Patients Grieving for Charlie Kirk: Implications for Pain

[FuturePediatricNeurosurge]

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I said “in part”. I’m sure the 11 ng/ml of fentanyl, amphetamines, cannabinoids, and other drugs in his system didn’t help his p02.

Fair point -- I'm sure the fentanyl made it a lot harder to breathe, but if the cops hadn't kneeled on his neck and chest wall for 9 and a half minutes and let him breathe upright in handcuffs maybe he would still be alive.

Also worth noting that the cops and paramedics both had narcan on them, but didn't administer it. If they thought he was unconscious because of drugs, why would they not give him narcan? I think they knew the kneeling is what killed him.

 

[Ducttape]

you are making a distraction to try to pin his death on himself. the drugs are inconsequential to the cause of death.



without neck and chest compression, he is still alive today.

 

[cowboydoc]

you are making a distraction to try to pin his death on himself. the drugs are inconsequential to the cause of death.



without neck and chest compression, he is still alive today.

Your ability to see everyone as a victim never ceases to amaze. At least you are consistent. As adjudicated, this was a terrible story, poor policing, criminal negligence by those who took an oath to uphold the law. I have to respectfully disagree with your assertion his choices would be consistent him still being alive today. There are plenty of cases of people being guilty of nothing more than driving (or walking/running) while black, who are victims or atrocities, but you are stretching on this one.



"My lifestyle determines death style."-Metallica

 

[hyperalgesia]

you are making a distraction to try to pin his death on himself. the drugs are inconsequential to the cause of death.



without neck and chest compression, he is still alive today.

He had a history of criminal violence against women and major, active substance abuse, in addition to other profound medical problems.

I'm summary, he's the perfect liberal poster child.

To say he would be alive today is ridiculous.

 

[clubdeac]

Doesn’t change the meaning of the quote.

It completely does. Quit being you for just a little bit and have a little decency

 

[Ducttape]

Your ability to see everyone as a victim never ceases to amaze. At least you are consistent. As adjudicated, this was a terrible story, poor policing, criminal negligence by those who took an oath to uphold the law. I have to respectfully disagree with your assertion his choices would be consistent him still being alive today. There are plenty of cases of people being guilty of nothing more than driving (or walking/running) while black, who are victims or atrocities, but you are stretching on this one.



"My lifestyle determines death style."-Metallica

we can disagree...

even with his poor lifestyle choices, he was alive at age 46, until he met up with Officer Chauvin. that interaction directly ended his life.

however, my assumption that he would be alive today is based on statistics, not him or his lifestyle choices

the odds are that he would still be alive even today because the average life expectancy of an adult male in the US is 75 years of age.

i found an annuity calculator and entered the most negative inputs, and this calculator stated he should have expected to live to 62. (using black male, poor health, 220 pounds at 6'2, poor education, heavy drinker, smoker).

 

[lobelsteve]

we can disagree...

even with his poor lifestyle choices, he was alive at age 46, until he met up with Officer Chauvin. that interaction directly ended his life.

however, my assumption that he would be alive today is based on statistics, not him or his lifestyle choices

the odds are that he would still be alive even today because the average life expectancy of an adult male in the US is 75 years of age.

i found an annuity calculator and entered the most negative inputs, and this calculator stated he should have expected to live to 62. (using black male, poor health, 220 pounds at 6'2, poor education, heavy drinker, smoker).

62 is closer to reality.

 

[cowboydoc]

we can disagree...

even with his poor lifestyle choices, he was alive at age 46, until he met up with Officer Chauvin. that interaction directly ended his life.

however, my assumption that he would be alive today is based on statistics, not him or his lifestyle choices

the odds are that he would still be alive even today because the average life expectancy of an adult male in the US is 75 years of age.

i found an annuity calculator and entered the most negative inputs, and this calculator stated he should have expected to live to 62. (using black male, poor health, 220 pounds at 6'2, poor education, heavy drinker, smoker).

Except you missed the important one, the fentanyl. The reduced life expectancy was up to 38 years for opioid users in some studies...

Fatal opioid overdoses lower U.S. life expectancy by nearly a year.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scien...0309249#:~:text=Results,men and 42% for women.

 

[Ducttape]

so he was 46 when he died. he outlived the average death from fentanyl OD by 8 years.

you are making a complete conjecture that he would have died of an OD by now.

per your study, he more than likely should have been dead already. but he wasnt.

no one could have predicted whether he would be dead of a fentanyl OD by now, but we all accurately state that he never had the chance to do so.

 

[cowboydoc]

so he was 46 when he died. he outlived the average death from fentanyl OD by 8 years.

you are making a complete conjecture that he would have died of an OD by now.

per your study, he more than likely should have been dead already. but he wasnt.

no one could have predicted whether he would be dead of a fentanyl OD by now, but we all accurately state that he never had the chance to do so.

Sigh. My original point was simply that you were making a complete conjecture that he would still be alive. To your point, he’d already out kicked the coverage by 8 years. Drug addicts don’t keep up the habit and glide to retirement. They kick the habit or die young.

 

[Ducttape]

You are making suppositions in one direction, I am making it in the other as a distinct possibility.

There is no way to prove either of us are right (yes basing his life expectancy on actuarial tables is not proof i admit).

But the burden of proof that he would be dead of other causes technically should be on you, not me...

 

[Agast]

Sometimes drug addicts go on to become the head of Health and Human Services…now we’ll never know 😢

 

[lobelsteve]

This thread has run its course.