can u tell me what is your starts? r u international dentist ?
Prosth 2010
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has anyone received any interview calls from this univ for prostho
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So has anyone matched yet? I think a few schools have already made offers and it seems to come the same day or within a day or two of the interview, just to let you guys know.
I know of at least 3 schools that have made offers!
Where are others applying?
Where have people matched at or been offered a place so far?
I am really surprised and a little disappointed that this year so little has been written about Prostho! I was recently at a talk by the ACP president who said that he thought prosthodontics was going through what plastic surgery went through in the 1980s!
I know a lot of dental students and general dentists believe that they can restore a case and dont have to do a prosthodontic residency because they know enough already from their dental student training! Unlike ortho and OMFS where they feel like they need to do a residency in that!
Its the same thing, there is no way that a general dentist or someone just out of dental school could restore these big cases that a prosthodontist can, I thought I could until I see what prostho residents are doing now, you think you know it all until you see the level of detail and treatment planing that prosthodontists go through. Its like trying to compare a ferrari to a toyota prius on a race track!
Anyways just wanted to put a word on the forum!
I know of at least 3 schools that have made offers!
Where are others applying?
Where have people matched at or been offered a place so far?
I am really surprised and a little disappointed that this year so little has been written about Prostho! I was recently at a talk by the ACP president who said that he thought prosthodontics was going through what plastic surgery went through in the 1980s!
I know a lot of dental students and general dentists believe that they can restore a case and dont have to do a prosthodontic residency because they know enough already from their dental student training! Unlike ortho and OMFS where they feel like they need to do a residency in that!
Its the same thing, there is no way that a general dentist or someone just out of dental school could restore these big cases that a prosthodontist can, I thought I could until I see what prostho residents are doing now, you think you know it all until you see the level of detail and treatment planing that prosthodontists go through. Its like trying to compare a ferrari to a toyota prius on a race track!
Anyways just wanted to put a word on the forum!
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Hello everyone,
I recently got accepted into a Prosthodontics program and am still studying my options. I have several questions that I want to get inputs from you guys.
1. Why are very few U.S. graduate dentists want to specialize in Prostho? I visited a couple programs and rarely see any U.S. trained residents.
2. If general dentists can do pretty much all of the things that a Prosthodontist does (fixed, remov,...), why and how much of referrals can a Prosthodontist get?
3. Is it worth going for 3 additional years of training with lots of labworks and nights and weekends away from your family? Is it worth the investment (time/money/lost income)?
4. How much more (percent-wise) are Prostho's fees as compared to general practitioners?
5. How much more (percent-wise) are Prosthodontists average NET income as compared to GP?
6. Is it even possible to moonlight when you do Prosth residency or would it be impossible due to the amount of labworks?
Thank you for your inputs.
I recently got accepted into a Prosthodontics program and am still studying my options. I have several questions that I want to get inputs from you guys.
1. Why are very few U.S. graduate dentists want to specialize in Prostho? I visited a couple programs and rarely see any U.S. trained residents.
2. If general dentists can do pretty much all of the things that a Prosthodontist does (fixed, remov,...), why and how much of referrals can a Prosthodontist get?
3. Is it worth going for 3 additional years of training with lots of labworks and nights and weekends away from your family? Is it worth the investment (time/money/lost income)?
4. How much more (percent-wise) are Prostho's fees as compared to general practitioners?
5. How much more (percent-wise) are Prosthodontists average NET income as compared to GP?
6. Is it even possible to moonlight when you do Prosth residency or would it be impossible due to the amount of labworks?
Thank you for your inputs.
Not a lot of US trained dentists opt for Pros,becoz. most of it is taught in dental school. FTD who need means to stay in US usually go for Pros...now working overtime, away from family for 3 additional yrs is NOT worth it....but some "bachelors" prefer to stay in the lab/school as they don't have anyone waiting @ home..Avg GP's make in excess of $200K--400K..some Pros. trained sometimes DON'T even come close. U Decide...I won't do it if I were U.
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Then why were you asking @ Uni of Washington,Seattle few posts ago?
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I am sorry, I was not able to help you much. All my answers are based on my observations
I am sorry, I was not able to help you much. All my answers are based on my observations
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this is ridiculous......
many residencies like ( OS, ORTHO, PEDO ) requires minimum PR status, hence many foreign students end up with prostho....
if you don't have passion for something (prostho) doesn't mean that its not worth a penny for others..
if you do prostho residency you would definitely substract 3 yrs of productive general practice and lose some time...but the time you lose is gained after you specialize....as a general practitioner it might take 5-10yrs to master the complex prostho and or esthetics cases....whereas 3 yrs of specialty training will save it for you and your expertise in diagnosis through treatment planning and treatment outcomes far superior than an average GP...
there is never a comparison between any speciality or gp vs specialities....each has its pros and cons....
lastly in next 10-40 yrs according to US census 2007 community estimates the average age of the US population will be increased by 5 yrs and there will be more number of geriatric or senior citizens ..hence more scope for prosthodontics.....
a friend of mine had applied @ UW and was interviewed. he wasnt impressed with school, faciities and staff. Moreover, he was offered the position, but denied and chose not to join UW..i live in a city of 500K + with only 1 Board Certified Pros. I dont know from whr he gets referrals, if any...doubt it...?? but he's always traveling for one CE course to another...
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Most of it is not taught in dental school, nowhere close! When do they do full mouth? Large quadrant rehab? FPD's integrated with implants? Implant suported overdentures? High esthetic cases? Place implants? I could go on! Some schools may allow students to do some of this but not enough to be competant!
Now working overtime? Its a hobby, when you go into prostho it becomes a hobby, when you get along with your residents the time spent in the lab is excellent, we trade ideas, opinions etc, ive learned so much from being in the lab more than the clinic then I apply that to the clinic, and it works!!
Not worth it? Read the Nash study, along with the fact that prosth has the highest $ value invested compared to any other specialty, also check out the Forbes top ten paid jobs, you'll see prostho is always around #5-8 and will only increase with our aging population.
Lots of bachelors prefer to stay in the lab?
Since when? This is absolutely untrue for any prosth residents I know, we work hard and play hard!You cant say some GP's earn 200-400 then say I know some prosthodontists that dont even earn that, look at the Forbes top ten jobs, they take in the average for all jobs and prosth is above a general dentist by a mile, I know some GPs starting around 100-120, prosth ive heard start around 180 but then grow after that, the growth potential for a GP is not as much as a prosthodontist! I know some prosthodontists in the 750 to over 1Mill mark!
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Rochester
Tufts
Harvard
North Carolina
U Washington (from what Nahari is saying)
Im sure there are more! A few more schools have made offers to their own dental 4th yr students already!
Does this help?
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reading through the thread made me write down a few thoughts of mine. My class of FTDs had students who applied for nearly all specialities and most of them are in thier or interviewing, be it Perio, Pros, Endo, Oral surgery, Ortho and Pedo or GPR at Newyork.
We as a class alrdy have acceptance in programs for Pros, Perio and GPRs. I am fully inconjuction with thoughts of 'akg' and 'centric'. As a foreign trained dentist its your interest only where you wanna finally go into. Adding into account what most of general dentist dont do are maxillofacial prosthetics. It requires a specialist to do that job only. I agree with the fact also many of the times there are cases which have been incorrectly treated by general dentist due to lack of experience( which should be like 8-10 yrs) or good knowledge of occlusion and other principals, these patients are now treated by a prosthodontist.
Adding to programs that have offered seats
University of Maryland
UCSF
Ohio state
Pittsburgh
We as a class alrdy have acceptance in programs for Pros, Perio and GPRs. I am fully inconjuction with thoughts of 'akg' and 'centric'. As a foreign trained dentist its your interest only where you wanna finally go into. Adding into account what most of general dentist dont do are maxillofacial prosthetics. It requires a specialist to do that job only. I agree with the fact also many of the times there are cases which have been incorrectly treated by general dentist due to lack of experience( which should be like 8-10 yrs) or good knowledge of occlusion and other principals, these patients are now treated by a prosthodontist.
Adding to programs that have offered seats
University of Maryland
UCSF
Ohio state
Pittsburgh
Cool now we are making this into a proper Prosth thread! Keep it coming!
Maybe people who got offers should say where and put their stats up to give people a feeling for how to get in places or why they didnt, I dunno, it just may be a good idea thats all!
Maybe people who got offers should say where and put their stats up to give people a feeling for how to get in places or why they didnt, I dunno, it just may be a good idea thats all!
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Is it Rochester, NY or Rochester, MN?
Thanks for the update, I was not sure if Ohio had offered seats.
I know for sure @ Maryland and Pittsburgh and Rochester, NY
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Hello. I am a practicing dentist and thinking about doing Pros. I am thinking about Loma Linda or USC. I heard USC is very hard as you have to finish all the cases and cases are not transferrable and students stay 3.5-4 yrs plus finishing up.. I have to stay in Southern calisfornia..any advice on which is better? I love pros a lot but because of the high tuition and lost income I have hard time convincing family to do it..any advice on how to convince them?
Hi guys, I am new on the thread and also interested in Prostho.
Have a question, some of you post that University of Pittsburgh have already offered some positions but their application deadline has not past. Is it normal for a program to choose residents before they receive all the applications?
Have a question, some of you post that University of Pittsburgh have already offered some positions but their application deadline has not past. Is it normal for a program to choose residents before they receive all the applications?
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Forget about USC, sounds like they would hold you there longer than most if not any residency I ever heard of. There is a study by Nash like I said if you read it it states that accoarding to them the loss of earnings and tuition is made up for over a lifetime and then you get an additional amount also! I cant convince your family thats something you will have to do but if its a financial concern show them the top 10 paying jobs on the Forbes website!
Its not unheard of. If their deadline is not up yet then I doubt they select all that they are taking before this deadline. It is not unheard of that if they really like someone or have a dental student from their own school interested that they would make them an early offer. Maybe a good idea to drop the director there a shout!
Did you get accepted to any program???
hey centric, where do u get accepted ? who all accepted at tufts uni. boston ?
I guess master programs are for US trained dentist only, becoz most of the dental schools prefer US trained dentist. for people like me, who is international dentist have very few chances. :-( this is very disappointing !
I guess master programs are for US trained dentist only, becoz most of the dental schools prefer US trained dentist. for people like me, who is international dentist have very few chances. :-( this is very disappointing !
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add UIC also....
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UF sent out acceptances today
Hi guys
Update the list by cutting and pasting the list I set up and just add the latest one so we keep the list updated!
NBDE pm me, its not necessarily true that masters programs only accept US trained dentists!
Update the list by cutting and pasting the list I set up and just add the latest one so we keep the list updated!
NBDE pm me, its not necessarily true that masters programs only accept US trained dentists!
Hey Tamtam, as a Loma Linda Alumni I would strong recommend the school and the prostho program, I met a lot of the residents during my 2 years in Loma Linda( International Dentist Program) and all have great time and treat a lot of full mouth cases and complex combination cases (Fixed, Implants,Removable). The faculty is very nice but they will make you work hard. A lot of people have second thoughts about Loma Linda because of the religion issue, they are only pick on that for the undergraduate students, they will not make you go to chapel every week. The low point its cost, very expensive school.
I am still a third year trying to decide of I want to spent 3 more years doing prosth, which I think is fascinating. Can anyone tell me which programs are considered the "best" and what are the requirements for those, meaning, GPA, Board scores...
Thanks
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Patata, I thought you told me you are taking the Maryland offer.... which one then ?
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Ya I was but my school offered me a place so the school, the city very much economical for me and come on its UCSF 
I would have gone to Maryland if it wasn't for UCSF( any other offer) and money involved. I am a FTD with a big loan and cosigner tied with me.
How about you? Rochester is it?
I would have gone to Maryland if it wasn't for UCSF( any other offer) and money involved. I am a FTD with a big loan and cosigner tied with me.
How about you? Rochester is it?
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Ya I was but my school offered me a place so the school, the city very much economical for me and come on its UCSF
I would have gone to Maryland if it wasn't for UCSF( any other offer) and money involved. I am a FTD with a big loan and cosigner tied with me.
How about you? Rochester is it?
No, I talked to one of the professors who interviewed us, he said they are not accepting girls in the program. They have been not happy with the girls in the program, he said something that the girls are not fullfilling the requirements and can't be independent in the program and dependent on other residents... I was really disappointed so it was true that they are discriminate on the gender issue there at the prostho department. I am not sure if he was just pulling my legs, but the rumour was said the same thing about the program director... if you see, only 1 girl from all 3 years residents. Last year, they didn't accepted girls, and likewise for this year...
Maybe the girls this year just were not good enough?
Maybe the guys were better candidates?
A program shouldnt just take people to balance out the gender and race etc, they should take the best candidates end of story!
Just my thought!
I would much rather go to a program that wanted me for who I am and not just because "oh we better take a woman this year" or we need to take a hispanic person" or "we better take a minority" That would be just nonsense, too much politics, and not a place that is genuinely good on prostho!
Best I would think in no particular order
Maryland
Washington
Harvard
UNC
Also heard good things about Michigan.
GPA and scores, I think maybe ask around or just straight up ask their director!!
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Now I am kind of thinking about this question, what do we do after our prostho resident? 1st, to be faculty, then how long it might take to pay back my loan? 2nd, to be a specialist practicing in private office, then we're going to meet the reference problem. So I would like to hear what you guys plan to do? I am confused now.
By the way, I also think Iowa and Rochester do have a good prostho program. and I heard some bad things about Havard.
By the way, I also think Iowa and Rochester do have a good prostho program. and I heard some bad things about Havard.
I would say I agree with you on Rochester I have heard some ok things about it, but I would disagree about Harvard. I heard the usual "all they do there is research" but thats nonsense, when I went there I couldnt believe the cases they are doing there, they have excellent outside part time faculty providing 5 day coverage and they had an excellent lab and nice group of residents doing good work. They also got a new director that has changed a lot there since he arrived (for the better) so thats why I changed my opinion after I went there, plus when I went around people seemed to mention those 4 or 5 programs as the best in the country quite a lot.
As for paying off loans, yes, I think that not just prostho but US schools in general are about to hit some very troubled waters, they cost so much to go to that when the resident or dental student finishes how can they expect them to work for starting salaries as low as 65k when the resident may owe as much as 750k! Its like a fossil fuel, finite resources left and something needs to be done about it for the sake of US schools reputation in the world I would imagine!
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Don't forget UConn also as one of your top traditional prostho programs. Now that Gerard Chiche is at MCG I would also put that at the VERY top of the list!
If you are looking for the best Surgical Prostho program San Antonio and Florida are the top
I am surprised, when I went to interview at loma Linda , they were happy that I was a girl...only girl applying...so may be it depends on the school....that's pure discrimination........as a feminist I am angry at what you were told!!!!!!!
hello all,
any news (rejection letters / interview calls or emails) for prostho 2010 from U Michigan or Iowa ???
does any one know what is the expected dates for interviews for both ?? i am forign trained student based in the middle east and would like to plan for my visit.
MANY THANKS.
any news (rejection letters / interview calls or emails) for prostho 2010 from U Michigan or Iowa ???
does any one know what is the expected dates for interviews for both ?? i am forign trained student based in the middle east and would like to plan for my visit.
MANY THANKS.
