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Colonol Forbin said:
FUrthermore, I doubt there a very many DO students that had MD acceptances, but instead chose DO..
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Colonol Forbin said:
yes by law they are, but in reality they are not. most patients would choose MD over DO if they have the choice, unless that DO is very very reputable.
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Really? Care to show me the literature on that? You must be a practicing physician since it sounds like you are speaking from experience. I hope you realize that DOs and their perception in canada is completely different than DOs in the U.S.
 
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Colonol Forbin said:
yes by law they are, but in reality they are not. most patients would choose MD over DO if they have the choice, unless that DO is very very reputable.

I know a very good gastro in my area who is a DO. Most patients would choose the one who has a better rep DO or otherwise. It's not about the title, its about how good you are with people.
second, I ahve gotten into medical school....so dont tell me my odds
Being a psychology major.. I'm going to say that your lying. Why? Because if you were trying to make a point you would have likely stated what medical school you have gotten into.

and pcom AVERAGE is 3.43 gpa and 26 mcat

They also have more students with graduate degree's then Pritzker. PCOM is big on getting people with real world experience and non trads.

for almost any MD school, not only would you not get in with those state together, but you probably wouldnt get in with that mcat score even with a 3.9 - although im sure its happend, and IM sure there are exceptions i.e. non traditional appplicants that have solved cancer so to speak...but nonetheless...thats teh AVERAGE...meaning your getting people with 24/25 and 3.3s getting in - stats that NO MD school would accept
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While true there are DO schools who take people with 3.5/25's. You act as if 20% of these applicants to MD schools dont get in either.
The end result is that it doesn't matter what the entry numbers are. The end result is at the end of the day both DO and MD will be doctors.

Anyways this anti-DO bias is primarily a pre-med thing. It doesn't happen in hospitals really. Especially since 11% of the doctors in the US are DO's.
 
Colonol Forbin said:
...and as for you, im still waiting for you to show me a DO school thats harder to get into then an MD school, as you so claimed earlier
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This is NOT an all-inclusive list comparing only MCAT scores…
UNE-COM (AOA/DO): 27 (Class of 2012 and Class of 2013)
http://www.une.edu/com/admissions/criteria.cfm
Western-COMP (AOA/DO): 28 (class of 2012)
http://prospective.westernu.edu/osteopathic/competitive
Turo-COMP (AOA/DO): 27.90 (Class of 2012 and Class of 2013)
http://www.tu.edu/user_files/25/TUCOMpage3.htm

The following is a partial list of LCME (US-MD) schools with equal or Lower MCAT scores for 2008-2009 compared to the mentioned Osteopathic schools:

Howard University (US-MD): 8.3 = 24.9
Morehouse School of Medicine (US-MD): 8.7 = 26.1
Mercer University School of Medicine (US-MD): 8.7 = 26.1
Northeastern University (US-MD): 9.0 = 27
Ponce School of Medicine (US-MD): 7.3 = 21.9
Universidad Central Del Caribe (US-MD): 6.7 = 20.1
University of Puerto Rico School of Medicine (US-MD): 7.3 = 21.9
Meharry Medical College (US-MD): 7.7 = 23.1
Marshall University (US-MD): 9.0 = 27

I didn't even include about 9 other US-MD schools with MCAT averages of >27 but <28

Source: http://www.washington.edu/uaa/gateway/advising/downloads/gpamcat.pdf

All of the students from the abovementioned LCME accredited US-MD schools will graduate with the "coveted" MD-degree from the US when if just looking at MCAT scores they have "lower" stats. than some osteopathic schools&#8230;.

Having said that and to be clear, I have no doubt that all these students would be wonderful physicians, I just wanted to answer some questions.

I hope this answers your question.

 
Colonol Forbin said:
DO is not the same as MD

Theres a reason its easier to get into DO, and thus you cannot convince them it's equivalent bc it just simply isn't
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Colonol Forbin said:
really though? please enlighten me - what such schools? other then MAYBE the very best DO being harder then the absolute worst MD scholl, I dont think this is the case at all....

FUrthermore, I doubt there a very many DO students that had MD acceptances, but instead chose DO..of course there are exceptions, but for the most part this just doesnt happen
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Colonol Forbin said:
yes by law they are, but in reality they are not. most patients would choose MD over DO if they have the choice, unless that DO is very very reputable.

second, I ahve gotten into medical school....so dont tell me my odds

and pcom AVERAGE is 3.43 gpa and 26 mcat

for almost any MD school, not only would you not get in with those state together, but you probably wouldnt get in with that mcat score even with a 3.9 - although im sure its happend, and IM sure there are exceptions i.e. non traditional appplicants that have solved cancer so to speak...but nonetheless...thats teh AVERAGE...meaning your getting people with 24/25 and 3.3s getting in - stats that NO MD school would accept
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Did the extra chromosome allow you to apply as a URM???

Please, don't argue with this *****. OH ... and I got 20 bucks on you attending a Caribbean school next year.
 
JaggerPlate said:
Did the extra chromosome allow you to apply as a URM???

Please, don't argue with this *****. OH ... and I got 20 bucks on you attending a Caribbean school next year.
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This just made my night given the fact that I'm brushing up on some aneuploidies right now...👍
 
this will be so corny...but sooo true. It doesn't matter what is behind the name, only what is in front of the degree. Public perception on DO is changing, and I'm glad it is. 👍
 
JaggerPlate said:
Did the extra chromosome allow you to apply as a URM???

Please, don't argue with this *****. OH ... and I got 20 bucks on you attending a Caribbean school next year.
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alright buddy...i didnt get into md? really though, because im pretty certain Jefferson thinks otherwise

go **** yourself
 
serenade said:
While true there are DO schools who take people with 3.5/25's. You act as if 20% of these applicants to MD schools dont get in either.
The end result is that it doesn't matter what the entry numbers are. The end result is at the end of the day both DO and MD will be doctors.

Anyways this anti-DO bias is primarily a pre-med thing. It doesn't happen in hospitals really. Especially since 11% of the doctors in the US are DO's.
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clearly you needa brush up on you psychology skills...I'm not lying
 
JaggerPlate said:
Did the extra chromosome allow you to apply as a URM???

Please, don't argue with this *****. OH ... and I got 20 bucks on you attending a Caribbean school next year.
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o and mr. health student, where is it that you go again?
 
MD=DO. Just take the money and be happy. If you don't, IMO you're as stubborn as your parents. If you really for some weird reason still won't do it, just take loans out and go DO. You're going to have much harder choices to make in your life.
 
alrite **** it, ill concede, seems legit...i guess my canadian origins skewed me cos here it aint the same
 
This is why I don't roam the Pre-DOs as often because with have idiots talking like their intellectuals. 😎
 
Okay, punkmedgirl...ummm...you used "their" incorrectly....and you should have stated, "they're intellectuals," so I wouldn't degrade pre-DOs when you cannot spell correctly🙁...at any rate, good luck making your decision, and I wish you the best.
 
TJ87 said:
Okay, punkmedgirl...ummm...you used "their" incorrectly....and you should have stated, "they're intellectuals," so I wouldn't degrade pre-DOs when you cannot spell correctly🙁...at any rate, good luck making your decision, and I wish you the best.
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Are you mocking Jagger for correcting spelling and grammar?


Anyways WHO CARES HOW THINGS R SPELLED? WE R ON A THREAD NOT WRITING SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS.


I mean really? Really? It Is now an attack?

I didn't realize in the sdn tos that I had to proofread and spellcheck before hitting submit.
 
TJ87 said:
Okay, punkmedgirl...ummm...you used "their" incorrectly....and you should have stated, "they're intellectuals," so I wouldn't degrade pre-DOs when you cannot spell correctly🙁...at any rate, good luck making your decision, and I wish you the best.
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LOl. I'm sorry my dear spelling/grammar nazi but my point still remains the same.
 
RELAX11 said:
Are you mocking Jagger for correcting spelling and grammar?


Anyways WHO CARES HOW THINGS R SPELLED? WE R ON A THREAD NOT WRITING SCIENTIFIC JOURNALS.


I mean really? Really? It Is now an attack?

I didn't realize in the sdn tos that I had to proofread and spellcheck before hitting submit.
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I think he/she was mocking me.
 
Colonol Forbin said:
...and as for you, im still waiting for you to show me a DO school thats harder to get into then an MD school, as you so claimed earlier
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:scared:

should i apologize profusely for signing out of SDN and not responding immediately to the colonel?!?! (or should i say "colonol"?)
 
christina30 said:
:scared:

should i apologize profusely for signing out of SDN and not responding immediately to the colonel?!?! (or should i say "colonol"?)
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I spelled colonel wrong? really, I didnt know that? - perhaps there is a reason for alternate spelling....

Furthermore, again internet message board - not riting papers here - ye spelt wrong

and punk med girl - thank god for someone with some sense
 
Colonol Forbin said:
I spelled colonel wrong? really, I didnt know that? - perhaps there is a reason for alternate spelling....

Furthermore, again internet message board - not riting papers here - ye spelt wrong

and punk med girl - thank god for someone with some sense
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Question: If you believe that DO's are inferior to the almighty MD, then why do you even waste your time with us common folk?
 
posted in another thread by someone else....and sums up DO quite well

"There is not one med student in ten who consciously targets DO schools as the preferred school type. In other words, given an acceptance to a typical MD school and a typical DO school, all other considerations being equal, the vast majority of prospective med students will elect to attend the MD institution. This doesn't mean that DO students are stupider, but it does look like they're generally a step down in student quality from MD schools.

That doesn't mean DO schools suck. Consider college football: The BCS conferences get most (not all) of the top-flight recruits, but some (a minority) of the best choose to attend a school in a non-BCS conference. And of the supposedly "lesser" talents that go into the non-BCS school, many blossom into top-level NFL talent, while many of the BCS wünderkinden end up washing out for one reason or another and find themselves pumping gas for the rest of their lives. I think the situation of MD schools vs. DO schools is analogous. "
 
Colonol Forbin said:
posted in another thread by someone else....and sums up DO quite well

"There is not one med student in ten who consciously targets DO schools as the preferred school type. In other words, given an acceptance to a typical MD school and a typical DO school, all other considerations being equal, the vast majority of prospective med students will elect to attend the MD institution. This doesn't mean that DO students are stupider, but it does look like they're generally a step down in student quality from MD schools.

That doesn't mean DO schools suck. Consider college football: The BCS conferences get most (not all) of the top-flight recruits, but some (a minority) of the best choose to attend a school in a non-BCS conference. And of the supposedly "lesser" talents that go into the non-BCS school, many blossom into top-level NFL talent, while many of the BCS wünderkinden end up washing out for one reason or another and find themselves pumping gas for the rest of their lives. I think the situation of MD schools vs. DO schools is analogous. "
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You didn't answer my question.
 
Colonol Forbin said:
yes by law they are, but in reality they are not. most patients would choose MD over DO if they have the choice, unless that DO is very very reputable.

second, I ahve gotten into medical school....so dont tell me my odds

and pcom AVERAGE is 3.43 gpa and 26 mcat

for almost any MD school, not only would you not get in with those state together, but you probably wouldnt get in with that mcat score even with a 3.9 - although im sure its happend, and IM sure there are exceptions i.e. non traditional appplicants that have solved cancer so to speak...but nonetheless...thats teh AVERAGE...meaning your getting people with 24/25 and 3.3s getting in - stats that NO MD school would accept
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just want to point out, with a 3.9/26 your chance at and MD school would be ~50%.

http://www.aamc.org/data/facts/applicantmatriculant/table24-mcatgpa-grid-3yrs-app-accpt.htm
 
PunkmedGirl said:
You didn't answer my question.
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I never said anyone was inferior. I started to answer the OP who wanted to explain to her parents about how DO and MD are equivalent

I said they are not - clearly not knowing this is largely stigmitized on sdn

I by no means consider DO's 'inferior' by any means, I just point out the TRUTH that DO schools are considerably less competitive to get inot, meaning for the most part you have a lower quality applicant - not stupider or inferior, just not the same statistics
....this could be for a number of reasons, i.e. partying, not choosing the med path till later etc.
 
Colonol Forbin said:
posted in another thread by someone else....and sums up DO quite well

"There is not one med student in ten who consciously targets DO schools as the preferred school type. In other words, given an acceptance to a typical MD school and a typical DO school, all other considerations being equal, the vast majority of prospective med students will elect to attend the MD institution. This doesn't mean that DO students are stupider, but it does look like they're generally a step down in student quality from MD schools.

That doesn't mean DO schools suck. Consider college football: The BCS conferences get most (not all) of the top-flight recruits, but some (a minority) of the best choose to attend a school in a non-BCS conference. And of the supposedly "lesser" talents that go into the non-BCS school, many blossom into top-level NFL talent, while many of the BCS wünderkinden end up washing out for one reason or another and find themselves pumping gas for the rest of their lives. I think the situation of MD schools vs. DO schools is analogous. "
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I don't trust the opinion of anyone who believes "stupider" is a word.

That being said, your ignorant statements regarding DO's are totally off-topic and have nothing to do with the OP's question. So, to the OP: don't let ignorance sway your decision. If you're set on DO, then do it, with or without your parents' blessings or help. In the end, you're the one who has to live with your decision, not them.
 
As Bacchus has already made a plea to get this thread back on track, let me be quite clear here.

Colonol, having made a major faux pas earlier, is now making quite coherent discussion. Stop attacking him.

If there are further personal attacks in this thread or further disparaging remarks coming anywhere close to any physicians degree being argued as being inferior to another, the mods will be happy to oblige y'all and step in. Let me refer y'all to the sticky at the top of this forum found here. But really we'd rather not have to.

So play nicely together and act like the professionals you aspire to become.

Now back to your regular programming.
 
As Bacchus has already made a plea to get this thread back on track, let me be quite clear here.

Colonol, having made a major faux pas earlier, is now making quite coherent discussion. Stop attacking him.

If there are further personal attacks in this thread or further disparaging remarks coming anywhere close to any physicians degree being argued as being inferior to another, the mods will be happy to oblige y'all and step in. Let me refer y'all to the sticky at the top of this forum found here. But really we'd rather not have to.

So play nicely together and act like the professionals you aspire to become.

Now back to your regular programming.
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And Amen.
 
Alright ... I'm stepping in



Colonol Forbin said:
I never said anyone was inferior. I started to answer the OP who wanted to explain to her parents about how DO and MD are equivalent
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Really? So saying things like "lower caliber of applicants," "stupidier" (oh irony), etc are meant to project your fairness and sense of equality??? Read your below statement to confirm how asinine your argument (and overall existence) really is ...

Colonol Forbin said:
I said they are not - clearly not knowing this is largely stigmitized on sdn
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So, let me get this straight ... in your vast experience of living in Canada and planning on attending Sackler, a foreign medical school which would have, most likely, greatly decreased your chances of matching (compared to that of your DO counterparts) you've become an expert on both the equivalence of the US MD and the US DO degree, the caliber of applicants, and the stigma both with regard to SDN and the US health service system?? I'm curious ... when you reach this level of self-delusion and ignorance, are you even aware?

Not only do you understand nothing regarding the DO degree and how it is perceived in the real world (vs SDN), but, frankly, you seem to have a fairly weak grasp on the entire process in general.

Colonol Forbin said:
I by no means consider DO's 'inferior' by any means, I just point out the TRUTH that DO schools are considerably less competitive to get inot, meaning for the most part you have a lower quality applicant - not stupider or inferior, just not the same statistics
....this could be for a number of reasons, i.e. partying, not choosing the med path till later etc.
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Did you blatantly ignore the myriad of information Bala gave you??? Or does this simply not mesh with your seemingly flawless argument?? You have absolutely no basis or fact for anything you incoherently vomit in the rest of that paragraph, you simply parrot cheap talking points while simultaneously displaying pitiful personal research skills and ignorance.

Just to make myself clear ... you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I've seen this bias countless, countless times from people who are planning, attending, or were going to attend foreign medical schools, and their logical and arguments seem to get worse each time. It's a good thing you got that last minute interview/acceptance to Jefferson, because, frankly, with your attitude, demeanor, and communication skills, you're going to need every advantage you can get.

Furthermore, just to the MOD who, I'm sure, is now going to lock this thread ... the core of my argument is no more offense or obvious than his, I'm just not trying to skirt around the point. Do as you will.
 
JaggerPlate said:
Alright ... I'm stepping in





Really? So saying things like "lower caliber of applicants," "stupidier" (oh irony), etc are meant to project your fairness and sense of equality??? Read your below statement to confirm how asinine your argument (and overall existence) really is ...



So, let me get this straight ... in your vast experience of living in Canada and planning on attending Sackler, a foreign medical school which would have, most likely, greatly decreased your chances of matching (compared to that of your DO counterparts) you've become an expert on both the equivalence of the US MD and the US DO degree, the caliber of applicants, and the stigma both with regard to SDN and the US health service system?? I'm curious ... when you reach this level of self-delusion and ignorance, are you even aware?

Not only do you understand nothing regarding the DO degree and how it is perceived in the real world (vs SDN), but, frankly, you seem to have a fairly weak grasp on the entire process in general.



Did you blatantly ignore the myriad of information Bala gave you??? Or does this simply not mesh with your seemingly flawless argument?? You have absolutely no basis or fact for anything you incoherently vomit in the rest of that paragraph, you simply parrot cheap talking points while simultaneously displaying pitiful personal research skills and ignorance.

Just to make myself clear ... you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. I've seen this bias countless, countless times from people who are planning, attending, or were going to attend foreign medical schools, and their logical and arguments seem to get worse each time. It's a good thing you got that last minute interview/acceptance to Jefferson, because, frankly, with your attitude, demeanor, and communication skills, you're going to need every advantage you can get.

Furthermore, just to the MOD who, I'm sure, is now going to lock this thread ... the core of my argument is no more offense or obvious than his, I'm just not trying to skirt around the point. Do as you will.
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Thank you, Jag. No need for my response.
 
This forum is so off topic its most likely never getting back to the OP question... so I thought I would throw in a comment

I am also from Canada so when Colonel Forbin says "DO is viewed different in Canada" he is telling the truth. DO here is the equivalent to a Physiotherapist in the US. Its a sad truth. With that being said the rules have completely changed in the last few years and we can come back to do anything we want really.

But damn man, as a fellow Canadian, you are just making us look stupid.
 
listen JAGGER,

I already said DO in Canada is very different - and actually an FMG school is indeed better for res then a DO in this country

second yes - there is a lower calibre of applicant statistically - You just cannot deny that - MD school have quite a bit higher statistical matriculation averages

Once again, I am not saying you guys are inferior - as DrC pointed out, in canada that IS how it is, whether you like it or not or agree with it - its areality in THIS country, BUT clearly in the US that is not the case - I concede to that - I dont understand your argument anymore

...And lastly, thanks for stalking me thats a little creepy that you would wast e time doing so- but you forgot about one thing - I am still waiting to here from canadian schools - Sackler was not my only option, but at the time it was definitly in heavy consideration bc I was excited I got in to med skewl

Either way, I am ending this here - I just dont care anymore, good day to u sir
 
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