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I'm a 4th year med student waiting to match. My 10 year old Jeep Cherokee with 100k miles is giving me more and more trouble by the month and I'm looking for a similar style SUV to replace it. I'm torn between going big and getting something like a hybrid or nicer used car and staying small and getting a cheaper SUV.

I'm a bit wary about purchasing a car MS4, but I figure I should have an intern salary before too long. I have enough banked that payments between now and then wont be an issue.

Questions for you guys:
Is it stupid to buy a car before starting intern year? Should I just drive it into the ground and then worry about a replacement? Anyone have recommendations for a good replacement for my jeep?

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Get that **** lined up before residency. You won't have time to be jacking around with repairs post-call. If your financials are prepared, just get a newer car. Used, but reliable. Wait until Match Day- you'll know then what you need to prepare for.
 
as long as it's not a money pit i say drive it into the ground. that's what I am doing. I have enough saved up to buy a new car if I want to but mine still works so i plan on driving it till it dies.

Also you should wait to see where you end up matching, what if you match in NYC or another major city where having a car is more of a hastle than not.
 
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as long as it's not a money pit i say drive it into the ground. that's what I am doing. I have enough saved up to buy a new car if I want to but mine still works so i plan on driving it till it dies.

Also you should wait to see where you end up matching, what if you match in NYC or another major city where having a car is more of a hastle than not.

I didn't apply anywhere where I won't need a car for transportation (no NYC, Chicago or the like)...

I appreciate the input. I'm not sure how much match day will change the outcome. I feel like I'd like some sort of SUV no matter where I wind up, but I guess cost of living will be a decent variable and the degree of snow could be high or low so perhaps I could be persuaded to get something different if I wind up somewhere that gets little to no snow.

I'm tossing around the idea as it is getting to the verge of becoming a "money pit". Hopefully, I can get past this current crisis and make it to match day without my hand being forced.
 
I say take the Obama approach to our economy and drive it into the ground... unless it's become an incredible constant headache, then Bertelman is right.

New cars are probably the biggest waste of money for most Americans trying to make ends meet. Your vehicle is at that prime state where it's worth almost nothing but does the job. Ideally you should be looking to own a car like the one you have, not unloading it; unless again it's become a broken down money pit.
 
I'm in the same boat as you (MS4), and I say drive that baby into the ground. I have a '95 Nissan Maxima with 180K miles, and I'm praying it will last me through residency. It might be an issue though if I end up in a cold-weather climate. If it lasts, I figure I can buy something sick when residency is over.
 
Hi Depakote,

Been following you on the med boards for a while. I'm also shopping for an SUV. It's not as easy as I'd like, mostly because I'm really tall here's what happens:

a) if you don't want an Escalade or Denali, ($$$or the like $$$), legroom can be an issue, (read: ginormous SUVs are good fosurer legroom, short of that, I'm not impressed)

b) because, they've added this thing since the days of the 1991 Grand Cherokee when I was in HS. It's called a 3rd row. I'm not what it's for, or the concept behind it, but all I can see is that it serves is to push up row two somewhere near my rectum. :eek: It's annoying. And thus, pushes row one somewhere closer to the pedals. Either is not a good idea as I want leg room, and want my 95% height young boys to have legroom for the next 5-7 years. I'm tired of asking the little guy to sit behind me. My father's 300C SRT has tons of legroom, can't I find that in an SUV for less than 45K? Not so easy...

What this means to you, who may not be 6'4'', is that I've sat in A LOT of SUVs over the last month.

Top of my list right now is the Volvo XC90. I like it. A lot. I don't really like the 40K price tag but what can I do.

Look at a Chevy is what I can do. The Traverse is cool, big, but again, with that third row, nothing special in the back seat, and american made bells and whistles aren't really like overseas bells and whistles. IMHO.

The Equinox is a nice smaller Chevy. These are less $$$ than their overseas counterparts.

But remember, these cars are more muscle than looks.

I've had 3 Jeeps of late, 2 Grand Cherokees and a Liberty. I just can't bring myself to drive a car that has 14 MPG, but I do like the look of the 2011 Grand Cherokees. MPG though... 10 less than a Model T Ford. I mean, gimme 25 and I'm happy. I do like that Grand Cherokees will power your lighter (i.e. my mophie iphone charger) when the key isn't in the ignition. Few other cars do that. Worth price of admission.

Ford Edge just because I was curious and my best buddy has it. It has, essentially, every gadget you could want. The thing is a thumb drive on wheels. That panoramic roof is something else though, LOVE that. But to get the car WITH that, I kept seeing 36K$+. I balked.

I'm convinced the Q7 Audi is the sharpest SUV on the road. Aside from a Jacked Up Cayenne. It's also probably about 10-20K more than a residents PGY-1 salary... :(:(

Honda pilot is cool, but too large for the same leg room as a Nissan Altima if you get my drift.

What about a CR-V? For a smaller SUV, that might be ok for a ride during residency?

GMC has the Acadia, I don't mind it. The Acura MDX, again, no true SUV like leg room. But nice toys.

Toyota has a cool SUV, Highlander. Has a couple nice toys when loaded, but look at a bare Venza crossover if you want to save a bit.

Oh, if you can get the smaller Tiguan VW, you might be happy. Those cars last. My VW hasn't given me an ounce of problems aside from me driving over a pothole in Miami Beach and bending the rim into what look liked a pretzel. My fault though. Or, er, Miami's fault.

Good luck shopping!

D712
 
Financially, you'll never save so much money on repairs that the new car makes sense UNTIL the engine or transmission go OR you break down at a really inconvenient time. So, in general, I would favor waiting. That said, you never really know ahead of time when the breakdown will occur, so it's a fun game.

Not knowing anything about your financials, your salary, or the city you'll match in, I can only say in generalities that it might be wise to wait and see exactly what your new salary will be after taxes/retirement contributions, etc. and how much money you have left over every month before you commit yourself to new payments. Depending on the city, you may find the money is better spent on renting a nicer/safer/bigger place than on reducing your car-related worries.
 
Not really advice, just my experience and thoughts. This might help with your decision.

I drove my beat to hell, 150,000+ mile Toyota pickup (pre Tacoma but Tacoma sized) for internship. Thankfully my wife had her new Subaru Impreza and was home with our brand new baby cause there is nothing worse then getting up a little late in the morning, turning the key, and hearing bad noises coming from the engine when you have no backup. I was able to take her car to work on the few occasions that mine had hiccups.

Fast forward to residency when my wife was back at work. I bought a under factory warranty VW GTI w/ < 20k miles (the guy upgraded to the R32 model that came out shortly after he bought this one new). Perfect car for Seattle if you pull the summer performance tires off for the winter season (I didn't and it cost me about $3000 in damage when I understeered into a curve and destroyed a wheel and bearing while playing around in the snow). In Seattle, you spend a lot of time sitting in traffic, not moving so the super comfortable seats in the GTI are awesome. I am 6'2" and there is plenty of space, although no one can sit behind me. I would have bought a Impreza WRX STi but the seats were just not nearly on par with the GTI and would have made the commute a little less pleasant.

Fast forward to now. I am in the middle of Montana with icy snowy roads most of the winter. I spent $1200 on the best possible studded tires and my traction is acceptable most of the time although the slush is problematic. I would be much better off with the AWD of the WRX STi.

My thoughts, have something that is completely reliable and under warranty for internship and residency. Your car will break down when you least want it to and when you least feel like working on it. Consider all the possibilities for your future plans. For me, a place like Montana was definitely in the cards so I could have foreseen my current situation. I probably would still have chosen the GTI, but I might have elected to make do with the WRX STi in Seattle to have a more appropriate car for playing in the mountains and driving to work in the future. In a couple of years when I have purchased a Montana rig and still have my GTI for playing in, I may feel differently.

I would say just be sure that whatever you get is under warranty. If it is between a less desirable car that is under warranty and a nice SUV that isn't, buy the former. You will always have the option of upgrading once you are done with residency.

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Hi Depakote,

Been following you on the med boards for a while. I'm also shopping for an SUV. It's not as easy as I'd like, mostly because I'm really tall here's what happens:

a) if you don't want an Escalade or Denali, ($$$or the like $$$), legroom can be an issue, (read: ginormous SUVs are good fosurer legroom, short of that, I'm not impressed)

b) because, they've added this thing since the days of the 1991 Grand Cherokee when I was in HS. It's called a 3rd row. I'm not what it's for, or the concept behind it, but all I can see is that it serves is to push up row two somewhere near my rectum. :eek: It's annoying. And thus, pushes row one somewhere closer to the pedals. Either is not a good idea as I want leg room, and want my 95% height young boys to have legroom for the next 5-7 years. I'm tired of asking the little guy to sit behind me. My father's 300C SRT has tons of legroom, can't I find that in an SUV for less than 45K? Not so easy...

What this means to you, who may not be 6'4'', is that I've sat in A LOT of SUVs over the last month.

Top of my list right now is the Volvo XC90. I like it. A lot. I don't really like the 40K price tag but what can I do.

Look at a Chevy is what I can do. The Traverse is cool, big, but again, with that third row, nothing special in the back seat, and american made bells and whistles aren't really like overseas bells and whistles. IMHO.

The Equinox is a nice smaller Chevy. These are less $$$ than their overseas counterparts.

But remember, these cars are more muscle than looks.

I've had 3 Jeeps of late, 2 Grand Cherokees and a Liberty. I just can't bring myself to drive a car that has 14 MPG, but I do like the look of the 2011 Grand Cherokees. MPG though... 10 less than a Model T Ford. I mean, gimme 25 and I'm happy. I do like that Grand Cherokees will power your lighter (i.e. my mophie iphone charger) when the key isn't in the ignition. Few other cars do that. Worth price of admission.

Ford Edge just because I was curious and my best buddy has it. It has, essentially, every gadget you could want. The thing is a thumb drive on wheels. That panoramic roof is something else though, LOVE that. But to get the car WITH that, I kept seeing 36K$+. I balked.

I'm convinced the Q7 Audi is the sharpest SUV on the road. Aside from a Jacked Up Cayenne. It's also probably about 10-20K more than a residents PGY-1 salary... :(:(

Honda pilot is cool, but too large for the same leg room as a Nissan Altima if you get my drift.

What about a CR-V? For a smaller SUV, that might be ok for a ride during residency?

GMC has the Acadia, I don't mind it. The Acura MDX, again, no true SUV like leg room. But nice toys.

Toyota has a cool SUV, Highlander. Has a couple nice toys when loaded, but look at a bare Venza crossover if you want to save a bit.

Oh, if you can get the smaller Tiguan VW, you might be happy. Those cars last. My VW hasn't given me an ounce of problems aside from me driving over a pothole in Miami Beach and bending the rim into what look liked a pretzel. My fault though. Or, er, Miami's fault.

Good luck shopping!

D712

Most of those are cars with an suv body. If you want a real suv I'd consider an Xterra, a 4Runner, or a Tahoe depending on how big you want it to be.
 
If it's giving you more trouble now, I'd just replace it with something reliable.


We bought our last two cars new in 2002 and 2003, and still have them with no intention of replacing them in the next few years. Our car has about 105,000 on it and our minivan has about 120,000. They're both starting to need work periodically but nothing huge yet.

Prior to that we bought a used SUV and a used minivan, both were about 3 years old when we bought them, and both gave us trouble after a couple years. We kept the SUV 5 years, the minivan 3. I don't think we came out ahead buying used.

Buying the car new was a totally unnecessary and financially dumb thing to do, but I loved and still love that car, and I rationalize the choice by thinking of all the times the screeching tires and G forces have soothed away the pain of certain people I've had to work with.

For a while I sort of regretted the expense of buying the minivan new but we'll probably keep it 12 or 13 years and there's something to be said for the extra period of worry-free reliability. In the end buying two used ones over that period probably wouldn't have saved us much money.

So I'm kind of ambivilent toward the new vs used argument.

I will say that every time in my life a broken down car inconvenienced me, I cursed the $ I saved acquiring it. I'd look for something minimally used with a solid reputation for reliability, and then keep it until it breaks.
 
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Hi Depakote,

Been following you on the med boards for a while. I'm also shopping for an SUV. It's not as easy as I'd like, mostly because I'm really tall here's what happens:

a) if you don't want an Escalade or Denali, ($$$or the like $$$), legroom can be an issue, (read: ginormous SUVs are good fosurer legroom, short of that, I'm not impressed)

b) because, they've added this thing since the days of the 1991 Grand Cherokee when I was in HS. It's called a 3rd row. I'm not what it's for, or the concept behind it, but all I can see is that it serves is to push up row two somewhere near my rectum. :eek: It's annoying. And thus, pushes row one somewhere closer to the pedals. Either is not a good idea as I want leg room, and want my 95% height young boys to have legroom for the next 5-7 years. I'm tired of asking the little guy to sit behind me. My father's 300C SRT has tons of legroom, can't I find that in an SUV for less than 45K? Not so easy...

What this means to you, who may not be 6'4'', is that I've sat in A LOT of SUVs over the last month.

Top of my list right now is the Volvo XC90. I like it. A lot. I don't really like the 40K price tag but what can I do.

Look at a Chevy is what I can do. The Traverse is cool, big, but again, with that third row, nothing special in the back seat, and american made bells and whistles aren't really like overseas bells and whistles. IMHO.

The Equinox is a nice smaller Chevy. These are less $$$ than their overseas counterparts.

But remember, these cars are more muscle than looks.

I've had 3 Jeeps of late, 2 Grand Cherokees and a Liberty. I just can't bring myself to drive a car that has 14 MPG, but I do like the look of the 2011 Grand Cherokees. MPG though... 10 less than a Model T Ford. I mean, gimme 25 and I'm happy. I do like that Grand Cherokees will power your lighter (i.e. my mophie iphone charger) when the key isn't in the ignition. Few other cars do that. Worth price of admission.

Ford Edge just because I was curious and my best buddy has it. It has, essentially, every gadget you could want. The thing is a thumb drive on wheels. That panoramic roof is something else though, LOVE that. But to get the car WITH that, I kept seeing 36K$+. I balked.

I'm convinced the Q7 Audi is the sharpest SUV on the road. Aside from a Jacked Up Cayenne. It's also probably about 10-20K more than a residents PGY-1 salary... :(:(

Honda pilot is cool, but too large for the same leg room as a Nissan Altima if you get my drift.

What about a CR-V? For a smaller SUV, that might be ok for a ride during residency?

GMC has the Acadia, I don't mind it. The Acura MDX, again, no true SUV like leg room. But nice toys.

Toyota has a cool SUV, Highlander. Has a couple nice toys when loaded, but look at a bare Venza crossover if you want to save a bit.

Oh, if you can get the smaller Tiguan VW, you might be happy. Those cars last. My VW hasn't given me an ounce of problems aside from me driving over a pothole in Miami Beach and bending the rim into what look liked a pretzel. My fault though. Or, er, Miami's fault.

You didn't mention the Nissans.
 
Buying the car new was a totally unnecessary and financially dumb thing to do, but I loved and still love that car, and I rationalize the choice by thinking of all the times the screeching tires and G forces have soothed away the pain of certain people I've had to work with.

It's not rationalizing if you are getting a psychological boost out of it. I mean, if it was all necessity and financial realism, there would only be Dodge Neons, Nissan Sentras, Honda Accords, and Ford Escorts.

If you're spending thousands of miles a year in your car, being happy and comfortable isn't wasting money.
 
If you're spending thousands of miles a year in your car, being happy and comfortable isn't wasting money.

It's like Prozac. Monthly deductible, but no side effects.

Owning a car with ****ty gas mileage but high thrill factor, I definitely recommend buying something that puts a smile on your face.
 
Driving my 1999 Rav-4 to the ground, it's almost at 200K miles.
I'll continue to drive it till I kill it. Hopefully it lasts me 3-4 years in residency.
 
Driving my 1999 Rav-4 to the ground, it's almost at 200K miles.
I'll continue to drive it till I kill it. Hopefully it lasts me 3-4 years in residency.

Still driving my 2001 525i to the ground. It's at 78K miles. I love that car, and it WILL last me at least 3-4 more years. I get 21 mpg, so I'll take that. I fit in it, it fits me, and I don't feel guilty about a "totally irresponsible" purchase.

Granted, I'm in a place where it was 77 degrees yesterday (whereas my mother had -10 at her house where I grew up). Even so, the sun is taking a beating on my clearcoat.
 
As a future intern on a tight budget, you should look into the new Hyundai Tucson. Cheap, reliable, and stylish IMHO. Also, one of my buddies just got the new Mitsubishi Outlander Sport and he's happy. Both are available in AWD.
 
Spend the 15k on a diesel Jeep Liberty and drive that car for the next 10 years without any worries (in terms of the engine).
 
McGill, why ohh why do you have a pic of Mr. Bigglesworth?

This is his gangster cousin in cat prison with all of the prison tats.

IT almost looks like there's tattoos on that dog, check out the spot in the middle of his sternum. Is tattooing an animal illegal?

Yes, those are tattoos. Oddly enough, it is perfectly legal to tattoo your animals. They are your property.
 
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