Proposed MCAT Changes

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So, this is my first thread that I have ever posted. Although, I have lurked the forums for quite some time. But, what are your thoughts on the new proposed MCAT changes? Although they won't be implemented until 2015, so most current pre-meds will be unaffected. This could dramatically increase the stress related with med school admissions.

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So, this is my first thread that I have ever posted. Although, I have lurked the forums for quite some time. But, what are your thoughts on the new proposed MCAT changes? Although they won't be implemented until 2015, so most current pre-meds will be unaffected. This could dramatically increase the stress related with med school admissions.

http://www.insidevandy.com/drupal/node/17114

First of all...GO DORES. Second, I think it's ridiculous that they'd make it a 7 hour test. No one even cares about the current writing section, so how will they view a behavioral sciences section? Isn't step 1 around 7 hours long?
 
First of all...GO DORES. Second, I think it's ridiculous that they'd make it a 7 hour test. No one even cares about the current writing section, so how will they view a behavioral sciences section? Isn't step 1 around 7 hours long?


Apparently as more useful than the WS. Considering the difficulty so many science students have w/ VR and the inability some have to cope w/ difficult social science and humanities courses, I think such a section would be quite useful. :laugh:

It also encourages a multidisciplinary approach to learning about medicine (esp. considering the recent trends toward preventive medicine and more personal approaches to pt care).
 
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The test will also add science topics such as cellular/molecular biology, biochemistry, research methods and statistics...
The MCAT is already gruesome to many premeds, why are they making it worse? It totally makes sense if Orgo is replaced by Biochem, but this--Seriously!?

The Writing Sample, proven by statistics to be futile in the medical school selection process, will be removed
Thanks.

Behavioral and Social Sciences Principles, which will evaluate students' understanding of self, others and the socio-cultural differences among patients and doctors.
Don't expect this section to be straightforward or easier than VR. Chances are, it will be written by psychogists to break your nerves just like they did with VR.
 
is the 2015 date for certain? I seem to remember reading elsewhere that the changes would happen "no sooner than 2014," but this looks more recent.

re: actual changes, good thing they're getting rid of that UTTERLY USELESS WRITING SECTION, but I imagine that'll be little consolation in the face of all the other topics they plan to cram into that thing.


...the total length of the exam will be increased from 5 1/2 hours to 7 hours to test endurance.
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is the 2015 date for certain? I seem to remember reading elsewhere that the changes would happen "no sooner than 2014," but this looks more recent.

re: actual changes, good thing they're getting rid of that UTTERLY USELESS WRITING SECTION, but I imagine that'll be little consolation in the face of all the other topics they plan to cram into that thing.


:smack:

I hope it does not happen before 2014, since I graduate in 2014... :bang:
Just let me take the old MCAT and get on with my life! :cry:
 
First of all...GO DORES. Second, I think it's ridiculous that they'd make it a 7 hour test. No one even cares about the current writing section, so how will they view a behavioral sciences section? Isn't step 1 around 7 hours long?


Before the MCAT went to the computerized version (~4 years ago) it was easily an 8-9 hour day.
 
The MCAT is already gruesome to many premeds, why are they making it worse? It totally makes sense if Orgo is replaced by Biochem, but this--Seriously!?
Actually, considering how poor many premeds' understandings of research methods are (even as evidenced here), I think some stats and research methods testing is crucial (probably moreso than many of the types of questions we get on VR and PS, although the BS does have some good application stuff).
Thanks.


Don't expect this section to be straightforward or easier than VR. Chances are, it will be written by psychogists to break your nerves just like they did with VR.

Yup.... Maybe they'll weave in a behavioral score of sorts with MMPI scales. :eek: (I kid. I kid. Although ETS has talked about doing this w/ the GRE. Not sure if they ever did make the modification, but there was talk of such a thing.)
 
So this means the pre-reqs for medical school is going to change then because if I am a chemistry major chances are I did not take stats nor any behavioral sciences unless I am at a liberal arts institution. Also what about the practice EXAMS!! How are test prep companies going to modify their test taking techniques?
 
Before the MCAT went to the computerized version (~4 years ago) it was easily an 8-9 hour day.

Interesting. I didn't know that. The USMLE is now 7 48-question sections each an hour in duration I think, so it's interesting that the MCAT used to be longer.

Apparently as more useful than the WS. Considering the difficulty so many science students have w/ VR and the inability some have to cope w/ difficult social science and humanities courses, I think such a section would be quite useful. :laugh:

It also encourages a multidisciplinary approach to learning about medicine (esp. considering the recent trends toward preventive medicine and more personal approaches to pt care).

As a former psych major (now neuro), I'm all in favor of it :laugh:. I'm taking the MCAT next weekend so I don't know for sure, but I haven't had any trouble with the VR section, so IDK which parts of it trouble otherwise good students. I don't why an 11 in VR is the same as 12 in the other two sections. It's strange how they scale that section.
 
Interesting. I didn't know that. The USMLE is now 7 48-question sections each an hour in duration I think, so it's interesting that the MCAT used to be longer.



As a former psych major (now neuro), I'm all in favor of it :laugh:. I'm taking the MCAT next weekend so I don't know for sure, but I haven't had any trouble with the VR section, so IDK which parts of it trouble otherwise good students. I don't why an 11 in VR is the same as 12 in the other two sections. It's strange how they scale that section.

Yeah... it's a bit of a cruelly-scaled section.

I think VR tends to trouble people b/c so many of the questions are that ambiguous and studying for it can feel like a lost cause (i.e., nothing specific to learn...)
 
Yeah... it's a bit of a cruelly-scaled section.

I think VR tends to trouble people b/c so many of the questions are that ambiguous and studying for it can feel like a lost cause (i.e., nothing specific to learn...)

Yea I definitely agree. I've been getting 11/12 on the practices, and it seems like you just need to figure out what they want you to think, not what you actually think is most logical. I still don't know why they don't scale it to a 12 though. If 12 on the other sections is 90+ percentile, why is 11 on VR 90+ percentile? Perhaps it has something to do with the number of questions?
 
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Yea I definitely agree. I've been getting 11/12 on the practices, and it seems like you just need to figure out what they want you to think, not what you actually think is most logical. I still don't know why they don't scale it to a 12 though. If 12 on the other sections is 90+ percentile, why is 11 on VR 90+ percentile? Perhaps it has something to do with the number of questions?

I don't know. All I know is I hated the VR on the MCAT I score ridiculously well on verbal exams (ACT. GRE, SAT...). MCAT VR was an absolute pain. Sometimes, it seemed like I disagreed with the practice materials' answers almost as often as I agreed (begrudgingly) that they were at least somewhat correct. :laugh:
 
I don't know. All I know is I hated the VR on the MCAT I score ridiculously well on verbal exams (ACT. GRE, SAT...). MCAT VR was an absolute pain. Sometimes, it seemed like I disagreed with the practice materials' answers almost as often as I agreed (begrudgingly) that they were at least somewhat correct. :laugh:

I often end up dismissing the logic for answers (as described in EK 1O1 or even AAMC tests) as illogical. They are often based upon assumptions that you've made an assumption :laugh:. At times it is true, but often it's baffling. I'm just hoping to get my average :xf: from practices.
 
So, this is my first thread that I have ever posted. Although, I have lurked the forums for quite some time. But, what are your thoughts on the new proposed MCAT changes? Although they won't be implemented until 2015, so most current pre-meds will be unaffected. This could dramatically increase the stress related with med school admissions.

http://www.insidevandy.com/drupal/node/17114

I'm not sure how I feel about the changes. I mean, I won't have to deal with the new MCAT (got accepted this cycle), but I'm not sure whether to be jealous of future premeds or feel bad for them.

I'm glad they're taking out the writing section, it was such a waste of time. I didn't prepare for it at all since everyone knows it's a joke. And it seems they're taking out organic chemistry. I studied a lot for orgo and I ended up only having ONE orgo passage on my test :mad:. But does this mean they're still going to require premeds to take organic chemistry? (or maybe they'll just require the first semester or something).

I liked the psychology and sociology classes I took, so I'm not sure if the new behavioral sciences is a good or bad thing. But isn't this going to make Psych/Soc majors have a big advantage? I heard they already typically do better on the verbal sections compared to other majors. No offense to any Psych majors, but I know a lot of premeds at my school who switched to Psych from Bio because it's notoriously easier at my school.

In addition to verbal reasoning, examinees will also be expected to understand concepts in ethics, philosophy, cross-cultural studies and population health.

On top of all the crazy requirements we already had to take, now they're expecting us to take additional classes in Philosophy, Ethics, Psych, Soc, etc. I was very lucky that I was able to replace a lot of GE classes with Psych and Soc, but I don't know how other premeds could manage that. I started out at community college, where they are more lenient on what classes you can take for GE requirements.

the total length of the exam will be increased from 5 1/2 hours to 7 hours to test endurance.

I'm certainly not jealous of that :laugh:.

Also, with four sections, surely they are going to change the scoring of the MCAT. Maybe it will be out of 60 instead of 45! How weird is that??
 
The section on research methods and statistics is absolutely a terrific idea.
 
Interesting. I didn't know that. The USMLE is now 7 48-question sections each an hour in duration I think, so it's interesting that the MCAT used to be longer.

The MCAT used to be 8 hours. The USMLE is now 8 hours.

To those complaining about the "extra" courses, at my school, all those courses in philosophy, ethics, social sciences, etc. were gen ed requirements. Were they not at yours?
 
The MCAT used to be 8 hours. The USMLE is now 8 hours.

To those complaining about the "extra" courses, at my school, all those courses in philosophy, ethics, social sciences, etc. were gen ed requirements. Were they not at yours?


They were at mine. Assuming you went to an LAC, these are generally all required. At my school, I believe it was a total of 64 hrs of required geneds. Of course, some of those were fulfilled within your given major. (E.g., the upper division writing requirements were fulfilled by most majors' writing intensive courses.)
 
Why? Isn't that what biostats is for in med school?

Exactly, which is why having an introductory exposure to biostats in college and demonstrating a basic ability on the MCAT is a reasonable idea...not to mention that many premeds are already taking statistics as a prereq. Med school covers cell biology as well, does that mean bio be eliminated as a premed prereq? Of course not. The differences in depth and application make exposure at both levels relevant.

I do agree to your point on the "extra" classes, which aren't extra at all for anyone attending a liberal arts college. Also, I imagine that, like everything else on the MCAT, what's really being tested is to understand, interpret and apply information taught in a passage, not in-depth preexisting knowledge.
 
and it was only give 3 times a year in sites like large college lecture halls with hundreds of others. And as one student told me, if the fire alarm goes off for all 8 hours while your taking the MCAT and not one but two people have apparent nervous breakdowns during the exam, one screaming "F*CK THIS ****! F*CK MED SCHOOL!", the other just bursting into tears and nearly wailing as she was escorted out, well that just too bad. BTW the student above got a 36 and into Case-Western.

We now bring you back to your regularly scheduled thread, already in progress

I took it the last year you could do paper and pencil, and that's absolutely no exaggeration. As you can imagine, much energy was devoted to trying to find the "best" site to take the test...I was in NYC, so the art was to find a location with the least amount of city noise craziness. Entire threads were devoted to the debate of college lecture hall vs. hotel ballroom (I went the latter). And advisors would in all seriousness devote a portion of their "about the MCAT" sessions to the craziness that might ensue and the need to block it out and push on through. My premed advisor had a story that a few years before my year someone had an MI (although in retrospect was probably Takotsubo's)...but legit crushing chest pain, collapsed on the the floor requiring EMS...and even then the other test takers had to continue on as if all that wasn't going on in the room and didn't receive any breaks or additional time.

My session was relatively calm...meaning we only had various people running out in the middle of sessions to vomit and several others having legit nervous breakdowns. A classmate at my session *bawled* through the entire exam--all 8 hours--only to decide to void at the end. The upside was that directly across the hall from the ballroom was a Tex-Mex bar with gallon-sized margaritas. ;)
 
I took it the last year you could do paper and pencil, and that's absolutely no exaggeration. As you can imagine, much energy was devoted to trying to find the "best" site to take the test...I was in NYC, so the art was to find a location with the least amount of city noise craziness. Entire threads were devoted to the debate of college lecture hall vs. hotel ballroom (I went the latter). And advisors would in all seriousness devote a portion of their "about the MCAT" sessions to the craziness that might ensue and the need to block it out and push on through. My premed advisor had a story that a few years before my year someone had an MI (although in retrospect was probably Takotsubo's)...but legit crushing chest pain, collapsed on the the floor requiring EMS...and even then the other test takers had to continue on as if all that wasn't going on in the room and didn't receive any breaks or additional time.

My session was relatively calm...meaning we only had various people running out in the middle of sessions to vomit and several others having legit nervous breakdowns. A classmate at my session *bawled* through the entire exam--all 8 hours--only to decide to void at the end. The upside was that directly across the hall from the ballroom was a Tex-Mex bar with gallon-sized margaritas. ;)

Aren't those on every corner in NYC? ;)
 
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