetKuneDo]

What would u choose?

I haven't researched anything of OUCOM (except good tuition), and most of what I've heard of Touro is negative. However, Touro is in NYC, so thumbs up to that.

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

To me it would really come down to:

1. Are you an Ohio resident?

if not

2. Do you have any problem signing the 5 year contract to stay in Ohio?

If I was a resident or fine with signing the contract I would choose Ohio. Otherwise Touro-NY

 

[angryazn88]

I haven't researched anything of OUCOM (except good tuition), and most of what I've heard of Touro is negative. However, Touro is in NYC, so thumbs up to that.

im from nyc and i went to school not too far from Touro-NY. my premed advisor warned me and told me not to apply because theres a lot of negative things that have happened there too recently. just from all these negative things ive learned about, i would automatically choose the other school.

comon man, im from nyc and i didnt even apply to it!! it shows theres something wrong with that place. plus, have you seen the area? im used to harlem but you might not be used to the streets of new york!!! its dangerous at night especially in the subway stations

 

[JeetKuneDo]

im from nyc and i went to school not too far from Touro-NY. my premed advisor warned me and told me not to apply because theres a lot of negative things that have happened there too recently. just from all these negative things ive learned about, i would automatically choose the other school.

comon man, im from nyc and i didnt even apply to it!! it shows theres something wrong with that place. plus, have you seen the area? im used to harlem but you might not be used to the streets of new york!!! its dangerous at night especially in the subway stations

Yeah, it's just the allure of nyc that had me voting for Touro. I'm planning on applying next cycle, but the one thing of TOURO-NYC that really has me wondering is the building itself. Have you visited the school? I can only find one pic of outside of the school and nothing of the inside facilities. The school is right above some shops.


I've read that the inside is nice and modern though.

 

[Razmatazz]

Yeah, it's just the allure of nyc that had me voting for Touro. I'm planning on applying next cycle, but the one thing of TOURO-NYC that really has me wondering is the building itself. Have you visited the school? I can only find one pic of outside of the school and nothing of the inside facilities. The school is right above some shops.


I've read that the inside is nice and modern though.

One of the few advantages of a new school is that the facilities are new (at least the inside). The classrooms + anatomy lab are really nice and there is generally a lot of technology (TV's video cameras, etc).

 

[Razmatazz]

im from nyc and i went to school not too far from Touro-NY. my premed advisor warned me and told me not to apply because theres a lot of negative things that have happened there too recently. just from all these negative things ive learned about, i would automatically choose the other school.

comon man, im from nyc and i didnt even apply to it!! it shows theres something wrong with that place. plus, have you seen the area? im used to harlem but you might not be used to the streets of new york!!! its dangerous at night especially in the subway stations

Harlem isn't as bad as it once was...and in what city are you safe at night in the subways? You need to be smart and aware of your surroundings but that goes for a lot of cities. I think Touro offers a security escort to the subway station if you don't feel safe at night.

 

[SML67]

I haven't researched anything of OUCOM (except good tuition), and most of what I've heard of Touro is negative. However, Touro is in NYC, so thumbs up to that.

Feel free to share exactly what this means.

im from nyc and i went to school not too far from Touro-NY. my premed advisor warned me and told me not to apply because theres a lot of negative things that have happened there too recently. just from all these negative things ive learned about, i would automatically choose the other school.

comon man, im from nyc and i didnt even apply to it!! it shows theres something wrong with that place. plus, have you seen the area? im used to harlem but you might not be used to the streets of new york!!! its dangerous at night especially in the subway stations

Awesome perspective, bro.


Seriously guys? Do you pass judgment based on word of mouth without actually investigating it yourself? Did you visit the school? Hear a presentation about it? Do ANY research into the school at all? Touro has a pretty darn good rep in education world...oh, not to mention they have THREE osteopathic schools across the country.

Go to OUCOM- Touro doesn't need your attitude anyway.

 

[JeetKuneDo]

Feel free to share exactly what this means.

It means exactly what I wrote: Most of what I heard about Touro is negative.

I didn't say that it was a bad school or a good school. I'm just stating that I've personally found on SDN that most reviews weren't amazing. However, there were also some that were pretty good. And yes, I have done some research into the school.

 

[angryazn88]

It means exactly what I wrote: Most of what I heard about Touro is negative.

I didn't say that it was a bad school or a good school. I'm just stating that I've personally found on SDN that most reviews weren't amazing. However, there were also some that were pretty good. And yes, I have done some research into the school.

Yeah, we're just putting in the feedback we've received about this school. I'm not saying all the Touro's have this negativity around it.

I encourage you to go there and check it out. For me, its not worth the trouble. I believe what these people are telling me about this school. There's a reason so many people aren't happy with it. And yes, a representative came by to my school during the DO fair they have in October.... and yeah, the rep wasn't very good at selling his school when people asked him about the quitting of professors last year.

 

[aspiringOSTEO]

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[lm1120]

yes im a resident. Personally, I think Oucom is a better school but I think Touro Ny can give me a better experience, more diverse surroundings and it would be a life lesson not just medical school. What I'm contemplating is if the benefits of living in a diverse setting is worth giving up going to a better school. I mean in the end we are all going to be doctors right? does it really matter?

 

[Hottpants89]

If you're a resident and want to go to a good school I would choose OU.

If you want to be robbed/carjacked/shot at I would choose Touro.

In my opinion it is not worth giving up in-state tuition and the knowledge that you are at a good school for a little more diversity or life experience. You can get that in your residencies if you want. You will be too busy studying to get much life experience anyways.

 

[SML67]

I know we are all headed to medical school to learn and blah blah blah....but OUCOM is at Ohio University which is in Athens, Ohio where some of the craziest parties in the world happen. If you have not heard or been a part of the Athens Halloween party then you have not lived....

gl in med school, you're going to need it.

If you're a resident and want to go to a good school I would choose OU.

If you want to be robbed/carjacked/shot at I would choose Touro.

In my opinion it is not worth giving up in-state tuition and the knowledge that you are at a good school for a little more diversity or life experience. You can get that in your residencies if you want. You will be too busy studying to get much life experience anyways.

Clearly you know nothing about modern-day Harlem. This statement is quite laughable, actually. Awesome stereotyping, bro.


The problem with these polls is that when you pit two schools against each other, you can't have someone else answer the question for you. It's a subjective question and you have to decide for yourself. This thread will probably end up being a worthless pile of garbage with people spewing negative things about Touro without having any justification for their false, idiotic claims. After all, is there a school out there that DOESN'T have any faults? Doubt it.

 

[MLT2MT2DO]

yes im a resident. Personally, I think Oucom is a better school but I think Touro Ny can give me a better experience, more diverse surroundings and it would be a life lesson not just medical school. What I'm contemplating is if the benefits of living in a diverse setting is worth giving up going to a better school. I mean in the end we are all going to be doctors right? does it really matter?

With this new piece of information this is a no-brainer. Go to OUCOM for cheaper tuition and a better school. If you want to serve the diverse patient population New York has, aim for a good RESIDENCY in New York.

 

[Hottpants89]

gl in med school, you're going to need it.



Clearly you know nothing about modern-day Harlem. This statement is quite laughable, actually. Awesome stereotyping, bro.


The problem with these polls is that when you pit two schools against each other, you can't have someone else answer the question for you. It's a subjective question and you have to decide for yourself. This thread will probably end up being a worthless pile of garbage with people spewing negative things about Touro without having any justification for their false, idiotic claims. After all, is there a school out there that DOESN'T have any faults? Doubt it.

I didn't say that I thought OU was a better school. He said that he thinks it is, and I said that if you think that you should go there.

 

[aspiringOSTEO]

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[SML67]

lol, doucher alert. Sorry for having a little bit of fun in undergrad. Head back to your cave now, SDN is pulling you away from your studies. I think I will be fine, time management my friend, time management......

I was just trying to point out that your argument for OUCOM was based on the fact that it's an awesome party school. That, and all of the negative things said about Touro in this thread have been either vague or have had no justification. Harlem continues to be stereotyped as a bad neighborhood, when in reality it is far from what it used to be. As someone who lived in the city I can attest to that. This is all I was trying to convey.

But I'll head back to my cave, now.

 

[drctother]

Alright I need to say my piece. First off, I know nothing about OUCOM nor do I plan to apply there. But I can talk about Touro, as I recently interviewed there.

The stereotyping on this thread is ridiculous. Shot/robbed at night? Im a small white male and I roamed Harlem late at night for 3 nights straight (I made a trip out of interview). While I did feel uncomfortable at times, in no way did I feel my safety was in jeopardy. Sure I got looked at weird, but that was it. If you people feel that way, you are paranoid...which is fine. But there is a fine line between being paranoid and "overly safe", and I am feeling people are acting more paranoid off of stereotypes.

Pros:
-New facility, nice labs. Building is huge and all new. Pictures from outside is NOT representative of inside! Its NYC, you can get from one end to the other in 15 mins on subway!!! And no your not gonna get robbed unless you are holding a handful of 100 dollar bills, a mac labtop, and the keys to a BMW. And if you would do that, you are stupid enough you deserve to be robbed. You DO NOT have to live in Harlem. I thought it was gonna be hard to get around but once I got there I realized how easy it is to get places. Upper east side and upper west side are both "yuppy" or "middle to upper class" apartments. Both are a 10 minute bus ride away
-They actually give a crap about the community, straight up. I know 50% of people going into medicine aren't actually going into it for the right reasons but if this is actually important to you, I encourage Touro.
-Nice faculty. Some came from top hospitals (ones who interviewed me did)
-Its new, so by time you get to rotations there will be a lot more and better rotations

Cons:
-Area...but I dont even know if this is a con since its so small. Obviously there isnt bentleys and Jaguars surrounding the school but if thats what you are into, shame on you because it shows you want the money.
-If you were a 3rd/4th year med student NOW it would be a con. rotations as of right now are only OK, not good, not bad. Again as I said, they are really working towards getting more

Anyway those are my thoughts, good luck on choosing

 

[UBCvan]

Alright I need to say my piece. First off, I know nothing about OUCOM nor do I plan to apply there. But I can talk about Touro, as I recently interviewed there.

The stereotyping on this thread is ridiculous. Shot/robbed at night? Im a small white male and I roamed Harlem late at night for 3 nights straight (I made a trip out of interview). While I did feel uncomfortable at times, in no way did I feel my safety was in jeopardy. Sure I got looked at weird, but that was it. If you people feel that way, you are paranoid...which is fine. But there is a fine line between being paranoid and "overly safe", and I am feeling people are acting more paranoid off of stereotypes.

Pros:
-New facility, nice labs. Building is huge and all new. Pictures from outside is NOT representative of inside! Its NYC, you can get from one end to the other in 15 mins on subway!!! And no your not gonna get robbed unless you are holding a handful of 100 dollar bills, a mac labtop, and the keys to a BMW. And if you would do that, you are stupid enough you deserve to be robbed. You DO NOT have to live in Harlem. I thought it was gonna be hard to get around but once I got there I realized how easy it is to get places. Upper east side and upper west side are both "yuppy" or "middle to upper class" apartments. Both are a 10 minute bus ride away
-They actually give a crap about the community, straight up. I know 50% of people going into medicine aren't actually going into it for the right reasons but if this is actually important to you, I encourage Touro.
-Nice faculty. Some came from top hospitals (ones who interviewed me did)
-Its new, so by time you get to rotations there will be a lot more and better rotations

Cons:
-Area...but I dont even know if this is a con since its so small. Obviously there isnt bentleys and Jaguars surrounding the school but if thats what you are into, shame on you because it shows you want the money.
-If you were a 3rd/4th year med student NOW it would be a con. rotations as of right now are only OK, not good, not bad. Again as I said, they are really working towards getting more

Anyway those are my thoughts, good luck on choosing

I Laughed Out Loud for real

 

[Longshanks]

If you're a resident and want to go to a good school I would choose OU.

If you want to be robbed/carjacked/shot at I would choose Touro.

In my opinion it is not worth giving up in-state tuition and the knowledge that you are at a good school for a little more diversity or life experience. You can get that in your residencies if you want. You will be too busy studying to get much life experience anyways.

I'm admittedly known on here to have a bias against Touro, but as a New Yorker I'm offended by that statement. That statement is completely ludicrous, unfounded, and racist. East Harlem has changed a lot over the years, and following with the trends of the rest of the city has become a safe area. NYC is the safest city in the world. Despite all the chest puffing and hard guy acting that goes on, crime is ridiculously low in NYC compared to other cities, and when you look at it on a per capita basis its clearly demonstrated that crimes, and especially violent crimes, are one of the lowest rates.

I'm a white Polak and have walked through Harlem many a time past midnight without a single fear in the world. You have a better chance encountering or being the victim of a violent crime in a dozen other US cities (Philly, New Orleans, Detroit, Richmond) and nearly every single European city than New York City, and even when looking at individual neighborhoods Harlem has less crime than all of those places.

Maybe you should try experiencing New York before making such a ridiculous blatantly racist comment.

 

[Pisiform]

I'm admittedly known on here to have a bias against Touro, but as a New Yorker I'm offended by that statement. That statement is completely ludicrous, unfounded, and racist. East Harlem has changed a lot over the years, and following with the trends of the rest of the city has become a safe area. NYC is the safest city in the world. Despite all the chest puffing and hard guy acting that goes on, crime is ridiculously low in NYC compared to other cities, and when you look at it on a per capita basis its clearly demonstrated that crimes, and especially violent crimes, are one of the lowest rates.

I'm a white Polak and have walked through Harlem many a time past midnight without a single fear in the world. You have a better chance encountering or being the victim of a violent crime in a dozen other US cities (Philly, New Orleans, Detroit, Richmond) and nearly every single European city than New York City, and even when looking at individual neighborhoods Harlem has less crime than all of those places.

Maybe you should try experiencing New York before making such a ridiculous blatantly racist comment.

touche !

 

[Hottpants89]

I'm admittedly known on here to have a bias against Touro, but as a New Yorker I'm offended by that statement. That statement is completely ludicrous, unfounded, and racist. East Harlem has changed a lot over the years, and following with the trends of the rest of the city has become a safe area. NYC is the safest city in the world. Despite all the chest puffing and hard guy acting that goes on, crime is ridiculously low in NYC compared to other cities, and when you look at it on a per capita basis its clearly demonstrated that crimes, and especially violent crimes, are one of the lowest rates.

I'm a white Polak and have walked through Harlem many a time past midnight without a single fear in the world. You have a better chance encountering or being the victim of a violent crime in a dozen other US cities (Philly, New Orleans, Detroit, Richmond) and nearly every single European city than New York City, and even when looking at individual neighborhoods Harlem has less crime than all of those places.

Maybe you should try experiencing New York before making such a ridiculous blatantly racist comment.

I didn't say anything about race...that was all you. It was a joke because Harlem is famous for high crime rates. Not sure why you would assume that it had anything to do with race, but you're the only one who stereotyped anything like that.

 

[SML67]

I didn't say anything about race...that was all you. It was a joke because Harlem is famous for high crime rates. Not sure why you would assume that it had anything to do with race, but you're the only one who stereotyped anything like that.

Hmmm...possibly because everyone, including you, knows that Harlem is a predominantly black community?

Nice attempt at defending yourself, though.

And even if it was a "joke," it was in very poor taste.

 

[cliffhuxtableDO]

I didn't say anything about race...that was all you. It was a joke because Harlem is famous for high crime rates. Not sure why you would assume that it had anything to do with race, but you're the only one who stereotyped anything like that.

nice cop out.

 

[Hottpants89]

Ha ok. You guys are ridiculous. Anyone who looks at that and isn't already looking for an argument can see that its not a racist comment. You don't even know what race I am. Besides that, I have two adopted brothers who are black. If any of you knew anything about me you would have an idea how dumb this accusation is.

 

[dozitgetchahi]

I know we are all headed to medical school to learn and blah blah blah....but OUCOM is at Ohio University which is in Athens, Ohio where some of the craziest parties in the world happen. If you have not heard or been a part of the Athens Halloween party then you have not lived....

When I was going to Case some kid told me "dude, the Athens Halloween party is so crazy at least one person dies at every year - that means it's gotta be good".

All kidding aside, in this situation it's OUCOM by a mile...I know people going to Touro NY and the horror stories I've heard are enough to make me want to tell everyone to steer clear.

 

[cliffhuxtableDO]

When I was going to Case some kid told me "dude, the Athens Halloween party is so crazy at least one person dies at every year - that means it's gotta be good".

All kidding aside, in this situation it's OUCOM by a mile...I know people going to Touro NY and the horror stories I've heard are enough to make me want to tell everyone to steer clear.

do share

 

[aspiringOSTEO]

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[DrTnT]

I just interviewed at OUCOM and it was an awesome place in all areas... Newly renovated facilities (anatomy lab and Academic Research Center). The town (Athens) is relatively small but still large enough to have everything you need and with many options. The faculty and staff are super nice and genuinely so..
Additionally I just received an interview invite from Touro NY and I'm not sure if I will accept the interview on the basis that:
-OUCOM has a great reputation for producing responsible physicians and has been functioning since the 70's. The university itself was started in 1804 and is the first University established in Ohio.
-OUCOM tuition is much cheaper (I'm in State)
-OUCOM has multiple international opportunities
-OUCOM staff and students are all uber nice!
-TouroNY has only graduated 1 class
-OUCOM has multiple Buildings and TouroNY only has the top 4 floors of one building...

To me everything points toward OUCOM being the better choice

 

[DocEspana]

okay I'm going to now give you a perspective on crime.
1) NYC as a whole is the 3rd safest city in america.

2) someone talking about east harlem. Touro isn't in east harlem. Touro is in west-central (between 7th and 8th). There are 5 avenues west of it and 10 or 11 (depending on how you count) east of it. That should give you an idea of where it is since avenues are pretty much evenly spaced. east harlem is the 'spanish harlem'. its also a good distance away from the school. On the other hand, columbia university is 5.5 blocks from touroNY. Let me repeat this. You can walk 5.5 blocks from an enterance of touro and have you feet on the columbia main campus. People seem to forget that columbia is in Harlem proper. Very much so. Touro is in the same district that columbia is, west harlem. People in west harlem (which is a very gentrified area, despite still being majority black. You can have a classy area and not be bleached out) view east harlem as some crime-ridden warzone compared to west harlem. Which brings me to my 3rd point.

3) Touro is in the safer district west of east harlem. but lets say that you do decide to go into east harlem.... its safer than you think. Lets list some places where the *entire* city has a higher violent crime rate than east harlem: Boston, Oklahoma City, Milwaulkee and Minneapolis, Toledo, Tulsa, Nashville, Miami, Indianapolis, Philly, Cleveland, Buffalo. There are a whole bunch more, but i think my point has been made there. East Harlem is among the least safe places in NYC, but NYC is so damned safe that its only crime-ridden in comparison to how safe the rest of NYC is. When our single worst district is safer than your whole damn city averaged out, you know its pretty safe.

If you want you can follow the link to see me dismantle the "oh no, harlem is not safe, i have [outdated and mis-identified] pie charts!" argument here is a link.
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=784556

 

[DocEspana]

As for your specific situation: you live in Ohio. Go there. The cheap tuition should be all you need to know. If you didn't i'd whole heartedly sell touro. But why would you go if OU is nice and cheap for you especially.

as for everyone who keeps telling me they hear Touro horror stories, i go there and can tell you exactly what happened. We have a 'tale of two cities' going on. The school opened a year too early so 2011 got a pretty dinky education. 2012 was a 'need to improve immediately' class and as such the administration clamped down on them left and right.

2012 was full of a lot of people who are either 1) very prideful or 2) very immature (not neccessarily both though). The prideful people, right or wrong, fought back against the admin clamping down on them. This led to literally fighting with the admin which led to admin making their lives tougher than it needed to be. This is a very bad thing. But those people realized this was their own doing for literally fighting the admin and sort of kept their personal grudge out of the limelight. Unfortunately plenty of others, who were treated fine, were immature and felt that the world had to know what happened to their friends. These stories almost scared me off.

This brings me to 2013. The admin realized they needed to work with the class. We realized we disliked 2012 greatly for not trying to work with admin. 2013 has been treated with pretty much love. The admin has worked with us so well. We still disagree with them, but they usually *compromise* with us. And they tell us *why* things need to happen. And they bend over backwards to give us the academic opportunities we want (fire this doc, hire this one, get us this program, we want a kaplan teacher on the faculty). I can say that the admin, while still the same grumpy old men, have turned a new leaf since working with the students gets things done and people really love their time here from 2013 on.

I can only speak from observation on 2014, but they are having a similar time as 2013 did. They occasionally get a teacher angry by not showing up to classes and streaming lectures instead. Beyond that these guys have had our same overwhelmingly positive feelings on this.

I haven't seen a single bad thing about touro on these boards in the last 2 years. and thats because pretty much all the anger came from the 2011 and 2012 classes. I do want to say that both of those classes have complete right to be unhappy. 2011 shouldnt have had to go to a school that wasnt quite ready for them yet and 2012 was a pressure cooker where they had to be a class of super students and any signs of slacking were punished. That wasn't fair and they suffered through a tit for tat where them and the admin began a petty battle of who could get the last laugh.

Mind you, I'm not trying to sell the school. My feeling will remain that you def should be going to OU. But the arguments on here against it fall into three categories
1) people who've never been there very vaguely reference the next two points im going to make without being able to actually remember a single bit of it specifically.
2) students from previous classes who have plain out lied or exaggerated on SDN because bad PR on here was part of their way to get back at the admin or
3) honest to god fair representations of what happened to them, but they all leave out any context. These are important because we do need to answer to these. They happened, they're real. Context doesn't forgive them. But when they all have a context and a date it begins to make sense that it was all during a poor year for the school that has no reason to ever be replicated by the school again.

I would love to field questions on what you've heard about TouroNY. Field out the complete garbage from the "yea that happened" and the "that's not how it happened". An example would be all the teacher firings where everyone has heard many teachers have been fired. No one but current students seem to be aware that it was due to student feedback. We had so many extra doctors because we had extra faculty contracted from TouroAllopathic in hackensack that we fired whomever had the lower student ratings if there were two for the position. People ignored that it wasnt a mass firing, it was a mass hiring of the teachers we liked the most.

 

[LesBois88]

I just interviewed at OUCOM and it was an
-OUCOM has multiple Buildings and TouroNY only has the top 2 floors of one building...

No.

No, no, no.
We have floors 2-5 of a large building that spans a city block front to back and has entrances on both sides.

 

[GTP]

It's these "2 floor" comments that show just how thoroughly misinformed people are about TouroCOM. Props to Doc and LesBois for setting people straight!

 

[Postal]

No.

No, no, no.
We have floors 2-5 of a large building that spans a city block front to back and has entrances on both sides.

yeah, I was surprised at how large the inside actually was.

 

[Postal]

it's these "2 floor" comments that show just how thoroughly misinformed people are about tourocom. Props to doc and lesbois for setting people straight!

+1

 

[DrTnT]

Thanks for the clarifaction, tourony is 4 floors not 2....

 

[DocEspana]

Thanks for the clarifaction, tourony is 4 floors not 2....

hey, I'll put it this way. Its the biggest medical school facility (minus the hospital) I've toured. I know DO schools tend to be larger buildings than MDs, and I pretty much exclusively interviewed at MDs as Touro was my first DO interview and i accepted right away. But seriously, most medical schools are two lecture halls, a path room, a library and an anatomy room. I got really excited whenever I saw a student lounge and/or a gym.

4 floors with 3 of them 100% dedicated to academics and the fourth chock full of study rooms and student facilities? And the floors are half a city block long and one city block wide? And all the "extraneous admin" (aka non doctors) have been booted to a neighboring building to let us have more classroom space? It may not be huge (I saw PCOM recently, thats a big building) but it is definitely is a lot more than many schools offer and more than enough space to never ever deserve to be listed as a negative of the school.

now if you want to talk about how tiny it looks from the outside. Go right ahead. We complain about the outside of the building all the time ourselves.

 

[cliquesh]

OUCOM for sure unless you really want to live in NYC. OUCOM has the ONLY AOA Proctology program. If that isn't reason enough...I don't know what is..

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[DocEspana]

OUCOM for sure unless you really want to live in NYC. OUCOM has the ONLY AOA Proctology program. If that isn't reason enough...I don't know what is..

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+10 points for you sir.

 

[DrTnT]

As for your specific situation: you live in Ohio. Go there. The cheap tuition should be all you need to know. If you didn't i'd whole heartedly sell touro. But why would you go if OU is nice and cheap for you especially.

as for everyone who keeps telling me they hear Touro horror stories, i go there and can tell you exactly what happened. We have a 'tale of two cities' going on. The school opened a year too early so 2011 got a pretty dinky education. 2012 was a 'need to improve immediately' class and as such the administration clamped down on them left and right.

2012 was full of a lot of people who are either 1) very prideful or 2) very immature (not neccessarily both though). The prideful people, right or wrong, fought back against the admin clamping down on them. This led to literally fighting with the admin which led to admin making their lives tougher than it needed to be. This is a very bad thing. But those people realized this was their own doing for literally fighting the admin and sort of kept their personal grudge out of the limelight. Unfortunately plenty of others, who were treated fine, were immature and felt that the world had to know what happened to their friends. These stories almost scared me off.

This brings me to 2013. The admin realized they needed to work with the class. We realized we disliked 2012 greatly for not trying to work with admin. 2013 has been treated with pretty much love. The admin has worked with us so well. We still disagree with them, but they usually *compromise* with us. And they tell us *why* things need to happen. And they bend over backwards to give us the academic opportunities we want (fire this doc, hire this one, get us this program, we want a kaplan teacher on the faculty). I can say that the admin, while still the same grumpy old men, have turned a new leaf since working with the students gets things done and people really love their time here from 2013 on.

I can only speak from observation on 2014, but they are having a similar time as 2013 did. They occasionally get a teacher angry by not showing up to classes and streaming lectures instead. Beyond that these guys have had our same overwhelmingly positive feelings on this.

I haven't seen a single bad thing about touro on these boards in the last 2 years. and thats because pretty much all the anger came from the 2011 and 2012 classes. I do want to say that both of those classes have complete right to be unhappy. 2011 shouldnt have had to go to a school that wasnt quite ready for them yet and 2012 was a pressure cooker where they had to be a class of super students and any signs of slacking were punished. That wasn't fair and they suffered through a tit for tat where them and the admin began a petty battle of who could get the last laugh.

Mind you, I'm not trying to sell the school. My feeling will remain that you def should be going to OU. But the arguments on here against it fall into three categories
1) people who've never been there very vaguely reference the next two points im going to make without being able to actually remember a single bit of it specifically.
2) students from previous classes who have plain out lied or exaggerated on SDN because bad PR on here was part of their way to get back at the admin or
3) honest to god fair representations of what happened to them, but they all leave out any context. These are important because we do need to answer to these. They happened, they're real. Context doesn't forgive them. But when they all have a context and a date it begins to make sense that it was all during a poor year for the school that has no reason to ever be replicated by the school again.

I would love to field questions on what you've heard about TouroNY. Field out the complete garbage from the "yea that happened" and the "that's not how it happened". An example would be all the teacher firings where everyone has heard many teachers have been fired. No one but current students seem to be aware that it was due to student feedback. We had so many extra doctors because we had extra faculty contracted from TouroAllopathic in hackensack that we fired whomever had the lower student ratings if there were two for the position. People ignored that it wasnt a mass firing, it was a mass hiring of the teachers we liked the most.

You're right... I want to be part of a more established organization, but I can see how it would be nice to do well at a developing school. Tuition is really my last concern, I'm doing a loan reimbursement program, I was just stating an additional positive. OUCOM has a strong reputation of producing well-rounded and responsible physicians and I'm proud to be a part of such an organization.