Pass / Fail DO Schools?

[disque71]

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Anyone have a list of pass / fail DO schools?

 

[PlasticMan]

NYCOM is P/F and Honors(top 10%).

 

[DORoe]

OUCOM is P/F

 

[Jayrod14]

Are you sure that OUCOM is pass/fail? I had no clue..........that makes it even more appealing.

 

[drdrtoledo]

OUCOM is 100% a pass fail school

Paradise... my friend, Paradise.

 

[futuredo32]

MSUCOM is pass/fail. Honors in most classes if you are above 90%.

 

[DrKeys]

MSUCOM is pass/fail. Honors in most classes if you are above 90%.

if you care about P/F then most likely, you're setting yourself up to do bad or you know you'll do bad.

for people who knows or trying to be top 10% of the class, they usually don't like the P/F system.. because you can get 90% plus on all the subjects.. but then you'll get a P just like everbody else (who just barely passing the exam). So when you apply for match.. those people compete with your spot and screw you out of your top choice. Do you want that? do you want to work hard in medical school only to find out you get screwed over by your (party animal classmates who just into the money and not care about the patient or potential malpractice?).


do yourself a service 🙂 choose a non-P/F school. that's just my two cents.
😡

 

[FutureDocDO]

do you want to work hard in medical school only to find out you get screwed over by your (party animal classmates who just into the money and not care about the patient or potential malpractice?).


do yourself a service 🙂 choose a non-P/F school. that's just my two cents.
😡

Those party animals will need to score high on COMLEX I, just like those gunners, in order to compete. 🙂

 

[futuredo32]

if you care about P/F then most likely, you're setting yourself up to do bad or you know you'll do bad.

for people who knows or trying to be top 10% of the class, they usually don't like the P/F system.. because you can get 90% plus on all the subjects.. but then you'll get a P just like everbody else (who just barely passing the exam). So when you apply for match.. those people compete with your spot and screw you out of your top choice. Do you want that? do you want to work hard in medical school only to find out you get screwed over by your (party animal classmates who just into the money and not care about the patient or potential malpractice?).


do yourself a service 🙂 choose a non-P/F school. that's just my two cents.
😡

I absolutely don't think that choosing a pass/fail school is setting anyone up to do bad. Students at MSUCOM go out of their way to help each other. If one person makes a chart to study from, they email it to the entire class. If a student finds a great website with helpful histopathology pictures, they emaill that out to the entire class. We all work together to help each other and hopefully, this will continue into our professional careers.
There are students who honor most, if not all, of their classes.

 

[kahoo99]

i agree, many of the best schools are P/F and the students do just fine.

 

[turkdlit]

do yourself a service 🙂 choose a non-P/F school. that's just my two cents.😡

Yeah, if I were to get into a P/F school such as Yale, Vanderbilt, Wash U. or Johns Hopkins, I would definately turn it down. Those schools are garbage

 

[DORoe]

Are you sure that OUCOM is pass/fail? I had no clue..........that makes it even more appealing.

Well it has been the two years I have been here

 

[DeLaughterDO]

TCOM is P/F 3rd and 4th years... no honors though 👎

They said there would be honors for the top 10%, but nothing ever came of it, so we're strictly P/F as far as transcripts are concerned. 3rd year grades to count toward GPA, though.

 

[Buckeye(OH)]

I absolutely don't think that choosing a pass/fail school is setting anyone up to do bad. Students at MSUCOM go out of their way to help each other. If one person makes a chart to study from, they email it to the entire class. If a student finds a great website with helpful histopathology pictures, they emaill that out to the entire class. We all work together to help each other and hopefully, this will continue into our professional careers.
There are students who honor most, if not all, of their classes.

Whether or not the school is P/F is irrelevant.


My school is not. Its raw score. WHat you get, is what you get; there is no curve, there are no excuses.

We all help each other blah blah. We all email each other ****, we all help each other out.

At the end of the day, Im definately happier knowning im not gonna be lumped in with the people that 'just' passed.

 

[yanky5]

I'm in NYCOM class of 2009 and we have a pass/fail/honors system. Personally, I like the system because it eliminates a lot of competition. I just try to pass because it is not worth killing myself to get in the top 10% since I think your better off sweating over the boards. All I can say is that there is absolutely NO competition in our school since most of the kids are just looking to pass like me so we all help each other out. I like the system.

All of you pre meds have to realize that most of you are not going to be able to get really high grades anyways, bec. medical school tests are much harder than the MCAT and those college tests you are taking plus the people their are much smarter than your college population of psycology and english majors. I know all of you are saying "when I'm in medical school, I'll start really working". Trust me, that it is much harder to achieve high scores in medical school, so if you aren't already studying 6 hours aday for college, then you won't all of the sudden change for medical school. So don't sweat over if the school has P/F unless you have an A average. Only those with A averages and those willing to study 6 hours a day will be able to get an A in medical school, trust me. If you are the super hard working dude who always stayed up every day studying in college, then you should worry about not going to a P/F school. Plus, you have to do really well on the boards or that A isn't worth much. Otherwize, it works to your advantage to go to a P/F school. Anyways, most schools have a P/F system nowadays. DOs ROCK

 

[Raven Feather]

I wish my school was pass/fail!!!!

 

[kkbmd2b]

the people their are much smarter than your college population of psycology and english majors.

Ahem. Excuse me, but what makes you think that psychology and English majors are less intelligent students than people majoring in other subjects? Do you not know that people with degrees in psychology and English comprise part of any medical school class? I don't want to start a flame war, but I would like to caution you not to make sweeping generalizations lest this English major begin correcting your grammatical errors in public! 😡

 

[yanky5]

Ahem. Excuse me, but what makes you think that psychology and English majors are less intelligent students than people majoring in other subjects? Do you not know that people with degrees in psychology and English comprise part of any medical school class? I don't want to start a flame war, but I would like to caution you not to make sweeping generalizations lest this English major begin correcting your grammatical errors in public! 😡

Actually, you are right about medical schools. They don't care whether you were a chemistry major or an english major, they just care about the GPA (which I think is stupid, but this is how it is). Sorry, being a biochemistry major myself, I have pride in my major and make fun of the non science majors. I think it is fun. You can make fun of me as well.

Anyways, everyone knows that english majors and psychology majors are dumb and that is why you are so offended (because it is true) Oh, and I had a 3.73 GPA

 

[):(]

Actually, you are right about medical schools. They don't care whether you were a chemistry major or an english major, they just care about the GPA (which I think is stupid, but this is how it is). Sorry, being a biochemistry major myself, I have pride in my major and make fun of the non science majors. I think it is fun. You can make fun of me as well.

Anyways, everyone knows that english majors and psychology majors are dumb and that is why you are so offended (because it is true)

Psychology is a science. You put down other majors because you rationalize your bad grades by saying psychology and English majors have an easier time. Maybe you had trouble with your pee pee as a youngster, who knows? I won't flame you anymore.

 

[gottalovemilk]

Psychology is a science. You put down other majors because you rationalize your bad grades by saying psychology and English majors have an easier time. Maybe you had trouble with your pee pee as a youngster, who knows? I won't flame you anymore.

although psychology is a social science, it is a 'soft science' and in no way can be compared to a 'hard science' such as biochemistry. it takes more intellect to do well in a hard science by far than a soft science like psychology or sociology.

to make help make my point better, when calculating SCIENCE GPA for DO or MD applications, psychology does NOT count towards it while biochemistry DOES.

 

[Buckeye(OH)]

Are you honestly going to try encompass psych in the same stage of difficulty as something like molecular gen or biochem?

Please.

If psych were a real science, what is the explanation for the fact that psychology majors have an overall higher gpa then other actual science majors? I'll give you a hint...its not because psych kids are smarter.

 

[Raven Feather]

What is hard for some is only relevant to his or her ability. I am a Liberal Studies Major but my area of concentration was natural science--I received a 4.0 in all my prereqs for med school including upper level courses such as biochem, genetics, and Human Gross Anatomy. Does that mean I am dumb? Please. To be 100% honest, I thought the sciences were rigorous but my hardest class ever for me?= Senior level Anthropology course--required use of a totally different part of my brain than I was used to using in the sciences.

 

[Raven Feather]

Are you honestly going to try encompass psych in the same stage of difficulty as something like molecular gen or biochem?

Please.

If psych were a real science, what is the explanation for the fact that psychology majors have an overall higher gpa then other actual science majors? I'll give you a hint...its not because psych kids are smarter.[/QUOTE]

And it may not be because they aren't either.

 

[):(]

Does it matter? We are all applying to medical school so we all have to take the same science courses. Plus I am actually doing a neurobiology degree, but I keep thinking about switching to psychology because I love it. There are reasons why medical schools do not give advantages to those who are natural science majors.

 

[Raven Feather]

Does it matter? We are all applying to medical school so we all have to take the same science courses. Plus I am actually doing a neurobiology degree, but I keep thinking about switching to psychology because I love it. There are reasons why medical schools do not give advantages to those who are natural science majors.

Nope, it does not matter! I say switch to psychology!

 

[theraball]

although psychology is a social science, it is a 'soft science' and in no way can be compared to a 'hard science' such as biochemistry. it takes more intellect to do well in a hard science by far than a soft science like psychology or sociology.

to make help make my point better, when calculating SCIENCE GPA for DO or MD applications, psychology does NOT count towards it while biochemistry DOES.

You make some interesting assertions. I can see your point that a science major may well have more difficulty making straight A's than a so-called soft science major (or, by extension, most liberal arts majors). Science courses tend to have all-or-nothing types of exams where you either know the answer or you don't. There's no room for fuzzy, in-between, partial-credit types of answers (though my Physics course does try to give points even for wrong answers if you demonstrate a general understanding of the concept despite your incorrect conclusion). A person who majors in Chemistry or Physics or Biology and gets 4.0 GPA should have worked very hard indeed.

However to conclude that a non-science or "soft science" major is less "intelligent" is a leap of logic. Historiography and historical analysis are as challenging as any scientific discipline, if not more so.

One could argue that relatively light weight majors such as education and ethnic studies which were basically invented for political reasons do attract a lesser caliber of student who might do much more poorly in science and traditional letters, but if the comparison is between science and traditional letters it's hardly fair to state that one requires a higher I.Q. than the other. Such an assertion says loads about the analytical ability of the advocate of such a narrow view.

It should also be noted that biology majors tend to do worse on the MCAT than liberal arts majors, which is not too surprising because the MCAT is a test of reasoning ability. The MCAT is also a good indicator of how well a student will do in his first year of medical school and how well he will do on the board exams.

Liberal Arts and "soft social science" majors can take some comfort that they did not choose the wrong field to prepare themselves for medicine and indeed many of them bring to the table a refreshingly different background that will likely make them more well rounded as physicians.

 

[colt]

It should also be noted that biology majors tend to do worse on the MCAT than liberal arts majors, which is not too surprising because the MCAT is a test of reasoning ability. The MCAT is also a good indicator of how well a student will do in his first year of medical school and how well he will do on the board exams.

Liberal Arts and "soft social science" majors can take some comfort that they did not choose the wrong field to prepare themselves for medicine and indeed many of them bring to the table a refreshingly different background that will likely make them more well rounded as physicians.

👍

 

[drjds]

Psychology is a science. You put down other majors because you rationalize your bad grades by saying psychology and English majors have an easier time. Maybe you had trouble with your pee pee as a youngster, who knows? I won't flame you anymore.

I mean really, what does this argument have to do with the thread or the price of tea in China? Can y'all stick to answering the question in the thread? 😕 🙄

 

[disque71]

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[slimshady83]

I wanted to resurrect this thread because I saw one called "Schools with true P/F system (no internal ranking) for years 1 & 2" in pre-allo. I couldn't find an equivalent one in pre-osteo. Does anyone know where I could find a list of DO schools that are pass/fail (with no internal ranking) for the first two years? Do they even exist? I think that this would take a lot of the pressure off of the beginning of med school. Knowing myself, if the school was pass/fail but had internal rankings listed in dean's letters for residency applications I would put just as much pressure on myself to do well. Obviously I want to learn a lot in the first two years but I think they could be much less painful with a P/F system.

 

[sexyman]

Is VCOM pass/fail? I think it is.

 

[xcrunner]

if you care about P/F then most likely, you're setting yourself up to do bad or you know you'll do bad.

for people who knows or trying to be top 10% of the class, they usually don't like the P/F system.. because you can get 90% plus on all the subjects.. but then you'll get a P just like everbody else (who just barely passing the exam). So when you apply for match.. those people compete with your spot and screw you out of your top choice. Do you want that? do you want to work hard in medical school only to find out you get screwed over by your (party animal classmates who just into the money and not care about the patient or potential malpractice?).


do yourself a service 🙂 choose a non-P/F school. that's just my two cents.
😡

just because its pass fail doesnt mean they dont rank you. I interviewed at a few schools that do pass fail, but the proffessors still keep track of where you rank in the class based on the tests you take. ( i think its called inside ranking or something, and i think 90% of schools allo/osteo do that) So just because you pass, that doesnt mean you wont graduate last in your class. NSU is P/F example, in order to get into derm you have to perform in the 90% on your boards, but at the same time also bein the top 3% (about six students) in your class. That ranking is based on that "inside ranking" system

 

[simpleman]

Is VCOM pass/fail? I think it is.

nope, its not!! but they are thinking about changing it to P/F for next year's class...

 

[BIGNE]

just because its pass fail doesnt mean they dont rank you. I interviewed at a few schools that do pass fail, but the proffessors still keep track of where you rank in the class based on the tests you take. ( i think its called inside ranking or something, and i think 90% of schools allo/osteo do that) So just because you pass, that doesnt mean you wont graduate last in your class. NSU is P/F example, in order to get into derm you have to perform in the 90% on your boards, but at the same time also bein the top 3% (about six students) in your class. That ranking is based on that "inside ranking" system

what does he mean by this? so there is ranking after all even though its pass/fail? can someone explain?

 

[slimshady83]

So it looks like DO schools with no internal rankings for the first two years simply do not exist. Can anyone verify?

 

[Beau Geste]

To me, it seems like all schools are technically pass/fail. Some just keep better tabs on the pass with grades.

Most school have a pass cutoff at what, 65 or 70? Anything above that and you're still a med student, regardless.

 

[Darktide]

MSUCOM does P/F with NO internal rankings for the first two years... Though they do record of you landed in the top 10% in a specific subject

They just dont tell you, or record, that you were 83rd out of 202 or whatever...

 

[cheezer]

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