PharmD with/without BSPS

[cynderella]

What are the advantages (if any) of obtaining a PharmD degree with a BSPS versus strictly a PharmD degree? Considering several schools that offer the PharmD degree in 6 years (0-6 program Ohio Northern & University of Toledo's College of Pharmacy) versus Ohio State's program which is 7/8 years but has the BSPS with PharmD degree. Each school maintains their program is best! What would the advantages be of a PharmD with BSPS, taking into consideration the additional tuition expenses to obtain? Thanks.

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[awval999]

What are the advantages (if any) of obtaining a PharmD degree with a BSPS versus strictly a PharmD degree? Considering several schools that offer the PharmD degree in 6 years (0-6 program Ohio Northern & University of Toledo's College of Pharmacy) versus Ohio State's program which is 7/8 years but has the BSPS with PharmD degree. Each school maintains their program is best! What would the advantages be of a PharmD with BSPS, taking into consideration the additional tuition expenses to obtain? Thanks.

I am a second year at the University of Toledo's College of Pharmacy so I can answer your questions about the college if you have any.

First, at UT you DO recieve a BSPS after 4-years and a minor in Chemistry as well. Then you go through two more calander years (3 academic years, we go two summers) to receive the Pharm.D. www.utpharmacy.org

Second, at UT you apply for admission after your 3rd semester. It is indeed the most difficult to get into in the state of Ohio. Last year it was a 3.78 Science and a 3.78 accum GPA to get in.

At ONU if you are accepted from high school you do not have to apply for the professional division, keep that in mind. However the cost of ONU greatly exceedes both OSU and UT.

If you have any more questions feel free to ask.

 

[cynderella]

Thanks for clearing up the BSPS at UT. The PharmD candidate is my daughter and has applied and received contingency placement in the UT PharmD program based on class ranking, and ACT & SAT scores.

Starting Fall of 2006, UT graduation would be spring of 2012 with BSPS & PharmD degrees, assuming that 2 summers are continuing education. ONU does take some of the pressure off by the 0-6 placement. However, with UT & OSU (first time Fall 2006) contingency or early placement in the PharmD program, it becomes irrelevant in comparing programs. All except for the length of time to complete the same degree - same state boards, etc.

And in reality, ONU has offered more scholarship incentives than UT (to date). Private colleges do have large scholarship funds. State funded schools are less expensive, but so far, have had less to give regarding academic scholarships. But we are just now starting the financial investigative process!!

Do you have any information regarding the hospital locations for the clinical rotations? OSU being in Columbus, and utilizing its University Hospital, does offer all the clinicals within the campus/city area. ONU clinicals are all off campus away from Ada & frankly I don't know if that's a disadvantage or not.

Thanks for filling in some of the blanks. It is always helpful to hear from an actual student than an enthusiastic college recruiter!!

 

[ButlerPharm.D.]

I'm guessing by BCPS you are referring to a Board Certified Pharmacotherapy Specialist. Any Pharm.D. Graduate that does a Residency is able to sit for this exam. Furthermore, if you have graduated and you have a Pharm.D. but did not do a residency you are still able to sit for this exam as long as you have worked 2 year I believe.

 

[awval999]

Thanks for clearing up the BSPS at UT. The PharmD candidate is my daughter and has applied and received contingency placement in the UT PharmD program based on class ranking, and ACT & SAT scores.

Starting Fall of 2006, UT graduation would be spring of 2012 with BSPS & PharmD degrees, assuming that 2 summers are continuing education. ONU does take some of the pressure off by the 0-6 placement. However, with UT & OSU (first time Fall 2006) contingency or early placement in the PharmD program, it becomes irrelevant in comparing programs. All except for the length of time to complete the same degree - same state boards, etc.

And in reality, ONU has offered more scholarship incentives than UT (to date). Private colleges do have large scholarship funds. State funded schools are less expensive, but so far, have had less to give regarding academic scholarships. But we are just now starting the financial investigative process!!

Do you have any information regarding the hospital locations for the clinical rotations? OSU being in Columbus, and utilizing its University Hospital, does offer all the clinicals within the campus/city area. ONU clinicals are all off campus away from Ada & frankly I don't know if that's a disadvantage or not.

Thanks for filling in some of the blanks. It is always helpful to hear from an actual student than an enthusiastic college recruiter!!

To clear up any confusion: BSPS = Bachelor's of Science in Pharmaceutical Sciences

Contigent Admission is very rare at UT now, I believe they offer around 20 of those spots. I think one needs a 3.9+ and a 32 ACT. Congratulations for your daughter.

If your daughter applies to UT by December 1st I can almost guarrentee that she will recieve the same full-tuition scholarship that I recieved. http://www.financialaid.utoledo.edu/pages/results_dynamic.asp?category=DHS

Look for the Tower Excellence Scholarship. In no way do I believe that ONU will be cheaper than UT. I have a friend that almost went to ONU and then backed out and came here with NO scholarships (applied too late) because it still was cheaper. ONU is a good school, I"ve never toured there but from what I've heard they are expensive. Your daughter would probably only have to pay for room/board at UT.

If you haven't been to UT yet you should definetly tour, I'm sure they will take you to our two new residence halls (Ottawa and Crossings) and Wolfe Hall (the newer pharmacy buliding).

For 6th year rotations there are many hospitals in the Toledo area that UT is affiliated with, but they also allow clerkships in different states if the student so chooses.

Feel free to ask anymore questions.

 

[sohoo]

My child has got acceptence of Rutgers and Toledo University for 0-6 PharmD program. The total fee of Rutgers is about $38K minus $10k scholarship for non resident of NJ. The total fee of UT is about $23K minus 6K in OH resident.
Rutgers has provided Early assurance.

It is difficult to choose one from these 2 universities. The main factors which should be considered are:
1. Total fee (tuition, dorm/apartment)
2. job opportunity
3. Rate of weeding out during the study.
....


Any suggestions? Thanks!!

 

[PharmerJax]

Be wary of both ask about subject to change in their program and costs, people getting burned at Toledo. 6 year program? More like 7, when you add in Summer Sessions, if you compare. Just like some accelerated programs,5 and half year programs , they include summer terms like 12-15 credit hours. UT Total Cost of Attendance for COfPharm. for 2011-2012 is about 36K instate and 45K, room & board for outsate not including any summer terms ( usually add about 7K/12K) just Tuition. PS, If you don't do last so many hours there as an undergrad , your chances just got slimmer. Probably , I'm guessing about 20% of the students have 3 years in (re-applies) and some have BS and or Masters. The rest are 3.75 more like 3.9 GPA 2 -year UT pre-pharms with good EC's. Ave GPA is usually about 3.8-3.85 in both Overall and Science GPA. Still a decent sound program. But it's all about money and the rest of the COP's are no different.

 

[sohoo]

Be wary of both ask about subject to change in their program and costs, people getting burned at Toledo. 6 year program? More like 7, when you add in Summer Sessions, if you compare. Just like some accelerated programs,5 and half year programs , they include summer terms like 12-15 credit hours. UT Total Cost of Attendance for COfPharm. for 2011-2012 is about 36K instate and 45K, room & board for outsate not including any summer terms ( usually add about 7K/12K) just Tuition. PS, If you don't do last so many hours there as an undergrad , your chances just got slimmer. Probably , I'm guessing about 20% of the students have 3 years in (re-applies) and some have BS and or Masters. The rest are 3.75 more like 3.9 GPA 2 -year UT pre-pharms with good EC's. Ave GPA is usually about 3.8-3.85 in both Overall and Science GPA. Still a decent sound program. But it's all about money and the rest of the COP's are no different.

The total cost shown online for in-state student is about 22K/year. How can UT add another 14K for summer courses and other fees?

 

[bacillus1]

The total cost shown online for in-state student is about 22K/year. How can UT add another 14K for summer courses and other fees?

I don't go to UT, but my school does this in our rotation year. It's quite simple for them to pull it off. The tuition they advertise is for a certain amount of credits. Any credits past that is extra, and they can make per-credit cost very high (over $1000/credit).

 

[sohoo]

I don't go to UT, but my school does this in our rotation year. It's quite simple for them to pull it off. The tuition they advertise is for a certain amount of credits. Any credits past that is extra, and they can make per-credit cost very high (over $1000/credit).

How about Rutgers U 0-6 PharmD program?
Do they usually charge extra credit as well besides out state tuition?

 

[Czufam]

Paying for a couple summer terms is something to think about, I overlooked that part. BUT don't all of the programs out there require this??
Cannot imagine what the final 2 years would cost at Ohio Northern with the first year tuition running about $48,000.
University of Toledo is already on semesters and University of Cininnati is still on quarters which worried me about getting caught in the switch and running up extra bills.

 

[sohoo]

I don't go to UT, but my school does this in our rotation year. It's quite simple for them to pull it off. The tuition they advertise is for a certain amount of credits. Any credits past that is extra, and they can make per-credit cost very high (over $1000/credit).

The university told me:
"2009 tuition costs for the entire six year PharmD program was $107,000. This included health insurance, however if you plan to cover your student on private health insurance you can remove approximately $9300 from that total. This does not include room and board as we have a one year housing requirement and a variety of housing and meal plan options."