Path to PA - I don't think I can afford to be an EMT for a year or three

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I understand and respect the 2000-hour requirement by most PA schools. I know the position was meant for experienced paramedics, nurses, etc., with a wealth of experience from which to draw. I have a degree but none of the pre-med courses, and I was planning on starting to take them 2-at-a-time in January while continuing to work full-time as a paralegal. However, after 150 hours volunteering in the hospitals and some shadowing of docs and PAs, I've decided to go the PA route. (A decision I made when I thought 500 hours of volunteering would suffice for admission.)

Suddenly 2000 hours - seems like schools specify full-time, paid work - means a year of full-time employment. And given the application calendar and the competitiveness of PA school, I better be ready to spend a few years in that specific vocation. (The angel on my shoulder has just informed me that it makes sense for an EMT to have to do that for a year and then be a paramedic for three years before PA school.) I'm ready to sacrifice and drain myself with work and studying, but I'm also 26 with a mortgage. I might be able to afford making $15k for a year, but not two or three.

I live near Dallas's biggest community college and work near the second biggest - both have extensive health care career course offerings. It'd be awesome to find an ER tech job, but I don't really want to do transfers for a couple years after an EMT course. Are there any other health professions accessible by community college programs that are perhaps more lucrative? Or maybe feature some overlap with the PA school pre-reqs?
 
resp. therapist, lpn, rn are all good choices, pay well, and are available at most cc's.
 
I struggle with this subject myself. I'm a non-trad student, and just got accepted to PA school. I have about 2500 hours of paid work experience, I guess, which I racked up when working as an ER tech was my part-time job, as well as now, when it's full-time.

On the one hand, I met kids on the interview trail who are not yet done with undergrad. They may have 150 hours of shadowing and volunteering, like you, but based on the presentation the PA students gave, some kids do get accepted with only 25 to 50 hours experience. Not to sound like a grumpy old man, but to my mind there's no way that's enough. If nothing else, how can someone be confident that PA is the career for them, as opposed to MD/DO, Rad Tech, RT, or Nursing?

On the other hand, some of us have spent plenty of time learning what we don't want, and we may well have a better-than-average ability to recognize a career we can excel at, and be happy with. It's not like you'd be going into it blind, or without thinking it through. (If you are, hopefully some adcom member will grill you into submission and send you away for a year to get your head screwed on.)

What I've come around to is the opinion that there is a threshhold, though I can't say just where it is, when "a little experience" turns into "real experience." I think as much as anything it has to do with the mindset that you're willing to spend 2000 hours, whether or not it turns out you need to.

I think what I've learned is, don't fixate on what makes you a better PA school applicant. Do what will make you a better PA in the long run. Think about the path you'd want the PA treating you, or your family, to have followed.

I know I'll be a better PA because of my 2500 hours than I would have been if somehow I'd been admitted after just 250. Hours 2100 to 2400 are more important than hours 200 to 600, if you follow. And I am not shy about saying, I have some doubts about those classmates of mine who barely know which end of the stethoscope to use. They'll probably prove me wrong in short order, but if anyone at school is intimidated by my experience working in the ED, there's a part of my brain that wants to say, "good."

That was long-winded, but the upshot is: why not keep the Paralegal job, at least part-time, and work as an ED tech too? Be prepared to do it for two full years, and you may find you don't have to.
 
great post feb.
agree entirely.
having worked with/precepted folks at a 1000 hr prereq program I am in favor of 2000+ hrs of direct pt care experience(not lab work, not folding sheets in the hospital, not handing out meals at the retirement home, and definitely not being a receptionist for your husband the internist).
 
Right now I'm working on my biology degree. I have 2 more years left. I want to go to PA school. I plan on working after school for a year or 2 or maybe get a masters in Public Health. What job would you suggest that I can do w/my biology degree that would help me get into PA school/be a better PA.
 
Well, that's sort of the problem -- a biology degree will put you in a good spot for getting the most out of an in-hospital training program that would get you a job working in a lab. But that wouldn't be the best kind of experience for the medical world, which is what PA school prep should be about. And it would not be a step up for someone with a four-year biology degree, anyway.

Basically, if there's no chance you'll ever get pee, barf, or poop on you, it's perhaps not the right kind of experience. If there's zero chance you'd ever be in the room when someone is born or someone dies, it's maybe not something that will give you the best approximation of what life in medicine is all about.

Is it possible for you to work part-time (8 to 24 hours a week) while you're still in school? That way, you'd have some experience when you finish undergrad, and more importantly you'd have a clearer idea of how you'd enjoy a life working in medicine.

You'd be amazed how many people get to third year of med school, and then discover they hate being around sick people. PA school is supposed to be designed to protect students (and patients) from these situations.
 
There seems to be an alarming lack of understanding amongst the webs plethora of would-be PA posters. I know this is an instant gratification society, but take a step back for just one moment, and realize there was a time when people worked for things. The PA profession is meant for those who have a history of working in the medical field, hence the hours requirement. Admission is not an intitlement, nor is it an item to be quickly ordered up at the local Wendy's drive-through (Nor is it a "Fall-back" career, as many ignorant posters would suggest). If you do not have the patience and work ethic to accrue YEARS of experience (And LIKE IT), you will not be a good PA. Period.
 
There seems to be an alarming lack of understanding amongst the webs plethora of would-be PA posters. I know this is an instant gratification society, but take a step back for just one moment, and realize there was a time when people worked for things. The PA profession is meant for those who have a history of working in the medical field, hence the hours requirement. Admission is not an intitlement, nor is it an item to be quickly ordered up at the local Wendy's drive-through (Nor is it a "Fall-back" career, as many ignorant posters would suggest). If you do not have the patience and work ethic to accrue YEARS of experience (And LIKE IT), you will not be a good PA. Period.
agree- I have a big problem with the newer programs that will accept applicants without experience( 15 of 140, but still an alarming trend).
 
Blunt, but pretty much on the mark, guetz.
 
I'd hate to start anything here, but I have to comment on the posts about medical experience and in particular the quote: "If you do not have the patience and work ethic to accrue YEARS of experience (And LIKE IT), you will not be a good PA. Period." As medical knowledge continues to grow and the need for mid-level practicioners expands, I don't know that the PA profession can continue to push the 2000+ hours of medical experience criteria and keep up. In fact, I think it's evident that we cannot, as the average hours of medical experience and average age of applicants to PA schools has significantly declined in the past few years (according to the AAPA survey).

Plus, I would love to see some evidence that people with lots medical experience are better PAs than those with less medical experience, but who are intelectually up to the academic challenge of PA school (ie. not just personal anecdotes about who you prefer to work with). I say this because I am currently in PA school at a top five school and if I had to rank my classmates as to who I would trust as a PA and who I wouldn't, the smarter people without as much medical experience would far and away top the less intelligent people with up to 12 years of medical experience. Just because you've been a respiratory tech, ER tech, or EMT for years doesn't mean you'll be a good PA if you can't grasp the material as well as someone who doesn't have the experience. People who have been in the medical field for longer have also been out of school for longer, and at least in my experience, just don't "get it" academically as well as the younger students with less experience.

So, I guess I would just offer a word of encouragement to interested people who maybe don't have as much experience but do have a really strong academic background - don't let all of the naysayers discourage you. Apply to school anyway and see what happens. Personally, I applied with next to no clincal experience (besides three years of being a pharmacy tech in high school and six months of shadowing a PA - but definitely no pooping, peeing, or dying going on around me), but I had a 4.0 in my master's degree (public health) and a 3.8 in undergrad biology. Not only do I consistently score 100% or close on all of my academic exams, but I also get very positive reviews on my clinical evaluations as well. As I've always said, being smart gets you places. And the patience and work ethic to acquire YEARS of experience isn't soleywhat will determine whether or not you are a good PA. If you've got the brains and the dedication (and you're not a reject with no personal skills), you can be a good PA. Period.
 
"I would love to see some evidence that people with lots medical experience are better PAs than those with less medical experience"

sorry but your question begs an anecdotal response.....
I work in 2 facilities. one uses mostly grads from ms level programs with minimal experience and the other uses mostly grads from older established programs that require considerable experience(although a few of us got our ms degrees as postgrads).
there is no comparison between the quality of work done by the folks at these 2 facilities. at the "low experience/high degree" facility many of the providers are challenged by simple presentations of common problems. at the "high experience/certificate/as/bs " dept the pa's run the show and see everything that comes in the door, often doing consults for the docs because they know more about a given topic or procedure than the doc working at the time......the pa's at facility 2 do all of the complex lac repair, all of the ortho, most of the belly pain evals, etc as well as work up chest pain, cva/tia type complaints, trauma, etc
there is a difference. as a clinician and pa student preceptor I can always tell the difference between those with significant(medic/rn/rt) prior experience and those without. period.
 
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sorry but your question begs an anecdotal response......

clearly, on a procedural basis, those who have more experience will be better able to execute in the short term. that's a given. but i'd be willing to bet those sorts of things even out over the six months to two years (depending on the person), and in the end, those with the brains will be the better providers. and perhaps the skills you are talking about apply more in an emergency room/urgent care facility than in other areas? i could see how you would have a bias towards that, given your paramedic background and emergency medicine PA experience. i just question whether or not that applies to all areas.

and, just to throw in some more "anecdotal" experience, our clinical coordinator said he is getting far more employment requests from docs who want someone without prior medical experience so they can be molded and taught to fulfill the requirements of the job without having to be broken of prior habits in the first place.
 
just to be clear...there are those with brains AND prior experience. it isn't one or the other. my undergrad gpa was 3.97 and I still managed to get 10 yrs of experience before become a pa.....

"but i'd be willing to bet those sorts of things even out over the six months to two years "

in my experience the magic # is around 5 yrs for emergency medicine pa's. at that point with folks working side by side seeing the same pts it seems to even out for everything except situations in which an uncommon procedure comes up that someone with experience(say a paramedic) has done in their prior life(like putting an I.O. in a 2 yr old) and someone without that experience has never done.
 
I'm curious as to why PAs put such a huge premium on clinical experience while medical schools only require about 100-500 hours. What's the rationale for requiring 2000 hours when med schools (a longer road to the degree) require significantly less?
 
PAs have to practice medicine after 2 Years.
 
In addition, doctors have a residency of around ~3-7 years to hone and polish their clinical skills.

PA's however have to hit the ground running and someone with background has a much easier time then those whose only experience was aquired in PA school.

-Mike
 
Sorry. It still doesn't make sense to me. A PA has to practice in two years. So what? A PA doesn't have a residency. So what? I just don't think having 2000 hours experience as a CNA will prepare me to be a PA. It may prepare me to communicate with patients, but that's about it since the job responsibilities/duties of a CNA and a PA vary quite a bit.

Also, I'm not sold on the idea that 2000 hours will make one a better PA. My cousin is a PA. He volunteered in a hospital and got about around 300 hours before he went to PA school. He hit the ground running just fine.

If PA schools are worried about patient interaction, then maybe the rotations should be two years instead of one or maybe there should be a year post-grad internship or something.

In addition, doctors have a residency of around ~3-7 years to hone and polish their clinical skills.

It's not to polish their clinical skills. It's to enhance their knowledge of their specialty. You can't really say that the reason they don't require nearly as much clinical exposure is because they have residency. It's a totally separate issue. They don't require as much clinical exposure because they know that no other job in the hospital is going to tell them what it's like to be a doctor, so what's the point?
 
Sorry. It still doesn't make sense to me. A PA has to practice in two years. So what? A PA doesn't have a residency. So what? I just don't think having 2000 hours experience as a CNA will prepare me to be a PA. It may prepare me to communicate with patients, but that's about it since the job responsibilities/duties of a CNA and a PA vary quite a bit.

Also, I'm not sold on the idea that 2000 hours will make one a better PA. My cousin is a PA. He volunteered in a hospital and got about around 300 hours before he went to PA school. He hit the ground running just fine.

If PA schools are worried about patient interaction, then maybe the rotations should be two years instead of one or maybe there should be a year post-grad internship or something.



It's not to polish their clinical skills. It's to enhance their knowledge of their specialty. You can't really say that the reason they don't require nearly as much clinical exposure is because they have residency. It's a totally separate issue. They don't require as much clinical exposure because they know that no other job in the hospital is going to tell them what it's like to be a doctor, so what's the point?

It sounds to me like you have already made up your mind.

However, I will try and answer your questions again and in some semblance to the order you posted them.

First off, there are quite a few PA residencies for those who feel they would benefit.

In addition, there are a number of reasons why some schools may require that amount of time. I will list a few:

1. There are a ton of people applying to PA school and making people have this kind of experience weeds out quite a few who are not really all that dedicated.

2. In addition, a lot of people who apply and quite a few that I went to school with (where they have no such requirement) have absolutely no idea of what they are getting into. We actually had people who were surprised that their patients would burp, fart, have stinky feet and could be rude. If you have a certain amount of patient care experience then you are better prepared for the human condition. They also have no concept of a PAs place in the healthcare system.

3. There is a ton of information that is thrown at you in PA school. The quote most often used is "drinking from a firehose" and I think this illustrates it very well. With some patient care experience, you have some sort of a background on which to base things and a framework in which to put new ideas and concepts. For instance, there are a lot of our students who did not even know what an enema was. So, while the teacher has gone past that and is explaining something else they are trying to look up enema in their medical dictionary. Now granted, you will still not know what everything is, but at least there are some things that you will already know and won't have to struggle with every single name and concept.

4. Patient interaction is a huge part of your clinical rotations and those hours would help an incredible amount. They could make PA school two years of clinicals, but then why not just go to med school for an extra year of work and be a doctor.

As far as the hours making you a better PA. You and your cousin may be just fine without the hours. However, it helps most folks. Ask most PA preceptors and they can tell a huge difference in-between those with prior experience and those starting from scratch. If you have to teach a student what color an oxygen tank is and how to turn it on, then you are wasting valuable time where you could be teaching them higher-order skills.

I beg to differ about honing and polishing their clinical skills. Ask most folks who have been around in the medical field for more than a few years and who have seen where the residents start out and how they finish up, then there is little doubt that it happens.

I also think you're missing the entire point about the number of years. Doctors have a longer period to train and PA's have a shorter period. So, in order to bring the two closer together (keep in mind, they are still very far apart), they want the PA student to have some clinical hours. It just helps to even things out a little.

Actually, I can say (and am saying exactly) that the reason they don't require as much clinical exposure is because they have a residency.

I also get from your post that any training that is not in the field your going into is wasted. I disagree, you derive benefit from all experience in your life. I was a scrub tech, EMT and MT before going into PA school (as well as many other non-medical jobs) and I had a huge benefit over a lot of my classmates. My best friend was a CNA and taught me a lot about floor care that he participated in or witnessed.

I did not keep my mind and ears shut all the years that I worked in healthcare and I learned a tremendous amount. While I was in PA school I learned the reasons for a lot of the things that I had seen done over the years and was able to gain a deeper understanding than a lot of classmates.

In the end it does not matter if you learn from a doctor, PA, nurse or janitor, as long as you learn.

If all of this does not change your mind a bit, then keep in mind that whatever you think, if you want to get into PA school, then you have to jump through their hoops. There were several courses and countless papers that I thought were totally unneccesary in PA school. It mattered not one bit what I thought. I had to do them (and well) if I wanted to graduate, so I did them.

-Mike
 
Semantics, Gabby.... Besides, there are many of the opinion, EMEDPA Included, that 'Hit the ground running or no', the first five years or so 'IS' basically a residency for the PA. Hence the ongoing debate regarding specialty certification programs vs OJT (Some folks can't wrap their head around the idea that PAs are adaptable enough to learn a specialty w/o such a program. In either case, the first few years is a learning curve of sorts).
 
"I just don't think having 2000 hours experience as a CNA will prepare me to be a PA."

I don't either...appropriate "experience" in my mind for pa school is paramedic, resp. therapist, lpn/rn, and a few similar fields that require at least 1 yr of training to complete. if it was up to me pa programs would not accept those with low level experience, volunteering, or shadowing. that is what the profession was founded on. a few schools still hold to this and they consistently graduate the most capable pa's.
 
Can I have a "Yeah"!!
 
Go ahead, fire back, I'm trying to learn : )

I'm trying to choose a program that fits me. From my perspective, the best way to do this is to spend time Shadowing, because then I can talk to people who are doing what I might one day do.

If I want to work in oncology (for example), I can see how being an EMT might help me, but it's probably not going to help me make my decision.

I think it's absurd that kids enter med school with little to no "clinical" experience, but a huge percentage have "research" experience (like my family doc having done a poster project on some protein is really going to me happy he's treating me). But then, I also think the MCAT is an absurd experiment in dedication, and so is a lot of the md school process. Everybody gotta deal with The Man in their own way.

I've seen my share of poop, vomit, urine, seizures, broken arms, chemo and radiation treatments. As a teacher I've sent kids home for suspected (then confirmed) ringworm, lice (way worse than vomit in my book), conjunctivitis, varicella, etc. I've helped get kids diagnosed with learning disorders, get speech therapy, I've helped kids with autism, diabetes, and "behavioral disorders" (perhaps worse than lice, when you're living with them).

I don't remember the color of the oxygen tanks. Does that make me a bad future healthcare provider?

If you tell me I have to jump through hoops, I'll jump. But hoops are just hoops. I believe in hands-on learning. I'm also sure that I have some clinical skills already available to me, especially the communication aspect of clinical work, including an ability to tolerate annoying patients, staff, and paperwork. Maybe that's not as cool as being able to say I've watched patients bleed out, or know how it feels to crack ribs doing chest compressions. Nobody's ready for all aspects of clinical work their first day.

A lot of PAs on the PA forum complain about being pigeonholed. How about pigeonholing prePAs a little less?
 
sounds like you have some prior experience that will be helpful with the patient interaction part of being a health care provider. this is more than many current applicants have. the reason the "old timers" like to see students with prior education and training in medicine is that it makes the clinical education process easier for everyone. when pa students rotate with me they usually spend around 200 hrs or so(depending on the program) in my dept.
we can spend that 200 hrs learning how to set up a sterile field and draw blood or we can use it learning how to suture, do abg's, work up chest pain or fever in a infant. it's all about getting the most bang for you buck as it were. when someone leaves my er rotation I would like to feel like they are safe beginners at least when evaluating common problems and performing common procedures. if we spend 200 hrs on "this is absorbable suture, the package is purple" instead of "pull this way to reduce the dislocation" then the student doesn't get the most out of their rotation.
I'm old fashioned. I like my pa students to be paramedics, nurses, and resp therapists. these folks can maximize their learning in a short period of time. everyone gets something out of a clinical rotation but those with significant prior medical training and experience have a better foundation upon which to build more advanced skills and assessments.
 
Go ahead, fire back, I'm trying to learn : )

I'm trying to choose a program that fits me. From my perspective, the best way to do this is to spend time Shadowing, because then I can talk to people who are doing what I might one day do.

If I want to work in oncology (for example), I can see how being an EMT might help me, but it's probably not going to help me make my decision.

I think it's absurd that kids enter med school with little to no "clinical" experience, but a huge percentage have "research" experience (like my family doc having done a poster project on some protein is really going to me happy he's treating me). But then, I also think the MCAT is an absurd experiment in dedication, and so is a lot of the md school process. Everybody gotta deal with The Man in their own way.

I've seen my share of poop, vomit, urine, seizures, broken arms, chemo and radiation treatments. As a teacher I've sent kids home for suspected (then confirmed) ringworm, lice (way worse than vomit in my book), conjunctivitis, varicella, etc. I've helped get kids diagnosed with learning disorders, get speech therapy, I've helped kids with autism, diabetes, and "behavioral disorders" (perhaps worse than lice, when you're living with them).

I don't remember the color of the oxygen tanks. Does that make me a bad future healthcare provider?

If you tell me I have to jump through hoops, I'll jump. But hoops are just hoops. I believe in hands-on learning. I'm also sure that I have some clinical skills already available to me, especially the communication aspect of clinical work, including an ability to tolerate annoying patients, staff, and paperwork. Maybe that's not as cool as being able to say I've watched patients bleed out, or know how it feels to crack ribs doing chest compressions. Nobody's ready for all aspects of clinical work their first day.

A lot of PAs on the PA forum complain about being pigeonholed. How about pigeonholing prePAs a little less?

I'm confused as to who you're responding to.

Part of your post mentioned oxygen tanks, which I think is a reference to me and the point was not that you really knew the color of the tanks. I was using it as an illustration of basic knowledge someone with zero practical, medical experience might not have. I specifically stated to the poster that not having experience may not be detrimental to them, but to most it would.

I'm also confused about your pigeonholing comment. Who pigeonholed you and how? Since I can't seem to find a previous post of yours on this thread, I'm wondering if you are you posting under a different name or are you just taking all the comments personally?

I, for one, was very careful to talk in general terms and make disclaimers when I was not. I think that most of the posters were talking in general terms and also from years of personal experience.

As for your personal experience communicating with patients and interaction in general, those things will help you a great deal and will give you a leg-up over others.

-Mike
 
sounds like you have some prior experience that will be helpful with the patient interaction part of being a health care provider. this is more than many current applicants have. the reason the "old timers" like to see students with prior education and training in medicine is that it makes the clinical education process easier for everyone. when pa students rotate with me they usually spend around 200 hrs or so(depending on the program) in my dept.
we can spend that 200 hrs learning how to set up a sterile field and draw blood or we can use it learning how to suture, do abg's, work up chest pain or fever in a infant. it's all about getting the most bang for you buck as it were. when someone leaves my er rotation I would like to feel like they are safe beginners at least when evaluating common problems and performing common procedures. if we spend 200 hrs on "this is absorbable suture, the package is purple" instead of "pull this way to reduce the dislocation" then the student doesn't get the most out of their rotation.
I'm old fashioned. I like my pa students to be paramedics, nurses, and resp therapists. these folks can maximize their learning in a short period of time. everyone gets something out of a clinical rotation but those with significant prior medical training and experience have a better foundation upon which to build more advanced skills and assessments.

Shouldn't this be covered in their PA program? The basic physical tasks are part of the didactic curriculum. We learned how to suture, cast, set up a sterile field etc in school. Depending on what your previous experience was you may never have been exposed to any of those things. I think what previous experience does is gives you some confidence dealing with patients. Learn how to approach people etc.

David Carpenter, PA-C
 
Shouldn't this be covered in their PA program? The basic physical tasks are part of the didactic curriculum. We learned how to suture, cast, set up a sterile field etc in school. Depending on what your previous experience was you may never have been exposed to any of those things. I think what previous experience does is gives you some confidence dealing with patients. Learn how to approach people etc.

David Carpenter, PA-C


there is a big difference between spending a few minutes doing something in a procedures lab and doing it full time for 3-5 yrs before pa school.
would you let a pa student do a procedure on you( say a foley, iv or abg) who had done it once before 8 months before their rotation?
in my experience as an em pa precptor for > 10 yrs,paramedics, er nurses, and resp. therapists are way ahead of the game when they do em rotations in pa school vs someone without prior experience of this type.
those with other experiences like speech therapist, physical therapist, etc do have the pt interaction thing down as you state above but still require fairly involved precepting(at least in em) vs the folks I mentioned above who already have a pretty good idea about what needs to be done, they just need some fine tuning.
 
I was talking about "pigeonholing" in general terms too -just like many people assume PAs are only given the kids w/ colds (the easy stuff) and PAs can be frustrated with that, it's frustrating as a student trying to find a way into healthcare to find others assuming that a lack of clinical experience necessarily makes me (and other inexperienced applicants) a less capable trainee.

Personally, in my field, I've found new trainee's abilities to learn vary mostly due to their willingness to learn and to do what they are told -a general eagerness to participate tempered by common sense and knowing their role-it's all about the attitude and ability to retain knowledge.

What I'm hearing in this forum and on the PA.com forum is that it's easier to teach me if I've already done procedures in a different position -so basically, you want someone else to teach me that stuff, so you can teach me other things.

I also relate to not wanting an inexperienced pa to put in a foley, etc, but no matter what your title is, you still have to practice everything. I'm still gonna have to learn it, I'm still not gonna be experienced. I'm not sure why the title you hold while learning should matter -as a patient, it would be nice to know who, among the many working on me, had done whatever technique the most, the best, but we all know that if it worked that way, the new folks would never be allowed to do anything on a conscious pt 🙂 I know there have been threads dedicated to that, heck, there are books dedicated to that aspect of medical education and the ethics involved.

I especially like emdpa's response about dislocation -I had an ER DOC who thought he reset my son's elbow (oh, he just has some residual pain, that's why he's not moving it)....sigh. Maybe his trainers had to spend too much time showing him where things are.
 
I agree that everyone has to learn the basics sometime however you will get more out of a rotation if you spend your time on forming a differential diagnosis, medical decision making and advanced procedures as opposed to learning stuff that an experienced applicant would know before starting pa school.
 
Right now I'm working on my biology degree. I have 2 more years left. I want to go to PA school. I plan on working after school for a year or 2 or maybe get a masters in Public Health. What job would you suggest that I can do w/my biology degree that would help me get into PA school/be a better PA.

post-bacc certificate in CLS
 
OK, my two cents...

Speaking here as someone who is also doing a biology major, and up until recently was thinking of med school (am still iffy on the subject):

I'm a licensed EMT and phlebotomist (still in long process of getting certified in California). Actually getting work and making a living wage with that are iffy. You can add all the certificates you want, but it doesn't always mean you'll get a job. Nonetheless, it's gotten my feet wet, and I want much, much more. I almost decided to go to paramedic school at one point...

Then decided... screw that. I already have a number of the required GEs.

I've decided to become a registered nurse.

In California, this means I can work part time and still make a living wage, which means I can finish school as a bio major. Being a nurse in California is real job security. And as a 33 year old, the job security thing is really starting to be a consideration... I wouldn't take any job at this point that didn't have potential for advancement and real professional growth, and nursing offers that. In other words, I can be a nurse the rest of my life and go for the BSN and later an MSN. If I never become an MD/DO or anything else, I will always be an RN. The fact that I can also write and do research as an NP was what sold me.

I'm doing the prerequisites and applying to a community college program. It is hard to get into because of numbers and the lottery system, but I *will* get my slot if I wait, and in the meantime, I can take more bio prerequisites for my bio degree.

It's not the preferred way to go to med school or some other things, but I still have the option of applying down the road if I want (I often entertain notions of becoming a pathologist). It's not what people like to say or hear over here on SDN, but in reality many nurses indeed do become doctors. I also have the option of NP, PA, or limitless other options. I like that.
 
Again, I'm not a PA, but for some reason have an opinion about this.

Honestly, I can see it both ways. I think there are stong arguments each way. If I were a PA admission and montessori2md were to interview as well as s/he has articulated his/her case here, I would want to grand them admission.

I teach PT students. PTA's who have come back to become PT's are always strong students, but never as strong as the folks with raw intelligence. The manual skills of the PTA's are great, but quickly matched or surpassed by those with the ability to visualize dimensionally and perceptually, and with the ability to develop and use fine and gross motor skills to perform manual therapy. Yes, you have to teach them material and techniques that the PTA's have done for years.....which may be anecdotally difficult to hypothesize for the untrained paidagogos.
Its individual teaching philosophy and personal skills vs. the standard or duty of care and learning goals
It's a persons background knowledge and experiences, personal situations and environment vs. genetics and born with intelligence.

PA programs seem to prefer a sampling of all and if they happen to attract one with experience and who is hopelessly talented...great. It would seem though that andragogy isn't the strength of most healthcare faculty and preceptors.
 
resp. therapist, lpn, rn are all good choices, pay well, and are available at most cc's.
I just got offered a $15K sign-on bonus (up front) and $26 an hour as an RT.
 
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