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Can anyone please provide reviews of TOUROCOM-NY, TOUROCOM-NV and NYCOM? NYCOM had a bad one way back in this thread and am looking for another review.
Besides what Dr. JPH has said about PCOM-philly, anyone have anything else to add about the school?
his stuff was out of date when he wrote it because the curriculum underwent a major change after he finished his nonclinical years. The problem too is it continues to change (for the better) and things are in flux. I don't really feel my evaluation of the preclinical years would reflect what actually is happening now.
does anyone have a recent review of ccom?
Besides what Dr. JPH has said about PCOM-philly, anyone have anything else to add about the school?
Hi,
Please understand, before you make this expensive move, that the odds are you will not get to stay in the Bay Area during your third and forth year for rotations. You may be assigned to do rotations in Michigan, New York, or Southern California.
This happened even to people with partners, spouses, and children.
The school uses a lottery system to assign rotations. You get to ask for 3 choices. In my case, because because too many people wanted to stay in the bay area (myself included) I simply got assigned to a rotation site for third year that wasn't even on my list. And it was in New York City. I had to move there for 10 months of third year.
Most of the sites are very bad. you'll be rotating with large numbers of Caribbean students. There are not enough patients for all the students. There's little teaching and no oversite. If you complain, the school labels you a problem student, and it will be reflected in your dean's letter. So everyone learns quickly to just keep their mouth shut.
As far as fourth year goes, I had to set up every rotations on my own. Not only did the school not help me at all, but they actually put serious obstacles to me setting up rotations at sites of my choosing.
Overnight call, sure, I did plenty of that. Other students at different rotation sites never did it. Some people have never been at a facility that has inpatients. They've just been at clinics for all their rotations. Those people rarely/never do call.
Shelf exams. We don't take them. There's no curriculum from the school whatsoever 3rd & 4th years. Basically, you leave Mare Island and you never hear from the administration again.
I hope this is helpful. Let me know if you have other questions.
Wow, that stuff about Touro-CA is just scary. Seems odd that there is such a large discrepancy between each school.
I'm planning on going to go to PCOM next year, does anyone have anything negative to say about the school?
Here's a response to a student whose considering transferring to TOURO-CA from another DO school:
What are your 3rd and 4th year grades based on if you don't take any shelf exams?
Having talked to many osteopathic students over the past 4 years, I've gotten the general impression that there's a big difference between the older, established osteopathic schools (like PCOM-PA, CCOM, OSUCOM, MSUCOM, UMDNJ, etc) and the newer schools, like Touro-CA, PNWCOM, etc.
The older schools having their act much more organized. Established connections with rotation sites, etc.
In general, all the Touro schools (Touro-CA, Touro-NY, Touro-NV - yes, there's three!) occupy the lowest possible rung in terms of quality.
bth
This remark is just plain ignorant and stupid. The only thing the 3 Touro Universities have in common is the name "Touro". They have different deans, faculties, and rotation sites. It's fine if you dislike Touro CA, but to make a broad statement about all the Touros is just ignorant. I have 3 friends at Touro NV that have been really happy with their education and experience. How could you possibley judge the "quality" of a school that you have never attended?
They are based on nothing. Seriously. Your "preceptor" just makes up a grade.
gah that's pretty scary!
Anyways, I'm sure you'll do fine in this year's match. Best of luck in March and congrats on your imminent graduation!
PS: I'm curious where you rotated in NYC and your impressions of the hospitals. I'm at NYCOM so I might end up at some of the sites. If you want to keep it private, PM me Any info would be much appreciated. Thanks!
Here's a response to a student whose considering transferring to TOURO-CA from another DO school:
I'm very interested in hearing about KCUMB and DMU (especially after that very negative review!). Anyone?? PLEASE!!!
I think KCUMB is not covered by anyone yet, any takers? I'm deciding between KCOM and KCUMB and I'm currently leaning toward KCOM but I would love to hear from KCUMB people.Search the thread for keywords...you'll find several in previous pages.
I think KCUMB is not covered by anyone yet, any takers? I'm deciding between KCOM and KCUMB and I'm currently leaning toward KCOM but I would love to hear from KCUMB people.
Well you may think the location is in fact an A but I do not. A place to rent is harder to find. A place for my husband to work in impossible to find. The fact that I have to drive an hour and a half to get to a target, a real mall, or a normal sit down restaurant is annoying. I'm sorry but I don't have to live in the middle of no where in order to make myself study.
That being said I love DCOM but of course every school is going to have its pros and cons.
Hi Guys,
I wanted to know if anyone can give me the run down on ATSU-SOMA - especially any of the second years. I am excited and nervous all at once with the year 2 starting in the CHC and how it is working out.
Plus, i know it is a new school but it still has ATSU behind it - whats everyone's opinion when it comes to residency time??
Super Thanks
That's what I am doing on here....the information does not appear on the schools website. From what I gather, the I don't think the PCOMs, NYCOM, LECOMs, TUORO's, UNECOM, and WVSOM have their own. I'm not sure about MSUCOM, Ohio, Oklahoma, Texas, and UMDNJ.
In short, if you can go MD, go MD. Lets face it, the upper half of the class probably could have done just as well at a good MD school, but b/c of either lack of emotional maturity at the time, poor advice, a subpar MCAT score, or a couple B's in undergrad b/c of too many happy hours we ended up as DO. Though i think the first and second years are very similar, the 3rd and 4th years greatly greatly greatly differ.
Thought I would chime in on DO schools and their 3rd year rotations. This is wear DO schools and MD schools educations greatly diverge in terms of quality. A primary affiliated hospital is huge asset to education. For instance, NYU's primary hospital is Bellvue. All their students rotate at this facility, a VA hospital and a community hospital. All the faculty that teach their first and second year classes also teach them on rounds as 3rd and 4th years. They have structured didactics, given a good deal of attn, forced to do presentations, case write-ups etc.. and are properly evaluated. Furthermore they can network with their pd and chairs, and participate in research for longer periods of time (b/c they spend 2 years in that same hospital). Most importantly the undergraduate school has a 'say' in how the teaching physicians treat their 3rd and 4th year students. The teaching docs are obligated, and often take great pride in educating 3rd and 4th year students. If they don't, they will get the boot. This makes the third and fourth years a smoother transition then what we DO"s get.
DO schools and FMG's are forced to rotate a multiple small, often crappy community hospitals with very little research, and residents that typically barely speak english and smell funny (no, seriously). Physicians at these facilities usually have no vested interest in the students, and see them as a side project if time permits. Education, often lacking, varies greatly from site to site, and because their are so many sites, DO schools can do very little to ensure that their students are getting properly educated. Furthermore, if they are not, the school has no pull to force the physicians hand. That is, the school can't fire the doc, and its not like the hospital is raking in money from the undergrad medical school that they feel the need to listen. Also, because you are bouncing around so much, you can't network, or get on real research projects (which usually take a year or so to get off the ground).
Carribean schools have actually caught onto this and are paying community hospitals buckets of money to ensure their students have a spot. In turn the hospitals respond favorably to this $$$$ and want to keep the students happy, ie meetings with the chairs, structured didactics etc...
In short, if you can go MD, go MD. Lets face it, the upper half of the class probably could have done just as well at a good MD school, but b/c of either lack of emotional maturity at the time, poor advice, a subpar MCAT score, or a couple B's in undergrad b/c of too many happy hours we ended up as DO. Though i think the first and second years are very similar, the 3rd and 4th years greatly greatly greatly differ.
Although I agree with mentulbloc's first point in his post (I didn't quote it but the importance of a school having a good network of hospitals is a valid point) I am so tired of people putting down DO students for being DO students. I may not have started my medical education yet, but I find it completely insulting every time someone tries to justify why I chose to go to a DO school. No one knows the particulars of anyone's decision but his/her own and to make a general statement about DO students being emotionally immature and all that other nonsense is just ridiculous and ignorant.
Besides, the quality of 3rd and 4th rotations will vary from school to school, regardless of whether it's a DO or MD school. That's why it's important to look at all four years when choosing where you'd like to go to school (which by the way is the advice I received so I guess it wasn't exactly poor advice after all).
Thought I would chime in on DO schools and their 3rd year rotations. This is wear DO schools and MD schools educations greatly diverge in terms of quality. A primary affiliated hospital is huge asset to education. For instance, NYU's primary hospital is Bellvue. All their students rotate at this facility, a VA hospital and a community hospital. All the faculty that teach their first and second year classes also teach them on rounds as 3rd and 4th years. They have structured didactics, given a good deal of attn, forced to do presentations, case write-ups etc.. and are properly evaluated. Furthermore they can network with their pd and chairs, and participate in research for longer periods of time (b/c they spend 2 years in that same hospital). Most importantly the undergraduate school has a 'say' in how the teaching physicians treat their 3rd and 4th year students. The teaching docs are obligated, and often take great pride in educating 3rd and 4th year students. If they don't, they will get the boot. This makes the third and fourth years a smoother transition then what we DO"s get.
DO schools and FMG's are forced to rotate a multiple small, often crappy community hospitals with very little research, and residents that typically barely speak english and smell funny (no, seriously). Physicians at these facilities usually have no vested interest in the students, and see them as a side project if time permits. Education, often lacking, varies greatly from site to site, and because their are so many sites, DO schools can do very little to ensure that their students are getting properly educated. Furthermore, if they are not, the school has no pull to force the physicians hand. That is, the school can't fire the doc, and its not like the hospital is raking in money from the undergrad medical school that they feel the need to listen. Also, because you are bouncing around so much, you can't network, or get on real research projects (which usually take a year or so to get off the ground).
Carribean schools have actually caught onto this and are paying community hospitals buckets of money to ensure their students have a spot. In turn the hospitals respond favorably to this $$$$ and want to keep the students happy, ie meetings with the chairs, structured didactics etc...
In short, if you can go MD, go MD. Lets face it, the upper half of the class probably could have done just as well at a good MD school, but b/c of either lack of emotional maturity at the time, poor advice, a subpar MCAT score, or a couple B's in undergrad b/c of too many happy hours we ended up as DO. Though i think the first and second years are very similar, the 3rd and 4th years greatly greatly greatly differ.