Oh come on this is sociology 101 stuff guys. Poorer families tend to socialize their kids with different ideal sets and skills that they believe will better prepare them for life. Kids from poorer families are socialized to think in the box and to rigidly follow commands, they are also conditioned to believe that education may not be the greatest pay out. Kids from more affluent families are socialized and conditioned with a completely different mentality and approach to even the simplest situations.
This is not a debate about how poorer people are genetically less intelligent, that is notion from a discredited philosophy, Social Darwinism.
Also another few reasons we can attribute to this phenomenon is that children are afraid sometimes of exceeding their families intellectual level, that their families will dislike them for the perceived notion that they are better than them. There is also the problem with money, college graduates ( 20% of the US) are mainly from the upper middle class, and as this representation of upper middle class earning is not at all surprising.
This is a false statement you are posting on SDN. If you never grew up in a poor family then you have no idea what we are "conditioned" to believe in our household. I grew up in a poor family and they instill in me that education is the way out.
The second statement I bolded, who told you this RUBBISH, lol. You're just talking out off your snooty tail. Please, get your sources together.
Wait...are we talking about families with lower incomes....or a dog breed? God I'm so confused.
I swear with each post this thread gets more and more ridiculous with stereotypes. Maybe kids with richer parents are more likely to go to med school because:
1- They have better resources and support growing up (ie- less BS to deal with).
2- They have more pressure from their parents to choose a higher paying, prestigious career.
Could it be that simple? Or did my middle class upbringing make me think too much in the box?
I totally agree with your statements! Kudos to you
Well, this thread is already besieged with stereotypes and skews, so I'll try to add my experience softly.
Higher income parents either live in areas with better public schools, or they can afford to send their children to private institutions, which can provide very strong college preparation. In
contrast, for many reasons, low-income schools struggle more over all. The difference between an education at a public high school in the slums of the Bronx, and an education at a high-performing private school, is tremendous - staggering, actually. Overwhelming.
There are a thousand things flowing into this disparity, coming from all directions and all levels of societal structure. Many of them are pretty rotten to think about. The outcome, I tentatively wager, translates through college and to medical school acceptance rates (well, maybe not so tentatively, see eg
http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2010/07/07/berg)
I also agree with your statement because I grew up in Brooklyn, New York and the education was not the best, but I am living proof that you can make it anywhere in life with CFHW (Consistency, Faith, Hard Work).
To the ******** who keeps repeating themselves about people with more wealth being more intelligent and having greater work ethic, you've got to be one of the most ignorant people I've seen on SDN. Congratulations. You're saying parents who don't make a significant amount of money are lazy and are less intelligent than other parents, which is entirely out of your ass. There are plenty of intelligent people with lower-than-average paying jobs and sadly they are often the unappreciated jobs that are helping people even less fortunate than themselves like those who work with the mentally handicapped, primary school teachers, nursing home workers, etc. A lot of people are screwed out of jobs right now at EVERY level of employment due to the state of the world right now, disabilities, and injury; obviously decreasing income.
Just because your mommy and daddy were able to make a ton of money, it doesn't mean they even had to work all that hard to get it. And sure as hell doesn't mean you've worked hard to get to where you are. You've worked just as hard as the person next to you. Stop patting yourself on the back kid; and stop suggesting that everyone who isn't as rich as your parents is either less intelligent or a drug addict.
He is a ******** to the 5th power ^_^. He has no idea how life really is. He probably was born with a silver spoon in his mouth and looks down at the unfortunate, which is pretty sad
. His parents could have been born into wealth and had the easy way out. They probably never struggled themselves.
I think you misunderstood the 60% / 40% split. There's lots of people in that 40% who had parents making even below the national average income. You just don't understand what I mean when I say a "majority of the time." Hence >50% of the time, what I say is true. And no one says people making average income are "lazy" by any means, they just weren't that smart in school and/or were too lazy. Now they work a trade job (which is good anyways in many cases) or do constructions, etc etc. But hey this seems to be the case for 2 out of every 3 people I see who make average money.
The people I know who make excellent money, a vast majority are highly intelligent + hard working. And that seems to be the general rule for those making good money anyway. You'd be a fool to say those who are average achievers are as LIKELY as those who are high-achievers to be just as intelligent/hard working. That is by
DEFINITION incorrect, aka impossible.
But hey brah, keep living the american dream in your dream world, where kids are told in elementary school they can achieve anything they want.
I think you CAN ACHIEVE anything you want. If that was the case I think Barack Obama wouldn't have been the first black President. If you put your mind to it then you can do it. Please, stoop being a pessimist, it doesn't look good on you. Clearly, your cup of water is half empty.
The majority of rich people are rich because they made their hard work worth more per unit time.
Yes, in our society doing that is much easier at a young age before family/mortgage/full-time work are realities. But having "better opportunities" than someone else isn't always about getting lucky breaks that are unfair. Sometimes that may be the case. But generally opportunity favors the prepared.
Is this a physics problem because Work/Time=Power. I think NOT! I have nothing else to say on this manner.
I would love an answer from the two of you about the question I asked previously.
Define working hard. Who works harder. Kobe Bryant who spent an entire summer shooting hoops everyday or a construction worker who spent an entire summer helping build a new road or a hospital or a school? Or let's do something even simpler. Who works harder? A medical school student (or a physician) or a low income single mom who works two jobs to make ends meet?
I am not saying rich people got lucky breaks on their path to success (which apparently = money). I am sure most of them worked hard to get there. What I am saying is that the poor people are poor not because they didn't work hard or spent time smoking weed (like druggeek said). It is because they were put in a situation where this was their most accessible option.
When you are poor and your parents work two jobs, you don't come home and get on your laptop to write up the paper you need to get an A - you go out and work your ass off to contribute to the family. When you are poor and you have brothers, sisters and other family members to feed, the last thing you plan on doing is going to college and get into even more debt. When you are living pay check to pay check, the last thing you want to do is put money aside for your kids' college fund.
Both you sound a lot like
this guy.
Can someone answer his question because I love his post!
I, myself, grew up in a poor neighborhood, Bklyn, NY, but at the end I did accomplish a lot in my life. My mom makes less than 40, 000 a year, so I paid for college on my own by working two jobs and living off of scholarships. It is possible for kids from a lower income family to accomplish their dreams. If you want to be a doctor, you will be a doctor. It depends on how much you invested in your dreams. I feel like my ECs are probably better than some privileged kids on this forum,
. Actually, I say more than 75% I bet it is. I feel that people would look up more to someone who has the Rags to Riches story than someone who was just rich and snooty. Medical schools understand that there is a socioeconomic barrier and this is why there are plethora of opportunities for people who come from low income families.
