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Yes they will open it up soon!!!!! according to the president of AOA....whom I spoke to about 3 weeks ago....the first class will probably be in 2009! The AOA president is trying to increase the awareness of DOs in the south!!!! since not too many people are familiar with DOs. Dr. Aljuni, AOA president, is also thinking about proposing a DO school in state of AL.....so that will be great as well! But having this DO school in MS will be great!!!
 
Hmm I think AL would be a good choice since DO is practically a unheard of thing here. I really never heard of DO's until college and I didn't know much until just this summer. I think having a DO school here would definitely increase people's awareness. But MS is pritty close so I bet that will make a difference.
 
the more the better, hopefully osteopathic programs will open in more state schools that have larger budgets, more research orientated and are more recognized
 
That's good news


I have been praying for this school for a while 👍
 
simpleman said:
Yes they will open it up soon!!!!! according to the president of AOA....whom I spoke to about 3 weeks ago....the first class will probably be in 2009! The AOA president is trying to increase the awareness of DOs in the south!!!! since not too many people are familiar with DOs. Dr. Aljuni, AOA president, is also thinking about proposing a DO school in state of AL.....so that will be great as well! But having this DO school in MS will be great!!!
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so cool!!! Do you know which campus it will be located at? Will they be accredited?
 
SEC country is really starting to create a big DO school presence. In the last few years, Georgia, Florida, and Tennessee have added DO schools. Now Mississippi and Alabama might soon.
 
It will be located it the main campus in Hattiesburg, MS. WCU is a regionally-accredited, Baptist affiliated university. The COM will be accredited through COCA.
 
I think this will be a great school, not only for its mission, but because southern Mississippi is an untapped medical paradise, Theres a 500 bed hospital down the street with no other school affliations, plus there is only one school in the state and it does most of its rotations in Jackson. Also there is a DO IM residency in the northeast part of the state.
 
I'm from Louisiana so it would be amazing if I didn't have to move up north to just to attend medical school. A new school in the South would be great! The link said 'WCU is seeking to open a college of osteopathic medicine to address the severe shortage of physicians in Mississippi and surrounding states". Does that mean that LA residents will have the same opportunity to attend as MS residents?
 
I was thinking of opening a DO school (why not?). Who do I talk to?
 
It would be great if another med school in MS could get off the ground. Is there any information concerning the financial resources this college might have to start a med school?

As many SDNers know Robert Morris U was going to start an osteopathic med school in Pittsburgh. RM got provisional approval from AOA and the state of Pennsylvania to start it but RM couldn't find the $100,000,000.00 required to capitalize it.


Anybody know any world class fund raisers?
 
They have the funding and should have a dean soon. Things should snowball from there. WCU is an established university with nursing school and college of arts/sciences in place. Facilities/physical plant in place and ready. It will be a matter of recruiting quality personnel and establishing clinical rotation sites. The Robert Morris issue was partly funding, but there was a change of mission from the university leadership.
 
This question may be a bit premature but I wonder what the class size will be?
 
DO Anes said:
They have the funding and should have a dean soon. Things should snowball from there. WCU is an established university with nursing school and college of arts/sciences in place. Facilities/physical plant in place and ready. It will be a matter of recruiting quality personnel and establishing clinical rotation sites. The Robert Morris issue was partly funding, but there was a change of mission from the university leadership.
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That is really good news.

It does not take a psychiatrist to see that many SDN posters are extremely nervous about a doctor glut. I think people who are concerned that a medical education will become valueless like a law degree from a fourth tier law school should read the work of Richard Cooper former dean at the Medical College of Wisconsin and now in a joint appointment at the University of Pennsylvania's Med School and UPenn's Wharton School of Finance. Dr. Cooper predicts a shortage of about 200,000 doctors in the USA by the year 2020. He has been right for about 20 years on the medical job market and I think he'll be right again because he bases his analysis on hard economic data rather than on procedures-per-person data.

In fact I think that the shortage will exceed 200,000 because I think we will see fewer foreign medical grads in the USA in the future because of the explosive growth in the middle classes of India and China. Foreign trained docs will not have the incentive to leave Asia for the USA, UK, Canada or Australia.

It should be noted that I have been wrong a few times in my life.
 
"It should be noted that I have been wrong a few times in my life."

But, you were only wrong when you thought you were wrong. You were actually right though. haha

Anyways, I think everyone knows there is going to be a shortage due to the baby boomers eventually retiring. I think people are concerned that quality will go down.
 
Jpc984 said:
"It should be noted that I have been wrong a few times in my life."

But, you were only wrong when you thought you were wrong. You were actually right though. haha

Anyways, I think everyone knows there is going to be a shortage due to the baby boomers eventually retiring. I think people are concerned that quality will go down.
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If you look at the statistics (SAT's & ACT's) of people entering college right now I don't think that the quality of applicants will decline for the foreseeable future. Colleges today are turning kids down who were shoo ins ten years ago. The Wall Street Journal is full of articles concerning the lack of college spaces for B students.

It may be true that the newer schools will be somewhat disorganized. That is a harder call.
 
Jpc984 said:
Anyways, I think everyone knows there is going to be a shortage due to the baby boomers eventually retiring.
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Yep, you're right on.

1. Considering there are some 80,000,000 baby boomers. We're talking millions and millions of 60+ added to the books every year. You must also consider that those babyboomer docs will be retiring too.

2.Combine this with FMG's own nations rapid development. We've all read about India's own silicon valley, China's rapid growth, etc. So that could mean less FMGs. Not to mention the immigration woes right now, more difficulty for FMGs to enter with current political climate.

3. If some form of national healthcare is implemented, then we're looking at some 40,000,000 new patients added to the books.
 
Obnoxious Dad said:
If you look at the statistics (SAT's & ACT's) of people entering college right now I don't think that the quality of applicants will decline for the foreseeable future.
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I think there is a natural tendency to assume that as quantity increases, quality decreases. Besides, don't think that this is about anything else than money.
 
Anybody know how many osteopathic schools are on the radar?

I read there are some 28? I don't believe that number, but I wonder how many schools have been planned to be built in the next 5 years?

Anyone?
 
I think the increase in DO schools is a great thing for the profession in general since it will ultimately increase the visibility of the profession and continue to lead it out of obscurity. Furthermore, DO's will be better represented in the healthcare system nationwide as the MD😀O ratio grows slimmer. One caveat however, with the increase in DO medical school seats there needs to be the same increase in post-graduate residency programs by the AOA and new schools!
 
A few schools are increasing class size so there will be an greater increase than one might think by adding a few new schools and the equivelant of a few new schools via more slots in existing schools.
 
The availability and quality of clinical training is a real concern, both at the undergraduate and GME levels. The AOA needs to seriously evaluate their criteria for osteopathic deans, DME's and program directors. Presently, they exclude ACGME/ABMS certified DO's, who, incidentally, make up the majority of our graduating students. There is a real danger of the DO degree becoming more of an ADM (associate degree in medicine) if we ignore the clinical component.
 
DO Anes said:
The availability and quality of clinical training is a real concern, both at the undergraduate and GME levels. The AOA needs to seriously evaluate their criteria for osteopathic deans, DME's and program directors. Presently, they exclude ACGME/ABMS certified DO's, who, incidentally, make up the majority of our graduating students. There is a real danger of the DO degree becoming more of an ADM (associate degree in medicine) if we ignore the clinical component.
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i don't see how the DO could ever become an "ADM", because we have the legal right to be fully-licensed physicians if we pass all of the necessary boards... Maybe I misunderstand your sentiment.

I agree with you other than the last line...
 
DO Anes said:
The availability and quality of clinical training is a real concern, both at the undergraduate and GME levels. The AOA needs to seriously evaluate their criteria for osteopathic deans, DME's and program directors. Presently, they exclude ACGME/ABMS certified DO's, who, incidentally, make up the majority of our graduating students. There is a real danger of the DO degree becoming more of an ADM (associate degree in medicine) if we ignore the clinical component.
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I agree with most of what you said here Dr, except for the ADM portion. I would assume that before anything like this would happen, the AOA would have to basically completely dissolve, all clinical sites associated with universities would have to reject DOs, and all MD residencies would no longer accept DO applicants. I think the degree has come too far to find it's end as an inflated masters degree. I completely agree that the AOA has some catching up to do ... as far as opening new schools without establishing clinical and residency positions ... but I feel that they will.
 
simpleman said:
Yes they will open it up soon!!!!! according to the president of AOA....whom I spoke to about 3 weeks ago....the first class will probably be in 2009! The AOA president is trying to increase the awareness of DOs in the south!!!! since not too many people are familiar with DOs. Dr. Aljuni, AOA president, is also thinking about proposing a DO school in state of AL.....so that will be great as well! But having this DO school in MS will be great!!!
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That would be nice. You don't see a lot of DOs in LA (can't speak for MS). It would be nice if UNO or one of the universities in Louisiana opened up a DO school as well.

Lord knows they need Docs there.
 
Old Grunt said:
That would be nice. You don't see a lot of DOs in LA (can't speak for MS). It would be nice if UNO or one of the universities in Louisiana opened up a DO school as well.

Lord knows they need Docs there.
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I agree! There are three medical schools in Louisiana and not one of them is a D.O. school, which is why there is so much ignorancy towards what a D.O. actually is in Louisiana. With an average GPA of 3.7 LSU is turning away highly qualified applicants each year. LSU is not going to add more seats, and even if they did few of the students would go into primary care and actually stay in the state, so whats the point anyway? I went to school with a few students that actually lost hope, in terms of getting into LSU, after they found out they weren't going to graduate with a 3.8-4.0 gpa. I actually feel really insecure with my 3.5. It's ridiculous! I'm not saying that D.O. should be used as a backup. I actually think the initials are irrelevant. In Louisiana there is a major shortage of primary care physicians. Since D.O. schools tend to mainly produce primary care docs, a D.O. program would do the state a lot of good.
 
simpleman said:
Yes they will open it up soon!!!!! according to the president of AOA....whom I spoke to about 3 weeks ago....the first class will probably be in 2009! The AOA president is trying to increase the awareness of DOs in the south!!!! since not too many people are familiar with DOs. Dr. Aljuni, AOA president, is also thinking about proposing a DO school in state of AL.....so that will be great as well! But having this DO school in MS will be great!!!
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Will they have the facilities ready for the beginning class in 2009? That's the class that I'm applying for and would love that! I spoke with one women at the school today and she said she didn't know all that much but that it would be a long time until it was up and running. Anybody know something for sure??????
 
clc8503 said:
I agree! There are three medical schools in Louisiana and not one of them is a D.O. school, which is why there is so much ignorancy towards what a D.O. actually is in Louisiana. With an average GPA of 3.7 LSU is turning away highly qualified applicants each year. LSU is not going to add more seats, and even if they did few of the students would go into primary care and actually stay in the state, so whats the point anyway? I went to school with a few students that actually lost hope, in terms of getting into LSU, after they found out they weren't going to graduate with a 3.8-4.0 gpa. I actually feel really insecure with my 3.5. It's ridiculous! I'm not saying that D.O. should be used as a backup. I actually think the initials are irrelevant. In Louisiana there is a major shortage of primary care physicians. Since D.O. schools tend to mainly produce primary care docs, a D.O. program would do the state a lot of good.
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Yup, I volunteered at Touro in NOLA and saw one D.O. my whole time there. That is highly anecdotal, but it seems the degree is under represented in LA.

Here is another irony. I lived in LA for almost a decade but maintained residency in another state. All I wanted to do was to go into primary care in LA, but LSU wouldn't even let me apply since I was OOS. It's ironic, I wonder how many people that go there will stay in LA?
 
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huckaaa said:
Will they have the facilities ready for the beginning class in 2009? That's the class that I'm applying for and would love that! I spoke with one women at the school today and she said she didn't know all that much but that it would be a long time until it was up and running. Anybody know something for sure??????
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They are in pre-accreditation and cannot solicit applicants. Their goal is to open in 2009. The facilities are in place. Dr. Rivero, in the Department of Psychology can answer general questions. Hopefully, a dean will be named soon and can address in more detail.
 
Old Grunt said:
Yup, I volunteered at Touro in NOLA and saw one D.O. my whole time there. That is highly anecdotal, but it seems the degree is under represented in LA.

Here is another irony. I lived in LA for almost a decade but maintained residency in another state. All I wanted to do was to go into primary care in LA, but LSU wouldn't even let me apply since I was OOS. It's ironic, I wonder how many people that go there will stay in LA?
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I'm sure one of the biggest premed lies comes out everytime they ask, "do you plan on staying in the state of LA after graduation?"

"Yes, absolutely and I plan on starting a chain of smartly-run rural clinics to help with the projected shortfall of healthcare...etc"

😀

Do you definitely plan on staying south?
 
MaximusD said:
I'm sure one of the biggest premed lies comes out everytime they ask, "do you plan on staying in the state of LA after graduation?"

"Yes, absolutely and I plan on starting a chain of smartly-run rural clinics to help with the projected shortfall of healthcare...etc"

😀

Do you definitely plan on staying south?
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While I can't speak for Old Grunt, I do know that I plan on staying in the South and practicing primary care. I've been here my entire life and I'd like to stay and practice Emergency Medicine, which is greatly needed and in recent years has become a popular choice for D.O.s. Not everyone who says they want to stay instate is lying, especially if your entire family and everything you’ve ever known is in that particular state or region.
 
megboo said:
My husband and I really want to go back to southern IL/SE MO. We love it there.
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Hey maybe you could be my grandma's doctor. 😀 She told one of her friends she hopes to live long enough to get free medical care. 😱
 
Nothing in life is free - we're paying for our defunct medicare we'll maybe get when we're 80 right now.

I dunno if I'll be a primary care doc per se, but who knows! We like the area you grew up in!
 
megboo said:
Nothing in life is free - we're paying for our defunct medicare we'll maybe get when we're 80 right now.

I dunno if I'll be a primary care doc per se, but who knows! We like the area you grew up in!
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She's assuming it will be free though if I were her doctor. 😉 It was a great place to grow up. I try to go back and visit when I can so I'm thinking eventually we'll get to meet. 🙂
 
Ok, back to the possible new school.

Does anybody know how to correctly update Wiki? If you go to Wiki and research "list of medical schools" at the bottom it has a list of schools being developed.

Also, I didn't see any more osteopathic schools under development yet I've heard of several.

thx
 
yea! The new school in MS has a dean! And they will "off the record" be taking students for a 2009 class! The only thing is they probably can't advertise or be on AACOMAS until next January, which will stink if you've already paid a deposit. On the other hand, if you have no acceptances at that point it'll be one last shot! Especially if you live in MS, AL or LA! I saw where TexTri said maybe Alabama was going to have a school. Is that just a thought or is an AL school already considering this? Both South Alabama and UAB already have MD schools. I wonder which school would open a DO school.
 
wow, this is cool. this school specifically has over 50 years history in university education so it nice to see that.

people have to realize that it is not this easy to open up a state DO school. there has to be alot momentum followed state legislatures approving funding plans.

I know they have been talking for years about opening a MD school in Austin but there is nothing to indicate it yet. I remember several legislature members talking about it. Plus, austin has number of good hospitals now (New dell children hospital). So, it takes time a long time with state programs.

With private college, one can bypass all this.

Another factor: when political people/general public talk about opening a med school, they instantly think of MD granting school. Hopefully in next 50 years, DO will have atleast 1 school in each state.
 
MaximusD said:
I'm sure one of the biggest premed lies comes out everytime they ask, "do you plan on staying in the state of LA after graduation?"

"Yes, absolutely and I plan on starting a chain of smartly-run rural clinics to help with the projected shortfall of healthcare...etc"

😀

Do you definitely plan on staying south?
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Not now. I got into an allo program in the midwest, so that is where I will stay.
 
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