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Is it just me or is it annoying that all these people are complaining about things we've warned everyone about? Now they're asking for advice.

We've talked about the saturated market for pharmacists, we've talked about schools lowering their standards and admitting just anybody, we've talked about not going into pharmacy if people have shady backgrounds, you name it!

Lo and behold, people don't listen and then come back complaining that they can't find a job, or their shady background is keeping them from practicing as a pharmacist, or they're failing their classes or can't pass the NAPLEX (because they didn't have what it takes to begin with, and were just admitted because schools have lowered their standards).

I'm not talking about the people who started pharmacy school before all this saturation and bad pharmacy schools opening up everywhere. I'm talking about the people who thought they knew better than everyone and didn't listen. Now they're struggling and asking for advice. Why didn't they just listen before they got themselves in this mess?
 
Since this website is an advice forum, many of the people posting questions on here are going through a challenging period in their career. I've actually been pretty successful since graduation; however, if you read through my past questions, I look like a bit of a sad sack. People aren't very likely to come back and post a new thread about their successes after things turn around.
 

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Abby Atwood said:
Since this website is an advice forum, many of the people posting questions on here are going through a challenging period in their career. I've actually been pretty successful since graduation; however, if you read through my past questions, I look like a bit of a sad sack. People aren't very likely to come back and post a new thread about their successes after things turn around.
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Did you read what I wrote? It doesn't seem like you did. I get that this is an advice forum, but when people don't follow the advice given, then come back and expect us to help them, it's annoying.
 
PharmD500 said:
Did you read what I wrote? It doesn't seem like you did. I get that this is an advice forum, but when people don't follow the advice given, then come back and expect us to help them, it's annoying.
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Sorry, no offense meant. I guess I misunderstood the post as being directed at all individuals asking for advice about those topics vs maybe one or two that had previously asked for advice. I haven't been on here that long, so I might be missing some SND culture and history.
 
steveysmith54 said:
I don't go to the prepharmacy forum much, but what I found most fascinating are the I don't want to be a pharmacist, meaning dispense or work in a hospital, but I still want to go to pharmacy school what do you think thread lol...
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That's high school students for you.

Over the years, I've been involved in a scholarship competition, reading and scoring essays, and it's REEEEEEALLLY obvious when someone's been out of high school for more than a year or two. They just have life experience that high school students do not, regardless of how intelligent they are.
 
PharmD500 said:
Is it just me or is it annoying that all these people are complaining about things we've warned everyone about? Now they're asking for advice.

We've talked about the saturated market for pharmacists, we've talked about schools lowering their standards and admitting just anybody, we've talked about not going into pharmacy if people have shady backgrounds, you name it!

Lo and behold, people don't listen and then come back complaining that they can't find a job, or their shady background is keeping them from practicing as a pharmacist, or they're failing their classes or can't pass the NAPLEX (because they didn't have what it takes to begin with, and were just admitted because schools have lowered their standards).

I'm not talking about the people who started pharmacy school before all this saturation and bad pharmacy schools opening up everywhere. I'm talking about the people who thought they knew better than everyone and didn't listen. Now they're struggling and asking for advice. Why didn't they just listen before they got themselves in this mess?
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BUT PHARMACY IS MY DREAM
 
I don't know, I seem to recall that your original circumstance (I work for a politically toxic institution looking to burn you) was already discussed in general on the forum multiple times. It's always going to be around the same questions, and it doesn't hurt to think about them again. If you find the questions irritating, just ignore them and their writers. However, just because they are the same underlying questions doesn't mean that they don't deserve to be answered. There's several of us who basically post "Read this thread" in response to some of them if they are that unoriginal. What matters is that they do get answered and sometimes that answer is personalized to them in contemporary circumstances.

And sometimes those answers (and the people) change. Dgroulx no longer is active on this forum, but she'd have something to say about the IT phenomenon. Everyone in ambulatory is always going to complain about the Big 3 (Walgreens, CVS, and Wal-Mart) whether it is working under pressure internally or being driven out of business by them, and they come and go as they either learn to work with them or find something else to do. Everyone who is in hospital eventually starts complaining about the politics or the budget. And everyone complains about the level of stupid (from patients to physicians and everyone in between) and the political correctness takeover and bottom-line consciousness of the healthcare system the longer you work in the business. What's comforting is that some of us have been there and seen that. The only thing I wish I could do better is laugh it off (or at the poster) as well as Chalupa does.
 
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steveysmith54 said:
I don't go to the prepharmacy forum much, but what I found most fascinating are the I don't want to be a pharmacist, meaning dispense or work in a hospital, but I still want to go to pharmacy school what do you think thread lol...
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Even more frightening is imagining the insane answer to that question that a pharmacy school professor might give.
 
lord999 said:
I don't know, I seem to recall that your original circumstance (I work for a politically toxic institution looking to burn you) was already discussed in general on the forum multiple times. It's always going to be around the same questions, and it doesn't hurt to think about them again. If you find the questions irritating, just ignore them and their writers. However, just because they are the same underlying questions doesn't mean that they don't deserve to be answered. There's several of us who basically post "Read this thread" in response to some of them if they are that unoriginal. What matters is that they do get answered and sometimes that answer is personalized to them in contemporary circumstances.

And sometimes those answers (and the people) change. Dgroulx no longer is active on this forum, but she'd have something to say about the IT phenomenon. Everyone in ambulatory is always going to complain about the Big 3 (Walgreens, CVS, and Wal-Mart) whether it is working under pressure internally or being driven out of business by them, and they come and go as they either learn to work with them or find something else to do. Everyone who is in hospital eventually starts complaining about the politics or the budget. And everyone complains about the level of stupid (from patients to physicians and everyone in between) and the political correctness takeover and bottom-line consciousness of the healthcare system the longer you work in the business. What's comforting is that some of us have been there and seen that. The only thing I wish I could do better is laugh it off (or at the poster) as well as Chalupa does.
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Yeah I don't mind those types of questions. I don't know why people keep misunderstanding my original post. Oh well.

It's the not listening and/or not having common sense that annoys me.

I'm thinking more on the lines of PAtoPharm or others who didn't listen to initial advice not to go to pharmacy school, and came back wanting more advice on what to do. Others who got busted for selling illegal drugs, and think they won't have a problem going to pharmacy school, getting licensed, and finding a job in this market. Others who got multiple Ds and Fs in prepharm, are in pharmacy school, fail out and want to sue the school, or they get through school and can't pass the NAPLEX.

@lord999 Btw, if you told me not to work for a certain VA because it has a toxic environment, you better believe I would listen. If I didn't listen and got myself in a bad situation, wouldn't it be ridiculous for me to come back and ask for advice when I didn't listen to the advice initially given?

You guys remember the guy who was taking his errors from the box so his boss wouldn't see them, and he got caught? @owlegrad cracked me up because he was like, I distinctly remember people telling you not to do that and lo and behold, you got caught taking your errors. LMAO. I honestly laughed so hard at that one.
 
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Sb247 said it best in another forum:

"Half the sdn advice threads:

OP: I want to do a dumb thing
Everyone: that sounds like a dumb thing, here are some less dumb things to do
OP: you all are dumb for not understanding the brilliance of my dumb thing
Everyone: we're trying to help you avoid the consequences of.....
OP: *does dumb thing"

Hahahahahaaaaaaa. He's so funny, and spot on.
 
Abby Atwood said:
Since this website is an advice forum, many of the people posting questions on here are going through a challenging period in their career. I've actually been pretty successful since graduation; however, if you read through my past questions, I look like a bit of a sad sack. People aren't very likely to come back and post a new thread about their successes after things turn around.
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Yeah huh. There's a good handful of people that I remember that were very active on here and disappeared, wonder how they turned out. Person that comes to mind is this random person from Hawaii that was really into cars that went to STLCOP that, by my estimate, should be a pharmacist now (was very active as a pre-pharm/P-1).

Not that this is a current thread, but in general, I always see lots of "help, retail isn't what i thought it would be, how do i leave" posts...part of me is like, well you rotated through there and (i hope) you interned there, how is this a surprise?
 
confettiflyer said:
Not that this is a current thread, but in general, I always see lots of "help, retail isn't what i thought it would be, how do i leave" posts...part of me is like, well you rotated through there and (i hope) you interned there, how is this a surprise?
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The problem is that most of them have never stepped foot there until rotations.
 
WVUPharm2007 said:
So are we at the point where full time retail in a major metro area is a unicorn job? So I have a unicorn job?
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It is a unicorn job if you consider it a unicorn job. We won't disagree with you.

With the way the job market is headed, my guess is many more would kill for your job if they're unemployed or floating part time or per diem.
 
WVUPharm2007 said:
So are we at the point where full time retail in a major metro area is a unicorn job? So I have a unicorn job?
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stoichiometrist said:
It is a unicorn job if you consider it a unicorn job. We won't disagree with you.

With the way the job market is headed, my guess is many more would kill for your job if they're unemployed or floating part time or per diem.
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Amicable Angora said:
Just because you get a job that isn't straight out abusing you and forcing you to stand for 10 hours in a row doesn't mean it's a unicorn job.
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The Social Construction of Pharmacist Unicorn Jobs sounds like a great new topic thread and/or potential pharmacy school course.
 
The fact that we are four months post graduation and have two or three new threads asking for job hunting advice on our first page is a little frightening. I hope I don't have to find a new job anytime soon, things look brutal out there.
 
Amicable Angora said:
Just because you get a job that isn't straight out abusing you and forcing you to stand for 10 hours in a row doesn't mean it's a unicorn job.
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A unicorn job is a rare job.....so if the shoe fits...
 
What they say:

Digsbe said:
I JUST WANT TO HELP PEOPLE!
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What they really mean:

Digsbe said:
I just want to help people as long as I don't have to deal with any of them directly. I'll also don't mind helping people if I work 9-5 Monday through Friday, sit in a chair, live in the city of my choice, and get paid $80 an hour.
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SDN addicts. Having to recycle old discussion points to generate new talking buzz. Perhaps time for an "SDN Treatment Program (STP)?" Of course, night shift-ers are exempt.😀
 
Amicable Angora said:
Just because you get a job that isn't straight out abusing you and forcing you to stand for 10 hours in a row doesn't mean it's a unicorn job.
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I'm sorry...night shift in a 3000 store in a very nice suburb of Philamadelphia is very unicornish. At least like albino lobsterish.
 
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