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Can you list pros and cons of being in private practice vs being hospital employed? I am currently in private practice, and find myself contemplating working for a hospital system in the future, however these jobs are hard to come by. I tried to reach out to a few hospitals in the past, but they weren't hiring Podiatrists in my area. Just wanted to know everyone's thoughts on pros/cons of both. Also, for the people who are hospital employed, how did you get your position?

Is it possible to do both? Say for instance, you are limited with days you can work at your private practice. Does anyone here do PP 3 days a week, and part-time hospital employment for the other 2 days, or vice versa?

Any advice/tips would be appreciated. Thanks.

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All the cons of working as an associate in a PP have already been discussed in various forums and that horse have been beaten to death multiple times. The only pros to working in PP as an associate is to learn a few things on coding & billing etc and then going solo.

I must add, any associate right now should be looking for a job at a hospital or MSG everyday. Or as an associate, plan to open your practice sooner rather than later. There is literally zero benefit in being an associate at a PP for another pod for more than 2 years, 3 years max. Even if you are promised a buy-in or whatever in the future, you are better off owning your practice 100% and having your destiny in your own hands.
 
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Hospital/MSG perks vary

Some possible pro:
-Steady referrals
-Readily available specialist assistance (vascular/ID/oncology)
-competitive pay
-Paid time off
-Paid CME days
-Often given stipend for society dues, cme, etc
-Competitive health insurance prices
-Paid malpractice
-Dedicated office, billing, and business staff

Possible cons:
- less upside on pay (they have to cover all the overhead and carve out a profit)
- possible strife with other overlapping services
-less flexibility in schedule and staff (often set hours and OR time with assigned staff)
-forced outreach to benefit of facilities more than provider

This is just some basic things to consider.
 
Hospital/MSG perks vary

Some possible pro:
-Steady referrals
-Readily available specialist assistance (vascular/ID/oncology)
-competitive pay
-Paid time off
-Paid CME days
-Often given stipend for society dues, cme, etc
-Competitive health insurance prices
-Paid malpractice
-Dedicated office, billing, and business staff

Possible cons:
- less upside on pay (they have to cover all the overhead and carve out a profit)
- possible strife with other overlapping services
-less flexibility in schedule and staff (often set hours and OR time with assigned staff)
-forced outreach to benefit of facilities more than provider

This is just some basic things to consider.
I might add the con to this that, especially at a hospital, you are an employee. You are disposable. At the end of the day, when you work for a corporate entity, you are a measure of production and not a human being. Not productive enough? Cut. Too productive and making too much? Cut. I've worked a corporate job before I went to podiatry school and saw how disposable people can be. As a resident, I've seen it in the hospital setting too. Putting all your eggs in the corporate basket can be risky if you have no back-up plan.
 
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Private practice theoretically offers freedom except it comes at a terrible price. A total commitment to potentially a depreciating asset.

-The same service offered in a hospital outpatient office pays the hospital better.

-The hospital vertically integrates everything and their facility side is better than your professional side.

-Insurance is your enemy. When I started I thought - man, these hospital employed doctors are idiots with their RVUs. I'll cherry pick better insurance and make more money. Wrong. Unless furiously negotiated and battled commercial insurance is often worse than Medicare. Non-BCBS plans in my area are racing to $50 for a 99213. This year insurance plans cut reimbursement for services in amounts so large that if I dropped that amount of money from my wallet I'd be angry at myself for the rest of the day. And then you see patient after patient - cut, cut, cut.

-Economy of scale allows hospitals to offer better benefits. Theoretically it should be much easier to set-up a good 401k than in the past, but health insurance is exploding. The hospital can literally create their own insurance plan and send their own employees to their own doctors.

-Most of what we write about PP is from the lens of being an associate. However, your PP is a perpetual motion machine requiring your continued attention and focus and work. Its perhaps wonderful but also terrible.

-This year my EHR will be paid more money than my office manager.

-Not kidding - 3 people my practice has hired have done drugs on the job.

-It snows 5 days a year in my town. I went in early and salted this past year. A patient still slipped on ice directly in front of the office.

-A patient was arrested in my office and you betcha - left us a 1 star review.

Anyway! Just some fun thoughts.
 
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Private practice theoretically offers freedom except it comes at a terrible price. A total commitment to potentially a depreciating asset.

-The same service offered in a hospital outpatient office pays the hospital better.

-The hospital vertically integrates everything and their facility side is better than your professional side.

-Insurance is your enemy. When I started I thought - man, these hospital employed doctors are idiots with their RVUs. I'll cherry pick better insurance and make more money. Wrong. Unless furiously negotiated and battled commercial insurance is often worse than Medicare. Non-BCBS plans in my area are racing to $50 for a 99213. This year insurance plans cut reimbursement for services in amounts so large that if I dropped that amount of money from my wallet I'd be angry at myself for the rest of the day. And then you see patient after patient - cut, cut, cut.

-Economy of scale allows hospitals to offer better benefits. Theoretically it should be much easier to set-up a good 401k than in the past, but health insurance is exploding. The hospital can literally create their own insurance plan and send their own employees to their own doctors.

-Most of what we write about PP is from the lens of being an associate. However, your PP is a perpetual motion machine requiring your continued attention and focus and work. Its perhaps wonderful but also terrible.

-This year my EHR will be paid more money than my office manager.

-Not kidding - 3 people my practice has hired have done drugs on the job.

-It snows 5 days a year in my town. I went in early and salted this past year. A patient still slipped on ice directly in front of the office.

-A patient was arrested in my office and you betcha - left us a 1 star review.

Anyway! Just some fun thoughts.
Thissssss! Accurate.
 
I might add the con to this that, especially at a hospital, you are an employee. You are disposable. At the end of the day, when you work for a corporate entity, you are a measure of production and not a human being. Not productive enough? Cut. Too productive and making too much? Cut. I've worked a corporate job before I went to podiatry school and saw how disposable people can be. As a resident, I've seen it in the hospital setting too. Putting all your eggs in the corporate basket can be risky if you have no back-up plan.
Yes I know a lot of physicians who feel "disposable" due to Employee status. It's scary not to have a back-up plan.
 
Depending on the location and Hospital/MSG compensation model, the income thing is a wash IMO. Though in most cases private practice should have a higher ceiling. With overhead increases and insurance reimbursement decreases in many places, I think that ceiling is lowering. But the real money in medicine comes from ownership and not the billing of office visits and procedure codes. Owning your real estate, having a stake in a well run surgery center, imaging center, owning/managing a large practice or multiple clinics, ownership in a wound care center, etc. I would be surprised if someone in private practice made significantly more money than me off of E/M, CPT codes, DME, and self pay items alone. It’s not uncommon or unreasonable for a busy employed doc to make $400k. You’d need $1-1.2 million in collections in private practice to bring that in, assuming overhead is 60% which isn’t unreasonable for a practice that generates that much revenue. It takes a lot of patients to generate over a million dollars in collections. It costs money to make money.

Because of all that, I think it boils down to wether or not you have any interest in running your own business and being your own boss. If you want that level of control over who you work with, what equipment/supplies you can use, what services/therapies you can offer, what your schedule looks like, etc. then you’ll probably enjoy private practice more. If you want to show up and not worry about all of the management issues that come with running a medical practice, then I would be looking for an employed position.
 
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Depending on the location and Hospital/MSG compensation model, the income thing is a wash IMO. Though in most cases private practice should have a higher ceiling. With overhead increases and insurance reimbursement decreases in many places, I think that ceiling is lowering. But the real money in medicine comes from ownership and not the billing of office visits and procedure codes. Owning your real estate, having a stake in a well run surgery center, imaging center, owning/managing a large practice or multiple clinics, ownership in a wound care center, etc. I would be surprised if someone in private practice made significantly more money than me off of E/M, CPT codes, DME, and self pay items alone. It’s not uncommon or unreasonable for a busy employed doc to make $400k. You’d need $1-1.2 million in collections in private practice to bring that in, assuming overhead is 60% which isn’t unreasonable for a practice that generates that much revenue. It takes a lot of patients to generate over a million dollars in collections. It costs money to make money.

Because of all that, I think it boils down to wether or not you have any interest in running your own business and being your own boss. If you want that level of control over who you work with, what equipment/supplies you can use, what services/therapies you can offer, what your schedule looks like, etc. then you’ll probably enjoy private practice more. If you want to show up and not worry about all of the management issues that come with running a medical practice, then I would be looking for an employed position.
So true well said! The only problem is that the prices I have been quoted to own a stake in surgery centers etc is so ungodly high in some areas. Some upwards of $700-$800k. Crazy.
 
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I think it boils down to wether or not you have any interest in running your own business and being your own boss.
This. I have been in practice for 6 years, 2 in private practice and 4 employed for a hospital. When I decided it was time to leave my previous hospital-employed position, I only looked for hospital/MSG positions. Even if you told me I’d make more money as a practice owner, I have no interest in running a business. I’d rather show up, leave the business side to someone else who wants to do it, and just focus on doing what I do best - treating patients. I had some offers from friends to come work as partners/owners in private practice but honestly, I’m not sure they could pay me enough to make me consider going back in to private practice.
 
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Depending on the location and Hospital/MSG compensation model, the income thing is a wash IMO. Though in most cases private practice should have a higher ceiling. With overhead increases and insurance reimbursement decreases in many places, I think that ceiling is lowering. But the real money in medicine comes from ownership and not the billing of office visits and procedure codes. Owning your real estate, having a stake in a well run surgery center, imaging center, owning/managing a large practice or multiple clinics, ownership in a wound care center, etc. I would be surprised if someone in private practice made significantly more money than me off of E/M, CPT codes, DME, and self pay items alone. It’s not uncommon or unreasonable for a busy employed doc to make $400k. You’d need $1-1.2 million in collections in private practice to bring that in, assuming overhead is 60% which isn’t unreasonable for a practice that generates that much revenue. It takes a lot of patients to generate over a million dollars in collections. It costs money to make money.

Because of all that, I think it boils down to wether or not you have any interest in running your own business and being your own boss. If you want that level of control over who you work with, what equipment/supplies you can use, what services/therapies you can offer, what your schedule looks like, etc. then you’ll probably enjoy private practice more. If you want to show up and not worry about all of the management issues that come with running a medical practice, then I would be looking for an employed position.

Here's a standpoint from a partner in an MSG. I would be surprised if a solo PP could generate more revenue (having associate slave labor is a different story). Here are some reasons why without giving out any specific numbers

- E/M, CPT codes. I'm with a large group that doesn't allow insurances to jerk them around. All of the commercial plans reimburse at least 100% of medicare rates. I've not seen contracts like this from a PP group, even the huge associate mills.
- Revenue generated from X-ray, CT, MR, US, Lab, Physical Therapy
- Revenue generated from being a shareholder at the group's surgery center where I do a majority of my cases
- Revenue generated from being a shareholder at the group's wound center that I go to once per week
- Medicaid patients? No problem, I see them once per month at one of our Rural Health Clinic designated facilities where reimbursement is about the same as commercially insured patients
- AR and net collections rate is fantastic. A patient doesn't want to pay the bill for their office visit with me? No problem, can't schedule with any of the PCPs or specialists in the group until that's resolved

I could not imagine going back to PP. Having to deal with running a business from the ground up, peddling cash products, and getting hosed by commercial insurances... oof
 
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Here's a standpoint from a partner in an MSG. I would be surprised if a solo PP could generate more revenue (having associate slave labor is a different story). Here are some reasons why without giving out any specific numbers

- E/M, CPT codes. I'm with a large group that doesn't allow insurances to jerk them around. All of the commercial plans reimburse at least 100% of medicare rates. I've not seen contracts like this from a PP group, even the huge associate mills.
- Revenue generated from X-ray, CT, MR, US, Lab, Physical Therapy
- Revenue generated from being a shareholder at the group's surgery center where I do a majority of my cases
- Revenue generated from being a shareholder at the group's wound center that I go to once per week
- Medicaid patients? No problem, I see them once per month at one of our Rural Health Clinic designated facilities where reimbursement is about the same as commercially insured patients
- AR and net collections rate is fantastic. A patient doesn't want to pay the bill for their office visit with me? No problem, can't schedule with any of the PCPs or specialists in the group until that's resolved

I could not imagine going back to PP. Having to deal with running a business from the ground up, peddling cash products, and getting hosed by commercial insurances... oof
That’s amazing. How did you find your position at the MSG group?

Same for those who are hospital-employed? I saw @air bud post about how to ask for part time hospital position’s from a few months ago (very helpful). But so many people keep saying they don’t need a Podiatrist right now in the hospital. That there’s “not enough of a need.” It’s disappointing to say the least.
 
That’s amazing. How did you find your position at the MSG group?

Same for those who are hospital-employed? I saw @air bud post about how to ask for part time hospital position’s from a few months ago (very helpful). But so many people keep saying they don’t need a Podiatrist right now in the hospital. That there’s “not enough of a need.” It’s disappointing to say the least.

Rural is the way to go if you are looking for a hospital gig. A lot of places will entertain the idea of a part time podiatrist and once they see the increase in facility fees, imaging utilization, OR utilization, etc they will be asking for more of a presence.
 
Oh there is a need. I just recently switched to fulltime with Ortho, leaving my hospital gig. My hospital told me if I didn't come back to do outreach there they would hire someone just for their 8k people county. 8k people. I was making them enough money...crazy. I guess 1200 RVUs generated a year is enough...

But I love Private practice now. I am employed by Ortho, not a partner now. But I get 100 percent of collections less 3 percent supplies and 6 percent billing. And set overhead. Don't miss working for a gigantic corporation like before. I love my freedom. But I have a good setup that is not common. These Ortho dudes have killer contracts. Got paid like 8k on a BCBS retro/Achilles repair. Maybe there were a few more codes on there.....
 
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But I love Private practice now. I am employed by Ortho, not a partner now. But I get 100 percent of collections less 3 percent supplies and 6 percent billing. And set overhead. Don't miss working for a gigantic corporation like before. I love my freedom. But I have a good setup that is not common. These Ortho dudes have killer contracts. Got paid like 8k on a BCBS retro/Achilles repair. Maybe there were a few more codes on there.....
8k for 45-60min work??
Im going private. This RVU business is no longer for me.
 
Oh there is a need. I just recently switched to fulltime with Ortho, leaving my hospital gig. My hospital told me if I didn't come back to do outreach there they would hire someone just for their 8k people county. 8k people. I was making them enough money...crazy. I guess 1200 RVUs generated a year is enough...

But I love Private practice now. I am employed by Ortho, not a partner now. But I get 100 percent of collections less 3 percent supplies and 6 percent billing. And set overhead. Don't miss working for a gigantic corporation like before. I love my freedom. But I have a good setup that is not common. These Ortho dudes have killer contracts. Got paid like 8k on a BCBS retro/Achilles repair. Maybe there were a few more codes on there.....

Jeez. Either the reimbursement per procedure is enormous or you all aren't subject to the 50% off on second procedure.

The things that's funny to me about the idea of ownership and management is - its just so much more than you think it is.

Staff management - 9 employees have left since I started that I can remember. 3 did drugs on the job. One was a great employee who got run off by how she was treated. One was hired for a senior position and left at lunch on day 3 and didn't come back. One fell asleep on the job. One probably had a seamless sexual harrassment case against the practice. One was insane and didn't want to work. Another was worthless but no one seemed to realize it - everytime I walked in to talk to her she was playing a video game and minimized the screen. Another added every single patient as a new patient - post-ops, follow-ups, etc. They need to be taught. They need to understand the system. They ideally should develop clinical judgement. They need to put forward the practice and display competence. They need to make your life easier.

Reputation management - It constitutes every part of how you present yourself and your practice to patients, your local referrals and interactions, your facebook/reviews/etc. Here's a fun one. You spray for bugs. I walked through the front entrance of the practice and found literally a pile of dead roaches that patients had been walking over. I can't remember if I've told this story before, but my office had up old APMA materials that went to a now defunct website that had been take over by a hacker/someone nefarious and it redirected to an unsafe site. Fun/weird/different thing - the simple truth is a lot of blue collar folks have really nice insurance. I sometimes wonder about the sorority girls here for a nail procedure and the electricians with Charcot mingling in the waiting room. I believe I shared this one before but a very nice young woman told me she thought one of my other patients might be dying / smelled like death. She was right. He had nec fasc.

Contract management - SubMedicare rates. Regular denials of covered service (Humana). Insurance plans saying no prior authorization is required and then not paying the surgery (United). A lapidus forefoot slam being denied because you billed 99232 on 2 toes - so they pay none of it (Medicare/Novitas). 50% payment 2nd procedure, 25% payment 3rd procedure (Aetna). Insurance plans that want to reimburse you a multiplier ie. 60% of your fee schedule so you theoretically have to bump your schedule to get paid fairly, but you are trying to have straight forward fair cash pricing schedule. No one wants to pay for custom orthotics anymore - haha, jk, that's not a real problem.

The heart of contract stuff to me though is... there's still money that can be made in clinic even with cuts through the most classic form of suffering. See more patients for less $ per patient. But surgery is cruising towards being untenable for many plans. A major commercial insurer now pays $440 for an Austin. The only world where you can take $440 for an Austin is one where you bill for follow-up visits. I suppose you could try bringing the Austin into your office as a surgery suite set-up, but how much are you going to spend buying equipment. Will you buy fluoro / handsets / sterile setups.

Liability. Old man falls down in parking lot and ambulance has to come get him. Someone in your practice creeps on pretty young lady and then fires her when she declines. A tree on your property cracks a sidewalk - insurance company wants you to repair it. An old lady jumps out of a chair and gets a calcaneal fracture. Is your coding kosher? Does your partner never document dimensions of ulcer debridements...

Random stuff. Supplies. Everything is on back order, still. Medical grade equipment is overpriced. The hospital is hiring a podiatrist because the foot and ankle orthopedist is often disliked by patients. Office cleaning is becoming ridiculously expensive. So you clean it yourself and the water is -black- leading you to believe the cleaners were not actually cleaning. OTC orthotics keep disappearing. Many patients still ultimately just view podiatrists as people who trim nails and calluses. MIPS. Hackers.
 
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Both can be good or bad. PP comes down to saturation/competition, and hospital comes down to your boss.

PP with bad insurances = tough
PP with much competition nearby in terms of DPMs or F&A orthos = tough
PP if you have bad sales/people skill = tough
PP with good payers and little competition = good life and retire early (or get crazy rich... or work part time for full-time $$$)

Hospital with bad boss = very tough
Hospital call = fair to bad typically (vs PP)
Hospital benefits = good to great
Hospital limited pay ceiling due to many ppl who would work for less = not ideal
Hospital/MSG with good boss and fair call = pretty good gig, at least until you pay your loans and get ABFAS board cert and save up awhile

Both tend to be better rural, with good payers, and with fewer competition around. It really helps to research the area (esp for PP), and you should aim for ratio of 1 full-time podiatrist per 20k population or higher (ideally one DPM per 25k-30k+). You can count any active F&A ortho as two podiatrists if you like to do surgery... or disregard them if you like to do basic wounds or C&C stuff.

The hospital job is all about the boss and their level of competence. They will make you or break you (much like the payers/saturation do for PP). They will have your back or view you as not worth their time. Whether that boss is Chief of Pod/Surg/etc or some MBA or HR person, that boss person or their minions will be deciding your hours, your call, your supplies, your staffing, your privileging, etc. That stuff is fast and easy to fix in PP ownership, but in hospital employ, it is largely out of your control - yet it makes or breaks you. It is easy to feel overwhelmed when someone else dictates your schedule and your resources, and that is why even good-pay hospital "dream" jobs are often vacant: the boss is incompetent or hard to deal with. That overwhelmed or understaffed or under-supplied feeling is also why many people whine so much about associate PP jobs... you potentially have a tough boss (and you're not even getting the pay/benefits you would from hospital employ).

In the end, view anything you have as a learning experience. "Work to learn. Don't work for money." You will figure out what's important to you and where you enjoy life the most.
 
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Jeez. Either the reimbursement per procedure is enormous or you all aren't subject to the 50% off on second procedure.

The things that's funny to me about the idea of ownership and management is - its just so much more than you think it is.

Staff management - 9 employees have left since I started that I can remember. 3 did drugs on the job. One was a great employee who got run off by how she was treated. One was hired for a senior position and left at lunch on day 3 and didn't come back. One fell asleep on the job. One probably had a seamless sexual harrassment case against the practice. One was insane and didn't want to work. Another was worthless but no one seemed to realize it - everytime I walked in to talk to her she was playing a video game and minimized the screen. Another added every single patient as a new patient - post-ops, follow-ups, etc. They need to be taught. They need to understand the system. They ideally should develop clinical judgement. They need to put forward the practice and display competence. They need to make your life easier.

Reputation management - It constitutes every part of how you present yourself and your practice to patients, your local referrals and interactions, your facebook/reviews/etc. Here's a fun one. You spray for bugs. I walked through the front entrance of the practice and found literally a pile of dead roaches that patients had been walking over. I can't remember if I've told this story before, but my office had up old APMA materials that went to a now defunct website that had been take over by a hacker/someone nefarious and it redirected to an unsafe site. Fun/weird/different thing - the simple truth is a lot of blue collar folks have really nice insurance. I sometimes wonder about the sorority girls here for a nail procedure and the electricians with Charcot mingling in the waiting room. I believe I shared this one before but a very nice young woman told me she thought one of my other patients might be dying / smelled like death. She was right. He had nec fasc.

Contract management - SubMedicare rates. Regular denials of covered service (Humana). Insurance plans saying no prior authorization is required and then not paying the surgery (United). A lapidus forefoot slam being denied because you billed 99232 on 2 toes - so they pay none of it (Medicare/Novitas). 50% payment 2nd procedure, 25% payment 3rd procedure (Aetna). Insurance plans that want to reimburse you a multiplier ie. 60% of your fee schedule so you theoretically have to bump your schedule to get paid fairly, but you are trying to have straight forward fair cash pricing schedule. No one wants to pay for custom orthotics anymore - haha, jk, that's not a real problem.

The heart of contract stuff to me though is... there's still money that can be made in clinic even with cuts through the most classic form of suffering. See more patients for less $ per patient. But surgery is cruising towards being untenable for many plans. A major commercial insurer now pays $440 for an Austin. The only world where you can take $440 for an Austin is one where you bill for follow-up visits. I suppose you could try bringing the Austin into your office as a surgery suite set-up, but how much are you going to spend buying equipment. Will you buy fluoro / handsets / sterile setups.

Liability. Old man falls down in parking lot and ambulance has to come get him. Someone in your practice creeps on pretty young lady and then fires her when she declines. A tree on your property cracks a sidewalk - insurance company wants you to repair it. An old lady jumps out of a chair and gets a calcaneal fracture. Is your coding kosher? Does your partner never document dimensions of ulcer debridements...

Random stuff. Supplies. Everything is on back order, still. Medical grade equipment is overpriced. The hospital is hiring a podiatrist because the foot and ankle orthopedist is often disliked by patients. Office cleaning is becoming ridiculously expensive. So you clean it yourself and the water is -black- leading you to believe the cleaners were not actually cleaning. OTC orthotics keep disappearing. Many patients still ultimately just view podiatrists as people who trim nails and calluses. MIPS. Hackers.
jesus dude. you need to go MSG/hosp. You done have the luck.
 
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Here's a standpoint from a partner in an MSG.
this is where we start getting into the weeds a bit in terms of job type. I’ve been using hospital/msg as a catch all for “employed” positions. But certainly Physician owned MSG is different (and in most cases superior if you ask me) since it allows for the doctor to experience benefits of both “employed” and “private practice” job types. You get the better contracts/fee schedules, higher base or guaranteed pay in line with other MD/DO specialists, still can have ownership in group owned facilities as well as group profits, DME makes you money and is counted towards your collections, you can still have a management level that takes care of all of the scheduling and staffing (ie you just show up and work), etc. I’ve also been using private practice to mean solo or small podiatry group, FWIW

You could break it down even further adding VA/IHS and Ortho group, since they really are distinctly different (or can be) than the 3 other types of practices mentioned above. I’m currently hospital employed and either Physician owned MSG or medium to large private ortho group would be my ideal employment opportunity.

Staff management - 9 employees have left since I started that I can remember.

This can be an even bigger issue in employed positions. Our group has a couple of clinics that are having regular staffing problems. Seems to be a result of a bad practice manager running them off. Doctors complain about it every day. They’ll show up and just have no MA because they quit and just stopped coming to work and couldn’t be replaced for a period of time. And they have no power to get a new practice manager. I wouldn’t be shocked if we lose a physician over it, and we’re rural so good luck finding a replacement any time soon. Theyll have to use locums for awhile. Any ways, you can have bad staff anywhere, but having control over who gets hired/fired is probably a plus more often than not. Unless you’re a terrible judge of character, then it could suck
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The hospital job is all about the boss and their level of competence.
I mentioned it above but if the boss is 1(a) then the practice manager is 1(b). That’s who is in charge of your schedule, ordering your supplies/equipment, hiring staff and making sure there is coverage when staff is out. A bad practice manager can pretty much ruin a clinic.
 
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Private practice theoretically offers freedom except it comes at a terrible price. A total commitment to potentially a depreciating asset.

-The same service offered in a hospital outpatient office pays the hospital better.

-The hospital vertically integrates everything and their facility side is better than your professional side.

-Insurance is your enemy. When I started I thought - man, these hospital employed doctors are idiots with their RVUs. I'll cherry pick better insurance and make more money. Wrong. Unless furiously negotiated and battled commercial insurance is often worse than Medicare. Non-BCBS plans in my area are racing to $50 for a 99213. This year insurance plans cut reimbursement for services in amounts so large that if I dropped that amount of money from my wallet I'd be angry at myself for the rest of the day. And then you see patient after patient - cut, cut, cut.

-Economy of scale allows hospitals to offer better benefits. Theoretically it should be much easier to set-up a good 401k than in the past, but health insurance is exploding. The hospital can literally create their own insurance plan and send their own employees to their own doctors.

-Most of what we write about PP is from the lens of being an associate. However, your PP is a perpetual motion machine requiring your continued attention and focus and work. Its perhaps wonderful but also terrible.

-This year my EHR will be paid more money than my office manager.

-Not kidding - 3 people my practice has hired have done drugs on the job.

-It snows 5 days a year in my town. I went in early and salted this past year. A patient still slipped on ice directly in front of the office.

-A patient was arrested in my office and you betcha - left us a 1 star review.

Anyway! Just some fun thoughts.

Private practice theoretically offers freedom except it comes at a terrible price. A total commitment to potentially a depreciating asset.

-The same service offered in a hospital outpatient office pays the hospital better.

-The hospital vertically integrates everything and their facility side is better than your professional side.

-Insurance is your enemy. When I started I thought - man, these hospital employed doctors are idiots with their RVUs. I'll cherry pick better insurance and make more money. Wrong. Unless furiously negotiated and battled commercial insurance is often worse than Medicare. Non-BCBS plans in my area are racing to $50 for a 99213. This year insurance plans cut reimbursement for services in amounts so large that if I dropped that amount of money from my wallet I'd be angry at myself for the rest of the day. And then you see patient after patient - cut, cut, cut.

-Economy of scale allows hospitals to offer better benefits. Theoretically it should be much easier to set-up a good 401k than in the past, but health insurance is exploding. The hospital can literally create their own insurance plan and send their own employees to their own doctors.

-Most of what we write about PP is from the lens of being an associate. However, your PP is a perpetual motion machine requiring your continued attention and focus and work. Its perhaps wonderful but also terrible.

-This year my EHR will be paid more money than my office manager.

-Not kidding - 3 people my practice has hired have done drugs on the job.

-It snows 5 days a year in my town. I went in early and salted this past year. A patient still slipped on ice directly in front of the office.

-A patient was arrested in my office and you betcha - left us a 1 star review.

Anyway! Just some fun thoughts.
You don't happen to work in NYC Metro area do you? Your contracts sound like mine prior to joining an IPA.

I've always heard things like "Private insurance pays better than Medicare" but I frankly haven't seen that in PP without joining some type of IPA. Perhaps this only applies the MD/DOs.

Almost all of my contracts pay a % based on the Medicare schedule so I saw an increase in most of the codes I use.
 
You don't happen to work in NYC Metro area do you? Your contracts sound like mine prior to joining an IPA.

I've always heard things like "Private insurance pays better than Medicare" but I frankly haven't seen that in PP without joining some type of IPA. Perhaps this only applies the MD/DOs.

Almost all of my contracts pay a % based on the Medicare schedule so I saw an increase in most of the codes I use.
I'm in Texas. Its interesting - I've been asking my OM to show me more of our contracts. We've had no contact with BCBS for example so its unclear to me why most BCBS plans increased at what I would call "inflation level" ie. $3+ while the HMO plan decreased substantially. A friend of mine who is in a statewide IPA dropped BCBS HMO recently which makes me think they saw the fee schedule drop as crossing a line. The United plan was signed months into this year but locked us to 2020 Medicare for like 3 years. I guarantee no one but me read the contract and I only read it after it was signed.

Amusingly, I had a series of negative emails with Humana last year and this year they are paying me, but not my partner, at 100% of Medicare verse 65/75% last year.
 
I'm in Texas. Its interesting - I've been asking my OM to show me more of our contracts. We've had no contact with BCBS for example so its unclear to me why most BCBS plans increased at what I would call "inflation level" ie. $3+ while the HMO plan decreased substantially. A friend of mine who is in a statewide IPA dropped BCBS HMO recently which makes me think they saw the fee schedule drop as crossing a line. The United plan was signed months into this year but locked us to 2020 Medicare for like 3 years. I guarantee no one but me read the contract and I only read it after it was signed.

Amusingly, I had a series of negative emails with Humana last year and this year they are paying me, but not my partner, at 100% of Medicare verse 65/75% last year.
That's interesting with Humana. Humana's standard contract up here pays 100% of Medicare. My IPA contract with Humana pays 104%. BCBS HMO plans increased their fee schedule as well this year.

My biggest difficulty has always been with Aetna. They're fee schedule hasn't been updated since like 2013 when they decreased their fees across the board. I tried to renegotiate with Aetna but they didn't budge, so i dropped them and bill them out of network. 95% of my Aetna patient's are Aetna Medicare Advantage and they all have out of network benefits for at most a $10 difference in co-pay (the vast majority is no difference). So now they pay me 100% medicare, which is about a 50% increase from their base contract. I offered to accept 80% of medicare. Oh well...


Another interesting part of my Aetna saga was that when I first dropped out of their network they refused to pay me out of network rates because the billing NPI was associated with another provider who was part of their network and their contracts stated that if one provider associated with an NPI was in network, all providers associated with that NPI were in network. I told them that's a load of crap (in so many words). A week later my claims started being paid at the out of network rate.
 
So what everyone is saying is that I should work my ass off and try my damn hardest to get a sweet DVA gig after this nightmare of schooling / training is over? Lol. Cause after reading everything, it's starting to seem like VA might be a solid options, haha.
 
That's interesting with Humana. Humana's standard contract up here pays 100% of Medicare. My IPA contract with Humana pays 104%. BCBS HMO plans increased their fee schedule as well this year.

My biggest difficulty has always been with Aetna. They're fee schedule hasn't been updated since like 2013 when they decreased their fees across the board. I tried to renegotiate with Aetna but they didn't budge, so i dropped them and bill them out of network. 95% of my Aetna patient's are Aetna Medicare Advantage and they all have out of network benefits for at most a $10 difference in co-pay (the vast majority is no difference). So now they pay me 100% medicare, which is about a 50% increase from their base contract. I offered to accept 80% of medicare. Oh well...


Another interesting part of my Aetna saga was that when I first dropped out of their network they refused to pay me out of network rates because the billing NPI was associated with another provider who was part of their network and their contracts stated that if one provider associated with an NPI was in network, all providers associated with that NPI were in network. I told them that's a load of crap (in so many words). A week later my claims started being paid at the out of network rate.
I'm glad you caught it. The recent United contract we signed has a substantial amount of language that as far as I could tell suggested that the contract continues to follow everyone even if they go elsewhere. Now I suppose you could view this as a convenience ie. you are theoretically already credentialed/contracted with United, but in my case the contract I'd be somehow stuck in would keep me working for free.
 
So what everyone is saying is that I should work my ass off and try my damn hardest to get a sweet DVA gig after this nightmare of schooling / training is over? Lol. Cause after reading everything, it's starting to seem like VA might be a solid options, haha.
Havn't heard of a lot of VAs in desirable places hiring...
 
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