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drguy22 said:i tried to UNDERSTAND physics when i took the MCAT for the first time last april...but it didnt work so well..i got a 7 and then it affected my performance on the rest of the sections (7,9,9). But then i decided that i would just memorize the forumlas and rules, etc and i ended up with a 10, 10 ,10...so just memorize and you guys should do fine.....good luck!
gujuDoc said:What helped me in understanding physics is understanding the calculus behind why certain formulas are what they are. Try to think about it conceptually and try to figure out where the formulas are integrated or derived from and it will make your life a lot easier.
MMMM said:I am taking physics next semester and I am not sure if I should take the harder physics which is more calculus based which most engineering students take or the normal one that most the pre meds take. My cousin took the calc based and said it helped him out a lot. Any advice?
MMMM said:I am taking physics next semester and I am not sure if I should take the harder physics which is more calculus based which most engineering students take or the normal one that most the pre meds take. My cousin took the calc based and said it helped him out a lot. Any advice?
JETER said:I have TA'd and tutored physics for several years now, and my advice is to take the Calc based physics. When a student approaches me with a conceptual difficulty in a physics subject (for the non-calc based year), I always start with the calculus basics, and show how the math is applied to the physical problem. Even though they have not taken calc, they can understand the basics you need for this. Calculus is the backbone of physics; if you take the class without it, you are just paying to have someone tell you what eqns to memorize. However, the calc based course will teach you how to understand what is going on. With this background, you can easily adapt to most any mechanical or E&M situation which might appear on the MCAT.
However, as I am sure you know, calculus is not required or needed for the MCAT. It just helps.
juniper456 said:Whoa there, buddy. if there's anything i hate more than physics, it's calculus. . .
HistoRocks said:Not sure how much calculus helps with physics. Just coz' u can differentiate & integrate with your eyes close does not mean you'll be acing a physics test. Especially when you consider that one can also make it through Calculus I, via "plugging and chugging" numbers. Seriously, who remembers the derivation of the Mean-Value Theorem or Power Rule after taking Calc I? If you want to derive formulas in physics, you don't need necessarily need advanced math, not for the general case at least, where you are assuming certain variables to remain constant. Plus, the conceptual nature of the problem does not usually call for any derivation to begin with. Figuring out what equation to use or how to derive an equation is not what bugs most ppl in physics. It usually involves translating the words into the right "equations." I put quotations there because its essential that you also know how to manipulate the equation, a very basic skill.
gujuDoc said:You do make a good point there......but in terms of the math I see a lot of application in understanding calc cuz it makes more sense as to why formulas such as work = Fx are just that and how that relates to the way they came up with different potential energy formulas, etc.
However, you are right that the concepts and word related issues are much more important than math in general. Although, that also is subjective and depends on form of the test.
HistoRocks said:I'm still not sure exactly how Calculus helps. Unless you're talking about variables such as acceleration that don't remain constant. To use your example, W = Fs. Yes, you could derive a specific integral formula that applies for all cases. But can't you get just as good an understanding by simply noting that the work is in the direction of the displacment? Isn't that all that matters, at the end of the day... what does varying the force achieve, unless you plan to be an engineer? And W = Fs is the most general form... assuming you are talking about mechanical energy, the work ends up being equal to the change in kinetic energy, which you can derive just by changing the "a" to an equivalent velocity/time form, derived from basic kinematics, something u can do in ur head! Not sure if that specific derivation is even possible with calculus!
rules..like what wavelength corresponds with wat colors (UV, red , violet, infrared) and definition of lots of things like resistance, conductance, all the linear motion formulas, etc etc. JUST MEMORIZEjtank said:are u sure its okay just to memorize the formulas? and what do u mean by rules?
gujuDoc said:I think you are misunderstanding me. Let me try to reexplain. Yes you are correct in what you are saying.
What I meant is for instance our teacher tells us to look at dimensional analysis.
But dimensional analysis does not account for why say velocity = 1/2at^2 rather than at^2.
However, you are correct, that it is important to understand conceptual rules such as the rules for waves, or what happens to velocity if frequency is constant but wavelenth increases/decreases.
And little things like that make more sense if you understand that the reason it is 1/2at^2 comes from the calculus background and integration.
Things like that are especially important. Understanding what happens to variables is probably the biggest thing more than math, because while some forms have a lot of math, many want to know things like how much something increases or decreases.
Oh one more thing.......
In terms of MCAT
Most tests give the needed formulas, but it is still good to know them so if you need them then you will know how to apply them
HistoRocks said:Of course dimensional analysis cannot be used to derive a formula. Dimensional analysis is only good for converting from one type of unit to another.
Oh boy. I honestly don't think you should take a 14 week class to find out why its 1/2at^2 instead of at^2... unless of course you plan to get a Ph.D in that area. That has to be the most insignificant detail in all of science... I DO hope no one at TPR asked you to be able to derive that formula either!
Yeah, thats what physics gets down to, concepts.
Knowing all the kinematics equations by heart is a must! And of course being able to change the formula/equation around.
Its best to have as many of the formulas memorized... it does save you time at the end of the day. If you do enough physics problems, over a period of 1 yr, believe me... you won't forget the formulas for a very long time.
I have some quibbles. To wit:HistoRocks said:Of course dimensional analysis cannot be used to derive a formula. Dimensional analysis is only good for converting from one type of unit to another.
Oh boy. I honestly don't think you should take a 14 week class to find out why its 1/2at^2 instead of at^2... unless of course you plan to get a Ph.D in that area. That has to be the most insignificant detail in all of science... I DO hope no one at TPR asked you to be able to derive that formula either!
Yeah, thats what physics gets down to, concepts.
Knowing all the kinematics equations by heart is a must! And of course being able to change the formula/equation around.
Its best to have as many of the formulas memorized... it does save you time at the end of the day. If you do enough physics problems, over a period of 1 yr, believe me... you won't forget the formulas for a very long time.
dancinjenn said:duh...that's why the "SIC" is in "phySICs"