I recently was accepted to nursing school at Mount Carmel in ohio. I already have a 4 yr degree in zoology however my transfer classes still give me a freshman status at Mt Carmel. I hope to apply to podiatry school by Friday however Mt Carmel wants a decision by March. Anyone in similar situations where one program deadline is before you know about another? I don't want to take another year off school but I think I want Podiatry a little more than nursing.
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I wonder why so many seem to come to a crossroads between Nursing and Podiatry. I mean, they are two COMPLETELY different professions. I could understand more if it was DO/MD vs Podiatry or even Dental vs Podiatry.
Anyways, you will need to shadow to find out what you want to know. I wouldn't let random strangers on the internet tell you what you should be doing for the rest of your life.
Anyways, you will need to shadow to find out what you want to know. I wouldn't let random strangers on the internet tell you what you should be doing for the rest of your life.
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You can shadow a newly graduated nurse working.
Oh wait, you can't
Oh wait, you can't
Actually I have shadowed my friend who is a new nurse however her field is not what I would want anyway I would want something a little more fast paced with more control. It's something I will have to think about for sure. Thanks for the responses
Most in podiatry do not have the stats for MD do or dds.
Anyway it comes down to what is your style and personality. The only advantage to nursing is the increasing reliance on these para health professionals will make for excellent prospects for the rn NP crna PA etc.
My end goal is Crna or no and I thought would I be content as a regular RN If I failed to be accepted to those programs and I don't think I would be. Of course with my stellar grades and personality I doubt that would be the case haha
I was having the same issue as you last month. I had trouble deciding which path to choose but i've always been interested in podiatry and followed my heart.lol I never shadowed a nurse before then but it definitely helped me decide so shadow each one for a few hours during the week..good luck!
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=977036
http://forums.studentdoctor.net/showthread.php?t=977036
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You should know that CRNA programs are very competitive...
Agreed, the numbers to get into those programs are rising quickly, especially CRNA. You would not be the only nurse who wants to take another two years of school to double their salary. The other thing to consider is for CRNA it is an overt requirement to work in an acute care setting as an RN for a minimum of two years (in all honesty you will need above the minimum 2) . Reading Loyola's alumni newsletter I have seen several in alumni news that become CRNA's about 8 years after graduating, so that is working 5 or 6 years as an RN. I am not sure what the deal is with getting into a DNP, but that is getting more competitive and I would not be surprised if there is also some other requirement to work as an RN for XYZ amount of years before applying.
Overall I would not the DNP or CRNA route unless you are open to the possibility of being an RN for a fair amount of time.
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Ah, you know I contended with this issue not too long ago. I chose Nursing/DPT over podiatry, here's why:
Podiatry school costs: When you include room and board and other miscellaneous fee's it's going to cost you about 50-60k per year, 200-240k overall, + interest, your looking at about 300k in loans upon graduation. It will likely take you 10 years to pay back those loans.
Obamacare: With increasing malpractice insurance costs and lower reimbursements, the field isn't as attractive. School costs are going up while your salary is decreasing.
Salary: Your salary will be similar to a family physicians, about 150k is the average. About 30% of your salary will go into government taxes.
Residency Shortage: I know of people that couldn't land a residency. Your not guaranteed a residency upon graduation.
Profession: Not well-known/recognized.
Risks Involved: You may not pass the boards or may not pass your classes and you'll be left high and dry with a zoology degree. Podiatry school has a high attrition rate.
Why Nursing/DPT:
Profession is well-known, highly respected, and is advancing.
A degree that offers both variety and many opportunities for advancement. You can work in both clinical and non-clinical settings. The sky's the limit.
Advanced degree options, DNP, CRNA, CNS, PHD, ect....Some RN's are CEO's and make millions, some practice Law, Some run clinics, the management and leadership opportunities are endless as well as the teaching and research opportunities are amazing.
Cost of school is relatively low compared to podiatry, esp state schools.
The ANA supports obamacare, Advanced practice nurses role is expanding and are gaining more authority. NP's in some states can practice as the patient's primary care provider and you have prescription authority in all 50 states.
You can work while pursuing your RN/NP degree and not have to worry about pulling out loans. Some hospitals will even pay you to pursue higher education and their are sign-on bonuses as well, something unique to the rn, np and pa professions. You'll likely not to have to worry about paying back any loans and can start making bank upon graduation
Your not limited to the feet, you can specialize in oncology, psychiatry, ect...a lot more interesting specialties and you'll really touch a patient's life. Nursing is now also moving into the surgical specialties, like plastic surgery for instance.
RN degree is recognized internationally, podiatry isn't.
http://www.discovernursing.com/
NOTE: Yes CRNA is competitive to get into, but realize you also need to get decent grades in podiatry school to get a residency, a 2.0 gpa in podiatry school will unlikely get you a position. And you'll likely be a bad healthcare provider. You need good or at least decent grades in any health profession. Also you need to like and be competent in surgery to go into podiatry since this will be an important job function.
Podiatry school costs: When you include room and board and other miscellaneous fee's it's going to cost you about 50-60k per year, 200-240k overall, + interest, your looking at about 300k in loans upon graduation. It will likely take you 10 years to pay back those loans.
Obamacare: With increasing malpractice insurance costs and lower reimbursements, the field isn't as attractive. School costs are going up while your salary is decreasing.
Salary: Your salary will be similar to a family physicians, about 150k is the average. About 30% of your salary will go into government taxes.
Residency Shortage: I know of people that couldn't land a residency. Your not guaranteed a residency upon graduation.
Profession: Not well-known/recognized.
Risks Involved: You may not pass the boards or may not pass your classes and you'll be left high and dry with a zoology degree. Podiatry school has a high attrition rate.
Why Nursing/DPT:
Profession is well-known, highly respected, and is advancing.
A degree that offers both variety and many opportunities for advancement. You can work in both clinical and non-clinical settings. The sky's the limit.
Advanced degree options, DNP, CRNA, CNS, PHD, ect....Some RN's are CEO's and make millions, some practice Law, Some run clinics, the management and leadership opportunities are endless as well as the teaching and research opportunities are amazing.
Cost of school is relatively low compared to podiatry, esp state schools.
The ANA supports obamacare, Advanced practice nurses role is expanding and are gaining more authority. NP's in some states can practice as the patient's primary care provider and you have prescription authority in all 50 states.
You can work while pursuing your RN/NP degree and not have to worry about pulling out loans. Some hospitals will even pay you to pursue higher education and their are sign-on bonuses as well, something unique to the rn, np and pa professions. You'll likely not to have to worry about paying back any loans and can start making bank upon graduation
Your not limited to the feet, you can specialize in oncology, psychiatry, ect...a lot more interesting specialties and you'll really touch a patient's life. Nursing is now also moving into the surgical specialties, like plastic surgery for instance.
RN degree is recognized internationally, podiatry isn't.
http://www.discovernursing.com/
NOTE: Yes CRNA is competitive to get into, but realize you also need to get decent grades in podiatry school to get a residency, a 2.0 gpa in podiatry school will unlikely get you a position. And you'll likely be a bad healthcare provider. You need good or at least decent grades in any health profession. Also you need to like and be competent in surgery to go into podiatry since this will be an important job function.
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Well all right then... the 300k in loans (a realistic number, granted) will absolutely not take 10 years to pay off if one really wants. Don't need to go in depth here, frugality is key.
As for the non-attractiveness of the field, that applies to ALL health professions, so don't think for a second that nursing will also take a small wage cut.
The quality of living is, and will always be higher as a doctor (no disrespect for nurses, a great profession).
The salary mentioned can only increase with time, whereas nursing salaries are fairly stagnant, in the lower income bracket. The nurses who are CEO's have made quite well for themselves, yet are 0.05% of the nursing world, In that interval, podiatrists can make upwards of $1 mill as well.
No one is guaranteed anything. You have to work hard, and you will succeed. Anyone can talk about risks, no comment there. It is a given.
30% in taxes? You don't need to have an economics PhD to understand how tax brackets and deductions work.
Bottom line: Nursing is a GREAT profession, and individuals need to decide for themselves what they want to do. I agree, the nursing vs. podiatry debate is ridiculous, as the two are apples and oranges. In terms of that post, some of these so-called 'facts' are completely fallacious, and require careful scrutiny. There are problems with every field, but use your head, and dwell on less superficial cherry-picked quotes.
As for the non-attractiveness of the field, that applies to ALL health professions, so don't think for a second that nursing will also take a small wage cut.
The quality of living is, and will always be higher as a doctor (no disrespect for nurses, a great profession).
The salary mentioned can only increase with time, whereas nursing salaries are fairly stagnant, in the lower income bracket. The nurses who are CEO's have made quite well for themselves, yet are 0.05% of the nursing world, In that interval, podiatrists can make upwards of $1 mill as well.
No one is guaranteed anything. You have to work hard, and you will succeed. Anyone can talk about risks, no comment there. It is a given.
30% in taxes? You don't need to have an economics PhD to understand how tax brackets and deductions work.
Bottom line: Nursing is a GREAT profession, and individuals need to decide for themselves what they want to do. I agree, the nursing vs. podiatry debate is ridiculous, as the two are apples and oranges. In terms of that post, some of these so-called 'facts' are completely fallacious, and require careful scrutiny. There are problems with every field, but use your head, and dwell on less superficial cherry-picked quotes.
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I was wondering when dudestheman was going to return ever since this thread opened. Probably tired of posting "/" and ";" to replace deleted posts in the PA vs NP thread.
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He still hasn't figured out your/you're. How can we trust anything he says?
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I'm glad people have mostly learned not to bother responding to Dude's posts. The guy is deliberately deceptive and grossly misinformed. You could spend all day poking holes in his hot air balloons and he'd just make something new up. Where would that leave you? No where. Ignore the trolls and deceivers. Help the people who ask for it.
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Just like how primary care docs can perform 100% of what NP and DNP do, so why are you bothering to enter that profession? Seriously every argument you make, either on this forum or others, just proves you have no idea what you are talking about! Please go back the PA vs NP thread as I got some amusement from the thrashing you took from other health professions, including others who are pursuing to become NPs! And with that I am finished commenting on or toward dudes!
Disclaimer: I do not mean to put down NP/DNP (PAs as well). They are a vital part in how healthcare is provided in be US, along with podiatrists, MDs, and DOs. I only used them as an example to point out the flaw in dudes argument.
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http://www.innovatorsguide.org/occupations/podiatrist_job_outlook.htm
http://job-outlook.careerplanner.com/Podiatrists.cfm
http://www.healthguideusa.org/careers/podiatrist_job_outlook.htm
http://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/podiatrists.htm
Look Mr. Dude!! I put up all these links for you!! I am expecting you will go searching through them in your quest to warn us of the major mistake we are making in becoming podiatrists. What will you find in the links? Just bunch of info about the current earnings of pods and the professional job outlook.
Are we going to be bringing in million dollar paychecks? No
Is there a risk that some of us might not get a dream job? Yes
Are all of us going to think at some point, "Pod school costs a lot of money!"? Yes
Who cares? If you do what other people want you do to all your life you're not going to be satisfied with what you are doing. We want to be podiatrists. Just as much as you want to do whatever is you want to do.
Mr. Dude, Chillax. We are super hyped about being pods, we have done our research, and know it is something we can/we want to succeed at. If we need any father-figure advice we'll ask you for it.
http://job-outlook.careerplanner.com/Podiatrists.cfm
http://www.healthguideusa.org/careers/podiatrist_job_outlook.htm
http://www.bls.gov/ooh/healthcare/podiatrists.htm
Look Mr. Dude!! I put up all these links for you!! I am expecting you will go searching through them in your quest to warn us of the major mistake we are making in becoming podiatrists. What will you find in the links? Just bunch of info about the current earnings of pods and the professional job outlook.
Are we going to be bringing in million dollar paychecks? No
Is there a risk that some of us might not get a dream job? Yes
Are all of us going to think at some point, "Pod school costs a lot of money!"? Yes
Who cares? If you do what other people want you do to all your life you're not going to be satisfied with what you are doing. We want to be podiatrists. Just as much as you want to do whatever is you want to do.
Mr. Dude, Chillax. We are super hyped about being pods, we have done our research, and know it is something we can/we want to succeed at. If we need any father-figure advice we'll ask you for it.
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Thanyou SLC Pod for your wise comment. I respect you. And thank yo for correcting me, the median salary is 118k, not 150k. I have seen salaries for PA's and NP's hire than this, but it's not about the money, you do it b/c it's what you love. Take care.
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And according to BLS, the average salary for a RN is $64,690, which according to my math, is roughly 50% of what podiatrists are reported to earn (according to BLS, of course). It has been stated many times on SDN that the figure of 118k for podiatrists is significantly lower than the real world average. That salary for a nurse is lower than average as well, but no matter how you slice it, you will be making close to double as a podiatrist.
btw hire =/= higher
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didn't realize he was trolling. Gave a thoughtful response, hope that didn't count as 'feeding the troll'
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For anyone taking the troll seriously, please don't. New practitioners (graduated from residency) in California are making around $200,000. At least the ones I've talked to.
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Thank You. I wasn't trolling. I gave a thoughtful response of my opinion. It's when others don't agree with me, than they get angry. To be honest, I never took the mcat and don't plan to, I'm set on a career b/c I'll know I'll excel and do very well in it and become very successful and wealthy. But if a person couldn't hack it on the mcat than that person will likely do very poorly on the board exams. If you had a low science gpa, that person will likely do poorly in pod school. I tell people like this, don't do yourself a disservice, im sure many schools want to fill there seats and rack the cash, you don't want to get kicked out or be left high and dry with no residency. Ultimately it's your choice. I gave my personal view on the pod vs. nursing debate.
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Go to nursing school. No future in podiatry. Not a good way of life. Podiatrist? You have to fend for yourself because there are not too many jobs for DPM grads in the new rules.
So call me a troll.
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^NICE!!!!! COMMENT!!!! Thank You!! for speaking out. Can you please elaborate on your statement. Thanks!
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So I am currently at the podiatrist office. I love it its so great!!!!! He is behind from explaining everything to me so GE told me to take a break but I definitely am making the right decision. He also advised me on which schools to apply to and to go for a really good residency since so many podiatrists send their patients to him for second opinions.
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First, half way through this I completely forgot what the point of this thread was. I thought it started off as DPM vs. Nursing and somehow it found its way into Trolling vs. Trolling.
But I remember when I was a Freshmen (in '09-10) I remember thinking about going into Nursing and unfortunately for me I took a bogus Intro to Nursing class that ruined my chances of graduating in 4yrs just off that one 2 credit class that screwed up my schedule. I thought about going into Nursing b/c I was close family friends with one of the 400 level NURSING teachers at MSU. Problem was that during my freshmen year the classes they were taking were a joke compared to my classes. I realized my GPA wasn't good enough to be able to apply before my Jr. undergrad year.
As a male it may be different, but I just didn't like the nursing field. I am a CNA as well and I just feel as if at the two hospitals I have worked at and the one nursing home the RN's were all complete jerks and rude. All of them have bags under their eyes and look like they average 4 hrs of sleep a night. I have 4 good friends currently in the MSU Nursing program, just the bachelors, and they kind of like it.
I just feel as if when you think of how many nurses there are I would feel as if there would be a shortage. Like I would expect a large shortage. I just think the nursing field just seems boring. Whenever I go to a doctors office the only thing the nuse has ever done for me is take my blood pressure, temperature, and collected a sample for a physical. And even when I broke a bone I would talk to the X-Ray Technician not the nurse.
Like when you look at a Nursing Home you really have just one or two Registered Nurse on duty per floor at most and then the rest are just CNAs who make $30K a year.
The problem may be the debt and the fact that podiatry is a 4yr doctorate and from what I remember Nursing is a 2yr program after undergrad. One thing I always thought was odd for Nursing was that at MSU you would take 4 semesters of undergrad and during your 3rd semester you apply to the nursing school at MSU. If you get declined then you have to apply to other programs as well. It was really confusing.
But I remember when I was a Freshmen (in '09-10) I remember thinking about going into Nursing and unfortunately for me I took a bogus Intro to Nursing class that ruined my chances of graduating in 4yrs just off that one 2 credit class that screwed up my schedule. I thought about going into Nursing b/c I was close family friends with one of the 400 level NURSING teachers at MSU. Problem was that during my freshmen year the classes they were taking were a joke compared to my classes. I realized my GPA wasn't good enough to be able to apply before my Jr. undergrad year.
As a male it may be different, but I just didn't like the nursing field. I am a CNA as well and I just feel as if at the two hospitals I have worked at and the one nursing home the RN's were all complete jerks and rude. All of them have bags under their eyes and look like they average 4 hrs of sleep a night. I have 4 good friends currently in the MSU Nursing program, just the bachelors, and they kind of like it.
I just feel as if when you think of how many nurses there are I would feel as if there would be a shortage. Like I would expect a large shortage. I just think the nursing field just seems boring. Whenever I go to a doctors office the only thing the nuse has ever done for me is take my blood pressure, temperature, and collected a sample for a physical. And even when I broke a bone I would talk to the X-Ray Technician not the nurse.
Like when you look at a Nursing Home you really have just one or two Registered Nurse on duty per floor at most and then the rest are just CNAs who make $30K a year.
The problem may be the debt and the fact that podiatry is a 4yr doctorate and from what I remember Nursing is a 2yr program after undergrad. One thing I always thought was odd for Nursing was that at MSU you would take 4 semesters of undergrad and during your 3rd semester you apply to the nursing school at MSU. If you get declined then you have to apply to other programs as well. It was really confusing.
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