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The last thread was ruined by posts that attacked other SDNers. As a result, the thread was closed by the mods. Please go to my blog if you want to insult me or make dumb comments. If they close this thread again, I'm not going to create another thread about Pacific's classes.
 
Friday, July 8, 2005

Classes started today. Things went really well, however, I wasn't ready to start going to classes from 8am to 5pm. By the end of the day I was exhausted.

I'm keeping a daily blog on what goes on at Pacifc during the first year. This is akin to what Gavin did with Arizona two years ago. Pacific had over 2,500 applicants last cycle and I think it might be interesting to predents to see what they will experience if they are accepted to Pacific.

Click here to be linked to the blog.
 
Friday, July 8, 2005

Here it is--the first day of school. I had dreams about school last night, so it's obviously been on my mind. I'm eager to get through the day, meet new people, and get my first taste of dental school.

I'm meeting up with two other first year dental students and one second year student. We are going to carpool into school at 7am. Registration and a light breakfast will start at 7:30am. At 8am, we will Dr. Dugoni will address us. And, after that, the rest of the day hasn't been described to us. The letter we recieved in March told us to plan to be here until 4pm and to have a ride home so that we could carry 2 large (60-lbs) boxes of books home--ouch!

I'll post more tonight about what we did during the day.
 
Friday, July 8, 2005, 8pm

We arrived at the school around 7:15am, and to my surprise, there were already at least half of the students there. What was even wierder was that they were all wearing blue dress shirts. It was almost like it was coordinated by Pacific.

After a short breakfast, we moved down to room 103 on the first floor where Dr. Dugoni, the dean, addressed us for two hours. He talked about the responsibility we had as students, the return on our investment, our health, and other various topics. I was impressed with his candor and his experience. It was obvious this man had had his finger on the pulse of dentistry for nearly 60 years.

After listening to the dean, we had to do some paperwork, pick up some lab clothes (smocks and gloves) and eat lunch.

After lunch, it was Christmas at Pacific. We went up to sim labs and unpacked $16,000 worth of equipment. I got a first look at my hi-speed and low-speed handpieces. We also got to check out all of the burs that we will have to become familiar with. I couldn't believe all of the stuff we unpacked. In the end we unpacked 4 or 5 good size boxes (around 2' x 2'). Essentially, we unpacked enough stuff to run a one operatory dental office. I wish I could list some of the things we unpacked, but I'm not even sure what it all was.

By 4:30, I was exhausted. The second year students who were there to help us unpack invited all the first years to a night out at the "Dirty Martini." I passed. I had other plans.

Tomorrow, we go into school to get our laptops. I'm a little geeked out to get it. It'll be nice to have a good computer. Check back tomorrow for more.
 
Saturday, July 9, 2005, 12:00pm

At 9:00am this morning we had computer orientation. The meeting lasted for 90 minutes. I was placed in the "Advanced" orientation. There are two other orientations today--one for intermediate and one for novice computer users. In April or May, they sent students a computer survey. Based on the results they placed us in one of the three sections. It's my opinion that if you have ever turned on a computer, you will do just fine in the advanced computer orientation.

The computers are nice. We got 1 gig of RAM, a 1.86 gHz Pentium M processor, and a 55 gig hard drive. They gave us all of our login information to access the school networks. Wireless internet is only available in the cafeteria. But, if you are in a good spot in the simlab then you can actually access it from there. They have ethernet ports at each simlab station, so if you can't access the wireless internet, you can still get connected with an ethernet cable.

So that's it for today. We report to class on Monday at 7:30am to go through some more orientation, and our first class. However, by Tuesday, we are into the full swing of things when we start Anatomy/Histology.
 
From the other thread, there were two questions I wanted to answer.


cowsgomoo said:
Sorry about changing topic.

Actually I have one question. You said you had unwrapped like $16,000 worth of equipment and I was wondering if the equipment was for yourself or the lab as a whole. Is this equipment usually covered under the tuition fee?

Each student unwrapped $16,000 worth of equipment that we will use all 3 years. From digital fingerprint imaging tools to our hi-speed handpieces. In total, there were 4 or 5 boxes full of instruments and supplies. Like I said, you could man an entire one operatory dentist's office with the stuff. We own almost all of it except for the hatchets and the periodonatal intstruments which are loaners from the clinic for us to use in the simlab. Once we graduate to the clinic next summer, we will get fresh perio tools each time we need them.

RaiderNation said:
Javadi, so is it true that UOP refers to you as "Dr. Javadi" as soon as you enter the doors on your first day of class?

Well, that's the rumor, but no one ever called me Dr. Javadi on Friday or Saturday. Dr. Dugoni mentioned that this was school policy, and I imagine that starting on Monday, we will start being addressed as Doctor.
 
Thank you for the insight Javadi. It is very greatly appreciated (at least by one person).
 
Our school also address's us as doctors, but in front of patients we are addressed as "Student doctors"
 
Great therad and very informative. Good to see its up and running again. BESTEST of luck to you!
 
Glad you got your thread back up and running. Good luck at Pacific!

Being called doctor as a student reminds me of my first day of oral surgery over at the county hospital. The oral surgery resident took me and another student in to see a patient... "Hello Mrs. Smith, this is Dr. So-and-so and Dr. So-and-so. They're going to remove your teeth for you. Doctors, let me know if you need any help. I'll be next door." 30 min later, I had extracted my first tooth. Now where did that resident say he'd be?

Anyway, good luck and welcome to dentistry.
 
DDSSlave said:
Glad you got your thread back up and running. Good luck at Pacific!

Being called doctor as a student reminds me of my first day of oral surgery over at the county hospital. The oral surgery resident took me and another student in to see a patient... "Hello Mrs. Smith, this is Dr. So-and-so and Dr. So-and-so. They're going to remove your teeth for you. Doctors, let me know if you need any help. I'll be next door." 30 min later, I had extracted my first tooth. Now where did that resident say he'd be?

Anyway, good luck and welcome to dentistry.


Sorry JAV I wasnt insulting you from the beginning. Just had some questions that must have held some truth and hit some feelings. All these little boys and gals got upset. Oh, keep your wife out of my mail too.

Actually, last year I shadowed a dentist at a clinic and he let me do 3 extractions. Now, I have always been curious. Is this legal?

Now the first tooth was an incisor and was so loose that I could have grapped it with my hands but the others were molars and I used a high guage forcep and they cracked and popped but came right out.

Not sure if it was legal but it sure got me interested more and more in the field.
 
ISU_Steve said:
Thank you for the insight Javadi. It is very greatly appreciated (at least by one person).


You have a mean monkey avatar.

What does that represent?
 
I AM SARA said:
Actually, last year I shadowed a dentist at a clinic and he let me do 3 extractions.

Mind sharing his name?? I just want to make sure that i dont go to him, ever!
 
Comet208 said:
Mind sharing his name?? I just want to make sure that i dont go to him, ever!

:laugh: :laugh: No kidding.

I can't wait to read about Javadi's first day of classes...
 
Comet208 said:
Mind sharing his name?? I just want to make sure that i dont go to him, ever!



I dont know about that. I think it is a matter of trust.

Well put it this way, what do they teach you in dental school before you actually do a dental extraction?

how would they simulate that?
 
I AM SARA said:
You have a mean monkey avatar.

What does that represent?
It represents my contempt for certain people on here. :meanie: 😉
 
ISU_Steve said:
It represents my contempt for certain people on here. :meanie: 😉


:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

You are so cool. :laugh:
 
ISU_Steve said:
It represents my contempt for certain people on here. :meanie: 😉

I like him. If I saw him in real life I would give him a hug.
 
I AM SARA said:
I like him. If I saw him in real life I would give him a hug.

I think this thread may become "hi-jacked" again. Javadi... great thread... please keep this up!
 
natroncb said:
I think this thread may become "hi-jacked" again. Javadi... great thread... please keep this up!
Yes. This thread will undoubtedly contain priceless information about life as a UOP student. If someone posts something idiotic and ******ed, let's just not respond so the trhead stays alive.
 
No, no hijacking on my part- just on the part of the person who ruined the last thread. Please Javadi, keep up the thread. Hopefully the mods will do something to stop that person from ruining another great thread.
 
ISU_Steve said:
No, no hijacking on my part- just on the part of the person who ruined the last thread. Please Javadi, keep up the thread. Hopefully the mods will do something to stop that person from ruining another great thread.
Amen.
 
ISU_Steve said:
No, no hijacking on my part- just on the part of the person who ruined the last thread. Please Javadi, keep up the thread. Hopefully the mods will do something to stop that person from ruining another great thread.



I agree too. Keep it up. I changed my application and am now applying to UOP as well.

Wish me luck!
 
If by "luck" you mean a slow painful ----- at the hands of a herd of chipmunks, followed by eternal ------- in the fiery pits of whatever ring of ------- that is reserved for trolls where you will ------- and -------- and ---- and ----- in ------ for all eternity, then by all means: Good luck!
 
ISU_Steve said:
If by "luck" you mean a slow painful death at the hands of a herd of chipmunks, followed by eternal damnation in the fiery pits of whatever ring of hell that is reserved for trolls where you will suffer and scream and burn and writhe in agony for all eternity, then by all means: Good luck!

:laugh:

ok... we cannot make comments because we dont want this thread closed!

:laugh:
 
OK....I'll modify the post.
 
ISU_Steve said:
If by "luck" you mean a slow painful ----- at the hands of a herd of chipmunks, followed by eternal ------- in the fiery pits of whatever ring of ------- that is reserved for trolls where you will ------- and -------- and ---- and ----- in ------ for all eternity, then by all means: Good luck!



No thats probably not what I had in mind.
 
If you all are going to hijack a thread again, could you please choose one that noone cares about instead of the one thread that nearly everyone in this forum is interested in?
 
Monday, July 11, 2005

School started this morning with Dr. Yarborough telling us how great the school is. He shared some statistics about how many students applied, how many were interviewed, and how many were accepted. He also gave us some numbers on the demographics of our class.

He was followed by Dr. Peltier, the school psychiatrist. During his 30 minute lecture, he gave us a bunch of tips on how to succeed at Pacific--priortizing, organizing, and working hard.

After Dr. Peltier, it was time for our first class--OCP. OCP is Orientation to the Clinical Practice of Dentistry. They gave us the "Patient Health History" form and then we went through it with Dr. Jacobsen. For anybody that goes to Pacific, Dr. Jacobsen is something you have to experience to appreciate. He makes it a point to call on random people in the class and ask the answer to questions that no one knows the answers to. Today, his job was to introduce us to how to think like doctors. We'll have him full-time during a 3rd term course.

After lunch, we broke into groups to meet with our faculty advisors and to have our ID badge pictures taken. The faculty advisor meeting was not much more than a "get-to-know-ya" meeting. The advisors, who are also our first year professors, are available to us anytime to help with problems.

Around 3pm, we moved back to our classroom on the 3rd floor for a health insurance meeting, followed by another meeting on finanical aid. By this point, after a full interview cycle, I think I've heard the same financial aid lecture nearly a dozen times. This was our last meeting for the day.

Tomorrow, classes start in full force. We have Ethics at 8am, Dental Anatomy from 9am 'til noon, and Human Anatomy from 1pm 'til 5pm.
 
JavadiCavity,
Thanks for the invaluable information. Being a parent, I know how busy your life can be. Just want to say thank you for putting in the time. I'm sure many more appreciate for what you're doing. Keep up the good work both at school and home 👍
 
Great entries...I have just one question though. How can UOP fit their dental curriculum in 3 years while most others are 4 years? Is it as efficient? Thanks.
 
Thanks a lot Javadi...can't wait to hear more. 👍
 
coolslugs said:
Great entries...I have just one question though. How can UOP fit their dental curriculum in 3 years while most others are 4 years? Is it as efficient? Thanks.

Great question, and it's one I hear alot. Pacific actually has 4 ACADEMIC years. Each academic year is equal in length to two semesters or 3 quarters. During the 1960s or 1970s they made the decision to squeeze the curriculum into 3 CALENDAR years in order to accomadate the military's needs for more health care professionals.

During the first four quarters (just over 1 academic year) at Pacific, we take almost all of the didactic courses necessary to sit for the boards. During the same time, we take preclinical courses like operative dentistry, fundamentals of restorative dentistry, fixed prosthodontics, and others. During the second year, our schedules shift a little bit. We spend half the day in the clinic treating patients and we spend the other half of the day in didactic and preclinical courses (removable prosthodontics, endodontics, orthodontics, oral surgery, etc.). Some of the schools I visited during my interviews split these two separate branches of dental school (didactic courses and preclinical courses) into two years. Perhpas that is how Pacific does it--by overloading students during the first year with both didactic and preclinical courses, rather than spreading it out over two years.

The ADEA last visited the school in 2000 and found no problems with the school or its curriculum. It also awarded the school 18 commendations, which up until then had never happened at any other school in the country. I don't say that to make Pacific seem better than other schools, because since 2000, other schools have recieved the same if not better marks uopn being reviewed by the ADEA. Instead, I think it points out that the governing body that watches over the training of dental students fully endorses and appears to be ecstatic about Pacific's 3 calendar year program.


Hope that helps.
 
coolslugs said:
Great entries...I have just one question though. How can UOP fit their dental curriculum in 3 years while most others are 4 years? Is it as efficient? Thanks.
Craig Yarborough, or however you spell it, gives a great presentation on this topic. You'll leave the meeting believing that UOP is the best school on the planet.
 
Thank you for doing this. Please keep it up~ 👍 👍
 
JavadiCavity said:
The ADEA last visited the school in 2000 and found no problems with the school or its curriculum. It also awarded the school 18 commendations, which up until then had never happened at any other school in the country. I don't say that to make Pacific seem better than other schools, because since 2000, other schools have recieved the same if not better marks uopn being reviewed by the ADEA.

Yeah I don't think that means much since NYU got 25 commendations granted to them this year and zero recomendations.

Although, good job on your new thread.
 
Tuesday, July 12, 2005

Today was the first full day of lectures. However, about half of the time was still taken up with introductions.

In the morning, we had an ethics class warning us not to cheat and what to do if we suspect cheating. Some of the methods were a bit altruistic, and I doubt any student would pursue the matter using the suggested method.

After ethics, we had our first Dental Anatomy course. We spent the first 90 minutes going over tooth anatomy, the arches, numbering systems, and critical vocab. During the last 30 minutes we went into the sim lab and found the tools we needed to start our first wax carving project--tooth #9. It's due August 2nd.

Following lunch, we spent the remainder of the afternoon in Gross Anatomy/Histology. Most of the class time we spent discussing whether or not oral health was directly related to cardiovascular diesease. We broke up into our dissection groups to discuss an article. We came back to class, discussed the article, and then wrapped up class.

I am not used to sitting in class for 10 hours a day. I've got to build my stamina.

Tommorrow, we have fundamentals of restorative dentistry in the morning and Gross Anatomy again in the afternoon. We also get fitted for our loops.
 
JavadiCavity said:
Tuesday, July 12, 2005

Today was the first full day of lectures. However, about half of the time was still taken up with introductions.

In the morning, we had an ethics class warning us not to cheat and what to do if we suspect cheating. Some of the methods were a bit altruistic, and I doubt any student would pursue the matter using the suggested method.

After ethics, we had our first Dental Anatomy course. We spent the first 90 minutes going over tooth anatomy, the arches, numbering systems, and critical vocab. During the last 30 minutes we went into the sim lab and found the tools we needed to start our first wax carving project--tooth #9. It's due August 2nd.

Following lunch, we spent the remainder of the afternoon in Gross Anatomy/Histology. Most of the class time we spent discussing whether or not oral health was directly related to cardiovascular diesease. We broke up into our dissection groups to discuss an article. We came back to class, discussed the article, and then wrapped up class.

I am not used to sitting in class for 10 hours a day. I've got to build my stamina.

Tommorrow, we have fundamentals of restorative dentistry in the morning and Gross Anatomy again in the afternoon. We also get fitted for our loops.


Wow sounds awesome JAVADI, I like what your doing, gives us something to look forward to.
 
Wednesday, July 13, 2005

The day started with our fundamentals of restorative dentistry class taught by Dr. Geisberger and Dr. Streaker. We were briefly introduced to all of the specialties within Dentistry. Following that, we took learning style and personality tests. The purpose of the tests was to give us an idea of how to best study material. I wish we could've skipped the tests and gone to the lab sooner.

After the tests, we had a presentation on loupes. We can either get the 2.5X at no extra cost or we can pony up an extra $675 for the 3.5X expanded field specs. Initially, I was tempted to buy the 3.5X, but then they told us we could try the 2.5X, and, if during the first year, we decided to upgrade to the 3.5X, they'd do it for the $675 price. So, I'm going to go with the 2.5X for now.

We moved into the simlab after the loupes lecture to meet our row instructors. Each row of work stations gets a teacher to provide help and instruction. Today, each row instructor took their rows on a tour of the neighborhood around the school. Afterwards, we came back to the school for lunch on the school's dime.

We had a little break before our Biochem class at 2pm. After biochem, we had a 2 hour human anatomy lecture covering cell biology. We were done by 4pm.
 
Not a bad day. 2.5X is plenty. That's the most common magnification for GPs.
 
JavadiCavity said:
So far so good, the mods haven't closed it down yet.

As long as threads are on topic and don't errupt into out-of-control flamewars we really don't like to close them. By the way, great thread and I hope you continue with it!
 
DREDAY said:
Wow sounds awesome JAVADI, I like what your doing, gives us something to look forward to.

Or DREAD!! :laugh: :laugh:
 
JavadiCavity said:
Great question, and it's one I hear alot. Pacific actually has 4 ACADEMIC years. Each academic year is equal in length to two semesters or 3 quarters. During the 1960s or 1970s they made the decision to squeeze the curriculum into 3 CALENDAR years in order to accomadate the military's needs for more health care professionals.

During the first four quarters (just over 1 academic year) at Pacific, we take almost all of the didactic courses necessary to sit for the boards. During the same time, we take preclinical courses like operative dentistry, fundamentals of restorative dentistry, fixed prosthodontics, and others. During the second year, our schedules shift a little bit. We spend half the day in the clinic treating patients and we spend the other half of the day in didactic and preclinical courses (removable prosthodontics, endodontics, orthodontics, oral surgery, etc.). Some of the schools I visited during my interviews split these two separate branches of dental school (didactic courses and preclinical courses) into two years. Perhpas that is how Pacific does it--by overloading students during the first year with both didactic and preclinical courses, rather than spreading it out over two years.

The ADEA last visited the school in 2000 and found no problems with the school or its curriculum. It also awarded the school 18 commendations, which up until then had never happened at any other school in the country. I don't say that to make Pacific seem better than other schools, because since 2000, other schools have recieved the same if not better marks uopn being reviewed by the ADEA. Instead, I think it points out that the governing body that watches over the training of dental students fully endorses and appears to be ecstatic about Pacific's 3 calendar year program.


Hope that helps.




Wow all of that sounds real great with ADEA.

Out of curiousity, if I go to a school that is 1/3 of the cost than yours and that ADEA has not commended will you be able to charge more for your services than I will?

hmmmm...
 
JavadiCavity said:
Wednesday, July 13, 2005

The day started with our fundamentals of restorative dentistry class taught by Dr. Geisberger and Dr. Streaker. We were briefly introduced to all of the specialties within Dentistry. Following that, we took learning style and personality tests. The purpose of the tests was to give us an idea of how to best study material. I wish we could've skipped the tests and gone to the lab sooner.

After the tests, we had a presentation on loupes. We can either get the 2.5X at no extra cost or we can pony up an extra $675 for the 3.5X expanded field specs. Initially, I was tempted to buy the 3.5X, but then they told us we could try the 2.5X, and, if during the first year, we decided to upgrade to the 3.5X, they'd do it for the $675 price. So, I'm going to go with the 2.5X for now.

We moved into the simlab after the loupes lecture to meet our row instructors. Each row of work stations gets a teacher to provide help and instruction. Today, each row instructor took their rows on a tour of the neighborhood around the school. Afterwards, we came back to the school for lunch on the school's dime.

We had a little break before our Biochem class at 2pm. After biochem, we had a 2 hour human anatomy lecture covering cell biology. We were done by 4pm.


just messin with you. Keep writing your posts as they have potential to be interesting but dont stray and brag about your school because it really doesnt matter.

It doesnt matter where you go. They all get you to the same place in the end and the patients will basically not listen to your advice no matter where you practice or what school you went to.

At least thats been my experience over the last 4 years with workin in dental offices.
 
I AM SARA said:
just messin with you. Keep writing your posts as they have potential to be interesting but dont stray and brag about your school because it really doesnt matter.

It doesnt matter where you go. They all get you to the same place in the end and the patients will basically not listen to your advice no matter where you practice or what school you went to.

At least thats been my experience over the last 4 years with workin in dental offices.

I agree.
 
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