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I just bombed the GRE..I did worst than any of my GRE practices tests, including the diagnostic despite studying for the last couple of months but nonetheless I wanted to thank everyone for their advice..

And have regarding questions about alternative careers with a bachelors, I do not graduate until next May so I can stay in school and have my financial aid cover it..I know it sounds like I am giving up without much of a fight but..unless i can bring up my Quant score ~400 points, which wont happen, i dont have much of a choice

thanks
 
Study study study? Initially when I was studying for the GREs I was doing awful in quant., really because I always use a calculator and it was hard to understand the "tricks" they stick in there. I just took it section by section - once you master one type of problem in the quant. section (e.g. there are only a few types of word problems that are in there, so if you know how to do each of them, that section's not a problem), then move on to the next. I was seriously scoring in the 400's when I started to practice, and am now scoring in the 650's, and hopefully within the next few months of studying I can raise it higher than 700. Just have to practice every day. Standardized tests have always been a thorn in my side, I consider myself a pretty smart person, and the GRE quant has not adequately reflected what I am able to do in a research lab, or in stats class, or anything that remotely pertains to what I'm going to do with my career.

Anyway, I've read that the more times you take it, the better you'll do. I'm not suggesting taking it over and over for real, but stock up on GRE books and literally do every practice test in there.

And, I don't want to be harsh, because I understand the frustration of the GRE, but if you're willing to give up so easily on something like the GRE, then maybe grad. school isn't for you. IDK. That does sound harsh. I'm such a sap.
 
I believe I will retake it and I do not want to give up but a 200 in quant??? really i guessed on so much of it and I recognized almost none of it when I was scorng 500s on the practice...I just don't feel confident in getting 400 more points.. I want grad school more than anything but I am also trying to be realistic,not so much that I am saying oh this is too hard, ..I am just really down thats all
 
Don't give up! I believe cara susanna was in a quite similar situation last year, retook the GRE in early fall, got a much improved score, some interviews, and an acceptance! 🙂 Search for her threads and GRE-related posts.

Have you studied the GRE quant "tricks"? Learn those--and getting in my mind that it wasn't a math test, per se--really helped me. It was a logic/trick test, and it helped me to approach it that way when studying and taking the test.

ETA: Not all programs require 600 Q scores for consideration. I know Oklahoma State and North Dakota are two schools that tend to be more forgiving in terms of GRE scores, and while I know (I think?), you're applying to non-clinical programs, I'm sure there are more GRE "forgiving" non-clinical programs as well.

How was your V score? Was it only Q that was the problem?
 
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I believe I will retake it and I do not want to give up but a 200 in quant??? really i guessed on so much of it and I recognized almost none of it when I was scorng 500s on the practice...I just don't feel confident in getting 400 more points.. I want grad school more than anything but I am also trying to be realistic,not so much that I am saying oh this is too hard, ..I am just really down thats all

Could have just been a bad day. Did you spend the most time on the first 10 questions or so? Those are the most important. I understand your frustration, though, I was in that situation before when I first started studying. I felt like the stupidest person alive, how was I having difficulty with middle school and high school level stuff? I did get a tutor, which was maybe worth my money (well, my mom's money, she gave it to me as a birthday present lol), it brought my score up by about 200 points, but the most help I've had was just making sure I did at least 30-60 minutes of studying every day.
 
Don't give up! I believe cara susanna was in a quite similar situation last year, retook the GRE in early fall, got a much improved score, some interviews, and an acceptance! 🙂 Search for her threads and GRE-related posts.

Have you studied the GRE quant "tricks"? Learn those--and getting in my mind that it wasn't a math test, per se--really helped me. It was a logic/trick test, and it helped me to approach it that way when studying and taking the test.

ETA: Not all programs require 600 Q scores for consideration. I know Oklahoma State and North Dakota are two schools that tend to be more forgiving in terms of GRE scores, and while I know (I think?), you're applying to non-clinical programs, I'm sure there are more GRE "forgiving" non-clinical programs as well.

How was your V score? Was it only Q that was the problem?

I may have to study more of the tricks and maybe go to a math tutor when classes start.. My verbal was 570, not as high as I had wanted but by the time I got to it, I had finished my math and was basically feelling like the biggest loser ever lol

I am applying to non-clinical programs and I wanted to score atleast 1100..i am hoping to retake again maybe in october after some more studying (now that I am no longer hysterical I can actually plan 🙂)
 
Could have just been a bad day. Did you spend the most time on the first 10 questions or so? Those are the most important. I understand your frustration, though, I was in that situation before when I first started studying. I felt like the stupidest person alive, how was I having difficulty with middle school and high school level stuff? I did get a tutor, which was maybe worth my money (well, my mom's money, she gave it to me as a birthday present lol), it brought my score up by about 200 points, but the most help I've had was just making sure I did at least 30-60 minutes of studying every day.


It may have been a bad week and a half..me and my bf of 4 years split a about 2 weeks ago and I shouldve have just rescheduled it since I lost all motivation to review tricks.. I did try to concentrate on the first couple but I started getting flustered because I was spending way too much time on some of the questions, I actually almost ran out of time at the end..I have always been this way..I believe that a tutor will be more than a little necessary
 
It pained me to do this, but I got a private tutor from Princeton Review. I've always had SIGNIFICANT disabilities/difficulties taking standardized tests, so I thought it would be worth it to spend the 2 thousand dollars (YES TWO THOUSAND).They were really good to go through. When I didn't mesh with my origional tutor, they gave me pick of another one, and I was able to work with someone who had SIMILAR disabilities to me, who did perfetly on the GREs. We worked on my weaknesses, figured out ways to help me remember certain things, and helped me understand things that I never even understood in high school. In the end, I started my scores at about a 900 total and after the course, ended up with a score in the high 11's. I never expected to get ta 1300 or anything like that on the GREs, but I wanted to get something that at least got my application looked at. In the end, I was the first choice for my particular adviser, and will be going to my first post-interviews choice school. If you can spend the money, and 2000 dollars is worth getting into grad school (like it was for me), I'd do it. Also, don't apply to JUST the best programs. There are lots of programs out there that are great but not as GRE-competitive.

It may have been a bad week and a half..me and my bf of 4 years split a about 2 weeks ago and I shouldve have just rescheduled it since I lost all motivation to review tricks.. I did try to concentrate on the first couple but I started getting flustered because I was spending way too much time on some of the questions, I actually almost ran out of time at the end..I have always been this way..I believe that a tutor will be more than a little necessary
 
Don't give up! I believe cara susanna was in a quite similar situation last year, retook the GRE in early fall, got a much improved score, some interviews, and an acceptance! 🙂 Search for her threads and GRE-related posts.

Aww, when you put it that way it sounds so *inspirational*. Haha.

Yes, I do consider myself the queen of hating the quant section. I totally feel your pain; I cried for two days after my first GRE (though my quant score was higher than yours, I will admit). It didn't help that my brother had gotten an 800 quant without even studying, ugh. Anyway, let me list the steps that I took.

When I started studying for the GRE, I couldn't even make it through the quant section on the diagnostic practice test I took. My first practice score for quant was a 350, not much higher than yours.

I bought the Kaplan Math workbook and worked my way through it. I'd started doing this my sophomore year so I had a lot of time, and I kind of just did a little at a time. After I finished, my score had gone up to a 500. I was thrilled!

Of course, if you know clinical programs, you know the mantra: 600 or bust. So though at first that 500 seemed amazing to me, like my dreams had come true, I knew I had to raise it. One of my profs advised just taking practice tests, so for a while all I did was take practice tests and then go through the answers later and figure out what I'd done wrong. The flaw in this plan is that even computer adaptive tests will start to repeat themselves if you take the same ones over and over. Still, aside from two happy happy Kaplan tests where I scored above 600 somehow, I kept scoring in the 500s. These were frustrating times; after each practice test I would go cry and wonder how stupid I was that I couldn't even get a good score on a section everyone said was so easy. Eventually it got to the point where my mom forbade me to take any more practice tests for a while. 😉 I decided to take a Kaplan course that was two hours away and stay with my brother who lived in that area, but on the week of the weekend it was supposed to occur (about a week before my real GRE was scheduled?) I got the flu. When I called to cancel, I found out the course had been cancelled, anyway. Thanks for telling me, guys.

Well, I got to the real test and not only was my quant in the 500s, my verbal was too! Verbal I had consistently been scoring in the 600s on Kaplan. I have a theory about why my verbal was lower but I won't bore you with it. So, I did break 1100, but again, you know clinical programs. I needed a 1200 at least.

Back to studying for me. I got desperate. I bought more prep books and worked through them. I considered contacting my high school math teacher and ask him to pinpoint my weaknesses. I bought a high school geometry textbook like some people recommend. I bought some software from an Indian company that claimed to be able to raise your score 200 points or so. And, then, finally, I decided to get tutoring. I know not everyone can afford that, but I really needed it--studying on my own was just not working. And, I mean, this was my future here. So, I forked over absurd amounts of money and got online tutoring through PR.

With tutoring, I started scoring above 600s on my practice tests, and my tutor said he thought I could even hit 700 or higher. Of course, when I took the real thing, it was only 580. But my verbal had improved a lot (my tutor had worked on verbal with me even though it had been my strong area, learning how to approach those analogies really helped!) So, combined it was over 1200. I was like "okay, good enough."

Next what I did was go through the Graduate Study in Psych book and find clinical programs with no GRE cutoffs, or cutoffs that I made. They do exist. However, 2/3rds of the interviews I eventually got were at schools that claimed to cutoff at a percentage that I would not have made, so I can't really explain that.

Sorry for this tl;dr post, I just wanted to say that you're not alone and it is possible to raise your score to the point where you're competitive even if you're totally failtastic at math like I am (not that I'm saying you are, of course).

Edit: Arya, I had no idea you got into a program with an 1100! Brava 😀 And it's cool that tutoring also benefitted you as well.
 
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Aww, when you put it that way it sounds so *inspirational*. Haha.

Yes, I do consider myself the queen of hating the quant section. I totally feel your pain; I cried for two days after my first GRE (though my quant score was higher than yours, I will admit). It didn't help that my brother had gotten an 800 quant without even studying, ugh. Anyway, let me list the steps that I took.

When I started studying for the GRE, I couldn't even make it through the quant section on the diagnostic practice test I took. My first practice score for quant was a 350, not much higher than yours.

I bought the Kaplan Math workbook and worked my way through it. I'd started doing this my sophomore year so I had a lot of time, and I kind of just did a little at a time. After I finished, my score had gone up to a 500. I was thrilled!

Of course, if you know clinical programs, you know the mantra: 600 or bust. So though at first that 500 seemed amazing to me, like my dreams had come true, I knew I had to raise it. One of my profs advised just taking practice tests, so for a while all I did was take practice tests and then go through the answers later and figure out what I'd done wrong. The flaw in this plan is that even computer adaptive tests will start to repeat themselves if you take the same ones over and over. Still, aside from two happy happy Kaplan tests where I scored above 600 somehow, I kept scoring in the 500s. These were frustrating times; after each practice test I would go cry and wonder how stupid I was that I couldn't even get a good score on a section everyone said was so easy. Eventually it got to the point where my mom forbade me to take any more practice tests for a while. 😉 I decided to take a Kaplan course that was two hours away and stay with my brother who lived in that area, but on the week of the weekend it was supposed to occur (about a week before my real GRE was scheduled?) I got the flu. When I called to cancel, I found out the course had been cancelled, anyway. Thanks for telling me, guys.

Well, I got to the real test and not only was my quant in the 500s, my verbal was too! Verbal I had consistently been scoring in the 600s on Kaplan. I have a theory about why my verbal was lower but I won't bore you with it. So, I did break 1100, but again, you know clinical programs. I needed a 1200 at least.

Back to studying for me. I got desperate. I bought more prep books and worked through them. I considered contacting my high school math teacher and ask him to pinpoint my weaknesses. I bought a high school geometry textbook like some people recommend. I bought some software from an Indian company that claimed to be able to raise your score 200 points or so. And, then, finally, I decided to get tutoring. I know not everyone can afford that, but I really needed it--studying on my own was just not working. And, I mean, this was my future here. So, I forked over absurd amounts of money and got online tutoring through PR.

With tutoring, I started scoring above 600s on my practice tests, and my tutor said he thought I could even hit 700 or higher. Of course, when I took the real thing, it was only 580. But my verbal had improved a lot (my tutor had worked on verbal with me even though it had been my strong area, learning how to approach those analogies really helped!) So, combined it was over 1200. I was like "okay, good enough."

Next what I did was go through the Graduate Study in Psych book and find clinical programs with no GRE cutoffs, or cutoffs that I made. They do exist. However, 2/3rds of the interviews I eventually got were at schools that claimed to cutoff at a percentage that I would not have made, so I can't really explain that.

Sorry for this tl;dr post, I just wanted to say that you're not alone and it is possible to raise your score to the point where you're competitive even if you're totally failtastic at math like I am.

Thank you for your post! It gives me alot of hope. I know that my weakness is word problems, actually went out and bought two books on solving word problems that work up through statistics. I am also going to look for a math tutor for some of my weaker areas. As much as I would like to get a GRE math tutor, I can't afford $2000 (its just about my who bank account :laugh:) but maybe I can find someone within the math department that will help me :xf:

Thank you guys for your encouraging words
 
I'm glad I was able to help! We should bring back that old GRE studying thread, it was like a support group at one time. 😉

It sounds too like it wasn't exactly a normal testing situation for you. It's a very nervewracking situation even by itself, so any added stress is probably not going to help. Even so, it's good that you know what your weakness is. I always ran out of time on quant, too, but by the end of the test it really doesn't matter. Focus on those first eleven questions more than anything.
 
It may have been a bad week and a half..me and my bf of 4 years split a about 2 weeks ago and I shouldve have just rescheduled it since I lost all motivation to review tricks.. I did try to concentrate on the first couple but I started getting flustered because I was spending way too much time on some of the questions, I actually almost ran out of time at the end..I have always been this way..I believe that a tutor will be more than a little necessary

That sounds like an absolutely awful situation and I'm sorry to hear it.

Troubles with math to start with, coupled with serious life events, coupled with the added anxiety of the test is not a good scenario to be in. I'm normally not a big proponent of the tutoring, but it sounds appropriate in this situation. I don't know if you have test/math anxiety or to what degree it might interfere, but it certainly wouldn't hurt to talk to someone about that as well.

Don't give up. There are still way too many things left to do that might help to give up entirely.
 
Thanks Cara. I actually got an 1180, which although isn't great, I improved a LOT. I actually sent an addendum to some of the programs that discussed the extensive neuropsychological testing that was performed on me from Harvard (I was working there at the time- not that particular lab- so it was easy to get to- and actually free). It said I have some difficulties with concentration in standardized test settings and normal studying situations. (I typically have to have perfect silence to STUDY. I can be in class without any problem, but when I'm trying to study for an exam or read, I need quiet. Also, it said I have always had a disability with my working memory, so my verbal scores for reading comprehension aren't an accurate reflection of my scholastic abilities. She also said that I would be a great candidate for graduate school. When I'm studying, I typically have to rewrite my notes and read fairly slowly to encode the information. Or, when I'm trying to remember something, I just take a note down, but it works for me and shouldn't hinder me in grad school.) In addition to that, I actually got a 5.5 on the writing section so the 90th or higher percentile, so it just helped my case more. I was interested in very balanced programs though, so I didn't need the perfect scores to get into the perfect program for me. It sounds like you did a LOT of work, and I'm so happy it all worked out for you. I was pulling for you when I was reading your waitlist thread.

Edit: Please also note that my grammar abilities are SHOT right now from less than 15 hours of sleep in the last 4-5 days. Traveling sucks.
 
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Thanks so much! I really appreciate how supportive everyone was during that extremely stressful time. I'm happy it worked out for you, too. 😀
 
I just bombed the GRE..I did worst than any of my GRE practices tests, including the diagnostic despite studying for the last couple of months but nonetheless I wanted to thank everyone for their advice..

And have regarding questions about alternative careers with a bachelors, I do not graduate until next May so I can stay in school and have my financial aid cover it..I know it sounds like I am giving up without much of a fight but..unless i can bring up my Quant score ~400 points, which wont happen, i dont have much of a choice

thanks


The quant score is one that you can raise by 300+ points in a few days of really intensive work! Been there, Done that.

$20 and the princeton review guide can take you where you want to go... I went from low-mid 400's to a 740 on the test in 3 days! I worked my ass off, but I was able to change my score by 300 points... the difference between getting a 990 and a 1300 on the GRE!!!!

Mark
 
The first time I took the GRE I got a 480 on the Verbal section. I too assumed I was out of the running for grad school so I took several years off (only planned on taking one). When it came time to retake the test, I took a Kaplan course (not cheap but was worth it for me) and raised my score 200 points. I actually did worse on the Quant the 2nd time (720 to 640) 😀

As others have said, it can be done. Don't sell yourself short. It sounds like you had a lot going on that affected your performance. It's also not imperative to go straight through from undergrad to grad school. You have options.
 
If you get an astounding score on the GREs, do you become a more competitive applicant than someone with a lower score, even if you don't have as much relevant experience?
 
That's the wrong question to ask. It really depends on the program. Different programs weigh the aspects of the application differently than others. However, if you have a better FIT to the program/adviser you will most likely always have a better chance or an equal chance than the person with the astounding scores. From what I understand, even if you score a 1600, applying to a program that doesn't meet your interest will most likely result in automatic rejection. If you're worried you don't have enough experience, take a year off and get more. If you have astounding scores AND great experience (and find good program fit), you'll be a ringer for any program you like.
If you get an astounding score on the GREs, do you become a more competitive applicant than someone with a lower score, even if you don't have as much relevant experience?
 
The phrase is: GRE can keep you out, but it can't get you in.
 
That's the wrong question to ask. It really depends on the program. Different programs weigh the aspects of the application differently than others. However, if you have a better FIT to the program/adviser you will most likely always have a better chance or an equal chance than the person with the astounding scores. From what I understand, even if you score a 1600, applying to a program that doesn't meet your interest will most likely result in automatic rejection. If you're worried you don't have enough experience, take a year off and get more. If you have astounding scores AND great experience (and find good program fit), you'll be a ringer for any program you like.
I see.
The phrase is: GRE can keep you out, but it can't get you in.
Thanks for the nutshell.
 
I just started studying the GRE quant sections, and man do I feel stupid! It's depressing to be tricked so easily by "simple" algebra and geometry questions. My diagnostic test was a 650 (yes, total) at the beginning of the summer, and I haven't taken another yet...this is all great advice though, I'll try it out (in fact I'm going to go do some studying right now and get off SDN haha).
 
I just started studying the GRE quant sections, and man do I feel stupid! It's depressing to be tricked so easily by "simple" algebra and geometry questions. My diagnostic test was a 650 (yes, total) at the beginning of the summer, and I haven't taken another yet...this is all great advice though, I'll try it out (in fact I'm going to go do some studying right now and get off SDN haha).


It's a matter of classifying the problem correctly and applying the correct heuristic.

Mark
 
I used a private tutor i found from the internet which was a lot cheaper than paying for a kaplan class...also, i went to the library and checked out every gre book and took a practice test everyday or everyday other day for a little over a month! (i checked out a lot of books) i made flash cards for formulas and every type of math prob and put down the steps on the back of the card...the key is to really be diligent and do problems every day! i basically had to relearn everything. so it is def doable!!! and LEARN the tricks most the problems don't require long calculations! i would also recommend GRE for Dummies and Baron's they had a lot of good tips!! but don't GIVE UP! when i first i was very frustrated and hopeless but it really is doable!!!
 
Perhaps this is off topic a little, but I've been reading Carol Dweck's Mindset book this week, and the major message of the book is to adopt a growth mindset. Basically that people have either a fixed mindset (how well you do on a test is an indication of your innate talent and is tied up with worth) or a growth mindset (where intelligence and ability are malleable, and poor scores are merely challenges to learn more and improve).

It's basically saying that if you want to do something, keep working at it. It's very inspirational, and may help you attack the quant section with renewed fervor.🙂
 
Just starting studying for the GRE's by cracking open my algebra and math books, basically starting from page one. I am not good at Math so I want to relearn most of it before I move on to learning the tips and tricks. This thread helps! I read it everyday before I start studying, keeps me focused. It is good to hear from people who have taken the GRE's and how they improved their score. I keep hearing getting into a CI phd is uber hard and you need the best GRE scores, so it is good to hear that even CI phd students struggled.

Is there a thread just for the GREs?

Good luck to everyone studying for their GREs and applying.
 
Perhaps this is off topic a little, but I've been reading Carol Dweck's Mindset book this week, and the major message of the book is to adopt a growth mindset. Basically that people have either a fixed mindset (how well you do on a test is an indication of your innate talent and is tied up with worth) or a growth mindset (where intelligence and ability are malleable, and poor scores are merely challenges to learn more and improve).

It's basically saying that if you want to do something, keep working at it. It's very inspirational, and may help you attack the quant section with renewed fervor.🙂


Good book and solid research. I think she also says that those that test well are not anxious or avoidant while approaching an academic challenge. They convey a curiosity and are not too dejected with their mistakes. They see the mistakes as opportunities to improve and persevere. Those with a fixed mindset become very anxious and are less likely to engage an academic challenge due to fear of failure.

The message that I took from the book was 'with hard work, most will perform better and persevere.' 🙂
 
Go to the search function at the top of the page and type in GRE. There are probably tons and tons of threads on it. What do you mean by CI? I've never actually heard this term. Good luck on the GREs. They sound scarier than they actually are. However, that might be a lie because I did shake the entire time.

Just starting studying for the GRE's by cracking open my algebra and math books, basically starting from page one. I am not good at Math so I want to relearn most of it before I move on to learning the tips and tricks. This thread helps! I read it everyday before I start studying, keeps me focused. It is good to hear from people who have taken the GRE's and how they improved their score. I keep hearing getting into a CI phd is uber hard and you need the best GRE scores, so it is good to hear that even CI phd students struggled.

Is there a thread just for the GREs?

Good luck to everyone studying for their GREs and applying.
 
Go to the search function at the top of the page and type in GRE. There are probably tons and tons of threads on it. What do you mean by CI? I've never actually heard this term. Good luck on the GREs. They sound scarier than they actually are. However, that might be a lie because I did shake the entire time.

Thanks! I will look now for GRE threads.

CI - Clinical. I picked it up from reading many many many clinical phd programs, books about applying etc.
 
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