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IbnSina said:
Here's one for socute, if it doesn't get buried in the rest.
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Pfff! Give me an ass-kickin' chicken anytime!

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Apollyon said:
Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

What goes around, comes around!
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THIS IS SOUTH CAROLINA FOOTBALL
Following the 2003 season South Carolina has an all-time winning percentage under .500 (494-502-44), which ranks 88th all-time in D-1A football...only 29 programs have been worse. A few of the notable football programs who have been better than the Gamecocks include such powerhouses as: Duke, Western Michigan, Toledo, Navy, UAB, Central Florida, Ball St., North Texas, Nevada, East Carolina, Houston, Northern Illinois, Utah St., San Jose St., Vanderbilt, Akron, Baylor, UNLV, Kansas, and Rutgers just to name a few. This is Carolina Gamecock football.

In the 59 seasons Carolina has been affiliated with a conference, they have won that conference once...the ACC in 1969, with a 7-4 record. Since the Associated Press began ranking football teams in 1936, the Cocks have finished in the Top 20 of the rankings only five times in the 67 years. Carolina has never finished in the Top 10 of a major recognized poll...NEVER. The first year of Gamecock football was in 1892, Carolina won its first bowl game 103 years later under BRAD SCOTT. In 109 seasons of football, Carolina has yet to participate in one of the "Big 5" Bowls (Rose, Sugar, Orange, Fiesta, Cotton). Guess what? As Carolina is set to begin its 110th season of collegiate football, they have won 10 or more games in a single season once. In 110 seasons, Carolina has won more games than it lost only 50 times. In 110 seasons, Carolina has won 6 or more games in a season 33 times, and lost 6 or more 35 times. This is Carolina Gamecock football.

South Carolina has had 32 different head coaches in its storied tradition...only five of them stayed longer than 5 seasons, 21 of them have losing records. Add to that the winning tradition the Cocks have enjoyed at home in Williams-Brice Stadium. Carolina is 18-36-1 at home in conference since joining the SEC. Lou Holtz is the devil. It's another Carolina Touchdown!?…not quite. Of the 56 programs, which have played more than 1000 games all-time, only four have scored fewer points than South Carolina in their schools history.

Since joining the SEC in 1992, Carolina has had a winning record in the conference twice. In the eleven seasons as a member of the SEC, Carolina boasts a conference record of 33-62-1…only two teams have been worse: Kentucky has 26 wins, Vanderbilt 11. Although Carolina has yet to finish in the top two of the Eastern division, they have finished last twice. Carolina has yet to win six conference games in a season, something only Kentucky and Vanderbilt have done in the last 11 seasons. And no one should forget the fact that Carolina went two consecutive seasons without winning one conference game, not one. Carolina had an impressive string of 21 consecutive games with a loss snapped in 2000 by beating New Mexico State (then let the rest of the country know what Carolina football was all about by tearing down the goal-posts). Since 1992, only three times has any non-probation member of the conference failed to win two or more games overall in a season…South Carolina has accomplished this feat twice, Kentucky once. Since 1992, only once has a conference member failed to win a game overall in a single season…you guessed it, South Carolina.
South Carolina's all-time record versus other current conference members is even more impressive: 2-9 vs Alabama, 4-8 vs Arkansas, 1-4-1 vs Auburn, 3-18-3 vs Florida, 13-41-2 vs Georgia, 8-6-1 vs Kentucky, 2-14-1 vs LSU, 5-7 vs Ole Miss, 5-6 vs Mississippi St., 2-18-2 vs Tennessee, and 11-2 vs Vanderbilt. That's correct, Carolina leads the all-time series against 2 SEC teams...Kentucky and Vanderbilt. This is Carolina Gamecock football.

But, the comparison of only 12 seasons in one conference does no justice to the tradition of South Carolina football. So lets compare the Cocks record versus D-1A schools they have played 20 or more times: 36-61-4 vs Clemson, 17-24-3 vs Duke, 3-18-3 vs Florida, 13-41-2 vs Georgia, 9-12 vs Georgia Tech,11-17 vs Maryland, 16-34-4 vs North Carolina, 25-26-4 vs North Carolina State, 2-18-2 vs Tennessee, 21-12-1 vs Virginia, and 34-20-2 vs Wake Forest. William Brice is a crap hole. That's correct, Carolina leads the all-time series against 2 of these 11 teams...Virginia and Wake Forest. This is Carolina Gamecock football.

Gamecock fans justify their horrible football record thru the strength of the SEC conference. But let's look at the Gamecock's record against the other big 4 conferences. South Carolina is 172-221-18 vs the ACC, 6-8 vs the Big 12, 22-26-5 vs the Big East, and 3-5 vs the Big Ten. This is Carolina Gamecock Football.

But all this tradition and past records are meaningless. What is more important is the recent history. Only losers live in the past. We are in the best years of Carolina Gamecock football, and the future has never been brighter...or has it? Carolina is coming off another losing season, the 9th in the last 13 seasons. Overall record since "the legend" Lou Holtz became Head Coach: 27-32 (0.458) . Since 1995: 43-59-1. Since Joining the SEC: 60-75-1. Since 1990 South Carolina is 69-86-3. Carolina has finished in the Top 15 once in the past 15 seasons, and been to three bowl games in that span. This is Carolina Gamecock football.

2003 would be the year that Holtz previous recruiting seasons would begin to pay dividends. The team no longer had any ‘cancers' and was again united. Team unity, young stars, and maturity at QB would get South Carolina back to a New Years Day Bowl game. Your most hated rival would be down and a Carolina victory at home on the seasons last game would likely lead to the departure of the rival coaching staff. The best High School Running Back to ever step on a field made a pledge in February to attend South Carolina, and bring glory to Columbia. That Running Back ended the season by leading the team with 58 yards per game rushing in his first season in Columbia…3 Freshmen Running Backs in the conference were better. Your QB who had matured, and finally had a grasp of the offense? He finished with the lowest completion percentage in the conference, as well as the fewest yards. Again, it was a sub .500 record overall, 2-6 in the conference, another 0-for against the Big 3 from the East. And the season finale that would send your in-state rival back to the drawing board and end the coaching career of Tommy Bowden instead ended in a 46-point home loss.

Seventeen of Twenty-two starters returned for 2004, and with it came high expectations. Returning was your entire offensive backfield. You brought in a new defensive coordinator who was going to implement a new scheme that would be a better fit for your young defensive talent. On offense, Lou took over play calling duties and was supposed take Carolina to the top by grinding it out on the ground. And when your Senior QB would be presented with the situation when he must throw, Coach Holtz said he was going to "shock the conference". The season began with a blowout win over Vanderbilt, and a 16-point lead midway through the second quarter over highly touted Georgia. But, then the reality of what the true description of South Carolina football is occurred, South Carolina wouldn't score again until the South Florida game. When the season ended, this group of Gamecocks etched their name next to failures of the past. Once again South Carolina failed to reach the postseason. Once again, they ended conference play without a winning record. For the third season in a row they went 0-4 against the big three from the East and in state rival Clemson. The lopsided defeats in the 2004 contests against these four teams brought the total point differential margin to 191 points that Carolina has been outscored by in those four "rivalry" games over the last three seasons. South Carolina has allowed 23 or more points in nine of those games, and scored 23 or more only once. The Quarterback who was going to "shock the conference" didn't make it to the third game of the season. Gamecock players gave Coach Holtz an early retirement gift during the final contest of the season in a 22-point loss to Clemson by delaying the game nearly ten minutes midway through the fourth quarter. The reason for the delay was frustrated South Carolina players started an ugly on-field altercation. The actions led to a postseason ban by the University. A team that had positioned itself to accomplish what only 11 teams before them had accomplished, instead took their place in Gamecock history as the 100th team that failed to reach postseason. Coach Holtz called the scene, his "biggest disappointment." For many it was just another chapter of "This is South Carolina football."

On November 23, 2004, South Carolina named Steve Spurrier as the schools Head Football Coach. Spurrier brings to South Carolina a .777 college winning percentage. His resume includes six SEC titles, one ACC title, and one national championship. Coach Spurrier holds the mark with the all-time highest winning percentage in SEC play. Spurrier will also bring to Columbia the highest expectations in the schools history. Spurrier finished in the Final AP Top 15 twelve consecutive seasons at Florida, so that is what we should expect at South Carolina. Spurrier had a career record of 11-1 against Georgia while at the Gator helm, so that is what we should expect at South Carolina. Gamecock players have greeted Coach Spurrier's arrival in emblematic Carolina fashion with an abundance of team rules violations and felony arrests. In January, six players were charged after a total of $18,000 worth of computer and video equipment and framed photographs were taken from South Carolina's stadium in late November. The incident resulted in Offensive Lineman Woody Telfort being charged with a felony count of grand larceny, and numerous other charges against players. On March 1st leading rusher Demetris Summers was dismissed from the team. A day later, Tackle Kevin Mainord was arrested for stealing televisions from dorm rooms. Defensive End Moe Thompson was also arrested on similar charges six days later. On April 16th, two more Gamecock players, Josh Johnson and Ty Erving, were arrested and charged with simple marijuana possession. Less than two weeks later, WR David Smith pled guilty to third degree burglary. In late May, Linebacker Dustin Lindsey was charged with DUI. On June 23rd, Cory Boyd was dismissed from the team. In all, twelve players have been arrested in the 2005 calendar year. It's been a typical Gamecock offseason. But, all will be suppressed in less than two months, when 111 years of South Carolina's losing tradition will be changed. The man who will single handedly change the program has arrived in Columbia…sounds similar to what we were told before Holtz' arrival. When Spurrier accepted the job to lead the Gamecocks, he commented, "they really haven't ever done much here." No kidding Steve, welcome to South Carolina football.
 
Wow...I don't know why you have it in for USC, but, oh well.

One of the best things that could have happened is Lou Holtz getting canned. He has a history of doing anything for football, legal or not, and leaving the refuse of failed student-athletes in his wake. Lou screwed so many young men out of their futures, it's not funny (as if it would be, anyways). Dean Smith and Mike Kryzszewski are definitely on one side of the aisle, and Lou Holtz is on the other.
 
There were a signifigant number of football players that realized that they weren't going pro, so that it was more prudent to use the scholarship to actually LEARN something (as we were like at VMI - the smallest division I school in the country (and football was I-AA)) - but Lou screwed a lot of that up.
 
I don't believe there should be athletics in colleges or high schools.
 
There certainly should not be full ride scholarships attached to being an athlete at the very least.
 
No and No.
I am applying to Columbia though, but I'm afraid my car will be vandalized. I heard that someone high the program is a Clemson grad though.
 
Yeah, and the state doesn't have enough people to warrant another school.
Most people I know from Clemson went to MUSC, just because of the Columbia thing. A few end up there though.
 
MirrorTodd said:
Million dollar question: Could schools survive financially without inter-collegiate sports?
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I think so. We have funding out the ears at my university, but Canadian universities don't have the same degree of involvement in intercollegiate sports (nothing to the level of NCAA, for example). Much of our funding comes from the government, and even more from various organizations which provide research grants.
 
But, you know what? The new EM program at MUSC was first offered to University Hospital in Greeville, who turned it down (as the docs wanted to be clinicians). Even so, they're looking into getting some of the USC EM residents up here just for a few rotations.
 
What got me was that the Columbia program used to be in Charleston, but moved to Columbia after a few years.

While I like Greenvegas and all, residency there? I shudder.
 
DropkickMurphy said:
There certainly should not be full ride scholarships attached to being an athlete at the very least.
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Again, I disagree. Being an athlete in college pretty much rules out getting a job. Although, I would say that there could be more stingent academic and behavioral requirements to maintain your athletic funding.
 
hyperbaric said:
Disagree. Athletics paid my way. Would have been a struggle otherwise.
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Athletics have their place, and I'm a sports guy. But read the story in SI a few weeks back about OSU's new gajillion-dollar football stadium when the rest of the school's having serious financial problems... that's wacky.

Methinks ixnay with the "scholarships" and just pay 'em, they're making the same $ for the schools as pros do for their owners (at least in D-I). Throw in some revenue sharing to ensure that the smaller schools don't get too hosed and we're set. :evilgrin:

of course, that would seriously penalize peeps who actually are student athletes, so maybe not so much a good idea...

-t
 
Daiphon said:
Athletics have their place, and I'm a sports guy. But read the story in SI a few weeks back about OSU's new gajillion-dollar football stadium when the rest of the school's having serious financial problems... that's wacky.

Methinks ixnay with the "scholarships" and just pay 'em, they're making the same $ for the schools as pros do for their owners (at least in D-I). Throw in some revenue sharing to ensure that the smaller schools don't get too hosed and we're set. :evilgrin:

of course, that would seriously penalize peeps who actually are student athletes, so maybe not so much a good idea...

-t
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The gajillion-dollar stadiums are ridiculous, but I don't think all the sports should be punished. Pool aside, all of the swimming-specific training equipment I needed in college was prob less $500 for all 4 years. Maybe another $100 for swimming-related injury (otitis media).
 
I wont engage DKM because i have had that discussion with him already.. we agreed to disagree.
 
Frankly, my take on those who rail against college athletes is that it's simply based on the fact that they were not athletically talented enough to be one of them.

If basketball or football brings in money, they should get to spend some of it. This allows people who never would have been able to attend college to do so, and yes, there is abuse within the system but that can easily be resolved with better oversight.
 
socuteMD said:
Frankly, my take on those who rail against college athletes is that it's simply based on the fact that they were not athletically talented enough to be one of them.

If basketball or football brings in money, they should get to spend some of it. This allows people who never would have been able to attend college to do so, and yes, there is abuse within the system but that can easily be resolved with better oversight.
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agreed👍

the truth though (lets be honest) is that many of the people who play at the top notch programs in football and basketball shouldnt have graduated from HS..
 
Coming from someone who had MULTIPLE scholie offers and someone who played with 4 current NFLers including 3 who have made the pro bowl.
 
😀 good for us...

BTW a good lesson for people in medicine who are 100% altruistic...

Money talks... We try to avoid this fact in medicine and sometimes this is good but when you look to the rest of society this is a key mantra.
 
9500 posts are coming.. im impressed! im about to hit 5100K... nutso..
 
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