Parallels and Divergences of OMT AND PT

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I'd appreciate it if any med students/DOs/PTs could elaborate. Any video demonstrations of OMT? I've been looking on youtube and all I can find is that stupid felis domesticus video.

Sincerely,
Premed
 
I'd appreciate it if any med students/DOs/PTs could elaborate. Any video demonstrations of OMT? I've been looking on youtube and all I can find is that stupid felis domesticus video.

Sincerely,
Premed

There are certainly cross overs in the PT and OMT world.

When I think of PT and when I send patients to PT I do so because I need them to get specialized training in muscular development and proper body mechanics. I want them to learn exercises on machines as well as stretches and therapies that they can do at home. I want them to have a personalized therapist who understands the musculoskeletal system to such a degree that they can safely work with the patient and not cause further injury.

When I am doing OMT I am (often) going after a specific diagnosis in the musculoskeletal system. I dont do OMT for "low back pain". I carefully assess and diagnose the vertebral segments, sacrum, ligaments and muscles of the lumbo-sacral and pelvic area to find out the cause of low back pain. Once I have found the cause, I direct my OMT at that particular problem...it might be a rotated vertebrae, a herniated disk, a pinched nerve, a stressed ligament, etc. Once I have my diagnosis and perform my treatment I reassess the area for continued pain, immobility, etc.

When I am done treating the patient with OMT I can call upon a PT to help strengthen the surrounding musculature and show the patient methods of doing so that will allow the patient to maintain proper body mechanics and therefore no undo what I have done in my treatment.

What is important as a physician sending someone to PT is that you need to know what you are sending them for. Simply sending them to the PT with a prescription that says "Evaluate and treat", like so many docs do, is basically telling the PT to "figure out what is wrong and fix it." Well...YOU are the physician so YOU need to make the diagnosis.

When I write an Rx for PT I always state what I want done. "Strengthen _____ muscles" , "Avoid _____ movements". I feel it is important for the physician to carefully direct the care they are going to have under another practitioner.

So the difference really is in use and style of treatment from OMT to PT. And again, OMT is going after a very specific diagnosis/dysfunction.
 
That pretty much was as helpful as a response to a post can get I would think.

Thanks.
 
silly question .. I'm sure but from your training, you can literally Feel perhaps if there is inflammation between 2 discs in the lumbo sacral region?

Often lower back pain is hard to diagnose or so I've been told , but you are saying that often you can simply with your hands be able to specifically feel the area where there is inflammation .....

Are you mostly relying on the patients response to your questioning or can you often identify a compressed nerve, a herniated disc or some other malady simply with your hands?

I've obviously had no training in such things so there's no way I would be able to know whether this would be something that is simple to identify with touch or if there are certain tell tale signs to the problem.
 
silly question .. I'm sure but from your training, you can literally Feel perhaps if there is inflammation between 2 discs in the lumbo sacral region?

Often lower back pain is hard to diagnose or so I've been told , but you are saying that often you can simply with your hands be able to specifically feel the area where there is inflammation .....

Are you mostly relying on the patients response to your questioning or can you often identify a compressed nerve, a herniated disc or some other malady simply with your hands?

I've obviously had no training in such things so there's no way I would be able to know whether this would be something that is simple to identify with touch or if there are certain tell tale signs to the problem.


I dont think youre feeling the actual inflammation between the disks, but the inflammation of the surrounding tissues.

LBP is not as difficult a diagnosis as some practitioners make it sound. Its just that most practitioners dont have the thorough musculoskeletal training to differentiate the different causes, some of which I mentioned above.

A herniated disk vs. a strained muscle vs. a ligamentous injury all have very specific patterns. The pain perception is different, the location of pain is different, the mechanism of injury is often different. You need to hunt for these small clues that will reveal what is causing the pain in this patient.

Good imaging...a closed supine MRI...can be very helpful in diagnosis as well, so can 3-view standing X-rays. But you need to be specific in what you want the radiologist to comment on. Often they just give you the standard read of a film. I always ask them to comment on pars defects and the laminal structures as well. Something they are more than capable of doing but something that not everyone ordering lumbosacral xrays would necessarily care about. Not so to a DO.

Another thing about LBP is that every type of injury or cause of pain has very specific characteristics. One of the ways this becomes apparent is when a patient comes to your office saying they have pain and can no longer work, but their description of pain, freedoms of movement and "Acted" restrictions of movement arent consistent with the injury they are describing and arent even consistent with eachother. These cases get tricky when imaging studies are inconclusive.

But if a patient comes in describing a neuropathic pain in certain areas of the back and shooting down the leg I can pick it apart.

1. I know where the nerves are and where they send their pain information into the lower extremity
2. I know what movements should make the pain worse
3. I know what movements should alleviate the pain
4. I know that if this injury does indeed exist there will be palpable changes in the tissues overlying that vertebral disk/segment
5. I know the reflexes associated with this pain
6. I know what positions I place the patient in will decompress or alleviate restriction
7. I know where to push to exacerbate the pain
8. I know the questions to ask that only a patient with a true complaint will answer correctly

On more than one occasion I have seen a patient with a complaint of pain whose story doesnt make sense. They are describing pain that accompanies a herniated or bulging disk...but the pain pattern down the extremity is from a verterbal segment 2-3 away from where they say the pain starts. Then the reflexes are normal when they shouldnt be. The patient walks into the office in one position that they say is "the only way I can walk without pain", but I know this particular position will cause increased pressure on the intervertebral space at that level and should be causing MORE pain. On top of all that, the mechanism they describe for injury...often falling at work...doesnt fit the injury pattern.

So finding the true cause of the pain is an absolute must. You owe it to the patient, the patients employer and really to the taxpayers...sad to have to say that, but its true.

If you never find the true cause of the pain how can you effectively treat it?

What do *most* physicians, MD and DO do with a patient with low back pain? 3 weeks of PT. Shotgun the problem. "Evaluate and treat" on an Rx to the therapist...see you for a follow up. Malpractice IMO.

Even if you dont do OMM (for whatever cop-out excuse reason) you should AT LEAST remember your osteopathic physical exam skills and be able to determine the exact structure...bone, disk, soft tissue...that is the cause of the this patients pain. Your treatments and treatment plan will be more effective...more cost effective as well. You will help more people. You will get people back to work quicker...the majority of patients want to be pain free and get back to work. You will be able to do the right thing when it comes to patients looking to cheat the system. You will instill confidence in your patients that you know what to do...you didnt just do the same thing as so many other doctors.

The reason that many OMM specialists (or even DOs who are confident and good at OMM) get the "last resort" patients is not because OMT is magic. Its not because DOs are 'nicer' or that we take more time with our patients.

Its because we have the training to investigate musculoskeletal injury and pain to the very precise cause. We have the training to take all these pieces of information and get to the very root of the problem, and more often than not we have some form of OMT that can treat that problem.

Whether or not that DO has remembered the training and has the ability to treat it an entirely separate issue. 🙄

SO what I have described above is just some of the things that you will learn in DO school. Certainly the field of OMM covers much more as far as different body areas, other types of problems and numerous treatments...all the while being incorporated into the full medical curriculum taught at 125+ allopathic schools.

So tell me again why 'DO' is considered a backup? :laugh: Sound like it should be the norm...patients should be demanding the most comprehensive care available. 👍
 
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