Possible disciplinary action: lying to my PI

[superjail]

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[Yope]

Not sure about your PI, but if your SA dean says not to worry, you're probably ok.

 

[justaregularmed]

If taken seriously this is really the worst kind of infraction. If you cant be trusted you cant be trusted.

I don't want to panic you but break this habit immediately if you perchance do it in any other situations, it will end poorly.

 

[Guillemot]

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[Perrotfish]

If your dean says that you shouldn't worry about it then it really doesn't sound like you're facing disciplinary action. It DOES sound like you burned a bridge with your PI but there's not much to be done about that now. Even your PI doesn't sound all that pissed about the lie (as per your description), it sounds more like he's pissed about the lost data/grant money. However if you're still scared about disciplinary action I'd say the key thing to do is to make sure you don't dig yourself a deeper hole while your waiting to see if anyone wants to take action against you. Don't lie to anyone else and don't get into a situation where you're going to get angry/emotional. If they actually bring you before the Dean then your goal is to minimize what you did whil at the same time showing them that it was a one time screw up and not a pattern of behavior.

Anyway take a deep breath. Odds are the worst part is already over.

 

[CattleBruiser]

You might have just cost your PI a $300K grant. I would just owe up to it and end it there. P.S. dragging your friend into this was not cool.

 

[superjail]

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If your dean says that you shouldn't worry about it then it really doesn't sound like you're facing disciplinary action. It DOES sound like you burned a bridge with your PI but there's not much to be done about that now. Even your PI doesn't sound all that pissed about the lie (as per your description), it sounds more like he's pissed about the lost data/grant money. However if you're still scared about disciplinary action I'd say the key thing to do is to make sure you don't dig yourself a deeper hole while your waiting to see if anyone wants to take action against you. Don't lie to anyone else and don't get into a situation where you're going to get angry/emotional. If they actually bring you before the Dean then your goal is to minimize what you did whil at the same time showing them that it was a one time screw up and not a pattern of behavior.

Anyway take a deep breath. Odds are the worst part is already over.

 

[gracie369]

Ironic that your name has the word “jail” in it

 

[bruinhd]

You might have just cost your PI a $300K grant. I would just owe up to it and end it there. P.S. dragging your friend into this was not cool.

Where'd you get that figure? Haha, my lab only procured like $20k grants. We were broke as hell. I had to write lab reports on a pentium 66.

As for you, Mr. Infraction, I know that people are trying to scare you. It sounds like you're going to be fine, according to your Dean. But you should seriously give consideration to that trust issue that someone brought up. Think about the reasons why you lied, and try and understand why you did that. I don't want to give you the impression that you are a selfish person, cuz we all can be a little selfish, but this is big time.

You were worried about your priorities as a medical student. But think about your PI's priorities. His research is his career and his reputation, which you basically are effing with. He has a family he has to feed and whatnot. What are you? Just a young man with debt to his name.

Like I said, it sounds like you're fine. And also, we can all be selfish. I am trying to be the person that people expect doctors to be. I am just throwing the same advice out to you.

 

[CattleBruiser]

Where'd you get that figure? Haha, my lab only procured like $20k grants. We were broke as hell. I had to write lab reports on a pentium 66.

Yea I basically associate patient-data in a grant as being part of a huge study, so maybe $300K is actually a low ball average. I've seen clinical research grants go higher than that.

I see you're from LA (and a Bruin), here's UCLA's grant info:

http://report.nih.gov/award/organiz...w=data&pagenum=1&sortcol=funding&sortdir=desc

I sorted by funding...ranges from $5 Mil to $10-20K, but you can kind of tell that the million dollar grants are for huge studies, probably collaborative, and probably involving patients.

 

[bruinhd]

Yea I basically associate patient-data in a grant as being part of a huge study, so maybe $300K is actually a low ball average. I've seen clinical research grants go higher than that.

I see you're from LA (and a Bruin), here's UCLA's grant info:

http://report.nih.gov/award/organiz...w=data&pagenum=1&sortcol=funding&sortdir=desc

I sorted by funding...ranges from $5 Mil to $10-20K, but you can kind of tell that the million dollar grants are for huge studies, probably collaborative, and probably involving patients.

So what you're saying basically is that this dude **** the bed.

 

[CattleBruiser]

So what you're saying basically is that this dude **** the bed.

That's definitely a more direct way to put it.