Out of the running early on, would like to improve

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Like my title suggests, I’m out of the running for this application cycle 99% due to my mcat scores. I’d like some advice on how spend my remaining year in order to improve for the next application cycle. I don’t think it’s wise for me to take a gap year as I’m a 24 year old Nontrad and have been doing the things that you tend to do during a gap year. The good news is that I only applied TMDSAS, so I’m not out a lot of money. The bad news is that I only want to attend Texas schools in the first place.

For my mcat, my first exam was a 22 P7 V9 B6 and my second score is a 23 P8 V6 B9. My thoughts on the first exam are that PS/BS wasn’t similar to the aamc practice exams. PS was extremely calculation heavy and BS was hard experiments (I averaged 9/10 for BS); Verbal was right on the mark (I averaged 9/10). My thoughts on the second exam is that PS and BS were similar to the practice exams, PS had more than a few questions that seemed to come out of left field. Verbal was nothing but dry and long winded passages and vastly different in style from the passages in the first real exam. I plan for a 3rd retake in February using TBR and princeton science and verbal workbooks as well as Organic chemistry as a 2nd language. In the past, I did all of the passages in TBR books and half of the princeton ones, but I really think that by changing how I review the answers should help me improve.

What I would really appreciate is if someone could offer suggestions that are non mcat related.

For my GPA TMDSAS has it listed as Overall GPA: 3.46
Overall Science GPA: 3.43
Undergrad GPA: 3.46
Undergrad Science GPA: 3.43
Undergrad Non-Science GPA: 3.52

My gpa when I graduated from junior college was a 3.25 which is why my gpa is so low. I didn’t fail any courses, 1 W (texas history) but there are a few too many C’s. Chem 1 and 2 are both C’s. It wasn’t content that was the problem, it was how often the professor would start yelling at the top of his lungs at the students in the back for them to be quiet that led to a lack of content being taught. I was young and didn’t know how to self teach or study better (first generation). When I transferred to my university, I graduated with a 3.76 with 85% nothing but upper level sciences. All are A’s except for a science lab that got a B and non science courses (2?) that got B’s as well. I have no issue taking post bach courses, but I think I have to reregister at my university since none of my log ins work. The junior college gpa is the problem but I’m not sure how many science classes are offered there and I’m not sure how favorably adcoms would see me returning to take jr college courses to raise my gpa.

Since my first semester at jr college, I have worked part time at a District Attorney’s office as a clerk. I am happy with the pay and was able to make it out of college with no debt and some dollars saved up.

For EC’s and volunteering. I have raised show cattle since the start of high school, I take them to shows and they place well. Half way through jr college, I started Taekwondo and was awarded my black belt. I was a host for 2 years at a movie theatre where an animation company sent us dvds to watch, I led group discussions and interacted with voice actors if they were able to attend the showings. I have over 150 hours volunteering at my local ER. I entered on my application 30 hours for shadowing different physicians, but at the ER whatever physician is working that day – I follow them as well. All EC’s are ongoing except for the movie theatre host.

For leadership activities, I organize and teach show clinics where I teach students how to train and show their heifers/steers as well as other animal husbandry techniques. I teach and offer advice to younger students/belt colors in taekwondo. At work, I teach the new hires/volunteers/interns how to perform my range of duties.

LORs – The one from work is amazing, the one from the ER is good, and the one from a former biology professor is poor to mediocre.

Since I don’t know what the mcat cut off for Texas schools are, I don’t know if the adcoms will even see my application and that makes it hard for next year when I ask them for advice on what/how to improve. If the adcoms don’t review my application, how badly do I need to change my LORs to new people? The current writers are willing to write new ones for next year. I also don’t know what to do with my personal statement. I know I need to update it or change a few things but I haven’t had any new experiences that make me want to be a physician and I’m not sure what the new experiences should even be.

I’m sorry for the length but I really want to improve.
 
with a 3.4 you really need to be 30+ on the MCAT to stand a solid chance if only applying in Texas.

ECs
-you need some more shadowing that isn't in the ER
-some non medical community service

GRADES
-one year informal postbacc to retake chem and any new science/bio classes that could be helpful (A&P) preferably at a university but CC isn't a deal breaker
-get a 4.0 and see how many credits to move your overall to 3.5+ and science to 3.5+

MCAT - devote all of your energy to this, without high 20s or better you're sunk as an ORM in TX
-get your practice avgs to 11+ in PS and BS before retaking
-practice all types of VR passages to get to 10+
-use BR and TPRH for sciences
-use EK, TPRH for verbal (even look at BR/Kaplan/others/LSAT material for bulk practice)
-shoot for a Jan or March retake and put in a Hurculean effort with time to analyze and retool your plan along the way


Finally, even 30/3.5 with a good postbacc may require you to apply outside of TX to get in. Be open to this. One year of physician salary pretty much makes up the tuition cost difference in the end.
 
I really appreciate you taking the time to offer some advice. I would like to clarify a few things if you are willing to add your suggestions again.

ECs
-you need some more shadowing that isn't in the ER
-some non medical community service
This is my bad for poorly explaining things. I've shadowed an: orthopedic surgeon (10), Interventional Radiologist (10) and then the ER physician (10). Not submitted but will be next time (5 hours) Cardiologist. Are those sufficient or should I find additional MDs or increase the hours?

The cattle instructor (1000 hours) and movie theater host (850 hours) aren't sufficient for non medical community service? Or do you suggest better, more community obvious, volunteering?

GRADES
-one year informal postbacc to retake chem and any new science/bio classes that could be helpful (A&P) preferably at a university but CC isn't a deal breaker
-get a 4.0 and see how many credits to move your overall to 3.5+ and science to 3.5+
I will probably take the classes at CC as taking the classes there, offers me the best chance to get a 4.0. I found a random calculator that said if I take 3, 4-credit hour courses (and make A's) I should raise my overall gpa to a 3.34 which should get me right to a 3.5. To be fair, I don't know if that's correct because to this date I don't see how a 3.76 and 3.25 = 3.46. I have double checked to make sure I entered everything correctly.

MCAT Info
perfect, everything you suggested to study is what is on my list to study


Finally, even 30/3.5 with a good postbacc may require you to apply outside of TX to get in. Be open to this. One year of physician salary pretty much makes up the tuition cost difference in the end.
The tuition was half of the reason that I want to stay in Texas. The other half is split between being near my family in case there is a 'defcon 1' level cattle emergency and the fact that I read on the forums that OOS friendly schools aren't really friendly to Texas applicants due to the fact that we have our 90% rule.
 
-Include some primary care shadowing and get to 50+ hours total
-Do some traditional community service, honestly I don't think hosting a theater for private companies qualifies as it seems more like an unpaid internship
-the cattle thing is good
-use total credits for you gpa calculations, for example with a 3.40 @ 120 hrs it should take 24 credit hours @ 4.0 to get to a 3.50, if you have any C- or below retake them for DO
-for OOS schools look at DO, it is the same job with a different emphasis in some of the training and an extra class, go shadow one and get a letter, then next year pick a half dozen in areas that you would like to live to apply to as well as TX
-treat the MCAT as if your app completely depends on it

Good luck :luck:
 
With the caveat that I'm not going to a school in Texas, I think you already know the answer to what you need to improve. Your MCAT needs to be higher, I honestly think your EC's are fine. Schools don't have a set number of hours that you need to do, or a set type that you need to do. They want to see that you've had experience with the medical field and with what doctors do, which you have. And your other ECs are actually really interesting in my opinion anyway, I'm sure you will have tons to talk about during interviews. Just make sure for your PS you have a good justification for why medicine and get that MCAT up and I don't see why you shouldn't be a very competitive applicant.

edit: oh and for good measure, get a better LOR from a science faculty member, you're gonna go through all this trouble to improve your MCAT and then get sunk on something else. You want your app to be as good as possible. Take another class if you need to, doesn't matter where it's from or what the reason is, lots of people do post-bacs to raise their GPA or take classes randomly that they are interested in. Finally you need to put into words the reason you want to go into medicine, I mean, you're obviously very driven to be a doctor, so think about why it is, and then articulate it into words. As long as it's not $$$$ it's probably fine.
 
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Strongly concur. Your problem is the MCAT, and it looks like you've hit your plateau.

Your only hope is with DO programs. There are some that take the best composite score, which means they see you as having a VR 9 PS 8 Bio 9 = 26 (but, alas, not at my school...you'd be auto rejected).





with a 3.4 you really need to be 30+ on the MCAT to stand a solid chance if only applying in Texas.

ECs
-you need some more shadowing that isn't in the ER
-some non medical community service

GRADES
-one year informal postbacc to retake chem and any new science/bio classes that could be helpful (A&P) preferably at a university but CC isn't a deal breaker
-get a 4.0 and see how many credits to move your overall to 3.5+ and science to 3.5+

MCAT - devote all of your energy to this, without high 20s or better you're sunk as an ORM in TX
-get your practice avgs to 11+ in PS and BS before retaking
-practice all types of VR passages to get to 10+
-use BR and TPRH for sciences
-use EK, TPRH for verbal (even look at BR/Kaplan/others/LSAT material for bulk practice)
-shoot for a Jan or March retake and put in a Hurculean effort with time to analyze and retool your plan along the way


Finally, even 30/3.5 with a good postbacc may require you to apply outside of TX to get in. Be open to this. One year of physician salary pretty much makes up the tuition cost difference in the end.
 
Thanks for the advice aerodoc and Goro, what you both have said makes a lot of sense. With the LOR from a science faculty member, I'm pretty sure that if I rewrote a few things and returned it to the professor that they would be willing to make the changes to improve the quality of it.


Strongly concur. Your problem is the MCAT, and it looks like you've hit your plateau.

I have seen all the helpful give advice that you've given to other users so I know that you know your stuff and that I truly need to take your advice to heart but I don't think I hit a wall with the mcat. I took my first exam 5/1/13 and while waiting for the score to be released, I spent the month long wait watching Chad's videos. When the score was released I spent the next month solely doing TBR. The first week I did only a single chapter of Biology. Why? Because every other family in the house left for a cow show in Nebraska leaving me with the all the chores. The next 2 1/2 weeks were TBR (that I didn't fully finish) and the last bit was kaplan exams and aamc exams. I was happy with the practice scores and didn't think I needed to void the real exam.

I can understand everyone calling me dumb or foolish for still taking the real exam with less than ideal studying conditions and I can agree with them. I wanted to retake the exam to prove that I could improve my score, my entire application was riding on it, and because I don't like giving up without a fight. I was able to go down swinging and (to an extent) I did improve. Ignoring content, half the battle with the mcat is mental and the other half in understand your weaknesses. I am able to see that my main weakness is not being able to understand why I got something wrong. With a 6 month wait, I now have time to do all those passages, see my incorrect answers and be able to stop and learn why I got them wrong and learn how get the correct answer the next time.

I'm not trying to whitewash the poor scores in the past because if I did, I wont be able to improve for the future.
 
I've interviewed people who have taken the MCAT 5-6x, so you're not the first person who's taken this road.


But if you get an interview, please do NOT give the explanation that you did below. Poor choice making is taken as a factor in Admissions.


Do not take the MCAT until you are fully ready and prepared.




I have seen all the helpful give advice that you've given to other users so I know that you know your stuff and that I truly need to take your advice to heart but I don't think I hit a wall with the mcat. I took my first exam 5/1/13 and while waiting for the score to be released, I spent the month long wait watching Chad's videos. When the score was released I spent the next month solely doing TBR. The first week I did only a single chapter of Biology. Why? Because every other family in the house left for a cow show in Nebraska leaving me with the all the chores. The next 2 1/2 weeks were TBR (that I didn't fully finish) and the last bit was kaplan exams and aamc exams. I was happy with the practice scores and didn't think I needed to void the real exam.
 
Wow, duly noted. I will rethink and research how to form an appropriate response to such a question.
 
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