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I'm concerned if pathology might follow the same path as radiology where they will be outsourcing resources to other countries that might impact the job market in the states.
Anyone have any idea or thoughts.
Another question I had was, what is INFORMATICS? I had a pathologist tell me that they were interested in that.
thanks.
 
Disclaimer: I"m NOT an expert on these things, but...

I don't think pathology is in any significant danger anytime soon. Radiology outsourcing appears to be occuring where hospitals can't get enough radiologists here at home. My guess is that pathology outsourcing will happen in places where access to pathologists is limited or prohibitivley expensive.

Informatics is one of those buzzwords like "genomics" or "proteomics" that mean just about anything. It usually means using computers and algorithms to derive information from large datasets (ie sequence homology, protein expression profiling).

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/cgi-bin/abstract/104555103/ABSTRACT

http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=7b9eed0de767d0a7474e9075020f6de7

These 2 articles compile an array of test results and shove them into an algorithm that spits out a diagnosis. I don't really understand the specifics of the math. It's all magic to me.

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smellycat said:
I'm concerned if pathology might follow the same path as radiology where they will be outsourcing resources to other countries that might impact the job market in the states.
Anyone have any idea or thoughts.
Another question I had was, what is INFORMATICS? I had a pathologist tell me that they were interested in that.
thanks.
 
I was just looking through some older threads and found this one. I replied to a similar thread on the radiology forum, so I thought I'd post some of my thoughts (some of it cut and pasted from my other post).

I've heard a lot of talk recently about the possibility of outsourcing surgical pathology. I'm not sure the real outsourcing threat for pathology lies in surgical pathology. I think it instead lies in CLINICAL pathology, specifically, non-urgent diagnostic laboratory tests.

I agree that it would be very difficult to send out any surgical specimen that requires a gross examination, even ones that are not intraoperative. I also agree that intraop frozen sections could never realistically be outsourced. However, HIV testing, liver enzymes, not to mention the countless array of tests that might otherwise be sent to large US reference labs like ARUP are fair game for being sent overseas for much cheaper.

If outsourcing of laboratory tests becomes the rule rather than the exception, it seems to me that the hardest hit would be these large clinical reference labs, followed by hospitals with robust clinical pathology labs (I am concerned that these could potentially be reduced to "stat" labs in the future, with non-urgent tests being sent overseas).

Here's an interesting article, from (I believe) an Indian news source:

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The next outsourcing wave - lab tests

Rumi Dutta in Mumbai | April 19, 2004 07:48 IST


For hospitals in the United Kingdom and the United States it's cheaper to outsource laboratory and diagnostic tests to India. This is the case in West Asia as well. India is on the cusp of another outsourcing wave: high-end laboratory and diagnostic testing.

"Generally these are highly specialised tests like molecular diagnostics and hormones-related tests. Indian laboratories are 70-80 per cent less costly than the US ones," says A Lal, chairman of Dr Lal Path Labs.

Adds Sushil Shah, chairman of Metropolis Health Services, a referral centre for a wide range of medical specialities that caters to over 1,100 laboratories, hospitals and research institutes in India: "Outsourcing of laboratory testing and diagnostic services is set to become big business in India."

Some high-end tests that could be outsourced to India are cancer, HIV, tumour and hepatitis marker tests. Indian labs offer a comprehensive test menu -- over 1,500 tests under one roof.

With that range on offer, it's no surprise that the big laboratory companies here are either in talks with or already are partnering hospital chains overseas in connection with lab tests. Dr Lal Path, a key laboratory company, is close to finalising outsourcing tie-ups for high-end laboratory testing with hospitals in West Asia.

Metropolis Health Services has already tied up with Gulf Medical College Hospital, Ajman, in the UAE. "We are currently in talks with a consortium of hospitals in the US and in the UK and are close to finalising the deal. We expect our turnover to exceed Rs 100 crore (Rs 1,000 million) by next year from the present Rs 35 crore (Rs 350 million)," says Shah.

Metropolis expects $30 million per annum [about Rs 130 crore (Rs 1,300 million)] in orders from each international tie-up or at least 100 samples for testing from each partner every day.

The industry's other big boys are Ranbaxy SRL, Ezy Health, Gribbles, N M Diagnostics and Nicholas Piramal Pathology labs.

According to a study on the Indian healthcare industry by SKP Crossborder Consulting, the Rs 4,000 crore (Rs 40 billion) diagnostics and pathology laboratory testing business is growing at a compounded annual growth rate of 20 per cent.

While the industry has around 20,000 laboratories, only a few prominent ones have any international accreditation that instills confidence about their quality among foreign hospital chains.

To be sure, Indian laboratory companies think that local US and European labs could kick up a rumpus about outsourcing work to India and argue that the quality of work here is below par. But Indian labs may have an ace or two up their sleeves.

For example, they could underline the quality control standards here. To import blood samples for testing purposes, laboratory testing companies have to acquire a licence from the Drug Controller General of India, in addition to approval from the Director General of Foreign Trade. Lab companies have already approached them for approvals.

Still, a huge backlash against outsourcing lab work in the West is unlikely.

Says the chief scientific officer of a research-based Indian pharmaceutical company: "Research and other medical activities may not face as severe a backlash. These are highly complex and expertise-driven jobs where the quality of work is the most essential element."

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Indian laboratories are 70-80% less costly than the US ones.
Indian labs offer a comprehensive test menu -- over 1,500 tests under one roof.

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As someone who is primarily interested in Clinical pathology, I find this to be somewhat concerning. Anyone else have any insight? I think it's an interesting topic.
 
I wouldn't be too concerned about outsourcing at this point. There are still plenty of rules and regulations regarding testing that would make it difficult to have testing done outside of the US.
 
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