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I think you are wrong. Granted, it is just one guy's opinion, but when you look at their educational requirements, I don't see statistics in the curriculum. Or any classes encouraging science-based practice. Hell, in Illinois, they don't even need to have a license.

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In my experience the vast majority of trainers do not consume any information, except maybe Men's Health and bodybuilding.com. Most trainers are not trained to produce, consume, interpret, or apply critical research. There are a few good ones (Santana, Boyle, Staley) but they are the exception.

What separates PTs from personal trainers is the ability to understand, diagnose, and treat various pathologies. If you have LBP, a HNP, CTS, adhesive capsulitis, etc. who are you going to see? A trainer? PTs are movement specialists while trainers are focused primarily on strength and conditioning.

This has been my experience as well.

And, there's nothing wrong with being focused on strength and conditioning. But, that certainly isn't Physical Therapy. And, if any PTs think it is, you're doing a disservice to the profession.
 
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Important distinction between "good" personal trainer and the "average" personal trainer. The good one will stay on top of the latest research as well as be able to practice critical appraisal. The average one wont. Average personal trainers bring us PTs more clients because they hurt their clients doing something dumb...good personal trainers I believe should be viewed as colleagues and someone we should not be afraid to refer our patients to who want to continue to improve their health and fitness.


How many good ones do you know? And by good one here, I'm talking about someone that you think has a firm grasp on foundational science and can also critically appraise relevant literature regarding patients who are in pain? I've been around a lot of trainers, and I think I can count about three that I thought could talk the foundational science of exercise physiology and less than that that were/are familiar with literature that refers to patients who would seek the care of a physical therapist, i.e. those patients who are in pain.
 
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JessPT, I am just curious..at your place of work what can you offer to the patient / client who simply wants to improve their health and fitness? Do you have a fitness center / gym in your place of work which can be freely accessed by people who are not actively receiving care?


PTMattI,

I work at an employer-sponsored health center which has a physician, nurse practitioner, a wellness nurse/health coach and lab service in the medical center, myself in the PT clinic, and has a fitness center which offers employees a general membership (essentially a typical gym membership) as well as an upper tier CPro membership. Any employee, their spouse/life partner, or their dependents can access all of the services provided at the health center. It also has a full time nutritionist and dietitian on staff.

Additionally, it offers a healthy cafe which serves Starbucks coffee and keeps my caffeine withdrawal headache at bay several times a day.
 
Well, this escalated quickly.
Azi,

I don't think it has escalated.

Good personal trainers are good at providing a strength and conditioning regimen for clients and for promoting fitness. One could also argue that they have a role in performance training, although I think I'd rather have a good Athletic Trainer in that role. But, none of those things are Physical Therapy. None addresses the patient who typically comes to PT - the patient in pain.
 
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How many good ones do you know? And by good one here, I'm talking about someone that you think has a firm grasp on foundational science and can also critically appraise relevant literature regarding patients who are in pain? I've been around a lot of trainers, and I think I can count about three that I thought could talk the foundational science of exercise physiology and less than that that were/are familiar with literature that refers to patients who would seek the care of a physical therapist, i.e. those patients who are in pain.
In the DC area id say I personally know of about ten who I would eventually be comfortable in referring former patients / clients who ended their episode of care. I completely agree with you that when it comes to treating people who are in PAIN the personal trainer who can do that is extremely rare and that is the domain of the PT. Personally, I see personal trainers higher up on the continuum of care in a health / fitness promotion / strength and conditioning role. Also a good trainer can also reduce the rate of injury by teaching good form, telling people not to run 50 miles a week and cross train instead, etc.... I completely AGREE with you in that when it comes to dealing with PAIN / INJURY, personal trainers are not suited for that. The FMS for example which is a widely popular screening tool (amongst trainers and some PTs) developed by Gray Cook who is a Physical Therapist tells trainers to refer out whenever a client scores a ZERO on any movement which means they have pain with that movement.
 
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It's easy to say that there are not many good personal trainers if you have never been involved in the strength/conditioning or fitness industries. I doubt many of you have actually worked in those industries, so maybe the reason why you think there are few good trainers is because you haven't been exposed to them. I worked as a trainer on and off for 7 years and I can promise you there are many smart trainers out there who stay on top of the industry. And I am not talking about the big names. None of the ones I knew were out there trying to treat pain - they would refer to the physician when appropriate.
 
Yes I am a pt who works along side many other pts. I see a ton of similarities in the interventions that cpts and dpts implement. I was just making it a point that one could argue a person who has the means like cash out of pocket to pay for therapy, likely uses it b/c "it makes them feel better", not that it is actually indicated...thus making it a luxury service. Obviously post-op patients r not luxury service, I'm discussing the patient population that the OP referred to in reference to the type of person that seeks personal training services
You have an interesting view as it relates to the original topic. Do you have any regrets as far as becoming a PT?
 
It's easy to say that there are not many good personal trainers if you have never been involved in the strength/conditioning or fitness industries. I doubt many of you have actually worked in those industries, so maybe the reason why you think there are few good trainers is because you haven't been exposed to them. I worked as a trainer on and off for 7 years and I can promise you there are many smart trainers out there who stay on top of the industry. And I am not talking about the big names. None of the ones I knew were out there trying to treat pain - they would refer to the physician when appropriate.


But now we're talking about a different animal. The initial quote that derailed this thread stated this:
Yes I am a pt who works along side many other pts. I see a ton of similarities in the interventions that cpts and dpts implement.
Maybe I was reading in to the quote, but it sounds like the poster is saying that cpts and PTs can treat the same patients with similar efficacy because there are similarities in the interventions that they use. I could not disagree more with that point of view at all. And, unfortunately, I see quite a few patients where they have seen a personal trainer for a pain complaint where the care they received was likely sub-standard for a patient with their symptoms.

I have no issue with personal trainers being involved in fitness and strength and conditioning and would say that if they are an engaged member of the profession, they are probably better at this than most outpatient PTs.
 
Here is a link to a great podcast - an interview, conducted by someone well known in the strength and conditioning field, of a PT who has a great grasp on the most up-to-date pain science. It's a wonderful example of someone who is well versed in S&C going outside of his comfort zone and asking questions that every PT and trainer should ask.

Warning: It's LONG.
 
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But now we're talking about a different animal. The initial quote that derailed this thread stated this:

Maybe I was reading in to the quote, but it sounds like the poster is saying that cpts and PTs can treat the same patients with similar efficacy because there are similarities in the interventions that they use. I could not disagree more with that point of view at all. And, unfortunately, I see quite a few patients where they have seen a personal trainer for a pain complaint where the care they received was likely sub-standard for a patient with their symptoms.

I have no issue with personal trainers being involved in fitness and strength and conditioning and would say that if they are an engaged member of the profession, they are probably better at this than most outpatient PTs.
Here is a link to a great podcast - an interview, conducted by someone well known in the strength and conditioning field, of a PT who has a great grasp on the most up-to-date pain science. It's a wonderful example of someone who is well versed in S&C going outside of his comfort zone and asking questions that every PT and trainer should ask.

Warning: It's LONG.

Thanks for the link - look like there is some good info in there.
 
Here is a link to a great podcast - an interview, conducted by someone well known in the strength and conditioning field, of a PT who has a great grasp on the most up-to-date pain science. It's a wonderful example of someone who is well versed in S&C going outside of his comfort zone and asking questions that every PT and trainer should ask.

Warning: It's LONG.
Thanks for the link! Great info!
 
To the op:

I suggest you consider the student loan debt that is required to be a physical therapist. If it is 100% what u want to do, go for it! If you have any doubts, don't take on the debt. The PT path has one of the worst cost/benefit ratios of all health professions given the 6 figure debt many accrue, the 3yr opportunity cost, and the mediocre declining starting salary of 60k


Alright so from everything i've heard in this discussion (and thank you for taking the time to address the issues as tangential as some of them were), this idea about doubt has struck me the hardest. I've been shadowing and working as an Aide who has had plenty of time one on one with patients with supervision in an ortho outpatient setting and it truthfully makes me happy. That being said, how can one NOT have any doubt given the nature of healthcare and rising costs of school with decreasing salaries/low starting salaries? I can be 100% committed to being a PT but if it isn't financially feasible or if it is completely financially irresponsible no matter how you cut it, then that is a doubt right there. If some of you more experienced/licensed PTs can address the issue of what it means to "pull the trigger" and go in this direction while juxtaposing relative satisfaction versus burden on living from your own perspective, I would be grateful.

As it stands i'm looking at the cheapest possible school/cost of living (NY - Cuny Staten Island) with some great pre-req stats that will hopefully attain me entry but even then i'm going to be 60k in debt at least with living expenses.
 
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Alright so from everything i've heard in this discussion (and thank you for taking the time to address the issues as tangential as some of them were), this idea about doubt has struck me the hardest. I've been shadowing and working as an Aide who has had plenty of time one on one with patients with supervision in an ortho outpatient setting and it truthfully makes me happy. That being said, how can one NOT have any doubt given the nature of healthcare and rising costs of school with decreasing salaries/low starting salaries? I can be 100% committed to being a PT but if it isn't financially feasible or if it is completely financially irresponsible no matter how you cut it, then that is a doubt right there. If some of you more experienced/licensed PTs can address the issue of what it means to "pull the trigger" and go in this direction while juxtaposing relative satisfaction versus burden on living from your own perspective, I would be grateful.

As it stands i'm looking at the cheapest possible school/cost of living (NY - Cuny Staten Island) with some great pre-req stats that will hopefully attain me entry but even then i'm going to be 60k in debt at least with living expenses.
Alright so from everything i've heard in this discussion (and thank you for taking the time to address the issues as tangential as some of them were), this idea about doubt has struck me the hardest. I've been shadowing and working as an Aide who has had plenty of time one on one with patients with supervision in an ortho outpatient setting and it truthfully makes me happy. That being said, how can one NOT have any doubt given the nature of healthcare and rising costs of school with decreasing salaries/low starting salaries? I can be 100% committed to being a PT but if it isn't financially feasible or if it is completely financially irresponsible no matter how you cut it, then that is a doubt right there. If some of you more experienced/licensed PTs can address the issue of what it means to "pull the trigger" and go in this direction while juxtaposing relative satisfaction versus burden on living from your own perspective, I would be grateful.

As it stands i'm looking at the cheapest possible school/cost of living (NY - Cuny Staten Island) with some great pre-req stats that will hopefully attain me entry but even then i'm going to be 60k in debt at least with living expenses.
That is a super-hard choice to make and is totally personal, so I wish you the best of luck.
 
Alright so from everything i've heard in this discussion (and thank you for taking the time to address the issues as tangential as some of them were), this idea about doubt has struck me the hardest. I've been shadowing and working as an Aide who has had plenty of time one on one with patients with supervision in an ortho outpatient setting and it truthfully makes me happy. That being said, how can one NOT have any doubt given the nature of healthcare and rising costs of school with decreasing salaries/low starting salaries? I can be 100% committed to being a PT but if it isn't financially feasible or if it is completely financially irresponsible no matter how you cut it, then that is a doubt right there. If some of you more experienced/licensed PTs can address the issue of what it means to "pull the trigger" and go in this direction while juxtaposing relative satisfaction versus burden on living from your own perspective, I would be grateful.

As it stands i'm looking at the cheapest possible school/cost of living (NY - Cuny Staten Island) with some great pre-req stats that will hopefully attain me entry but even then i'm going to be 60k in debt at least with living expenses.

I couldn't have said it better myself. I worked as an aide for almost a year and enjoyed it. What boggles my mind is that my former employer graduated with a bachelors in PT around 10 years ago (no t-DPT), opened his own outpatient clinic, practices direct access, and uses a cash-based model.... I'm not sure if the DPT really added any value to this profession. Direct access should be renamed "semi-direct access" :rolleyes:, I really hope in a few years, things change and the scope of practice widens. BTW, did I mention that my former employer received scholarship for his bachelors degree, so no debt for him? Sometimes, I think, "oh life was so much easier back then". Bear in mind that almost every other profession requires additional certificates and higher degrees than say, 10, 20 years ago. Welcome to the era of highly educated and over qualified people. :clap:

That said, I'm happy to pursue this career, I'm just grudgingly accepting the fact that I have to go through additional years of schooling coupled with an opportunity cost of not making income during those three years. Maybe I'm blindsided because I am accepted to DPT programs, and feel like I need to move forward and focus on the positives.
 
^That's a pretty awesome way to think about it. My brother makes 80K and has a huge house, takes trips often, has a huge TV, nice car, etc.... And I also know people that make 170k/yr and have accumulated tons of debt. It's all about how you budget and spend your money.
Think of the NFL, those guys file for bankruptcy all the time. "Comfortable" is super, duper subjective! This should not even be a thread ;)
 
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i'll say it again.............IF you have any ounce of doubt, don't do it.
 
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i'll say it again.............IF you have any ounce of doubt, don't do it.

That's a very hardline stance to take and is unrealistic. Any job involves opportunity cost and one should be able to approach this decision from a cerebral perspective and discuss the issue without these types of grandiose statements. I may be more prone to worrying about finances because of my background.
 
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What is ur background? Are you currently iin school? What are your financial concerns with PT?
That's a very hardline stance to take and is unrealistic. Any job involves opportunity cost and one should be able to approach this decision from a cerebral perspective and discuss the issue without these types of grandiose statements. I may be more prone to worrying about finances because of my background.
 
I'm from NY, educated at Johns Hopkins University with a B.A. in psychology, minor in Russian. 3.6 gpa with all my pre-reqs (minus anatomy and physiology which i'm hopefully taking this summer). My GRE is in the 95%+ percentile. I left a Ph.D. program because it made me miserable and PT made me happy. Started looking at boards and then had to figure out if that happiness was worth what everyone seems to be complaining about all day on these threads with decreasing reimbursements and increasing school costs. I decided that i'm going to go to the cheapest school that accepts me and figure out if I can live at home. As I look further and further into the process now it seems Hunter in NYC might be the cheapest if I can bear commuting in and out on a daily basis (80 minutes with train which i can use to nap on the way in or study on the way back). I could be only 50k in the hole (as opposed to 80 or 100) if i can make that work. I also tutor which can make me some money in the 3 years i'm in school.

What i'm really worried about is the worst possible scenario that i'm glimpsing from these threads. Salaries go down, job availability follows and work environment becomes such that any pleasure I would get from working directly with people and helping them would be overshadowed by increasing pts/hour. However, if things stay relatively the same, I would be satisfied with my average 80k/year salary as long as i'm smart about investing in my education.

edit: oh and other healthcare fields don't interest me as much as PT primarily due to wanting more time with patients and the physical nature of the work, so no PA, MD. ANDDD... i'm sitting on 20k debt as it is that i'm desperately trying to get rid of before I would go to school at the middle/end of next year.
 
Zdrastvuiche! (I had 4 years of Russian in college but forgot 99% of it...)

If you are free to move, I'd recommend checking out East Carolina University as its in-state tuition for the DPT is only about $6K/year. COL is also very low in that area. It'd take some planning on your part as you'd have to move down earlier, to establish residency in the state.
 
That is actually very impressive. I'm thinking of staying in NY for a number of reasons including a support system, the company I tutor with and the possibility of being able to live at home in negating any COL issues. Is there anything you can say about my worst fears for the profession? I think the nature of these particular discussions tend to focus on the negative which I guess I am particularly vulnerable to, so I want to know what is fire and brimstone and what is actual consensus.
 
I think you are doing the right thing by keeping a tight lid on costs. Lots of students and prospective students don't realize that this field will get saturated, just like Pharmacy. The day you see for-profit PT schools open (a la Sullivan University, for pharmacy) is the day you should bail out. Thank God it hasn't happened yet.

If you love PT -and it certainly sounds like you do- then go ahead and jump in. I think it's impossible to say when the saturation will have a clear effect on salaries and working conditions, as it depends on too many variables, none of which we can control: the number of new programs opening up, Medicare's reimbursement rules, the ACA, how well insurance companies can bribe, er, lobby Congress, etc. It's like a solar eclipse in that we know it's going to happen one day, we just don't know when.

I think one way to stay ahead of the tide is to combine your training as a PT with something else. In your case, it'd be psychology and neuroscience. Think of a way where you can leverage your knowledge of the human brain with PT interventions; may be you can design a new protocol for re-habing stroke patients, or for helping improve older adults' cognition (think of Lumosity). When saturation hits, employers will be looking for PTs that have an extra edge. Start thinking about that extra edge now, and start honing it.
 
Thank you for that insight. I really do appreciate it.

As far as my personal initiative, i'm interested in expanding PT into the field of mental health, especially in relation to major depressive disorder. Studies i've read provide a framework for understanding how certain forms of training can increase serotonin levels in the brain. The DPT might serve me well in testing the grounds for this approach. Otherwise, I have friends who are opening gyms and want a PT and I have another friend who jokes about opening a clinic with me as she is going to start her DPT next year. One other idea is getting on board to develop an app that brings PTs closer to their patients (another friend is developing something like that for cognitive behavioral therapy). Truthfully, I have my eyes set high right now for my personal ambitions and the network to pursue those goals but it doesn't mean anything if PT goes down the drain and my MDD research won't matter too much if congress doesn't get it's head out of its... yeah preventative PT should really be a focus for both physical and mental maladies.
 
Thank you for that insight. I really do appreciate it.

As far as my personal initiative, i'm interested in expanding PT into the field of mental health, especially in relation to major depressive disorder. Studies i've read provide a framework for understanding how certain forms of training can increase serotonin levels in the brain.

Do you have any recommendations for research/books where I can learn more about this? Have they tested if it actually helps relieve some of the depression? This is so cool! :)
 
The easiest way to see some of the benefits is through google scholar, just look up exercise therapy and depression. I think it's worth extra research as a multimodal process to breaking through depressive episodes including medication and cognitive behavioral therapy on top of directed exercise, which given the medical nature of mental health disorders, could fall under the purview of PT. Of course, in my mind, it won't be as simple as "go do cardio for 30 minutes" as you can also see the benefit to resilience through dexterity training as well.

Just an idea.
 
The easiest way to see some of the benefits is through google scholar, just look up exercise therapy and depression. I think it's worth extra research as a multimodal process to breaking through depressive episodes including medication and cognitive behavioral therapy on top of directed exercise, which given the medical nature of mental health disorders, could fall under the purview of PT. Of course, in my mind, it won't be as simple as "go do cardio for 30 minutes" as you can also see the benefit to resilience through dexterity training as well.

Just an idea.

http://ptjournal.apta.org/content/early/2013/10/31/ptj.20130047.abstract
 
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I’ve been in the industry for almost 20 years and have seen the good and bad of the PT industry. Physical Therapy can be a good experience for anybody who likes to be around people and you can learn a lot about the human body. Careers in Physical Therapy are highly questionable these days, mostly due to the lack of medical insurance reimbursements. Work life in the physical therapy profession has lowered itself to the point of working for free at times. In order for an outpatient clinic to stay afloat, each PT needs to see at least 3 to 4 patients an hour and most clinics will not pay you to do patient charting; you will get burned out very fast, with very little job satisfaction. You find yourself continually having to explain to patients, why physical therapy is even needed and they’re right. I hate to say this, but 96% of patients in “Out Patient Clinics” who are handed down the food chain as a last attempt to fix their problems, don’t even really need to be there and Doctors, Nurses, Insurance companies know this. The Physical Therapy profession is experiencing what Chiropractors went through a long time ago and Chiropractors don’t get reimbursed for their services anymore and for good reason. Physical Therapy will not completely go obsolete, because they do have a role in Medicine, but It’s into specialty area’s such as “Long Term Nuero type facilities”, which means there will not be an over saturation of P.T.’s. You must remember, the “Healthcare Industry” is completely upside down right now and will be for a while. The healthcare industry is changing the way medical services are delivered. Hospitals are broke and have been for a long time, but they will be replaced with hybrid facilities with more of a team environment, rather than a “Gate Keeper”. Believe it or not, “Paramedics” are actually going to have a bigger role with a better paycheck and as we all probably know by now, P.A.s and N.P.’s will be taking over most of the decision making; Doctors are slowly becoming obsolete. Insurance companies will not continue to reimburse P.T. services for skills that a certified nursing assistant can do, in a place like “Skilled Nursing” and “Hospitals” which isn’t very much. I don’t make the rules, but it is, what it is. Physical Therapists and Physical Therapy Assistants have a great education on the human body, but it’s over kill and just because we got over educated and no the neuromuscular function of “Gluteus Maximus” it doesn’t mean that their hip extension will be better off. Most of healthcare will either be in “Health Prevention and Emergency Intervention”. This is where the “Fitness Industry” might be changing a little, with requirements of a degree. Fitness and Physical Therapy are two totally different disciplines. As an embarrassment to the medical profession, “Physical Therapists” have been trying to step on other disciplines and try to convince people that it’s their entitled role, when it actually isn’t and their schooling does not train them in that area. It’s one of mine and many other Physical Therapist’s disappointment and embarrassment, which we constantly have to explain to patients, why Physical Therapists are trying to act like fitness trainers. Hate to be the Whistle Blower! Regarding Physical Therapist and Personal Trainers; I’ve seen just as many crappy Physical Therapists as there is Personal Trainers, I think It’s in all professions and It’s the individual that actually make the difference. Certifications are becoming the “New Degree”. As with everything, certifications have evolved and it actually does a really good job of teaching, what a professional needs to know and excluding what is not necessary. I obviously have a degree, but I can honestly say; most of it is a total waste of time and money. Schools are doing a great job at marketing Physical Therapy as having a bright future, but failing to acknowledge the fact that salaries are decreasing at an alarming rate and insurance companies are seeing therapy services as a luxury and not a necessity. As long as schools are receiving students and making money of them, then marketing the profession will continue and you will see Physical Therapists complaining just like the Chiropractors do.
 
I’ve been in the industry for almost 20 years and have seen the good and bad of the PT industry. Physical Therapy can be a good experience for anybody who likes to be around people and you can learn a lot about the human body. Careers in Physical Therapy are highly questionable these days, mostly due to the lack of medical insurance reimbursements. Work life in the physical therapy profession has lowered itself to the point of working for free at times. In order for an outpatient clinic to stay afloat, each PT needs to see at least 3 to 4 patients an hour and most clinics will not pay you to do patient charting; you will get burned out very fast, with very little job satisfaction. You find yourself continually having to explain to patients, why physical therapy is even needed and they’re right. I hate to say this, but 96% of patients in “Out Patient Clinics” who are handed down the food chain as a last attempt to fix their problems, don’t even really need to be there and Doctors, Nurses, Insurance companies know this. The Physical Therapy profession is experiencing what Chiropractors went through a long time ago and Chiropractors don’t get reimbursed for their services anymore and for good reason. Physical Therapy will not completely go obsolete, because they do have a role in Medicine, but It’s into specialty area’s such as “Long Term Nuero type facilities”, which means there will not be an over saturation of P.T.’s. You must remember, the “Healthcare Industry” is completely upside down right now and will be for a while. The healthcare industry is changing the way medical services are delivered. Hospitals are broke and have been for a long time, but they will be replaced with hybrid facilities with more of a team environment, rather than a “Gate Keeper”. Believe it or not, “Paramedics” are actually going to have a bigger role with a better paycheck and as we all probably know by now, P.A.s and N.P.’s will be taking over most of the decision making; Doctors are slowly becoming obsolete. Insurance companies will not continue to reimburse P.T. services for skills that a certified nursing assistant can do, in a place like “Skilled Nursing” and “Hospitals” which isn’t very much. I don’t make the rules, but it is, what it is. Physical Therapists and Physical Therapy Assistants have a great education on the human body, but it’s over kill and just because we got over educated and no the neuromuscular function of “Gluteus Maximus” it doesn’t mean that their hip extension will be better off. Most of healthcare will either be in “Health Prevention and Emergency Intervention”. This is where the “Fitness Industry” might be changing a little, with requirements of a degree. Fitness and Physical Therapy are two totally different disciplines. As an embarrassment to the medical profession, “Physical Therapists” have been trying to step on other disciplines and try to convince people that it’s their entitled role, when it actually isn’t and their schooling does not train them in that area. It’s one of mine and many other Physical Therapist’s disappointment and embarrassment, which we constantly have to explain to patients, why Physical Therapists are trying to act like fitness trainers. Hate to be the Whistle Blower! Regarding Physical Therapist and Personal Trainers; I’ve seen just as many crappy Physical Therapists as there is Personal Trainers, I think It’s in all professions and It’s the individual that actually make the difference. Certifications are becoming the “New Degree”. As with everything, certifications have evolved and it actually does a really good job of teaching, what a professional needs to know and excluding what is not necessary. I obviously have a degree, but I can honestly say; most of it is a total waste of time and money. Schools are doing a great job at marketing Physical Therapy as having a bright future, but failing to acknowledge the fact that salaries are decreasing at an alarming rate and insurance companies are seeing therapy services as a luxury and not a necessity. As long as schools are receiving students and making money of them, then marketing the profession will continue and you will see Physical Therapists complaining just like the Chiropractors do.

Don't think its a troll.

Alright some of this is good and I'll agree completely from some of my own observations. However, some of your statistics are bs. Sorry about your 96% stat. I'm young, I know, and although I volunteered in 7 areas before getting into my DPT program of choice, I know that my time was limited. I also know my 5-10 lifestyle after school with that debt (....cough, child). Sadly, that's how life is now. Another reason why the day to day should be valued more than your paycheck.

1. "In order for an outpatient clinic to stay afloat, each PT needs to see at least 3 to 4 patients an hour and most clinics will not pay you to do patient charting; you will get burned out very fast, with very little job satisfaction." Yes, I'm glad you said this. PT Mill is the derogatory term for this. I was at one for arguably a year. Maybe it's just me, but with PTA's and aides you can still have solid conversation with patients and meaningful interactions. The PT's there definitely were not doing any free services whatsoever and patients went through massive improvements after their time there. Heads up, 3 patients an hour isn't bad at all. Docs are taking 5-6. Up to APTA to maybe do something about additional patients? Gets to a point where therapy won't have the necessary time commitment for results. Advocacy has to step up?

2. "I hate to say this, but 96% of patients"
Your work setting must completely suck. I don't know maybe its nice that I saw an environment where patients with neuropathy were getting treatment.......the pt who ran the practice (oldschool. started in the 80s) had anecdotes of doctors who wanted to amputate legs..........he called bs and worked with some patients. Guess what? They got healthy and 2 years later, no amputations.
You might be in an environment affiliated directly with a hospital where patients get sent down the line to you. Idk. Your statistic is still a gross exaggeration or else you probably wouldn't be working there (I couldn't give fake therapy services and wake up in the morning and look myself in the mirror). Other outpatients I saw over a few months of volunteering showed massive improvement of the patients. The gratitude was tangible.

3. "Schools are doing a great job at marketing Physical Therapy as having a bright future, but failing to acknowledge the fact that salaries are decreasing at an alarming rate and insurance companies are seeing therapy services as a luxury and not a necessity" I agree with this statement but I think you're neglecting that a lot of it isn't just schools, BLS and other sources have some projections as well. It's apparently the fastest growing field, although the exact percentage may not be as high as predicted. As for insurance companies, yes, people typing eight hours a day and adjusting rates are always going to try and get more of a buck. Do you really think that HH won't have a massive need? Even the team based environment you mentioned in inpatient and the OP's trying to stay afloat.....how would those not increase a greater demand to take pressure off of some workers? Correct me if I'm wrong, but the next 15 years will have massive turnover in people retiring with boomers (especially in the next 8 years). That drives demand up. If demand has increased, I would assume that would drive wages up to meet the need. Isn't that simple economics? This isn't pharmacy.....yet, where the schools have begun pumping out more grads than the need. DPT class sizes are relatively small as well.
 
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@hardtruth either failed out of PT school or a CPT gone mad
 
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I gave up trying to wade through Hard Truth's "wall of text." May be s/he is paid by the word?
 
I have also been in the PT profession for nearly 20 years, and it has been an adventure, a privilege, and an honor. My employer is ethical (a non-negotiable item for me, as I hope it would be for everyone) and recognizes the value of my skills. I continue to learn and grow in the profession, simultaneously student and teacher; the practice of physical therapy is an ever-expanding universe.

Practicing PT is also like a performing fine craft: one patient at a time, given your full attention. You go to school, your affiliations are your apprenticeship, your initial job or jobs make up your journeyman experience, and one day you discover that mastery has enveloped you. (It kinda feels like a Jedi cloak, in case you are wondering. Awesome.)

If this work speaks to you - your vocation, your calling - come on in, the water's fine. There is always work for the dedicated, creative, and hard-working. Nothing beats loving what you do every day - so many people only get to do what they love for free and only in their spare time.
 
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